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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on November 30, 2021, 09:45:50 AM
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Look I didn’t like the direction rap went after Pac died... before Pac died nearly ever fuccing thing out was dope... because the whole culture itself was dope so anything that came out of it was dope... you can watch any Fab 5 Freddy YO episode and it is nonstop dopeness for hours and hours and years one end...
After Pac died I didn’t like that Puff took over and Def Jam and the East Coast but it was still dope at the end of the day I mean I just resented them cause I loved the West and Death Row but at the same time Def Jam is Russel Simmons and nobody can deny his stamp on hiphop... Puff was also extended fam of Pac and Rus and part of the same energy and era even if they were rivals...
Shit got fucced up once No Limit took the crown... and still I was a fan.. still I loved the I’m Bout It album and the movie even though it was shit quality.. but by the time Cash money came around that was the first time the crown went to an entity that I couldn’t fucc wit at all... like their shit had no appeal with me and they were on top of the industry for a good number of years and fucced up the game...
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Cash Money was dope during those early years
I think Autotune and ringtone rappers really were the culprits in the 2000's
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i saw an interview the other day where klc was saying how master p told him he didn’t really need to mix the music and make it crisp, because most people didn’t have systems that would even notice the difference..he said as long as you could hear the vocals and bassline, you were good to go
it explains why a lot of that no limit shit sounded so cheap.. p gave the producers deadlines and rushed them on the mix, finished or not
i agree with the sentiment of this thread, although in retrospect, mannie fresh was an incredible producer and cash money was actually far better produced than no limit.
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i saw an interview the other day where klc was saying how master p told him he didn’t really need to mix the music and make it crisp, because most people didn’t have systems that would even notice the difference..he said as long as you could hear the vocals and bassline, you were good to go
it explains why a lot of that no limit shit sounded so cheap.. p gave the producers deadlines and rushed them on the mix, finished or not
i agree with the sentiment of this thread, although in retrospect, mannie fresh was an incredible producer and cash money was actually far better produced than no limit.
Not just no limit, Kurupts first album doesn’t play loud in my stereo, Wutangs first album, etc
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Not just no limit, Kurupts first album doesn’t play loud in my stereo, Wutangs first album, etc
wu-tang shit was poorly mixed but mastering was solid
kurupts debut i don’t remember soundin bad, but i gota check
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wu-tang shit was poorly mixed but mastering was solid
kurupts debut i don’t remember soundin bad, but i gota check
Nothing wrong with "Kuruption!". Not sure what Infinite means.
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I always say this but 2003 was when it was a wrap for commercial hip-hop for me when that crunk shit hit the scene. The A Town stomp, Bone Crucher Never Scared and Chingy Right Thur came on the scene, I just couldn't do it no more. The final nail in the coffin was when Rap City the basement got taken off the air, that was it for me, was straight underground and going back in time to rediscover shit I never heard before and it's been that way ever since
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I always say this but 2003 was when it was a wrap for commercial hip-hop for me when that crunk shit hit the scene. The A Town stomp, Bone Crucher Never Scared and Chingy Right Thur came on the scene, I just couldn't do it no more. The final nail in the coffin was when Rap City the basement got taken off the air, that was it for me, was straight underground and going back in time to rediscover shit I never heard before and it's been that way ever since
I would agree with you but remember we were still in the baggy jeans era and G Unit had their run... When it switched to tight jeans that’s when it was a wrap for me...
Nas called it in late 06’ and made it official with his timely and aptly named HipHop is Dead album
I think Lil Wayne was the one who really set off the skinny jeans era but I wouldn’t really know cause whoever did it was someone I wasn’t listening to
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That was when I stopped checking for rap. As an artform it was done. No Limits mixing was almost as bad as their "talent" hooting and hollering on the mic. After that its just been a downward slide with only people stuck in the past who ain't got shit popping now or in the future sticking with the genre.
Damn shame what they did to rap as it used to be something else. Think back to how much variety, styles and polish there was and now everyone literally bites everyone else and it sounds the same. On the flip I've heard some amazing genres outside of rap and tunes that blow my mind, just found some new stuff from Japan the other day and its all so fresh that it brings the feeling back.
You've got to expand your mind when you outgrow a genre you were raised in otherwise it holds you back with memories, like a bad relationship. End it. Quick.
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That was when I stopped checking for rap. As an artform it was done. No Limits mixing was almost as bad as their "talent" hooting and hollering on the mic. After that its just been a downward slide with only people stuck in the past who ain't got shit popping now or in the future sticking with the genre.
Damn shame what they did to rap as it used to be something else. Think back to how much variety, styles and polish there was and now everyone literally bites everyone else and it sounds the same. On the flip I've heard some amazing genres outside of rap and tunes that blow my mind, just found some new stuff from Japan the other day and its all so fresh that it brings the feeling back.
You've got to expand your mind when you outgrow a genre you were raised in otherwise it holds you back with memories, like a bad relationship. End it. Quick.
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I wouldn't expect anyone raised in privilege who spurns what his parents offered him in order to act "hood" to comprehend what evolution, growth and maturity look like. There is a reason you're hailed WOAT everywhere you go but you don't seem to see it. Hint its not because everyone else is a hater.
Run along now and be quiet.
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I wouldn't expect anyone raised in privilege who spurns what his parents offered him in order to act "hood" to comprehend what evolution, growth and maturity look like. There is a reason you're hailed WOAT everywhere you go but you don't seem to see it. Hint its not because everyone else is a hater.
Run along now and be quiet.
you say the same thing in every post
again, compare and contrast our karma.. you are the one gettin clowned here. not that internet approval means anything, but since u put such a premium on it you should take note of that before you open your pretentious mouth.
u can always leave it to a cac nerd to talk about someone “acting hood” .. i left high school without a dollar to my name. the only thing my parents ever offered me was their roof, but i hustled up enough money in my early 20s to own property and have been helping fund my parents business ventures ever since.. so all this “privilege” talk you use as a go to diss (which you stole from a norwegian cac btw) is baseless.
now back to the topic at hand, being a pretentious fuckboy who turns his nose up on a rich art form (hip-hop) under the guise of being “cultured” is exactly what i’d expect from a lonely loser like yaself.. u should also know the history of that mindset and how it’s actually based in white supremacy. but you’re a flavorless cac, so no shocker there.
which brings me to my next question.. ur so intrigued by who i am. what about u? u married? got kids? what do u do for a living?
i ask because you’re literally nameless and post as if you’re sitting in your mothers basement. please tell us a little more about yaself. i think we deserve that much.
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Cacaveli, listen. You literally walk around The Coli with a WOAT tag under your name. Are constantly clowned. Perpetually negged and generally herbed in every single thread. And its been that way for nearly a decade.
From what others have said it was the same here till ban ban as well so I can see why you'd bring that up whilst downplaying the other.
Anyway, I'm done with this. You already know what I think about you and the regressive members of this forum stuck in a past they can't forget because of a future they don't want to acknowledge.
Just thought I'd drop a few gems on em before I bounced. If you're nice I'll drop the Atmos hookup before I take a break from posting on here and you will know my name is The Engineer when I lay the beats upon thee.
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Cacaveli, listen. You literally walk around The Coli with a WOAT tag under your name. Are constantly clowned. Perpetually negged and generally herbed in every single thread. And its been that way for nearly a decade.
From what others have said it was the same here till ban ban as well so I can see why you'd bring that up whilst downplaying the other.
Anyway, I'm done with this. You already know what I think about you and the regressive members of this forum stuck in a past they can't forget because of a future they don't want to acknowledge.
Just thought I'd drop a few gems on em before I bounced. If you're nice I'll drop the Atmos hookup before I take a break from posting on here and you will know my name is The Engineer when I lay the beats upon thee.
do you know why i have a woat tag? because i defend israel with my chin up high on an anti-semitic forum. the fact that internet approval on a forum where a majority or the folks dislike non-black people means a thing to you speaks volumes. actually, the admin of the coli is the homie and fux wit me heavy. dude stickies all my music threads where the incel and militant basement dwellers that you look up to “herb” (wtf kinda redneck term is this) and even deletes/bans users who come at me wit the anti-semitic bs.
and just like i expected, you dodged literally every question i posed. typical nerd behavior, hide behind a screen casting stones while doing everything in your power to remain anonymous.
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1. The South with Jiggy Being Blinded and later Bounce Crunk shit. It also reached the whole Scene fromEast to LA & Bay (Hyphy) .
2. The misconception of Mixtapes.
On Mixtapes in early/mid 00s everybody and their Mama was rapping over Commercial mainstream beats, which were dominated by South & the Sound & it ended up to complete lose of hip-hop's variety & versatility in styles which led to mess ups and out of place projects, tracks & "Mixtapes".
It was THE PEAK when
Mannie Fresh & Mos Def Project came out.Not saying it was bad or something but what I say is: Mannie Fresh & Mos Def have/had their own individual Styles..one from the South on Bling Being & South & Mos Def from NY on some conscious rap tip.see what I mean?
Word is 50 Cents "MIXTAPES" started the MESS. Everybody on everybody "Mixtapes" = DIY Albums nowdays lol
If You want to know what a Mix tape is and should be called check out: Tony Touch, PF Cittin, Funk Flex (fuck him for dissing Makaveli but still), Tapekingz Stuff.
Mixtape: Exclusive Tracks, Freeztyles, Blends, RMXs, Scratching & Cutting..Turntablism.
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I didn't even like Diddy and Biggie and No Limit at the time. That's when rap started to go downhill for me. Even west coast rappers started sounding different in the late 90s.
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now back to the topic at hand, being a pretentious fuckboy who turns his nose up on a rich art form (hip-hop) under the guise of being “cultured” is exactly what i’d expect from a lonely loser like yaself.. u should also know the history of that mindset and how it’s actually based in white supremacy. but you’re a flavorless cac, so no shocker there.
Not sure what this is all about both sides are posturing but it's not really fair when one dude is real and puts himself out there and the other guy is just anonymous and we know nothing about him...but one thing I agree on...
...The irony of dudes on hip-hop forums calling out cats for being "immature" for loving hip-hop or even loving a particular era of hip-hop (I'm Infinite Trapped in 96') but yet the Rolling Stones are like 70 years old and they can tour the whole globe and out perform all other artists... are the Rolling Stones so much more enlightened then rappers are?? So is it okay if you are into a particular era of jazz music but not okay if you're loyal to a particular style of hip-hop??
Of course not; and I actually think this viewpoint is dying out; it was just that rap was a new genre and up until Dre took the game next level in the 90's even casual fans had thought it was a fad that was going to go out like disco. Even Too Short had a retirement party at age 29 in 1996 because the general perception was that it was a young man's sport; but now of course you see Dre still making noise even in his 50's with NWA movie, GTA, performing at the Superbowl
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https://youtu.be/Y5qKNlcUwKs
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Not sure what this is all about both sides are posturing but it's not really fair when one dude is real and puts himself out there and the other guy is just anonymous and we know nothing about him...
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and just like i expected, you dodged literally every question i posed. typical nerd behavior, hide behind a screen casting stones while doing everything in your power to remain anonymous.
dudes a throwback to the high school level dubcc posters from the 2000s era who used to ride nuts for the lulz
and he does it confidently while putting up a front of being “mature” and “cultured” .. he’s like an internet version of a dave chappelle comedy sketch. no self-awareness.
hip-hop is too immature for his extensive range in music
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The South was dope as hell. So Scarface, UGK, 3 6 Mafia, OutKast, Cee Lo, Devin the dude, Paul Wall, Mystikal, Timbaland, Pusha T, Project Pat, Trick Daddy, Peter Pablo, Missy Elliot, Juvenile, and many more
You wanna call them all wack? Nah
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The South was dope as hell. So UGK, 3 6 Mafia, Cee Lo, Paul Wall, Mystikal, Timbaland, Pusha T, Project Pat, Trick Daddy, Peter Pablo, Missy Elliot, Juvenile, and many more
You wanna call them all wack? Nah
Yes
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dudes a throwback to the high school level dubcc posters from the 2000s era who used to ride nuts for the lulz
and he does it confidently while putting up a front of being “mature” and “cultured” .. he’s like an internet version of a dave chappelle comedy sketch. no self-awareness.
hip-hop is too immature for his extensive range in music
Yes I had already read what you wrote before I posted... I’ve been taking up these type arguments ever since 2pac died and I started my freshman year of high school. Everyone was a trendy rap fan for a half year after “California Love” blew up and then Pac died and less then a year later they were suddenly enlightened now that they were freshman in high school and listening to 3-11, and rap was “nigger-shit” and then Freshman year of college they ascended to the heavens and became so Wholly Evolved that they now listened to Dave Mathews Band — so of course at such a deep level of enlightenment they understood the folly and foolishness of their youth
If I had a picture of Duke Ellington and I was like “Infinite trapped in Jazz era 1933” they would be like “he’s so eclectic” lol ;D
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The South was dope as hell. So Scarface, UGK, 3 6 Mafia, OutKast, Cee Lo, Devin the dude, Paul Wall, Mystikal, Timbaland, Pusha T, Project Pat, Trick Daddy, Peter Pablo, Missy Elliot, Juvenile, and many more
You wanna call them all wack? Nah
We're talking about this newer south sound that Nelly started
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he wrote ruined, but he meant saved...
thats the only way that makes sense.
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i can only agree because trap sub-genre invented under southern hip hop and it cost a decade already for hip hop. i want real hip-hop back without this auto tune and trap shit. enough is enough.
however like people said above, there was a period southern rappers dominated hip-hop in early 2000s and i was a fan of it also.
outkast, mystikal, ludacris, bubba sparxxx, timbaland, missy elliot, ugk, chamillonaire, young buck...
i never was a no limit fan, they were totally wack! look at snoop's first album from no limit, look at any other song produced by no limit producer existed in a snoop album. wack wack wack and it had to exist because master p wants so and i always wanted snoop to get rid of that lable.
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If artists stayed true to themselves and not followed the wave. Hip Hop would have excelled. No coast or region ruinef it. They all had their roll in it turning to shit
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The South was dope as hell. So Scarface, UGK, 3 6 Mafia, OutKast, Cee Lo, Devin the dude, Paul Wall, Mystikal, Timbaland, Pusha T, Project Pat, Trick Daddy, Peter Pablo, Missy Elliot, Juvenile, and many more
You wanna call them all wack? Nah
And I agree on that one and this is comming from a man that's original from Upstate N.Y. and started to go to the South since the 80's.
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I find it funny that so many "older folks" complain about hip-hop nowadays when there's still so much new talent out there, u just have to dig deeper and find it. But of course the new rappers ain't as good as the heroes from back in the day, cause u ain't as open and emotionally attached to them as much as u r to the older ones. It's really that simple.
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i can only agree because trap sub-genre invented under southern hip hop and it cost a decade already for hip hop. i want real hip-hop back without this auto tune and trap shit. enough is enough.
however like people said above, there was a period southern rappers dominated hip-hop in early 2000s and i was a fan of it also.
outkast, mystikal, ludacris, bubba sparxxx, timbaland, missy elliot, ugk, chamillonaire, young buck...
i never was a no limit fan, they were totally wack! look at snoop's first album from no limit, look at any other song produced by no limit producer existed in a snoop album. wack wack wack and it had to exist because master p wants so and i always wanted snoop to get rid of that lable.
Snoop really never meshed with the No Limit sound...not that they were great producers anyway but did make some beats that I enjoyed
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9MpmOz4MGg
The South gon hold it down, its a blassic bitches and epitomizes everything the South bought to the game. Mans laid the hook with the pain of 10,000 slaves in his voice and the bars were straight up magma.
Best recognize.
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I find it funny that so many "older folks" complain about hip-hop nowadays when there's still so much new talent out there, u just have to dig deeper and find it. But of course the new rappers ain't as good as the heroes from back in the day, cause u ain't as open and emotionally attached to them as much as u r to the older ones. It's really that simple.
That would be like saying that the reason people don't like the new, talented jazz artists of today is just because they old and close-minded and hanging onto their heroes of the past like Duke Ellington. Or saying that the reason folks ain't into the new talented disco artists of today is because they are still stuck in the 70's. But there was a jazz era, and jazz golden age, and disco also had its age. Shit, Bach, and Beethoven had their age.
There was a hip-hop era—and if you are too young and didn't grow up in it then you may not know it. I'm talking about just going to the mall, or going to the city, or the football game, or even at school, hip-hop was a big part of the culture in the 80's and 90's—even living where I lived in the Midwest it was palpable and pungent—and if you fortunate enough to be in Queens or such cities it was the dominant force in the life of the city.
That culture is not what it used to be.. we live in a digital, libtard, LGBQT, mask-wearing, authoritarian-loving sheep culture today. How the fucc is the hip-hop today gonna be as dope as it was in the 90's when muthafuckaz was hardcore and ran all day in the fuccin streetz?? It's not the same.
Mos Def had the greatest line in his debut when he said, "If you wanna know where hip-hop is at, ask where we are at (as a people). We think hip-hop is a giant in the hillside, but hip-hop is us, and we are hip-hop. Ask yourself, where am I at?"
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i saw an interview the other day where klc was saying how master p told him he didn’t really need to mix the music and make it crisp, because most people didn’t have systems that would even notice the difference..he said as long as you could hear the vocals and bassline, you were good to go
it explains why a lot of that no limit shit sounded so cheap.. p gave the producers deadlines and rushed them on the mix, finished or not
i agree with the sentiment of this thread, although in retrospect, mannie fresh was an incredible producer and cash money was actually far better produced than no limit.
The mixing and the sound quality of the instruments/sounds was a big criticism of mine on the No Limit releases (bar a handful of tracks) by Beat by the pound, especially when playing it back on a half decent system in the car earphones.
I just wish Snoop redid Da Game - touch up/re-do some of the beats, make some edits to the tracks (make them shorter, redo some of Snoop's vocals) etc, because there is a solid skeleton to that album, let down by the execution.
This period is when it became quantity over quality and to be honest 2Pac's influence was a fault for some of that. 2pac was able to push out the quality with that work ethic though
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Fake Mixtapes Where Everybody Rapped Over Same Beats Killed It. Beats Being Mostly Southern So Yeah.