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Title: the new west side connection album will be th biggest west album since dre 2001
Post by: Don Jacob on November 12, 2003, 11:34:27 AM
seriously this thing is getting played too much to NOT blow......hell they're even playing this on rock stations (as background music when the dj's talk,granted)


so mark my words this will either be the biggest west coast album since dre 2001 or the biggest flop since wc's album.........but never the less it's going to be tight , might even be better than the first :-X  8)
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Post by: hector on November 12, 2003, 11:38:22 AM
it won't be better than the first, I guarantee that.
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Post by: Don Seer on November 12, 2003, 11:40:54 AM
true... but i hope to hell it blows up!
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Post by: LazyLatino on November 12, 2003, 12:29:14 PM
Hell Naw it wont......
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Post by: Hatesrats™ on November 12, 2003, 01:07:03 PM

Will be the biggest record any in the WSCG had since the first..

And will outgun any-other Westcoast collab
<-----album that has yet to come out..lol


Hatesrats 2oooTre
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Post by: Adam Donnelly on November 12, 2003, 01:16:49 PM
There aint bin a buzz like this 4 a long time  8)
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Post by: Code Blue on November 12, 2003, 01:26:14 PM
I think it'll be the biggest in awhile due to the fact that they're on Rap City, Source Awards, cover of Source mag, all over the radio stations, etc...
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Post by: smerlus on November 12, 2003, 02:22:51 PM
too bad even if it does blow up, the west has little to follow it and will fall right back off the map.
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Post by: LAZY on November 12, 2003, 03:04:13 PM
i hope it blows up, cuz im hella hyped 4 this.. Run For Ur Life December 9th ;)... im spreadin shot about it at my school n shit too lol
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Post by: E. J. Rizo on November 12, 2003, 03:23:56 PM
hell yeah this shit is going to blow up its already blown up i just hope people run out and buy it tho......but thankfully its gettin alot of play and exposing heads to the west......cant fuckin wait for this shit...
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Post by: Jome on November 12, 2003, 05:59:17 PM
Yeah, I hope it sells..
Might be the best release from the West since 2001 yeah, but unfortunately that doesn't say much.
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Post by: CRAFTY on November 13, 2003, 11:12:23 AM
Yeah, I hope it sells..
Might be the best release from the West since 2001 yeah, but unfortunately that doesn't say much.

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Post by: smerlus on November 13, 2003, 11:27:49 AM
Yeah, I hope it sells..
Might be the best release from the West since 2001 yeah, but unfortunately that doesn't say much.


ya it doesn't say much to be compared to a near classic CD, too bad it can't never be like a G Unit cd  ::)
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Post by: Primo on November 13, 2003, 01:38:39 PM
it will not sell mark my word.....they were on direct effect a couple days ago too
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Post by: Jome on November 13, 2003, 09:07:28 PM
Yeah, I hope it sells..
Might be the best release from the West since 2001 yeah, but unfortunately that doesn't say much.


ya it doesn't say much to be compared to a near classic CD, too bad it can't never be like a G Unit cd  ::)

2001 was the definition of classic, if you felt the need to know.
G-Unit, no.

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Post by: SGV on November 13, 2003, 09:14:21 PM
2001 was the definition of classic? LMAO. It was hot, real good album, but it didn't define shit.
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Post by: Jome on November 13, 2003, 09:23:36 PM
2001 was the definition of classic? LMAO. It was hot, real good album, but it didn't define shit.


If 2001 didn't define the hiphop sound of the 00's, what did ??
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Post by: SGV on November 13, 2003, 09:28:44 PM



If 2001 didn't define the hiphop sound of the 00's, what did ??
First, it dropped in 99, so that was not the sound of the 2000's. Second, Blueprint is probably what defined the sound of the current time.

As for 2001, 2001 was just The Chronic, updated.
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Post by: Jome on November 13, 2003, 09:45:52 PM



If 2001 didn't define the hiphop sound of the 00's, what did ??
First, it dropped in 99, so that was not the sound of the 2000's. Second, Blueprint is probably what defined the sound of the current time.

As for 2001, 2001 was just The Chronic, updated.

First, it dropped late '99, which meant that 95% of hiphop-albums 2000->> was/is influenced by the 2001-sound.

2nd, the Blueprint sound was already "in" at the time Jay-Z started using it, he just took it to another level, and made more or less a whole album with that theme.
Many people credit Lil Fame's "Cold as Ice" for this sound..

2001-influence can be heard in just about every hiphop album, and the Dre-clones are everywhere.
2001 had a totally different sound than The Chronic, even though it recaptured some of that magic feeling.

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Post by: SGV on November 13, 2003, 09:56:10 PM


First, it dropped late '99, which meant that 95% of hiphop-albums 2000->> was/is influenced by the 2001-sound.

2nd, the Blueprint sound was already "in" at the time Jay-Z started using it, he just took it to another level, and made more or less a whole album with that theme.
Many people credit Lil Fame's "Cold as Ice" for this sound..

2001-influence can be heard in just about every hiphop album, and the Dre-clones are everywhere.
2001 had a totally different sound than The Chronic, even though it recaptured some of that magic feeling.


To define an era, it has to be in the era. Straight Outta Compton didn't define the sound of the 90s because it dropped in the 80s.

And, please, Lil Fame was not the first person to use sped-up voice samples. LMAO. Blueprint made it a fashion to use sped-up voice samples, and you hear everyone doing it now.
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Post by: Jome on November 13, 2003, 10:04:35 PM

To define an era, it has to be in the era. Straight Outta Compton didn't define the sound of the 90s because it dropped in the 80s.

And, please, Lil Fame was not the first person to use sped-up voice samples. LMAO. Blueprint made it a fashion to use sped-up voice samples, and you hear everyone doing it now.

Wether 2001 was released in December 1999 or January 2000 makes no difference, 2000 and forward is where it's influence is shown, how the fuck can 2001 influence the 90's when it's released December 1999 ?? LMAO

"Cold as Ice" was the success that made everybody use oleskoo-samples, when even the grimeyest/hardcore underground cats could get their video on MTV, everybody followed their lead.

"Blueprint made it a fashion to use sped-up voice samples"

Yeah, that's what I said, Blueprint took it to another level.
But it DID NOT invent it or break new ground.
If you hear more Blueprint-influence in todays albums than 2001 influence, you must be listening to The Diplomats or something, that's where you can find more oldschool (samples) than in your mamas LP-collection.

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Post by: SGV on November 13, 2003, 10:17:40 PM


Wether 2001 was released in December 1999 or January 2000 makes no difference, 2000 and forward is where it's influence is shown, how the fuck can 2001 influence the 90's when it's released December 1999 ?? LMAO

"Cold as Ice" was the success that made everybody use oleskoo-samples, when even the grimeyest/hardcore underground cats could get their video on MTV, everybody followed their lead.

"Blueprint made it a fashion to use sped-up voice samples"

Yeah, that's what I said, Blueprint took it to another level.
But it DID NOT invent it or break new ground.
If you hear more Blueprint-influence in todays albums than 2001 influence, you must be listening to The Diplomats or something, that's where you can find more oldschool (samples) than in your mamas LP-collection.


2001 may have influenced the sound in the 2000s, but it didn't define the sound. Did Parliment define G-Funk? No. But, it influenced it.

LMAO. Yea, I'm sure everyone seen how successful M.O.P. was with "Cold As Ice." Due, really. If you think that M.O.P. made it big, or really got their shine off that single, you're kidding yourself. "Ante Up," got them their fame, shine and recognition, not "Cold As Ice."

If Blueprint didn't break new ground, what new ground did 2001 break?

Oh and Jome. You can hear the sound Blueprint made popular in The Alchemist, Saigon, Cunninlynguists, Eminem, Diplomats, Mack 10/Da Hood and more.
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Post by: Tha_Reverend on November 13, 2003, 10:31:38 PM
Jome, you're waisting your breath here.  It is no mystery that our wonderful friend SGV here, is THE biggest Dre hater any of us have ever seen.  he will try and try again to steal any credit from Dre.  and that's ok.  it's his opinion.  but Dre is on top and becuase of that he gets shot at.  


and I'm surpised that you even argue,  cuase you the biggest Jigga groupee here too. lol.. stop fighting children please.




 8) 8) 8)
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Post by: Jome on November 13, 2003, 10:32:27 PM

LMAO. Yea, I'm sure everyone seen how successful M.O.P. was with "Cold As Ice." Due, really. If you think that M.O.P. made it big, or really got their shine off that single, you're kidding yourself. "Ante Up," got them their fame, shine and recognition, not "Cold As Ice."

If Blueprint didn't break new ground, what new ground did 2001 break?

Oh and Jome. You can hear the sound Blueprint made popular in The Alchemist, Saigon, Cunninlynguists, Eminem, Diplomats, Mack 10/Da Hood and more.

Lol, more or less invalid points.

Alchemist produces for Saigon, and Alchemist used that sound a long time before Kanye West & Just Blaze did, but not with the same soundscan numbers.
I thought you would know this, with you being heavy into the underground and all ?

Eminem is the second worst example, he uses 200 times more Dre-influenced beats than Blueprint-influenced.
Take any Eminem-beat, and spot the 2001-bass, kicks and drums right away. Bingo.

The Diplomats (thank you for repeating my point  ;)) is the biggest example of Blueprint-influence, in other words: The Heatmakerz.
They're a parody on The Blueprint, and how big can you really say that The Diplomats are ??
Except from on SOHH, they have made no impact at all.


And the last and worst of your horrible examples: Mack 10/Da Hood.. ROFL
Da Hood was mainly produced by Young Trey, which again is a total ripoff off who.. ??
Yeah, that's right, Dr.Dre !!!!
Who's next on your list, Scott Storch and Fredwreck ?

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Post by: Jome on November 13, 2003, 10:35:10 PM
Jome, you're waisting your breath here.  It is no mystery that our wonderful friend SGV here, is THE biggest Dre hater any of us have ever seen.  he will try and try again to steal any credit from Dre.  and that's ok.  it's his opinion.  but Dre is on top and becuase of that he gets shot at.  


and I'm surpised that you even argue,  cuase you the biggest Jigga groupee here too. lol.. stop fighting children please.


Yeah, true.
But it's funny to see SGV argue the fact that Dre is the biggest influence in hiphop by using Dre-clones as examples on the opposite...  ;D ;D ;D

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Post by: SGV on November 13, 2003, 11:04:03 PM


Lol, more or less invalid points.(LMAO.)

Alchemist produces for Saigon, and Alchemist used that sound a long time before Kanye West & Just Blaze did, but not with the same soundscan numbers.
I thought you would know this, with you being heavy into the underground and all ?(Alchemist has used the sound, and so have many people, Kanye and Just Bleezy didn't invent it, they made it popular. They made it a standard in Hip Hop. Just like Ice-T didn't create Gangsta Rap, he made into a standard.)

Eminem is the second worst example, he uses 200 times more Dre-influenced beats than Blueprint-influenced.
Take any Eminem-beat, and spot the 2001-bass, kicks and drums right away. Bingo.(Em was taught by Dre, what do you expect. But, I've never seen Em get props like he is for "Runnin." That's a Kanye stlye beat.)

The Diplomats (thank you for repeating my point  ;)) is the biggest example of Blueprint-influence, in other words: The Heatmakerz.
They're a parody on The Blueprint, and how big can you really say that The Diplomats are ??
Except from on SOHH, they have made no impact at all.(I'm starting to see the Dipset movement get a lot bigger. It's not just SOHH. People are digging their tapes, digging their style, too. Pink is becoming more and more a fashion.)


And the last and worst of your horrible examples: Mack 10/Da Hood.. ROFL
Da Hood was mainly produced by Young Trey, which again is a total ripoff off who.. ??
Yeah, that's right, Dr.Dre !!!!(If the track I'm thinking about was produced by Young Trey, then I'm sorry, you're wrong.)
Who's next on your list, Scott Storch and Fredwreck ?



Put it this way.

Swizz Beats
Alchemist
Ayatollah
Eminem
Kanye West
Just Blaze

All pretty big name producers using the same sound at one time or another.

Let's see who uses Dre's sound.

Young Trey, outside of Cali, who is he?
Eminem, granted.
Fred Wreck, outside of Cali, who is he?
Scott Storch, Dre's musician, so really, how is he Dre's clone?
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Post by: Don Jacob on November 14, 2003, 12:31:49 AM
although this is going mad off topic, i got to defend my man jome here


i don't know where the fuck you get the blueprint being more influencial to modern day hip hop than 2001......


first off havn't you noticed that many songs (hit songs at that) have used similar note timing schemes as the next episode?

blueprint is lyrically influencial if anything.....the blueprint really didn't bring ALL THAT much to hip hop production that wasn't already dabbled in .
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Post by: SGV on November 14, 2003, 08:23:58 AM
first off havn't you noticed that many songs (hit songs at that) have used similar note timing schemes as the next episode?

blueprint is lyrically influencial if anything.....the blueprint really didn't bring ALL THAT much to hip hop production that wasn't already dabbled in .
If you put it that way, then credit Rockwilder for using the sample pretty much the same way, first. And, that would mean 2001 didn't bring ALL THAT much to hip hop production that wasn't already dabbled in.
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Post by: Lil Jay on November 14, 2003, 08:37:51 AM
why do you guys make it so complex, its easy to see that Dre influenced so many artists in music with the 2001 album. Pick any album, you can easily tell its Dre influenced, and there is nothing you can change about it.
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Post by: Jome on November 14, 2003, 09:49:25 AM
why do you guys make it so complex, its easy to see that Dre influenced so many artists in music with the 2001 album. Pick any album, you can easily tell its Dre influenced, and there is nothing you can change about it.


SGV is in denial. BIG TIME !!  ;D
Blinded by hate.
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Post by: SGV on November 14, 2003, 09:53:21 AM


SGV is in denial. BIG TIME !!  ;D
Blinded by hate.
I don't see any hate in these pots about 2001 or Dre for that matter. You're out of things to say, so you bring up the "hate card." Simple thing to do, but proves you're wrong. Once you leave the arguement and personalize it, you've ran out of shit to say. I've gave examples, reasons, debated them and I haven't brought up on "dickriding" comment, yet you insist on bringing up "hating" comments. It's coo man. Call it day, you've lost again.

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Post by: Jome on November 14, 2003, 10:02:13 AM


SGV is in denial. BIG TIME !!  ;D
Blinded by hate.
I don't see any hate in these pots about 2001 or Dre for that matter. You're out of things to say, so you bring up the "hate card." Simple thing to do, but proves you're wrong. Once you leave the arguement and personalize it, you've ran out of shit to say. I've gave examples, reasons, debated them and I haven't brought up on "dickriding" comment, yet you insist on bringing up "hating" comments. It's coo man. Call it day, you've lost again.



You gave examples of people influenced by Blueprint, by bringing up Dre-proteges and carbon copies.. great..  ;)

95-98% of hiphop albums is influenced by 2001, and you try to dismiss it in every single possible way.
Bringing up horrible examples doesn't help the case.
2001 even influenced a LOT of todays pop and r'n'b-music, don't even get me started.
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Post by: SGV on November 14, 2003, 10:04:59 AM

You gave examples of people influenced by Blueprint, by bringing up Dre-proteges and carbon copies.. great..  ;)

95-98% of hiphop albums is influenced by 2001, and you try to dismiss it in every single possible way.
Bringing up horrible examples doesn't help the case.
2001 even influenced a LOT of todays pop and r'n'b-music, don't even get me started.

Your right Jome.



Put it this way.

Swizz Beats
Alchemist
Ayatollah
Eminem
Kanye West
Just Blaze

All are Dre clones/carbon copies/proteges. It's amazing.

All pretty big name producers using the same sound at one time or another.

Let's see who uses Dre's sound.

Young Trey, outside of Cali, who is he?
Eminem, granted.
Fred Wreck, outside of Cali, who is he?
Scott Storch, Dre's musician, so really, how is he Dre's clone?
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Post by: Jome on November 14, 2003, 10:19:41 AM

Your right Jome.



Put it this way.

Swizz Beats
Alchemist
Ayatollah
Eminem
Kanye West
Just Blaze

All are Dre clones/carbon copies/proteges. It's amazing.

All pretty big name producers using the same sound at one time or another.

Let's see who uses Dre's sound.

Young Trey, outside of Cali, who is he?
Eminem, granted.
Fred Wreck, outside of Cali, who is he?
Scott Storch, Dre's musician, so really, how is he Dre's clone?

Scratch Kanye and Just Blaze off your list, they PRODUCED The Blueprint.
Scratch Eminem off your list, 99% of his beats are Dre-clones.
Scratch Alchemist off your list, he used that sound LONG before Kanye & Just did.
Scratch Ayatollah off your list, he used that sound LONG before Kanye & Just did.
Swizz Beatz, yeah, so what.. he's using whatever is popular at the time.
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Post by: SGV on November 14, 2003, 10:22:37 AM

Scratch Kanye and Just Blaze off your list, they PRODUCED The Blueprint.
Scratch Eminem off your list, 99% of his beats are Dre-clones.
Scratch Alchemist off your list, he used that sound LONG before Kanye & Just did.
Scratch Ayatollah off your list, he used that sound LONG before Kanye & Just did.
Swizz Beatz, yeah, so what.. he's using whatever is popular at the time.

They all use the same sound, the Blueprint sound. Kanye and Just Blaze made it popular, and now everyone uses it regularly.

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Post by: smerlus on November 14, 2003, 12:01:11 PM
i'd hate to say it but jome is right on this one. the blueprint hasn't changed shit in rap because it has the same generic sound as every other cd around that time before and after that...

plus you're comparing the work of about 2-5 different producers to the production skills of one man. of course 2-5 people are going to influence a little bit more than just one person, but the people dre influences equals sales.... i bet if you ask anyone in the industry it they's want a free Dre beat or a free Just Blaze beat. they'd pic dre's sound over any other producer

also can't believe you had the audacity to say eminem isn't a dre protoge when it comes to production  ::)
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Post by: SGV on November 14, 2003, 01:45:39 PM
i'd hate to say it but jome is right on this one. the blueprint hasn't changed shit in rap because it has the same generic sound as every other cd around that time before and after that...

plus you're comparing the work of about 2-5 different producers to the production skills of one man. of course 2-5 people are going to influence a little bit more than just one person, but the people dre influences equals sales.... i bet if you ask anyone in the industry it they's want a free Dre beat or a free Just Blaze beat. they'd pic dre's sound over any other producer
Dre, Mel Man and homie from DITC(Granted, only one track) were producers on 2001. ;) Mel Man was the co-producer, so it was more like the production skills of two men.

also can't believe you had the audacity to say eminem isn't a dre protoge when it comes to production  ::)
BTW, moron, I never said Em wasn't Dre's protege. Look below.
Take any Eminem-beat, and spot the 2001-bass, kicks and drums right away. Bingo.(Em was taught by Dre, what do you expect. But, I've never seen Em get props like he is for "Runnin." That's a Kanye stlye beat.)
Let's see who uses Dre's sound.
Eminem, granted.
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Post by: Don Seer on November 14, 2003, 01:47:30 PM
Eminem was producing before he even hooked up with Dre.. but yes there is an obvious influence (same ghostproducers? ahahaha)
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Post by: smerlus on November 14, 2003, 02:08:16 PM
well SGV do you ever read what you write over again? you also listed eminem as a non dre protege....which is pretty far from the truth


plus didn't you go on to say as soon as you resort to name calling you lose the arguement? well consider yourself the loser then...
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Post by: Gangsta_T on November 14, 2003, 02:33:24 PM
here's my opinion..

to me the blueprint nor 2001 changed shit in hiphop..
the only thing that is gettin played these days is
def jam music ! neptunes produced shit or timbaland shit...

def jam is the only influence...


oh yea back to topic...
i definitly want that shit to sell !!!

i just hope they got a 2nd dope ass single to hit the world
after gangsta nations...
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Post by: LyRiCaL_G on November 14, 2003, 03:06:56 PM
Niggaz fuck u, d12 changed hip hop period, fo real! haha, jus playin, nah 2001 def set a blueprint fo nuff producers in todays world,old and new producers , blueprint didnt, i can see what y'all sayin........but all these cats dres infleunced with that sound aint comin with the same heat as him........eminems imitation of it is jus sad, its so borin.........only mel-man can and scott storch can say they can producer beats on dres level with that sound...............

kayne west and just blaze gotta thing gwarnin fo them now to no doubt................but when ya talkin about infuence................2001 walks over blueprint infleunce wise..............niggaz be usin them beats today fo some of they biggest hits...............sean paul n cantrell being the latest.....

peace
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Post by: lbc213 on November 14, 2003, 03:32:17 PM
*just heard gangsta nation on the radio (belgium), cant believe it* Looks good.
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Post by: SGV on November 14, 2003, 03:37:05 PM
well SGV do you ever read what you write over again? you also listed eminem as a non dre protege....which is pretty far from the truth


plus didn't you go on to say as soon as you resort to name calling you lose the arguement? well consider yourself the loser then...
LMAO. You made up an arguement that held no weight, I proved it wrong before I even called you a moron, after which I was justified.
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Post by: smerlus on November 14, 2003, 03:42:11 PM
how'd you prove me wrong clown? a producer can't be two things? that's like saying damizza is a dj quik protege and a timbaland protege? eminem has never made some wack ass poppy beat sampling a broadway tune like those other producers you've named...

anyways you lost....i won....you're a clown and need to learn to reread what they write cause you try and hop on both sides of the line
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Post by: SGV on November 14, 2003, 03:44:09 PM
how'd you prove me wrong clown? a producer can't be two things? that's like saying damizza is a dj quik protege and a timbaland protege? eminem has never made some wack ass poppy beat sampling a broadway tune like those other producers you've named...

anyways you lost....i won....you're a clown and need to learn to reread what they write cause you try and hop on both sides of the line
ALL ARE BIG NAME PRODUCERS USING THE SAME SOUND AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER.

That's saying Eminem has used the same sound at one time, ex "Runnin'."

So, again....
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Post by: smerlus on November 14, 2003, 03:50:33 PM
ok if you can get this question right, i'll say you're the better man....but first a quick english lesson

protege

n : a person who receives support and protection from an influential patron who furthers the protege's career.

dre has furthered eminem's career....

how has the other 10 producers that have nothing to do with eminem furthered his career?

you can't deny that eminem's beat aren't factors of dre's teaching....they're not poppy, they're not all dance clubbing happy music......so how is he more like the other producers like you said?


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Post by: SGV on November 14, 2003, 03:56:10 PM
ok if you can get this question right, i'll say you're the better man....but first a quick english lesson

protege

n : a person who receives support and protection from an influential patron who furthers the protege's career.

dre has furthered eminem's career....

how has the other 10 producers that have nothing to do with eminem furthered his career?

you can't deny that eminem's beat aren't factors of dre's teaching....they're not poppy, they're not all dance clubbing happy music......so how is he more like the other producers like you said?



I already said Em was taught by Dre, go up and read that. I also said Em has used the Blueprint sound at one time or another, and that's on "Runnin'." I never said he was Kanyes protege, or Just Blaze's etc., I said he used their sound AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER. His most popular beat is a Blueprint styled beat.
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Post by: Tha_Reverend on November 14, 2003, 05:57:14 PM
LMAO you guys are fighting over OPINIONS!! hhahaha.  you fools.  to each man his own.  SGV likes the Blue Print  production better.  ALOT of peeps feel Dre's 2001.  


now, for my OPINION.  

around here (the steets or SD and outside SD) peeps everywhere are doing more freestyles to Dre's 2001 beats, doing more production to 2001 beats, and more sampleing from 2001 beats.  the album may not be a classic, but it is LEGENDARY.  it sold so fucking much.. it reached so many people.  it's not every day that someone pops up and says, HEY that sounds like a just blaze beat. or WOW you can tell that's Kanye West.  nope sorry.  ain't happenin around here. if you ain't a real hip hop head, you don't know shit about about Just Blaze or Kanye or any other producer.  DRE is a universal name.  every body can spot a dre beat. My dad, one of the whitest peeps ever that loves folk music knows the name DR DRE.  and can even pick up on the sound.  Dre ain't on the top for nuthin.  we can hate and hate on him as much as we want. but he's on top cuase he the best.  


peace
Title: Re:the new west side connection album will be th biggest west album since dre 20
Post by: Doggystylin on November 14, 2003, 08:58:17 PM
this is definitley entertaining
Title: Re:the new west side connection album will be th biggest west album since dre 20
Post by: Don Jacob on November 14, 2003, 11:05:37 PM
first off havn't you noticed that many songs (hit songs at that) have used similar note timing schemes as the next episode?

blueprint is lyrically influencial if anything.....the blueprint really didn't bring ALL THAT much to hip hop production that wasn't already dabbled in .
If you put it that way, then credit Rockwilder for using the sample pretty much the same way, first. And, that would mean 2001 didn't bring ALL THAT much to hip hop production that wasn't already dabbled in.


huh? rockwilder's sound pre 2001 has no corilation with 2001's sound ......you OBVIOUSLY don't know crap about rap production to say something like that.
Title: Re:the new west side connection album will be th biggest west album since dre 20
Post by: SGV on November 14, 2003, 11:09:18 PM


huh? rockwilder's sound pre 2001 has no corilation with 2001's sound ......you OBVIOUSLY don't know crap about rap production to say something like that.
Obviously you don't know the song I'm talking about....
Title: Re:the new west side connection album will be th biggest west album since dre 20
Post by: teecee on November 15, 2003, 12:18:23 PM
Much as i hate to agree with SGV, Blueprint has been a pretty influential album. Sure, it did not bring in the sped-up soul samples (ghostface rocked those long b4) but it popularized them and made them the thing to do.  

However, the influence of 2001 is much stronger.  peace
Title: Re:the new west side connection album will be th biggest west album since dre 20
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on November 16, 2003, 12:45:13 AM
I'm sorry, but after "2001" came out, every beat in Hip-Hop started to have the same sound Dre created for that album...Now I'm awaiting the new sound "Detox" will hopefully bring...And there's no doubt in my mind that if it is big, it will be imitated...PeACe
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Post by: mauzip on November 16, 2003, 12:55:32 AM
I'm sorry, but after "2001" came out, every beat in Hip-Hop started to have the same sound Dre created for that album...Now I'm awaiting the new sound "Detox" will hopefully bring...And there's no doubt in my mind that if it is big, it will be imitated...PeACe

Yep. LMAO@blueprint being a bigger influence than 2001 ;D
Title: Re:the new west side connection album will be th biggest west album since dre 20
Post by: TobyTizzle on November 16, 2003, 01:08:34 AM
And for the record, Fred Wreck isnt really a nobody outside of the West anymore...

I mean he produced songs for Obie Trice and Loon's debut cds, both pretty big non-west coast releases

Im going with 2001 with this argument, that album and its sound is all over hip hop.

Oh and, umm, yeah, WSCG, right on...lol
Title: Re:the new west side connection album will be th biggest west album since dre 20
Post by: Jome on November 17, 2003, 06:00:52 PM
Hey Smerlus, thanks for babysitting SGV while I was gone..
I'm back now, but I'll give you the honor of arguing with the wall from now on..  ;D
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Post by: smerlus on November 17, 2003, 06:28:52 PM
then maybe......just maybe can i be an admin of a website about american hip hop culture just like you?  :o
Title: Re:the new west side connection album will be th biggest west album since dre 20
Post by: Jome on November 17, 2003, 08:08:49 PM
then maybe......just maybe can i be an admin of a website about american hip hop culture just like you?  :o


I am.. ??
That's news to me.
Title: Re:the new west side connection album will be th biggest west album since dre 20
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on November 17, 2003, 09:11:12 PM
Just because he locks more threads than all the mods combined, doesn't mean he's admin...LoL
Title: Re:the new west side connection album will be th biggest west album since dre 20
Post by: Mikey_Yayo on November 17, 2003, 09:20:26 PM

LMAO. Yea, I'm sure everyone seen how successful M.O.P. was with "Cold As Ice." Due, really. If you think that M.O.P. made it big, or really got their shine off that single, you're kidding yourself. "Ante Up," got them their fame, shine and recognition, not "Cold As Ice."

If Blueprint didn't break new ground, what new ground did 2001 break?

Oh and Jome. You can hear the sound Blueprint made popular in The Alchemist, Saigon, Cunninlynguists, Eminem, Diplomats, Mack 10/Da Hood and more.

Lol, more or less invalid points.

Alchemist produces for Saigon, and Alchemist used that sound a long time before Kanye West & Just Blaze did, but not with the same soundscan numbers.
I thought you would know this, with you being heavy into the underground and all ?

Eminem is the second worst example, he uses 200 times more Dre-influenced beats than Blueprint-influenced.
Take any Eminem-beat, and spot the 2001-bass, kicks and drums right away. Bingo.

The Diplomats (thank you for repeating my point  ;)) is the biggest example of Blueprint-influence, in other words: The Heatmakerz.
They're a parody on The Blueprint, and how big can you really say that The Diplomats are ??
Except from on SOHH, they have made no impact at all.


And the last and worst of your horrible examples: Mack 10/Da Hood.. ROFL
Da Hood was mainly produced by Young Trey, which again is a total ripoff off who.. ??
Yeah, that's right, Dr.Dre !!!!
Who's next on your list, Scott Storch and Fredwreck ?




any feelings that the diplomats have left this game any better than it was before they showed up on the seen are laffable. They are a joke. Lyrically <with the exception of killa cam when he isnt being a lazy ass> they are pathetic. Has anyone ever listened closely to the lyrics of Juelz Santana's most popular songs. No wonder jay-z is quitting.

The blueprint's tenicles run deep into east coast rap now and its a sad thing because no one is coming close to what the original did.
Title: Re:the new west side connection album will be th biggest west album since dre 20
Post by: Jome on November 17, 2003, 09:25:40 PM
Just because he locks more threads than all the mods combined, doesn't mean he's admin...LoL



I haven't locked a thread since your confident "I'm leaving, WILL NOT POST ANY MORE, only checking threads, bitches"-post.




Title: Re:the new west side connection album will be th biggest west album since dre 20
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on November 17, 2003, 09:34:38 PM
Just because he locks more threads than all the mods combined, doesn't mean he's admin...LoL



I haven't locked a thread since your confident "I'm leaving, WILL NOT POST ANY MORE, only checking threads, bitches"-post.








Ummm, those threads were about a year ago...As you've noticed, I've only recently returned from a full year break...I'm willing to bet my life that's more than you could EVER do...
Title: Re:the new west side connection album will be th biggest west album since dre 20
Post by: Jome on November 17, 2003, 09:38:19 PM
Just because he locks more threads than all the mods combined, doesn't mean he's admin...LoL



I haven't locked a thread since your confident "I'm leaving, WILL NOT POST ANY MORE, only checking threads, bitches"-post.








Ummm, those threads were about a year ago...As you've noticed, I've only recently returned from a full year break...I'm willing to bet my life that's more than you could EVER do...


I would take a bet on it, but I'm not known for using aliases.
Title: Re:the new west side connection album will be th biggest west album since dre 20
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on November 17, 2003, 09:44:38 PM
Just because he locks more threads than all the mods combined, doesn't mean he's admin...LoL



I haven't locked a thread since your confident "I'm leaving, WILL NOT POST ANY MORE, only checking threads, bitches"-post.








Ummm, those threads were about a year ago...As you've noticed, I've only recently returned from a full year break...I'm willing to bet my life that's more than you could EVER do...


I would take a bet on it, but I'm not known for using aliases.



Ok, and what aliases have I used, smart guy?...If you can prove to WCC that I have been mysteriously using aliases, than I will send you a check for $5,000 in the mail...



Exactly Jomo, you can't...Now quit making false accusations...PeACe
Title: Re:the new west side connection album will be th biggest west album since dre 20
Post by: Jome on November 17, 2003, 10:21:48 PM
Just because he locks more threads than all the mods combined, doesn't mean he's admin...LoL



I haven't locked a thread since your confident "I'm leaving, WILL NOT POST ANY MORE, only checking threads, bitches"-post.








Ummm, those threads were about a year ago...As you've noticed, I've only recently returned from a full year break...I'm willing to bet my life that's more than you could EVER do...


I would take a bet on it, but I'm not known for using aliases.



Ok, and what aliases have I used, smart guy?...If you can prove to WCC that I have been mysteriously using aliases, than I will send you a check for $5,000 in the mail...



Exactly Jomo, you can't...Now quit making false accusations...PeACe


I never claimed it, I was just suggesting it.
Most people would agree.

Title: Re:the new west side connection album will be th biggest west album since dre 20
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on November 17, 2003, 10:35:21 PM
Just because he locks more threads than all the mods combined, doesn't mean he's admin...LoL



I haven't locked a thread since your confident "I'm leaving, WILL NOT POST ANY MORE, only checking threads, bitches"-post.








Ummm, those threads were about a year ago...As you've noticed, I've only recently returned from a full year break...I'm willing to bet my life that's more than you could EVER do...


I would take a bet on it, but I'm not known for using aliases.



Ok, and what aliases have I used, smart guy?...If you can prove to WCC that I have been mysteriously using aliases, than I will send you a check for $5,000 in the mail...



Exactly Jomo, you can't...Now quit making false accusations...PeACe


I never claimed it, I was just suggesting it.
Most people would agree.



Most people would agree?...Okay, get me a list of these so-called "most people," and next to their name, give me a sentance or two on why they think I've used aliases on this board...If you can't do that, then don't reply...Thank you, and have a nice day.
Title: Re:the new west side connection album will be th biggest west album since dre 20
Post by: smerlus on November 18, 2003, 12:52:17 AM
i wouldn't agree  ;D so far you're losing jomo 2 to 1
Title: Re:the new west side connection album will be th biggest west album since dre 20
Post by: Don Breezio on November 18, 2003, 12:55:44 AM
lol i think you're gonna lose this one SGV
Title: Re:the new west side connection album will be th biggest west album since dre 20
Post by: Jome on November 18, 2003, 07:32:15 PM

Okay, get me a list of these so-called "most people," and next to their name, give me a sentance or two on why they think I've used aliases on this board..

Okay, Scitt Ebert.... one of your 37524th aliases.
As soon as you get banned you "mysteriously" change name on one of the accounts to something with NIK or Scitt in it..
For all we know, you probably got 100s more, it's just up to you wether you'll reveal your ID or not..

You just can't stay away, can you.. ?

And of course you wouldn't agree Smerlus, NIK had 100's of aliases, and you haven't even spotted one of them ?? dumbass.