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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: KURUPTION-81 on November 18, 2003, 10:42:33 AM
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JACKSON RANCH SEARCH
Police are searching pop star Michael Jackson's Neverland ranch after allegations of sexual abuse by a 12-year-old boy, according to reports.
Authorities said the search related to a criminal investigation. Dozens of uniformed officers are searching the site.
It was not clear whether the singer was at home.
Police did not specify the nature of the investigation but US cable channel Court TV reported that the search warrant stemmed from allegations of sexual abuse by the 12-year-old.
A sheriff's spokesman confirmed a search warrant had been executed at the 45-year-old musician's sprawling home in the Santa Ynez Valley outside Santa Barbara, two hours north of Los Angeles.
The Santa Barbara County District Attorney's office was also involved in the action.
Jackson's spokesman, Stuart Backerman, did not answer phone calls and did not immediately return messages.
The allegations come nine years after a 14-year-old reached an out-of-court agreement to settle a lawsuit accusing the singer of molesting him in 1992.
No criminal charges were ever brought in that case.
The search comes on the same day Epic Records released Number Ones - a greatest hits collection featuring Jackson's new single, One More Chance.
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i hope they find nothing, it wouldnt suprise me if it was someone just trying to get money out of mj.
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Face it.....MJ is a child molester[little boys] :-X
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rofl...now that would be some funny ass shit
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that would be hilarious, but i hope they dont find anything on mj. his life is fucked up enough
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LOL, that would have been the biggest of the stunts they have pulled so far..
Must have leased 20 policecars or something, and aired on TV all over the world.. ;D
Really though.. first he pays mills. of $ to avoid a lawsuit and now another big razzia..
Something's fishy....
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Well, we don't know much yet, but apparently they're going to arrest Michael and charge him with child molestation. He never had charges before, but this time they're actually going to arrest him. I haven't heard many details, so I can't speculate on most of it, but here's just some random thoughts that popped out at me.
1. Why do this the same day his album is released? A Little too strange to be coincidence in my book. Johnnie Cochrane is no longer MJ's attorney, but on Larry King Live tonight, he stated that he thought it was no coincidence. They said it is part of an 'ongoing investigation' that has been taking place for 2 months, so why drop the hammer the day his album is released? Kind of makes you think maybe something else is going on.
2. 60-70 police officers. Why? If normal joe blow had done something, 5 police officers would show up to search the house. Even a big mansion doesn't require 70 people. Why all the fanfare?
3. Why all the publicity? They're holding a press conference tommorow. Why? Since when does the D.A. hold a press conference when they arrest a child molestor? Again, kind of makes you wonder.
4. Child molestors abuse again and again and again, it's like sex to them, they do it as much as possible. Michael has dozens of kids by his house every week, from schools, from hospitals, etc.... in my mind, if he was a child molestor, he would have had dozens of children identify him by now. Even when the other boy accused him, nobody came forward saying he abused them too.
5. The first case has absolutely no bearing on this one, because anybody familiar with the evidence knows that there were tapes of the boy's father admitting he framed michael for money, but they were inadmissable in court since he wasn't aware he was being taped. So while the general public will assume with 2 accusations he must be a molestor, if you know the evidence, you know the entire first case was fabricated by the boy's father.
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4. Child molestors abuse again and again and again, it's like sex to them, they do it as much as possible. Michael has dozens of kids by his house every week, from schools, from hospitals, etc.... in my mind, if he was a child molestor, he would have had dozens of children identify him by now. Even when the other boy accused him, nobody came forward saying he abused them too.
5. The first case has absolutely no bearing on this one, because anybody familiar with the evidence knows that there were tapes of the boy's father admitting he framed michael for money, but they were inadmissable in court since he wasn't aware he was being taped. So while the general public will assume with 2 accusations he must be a molestor, if you know the evidence, you know the entire first case was fabricated by the boy's father.
it does seem fishy but by your logic these 2 things could go either way...its true molesters do it repeatedly but then again...the first one as you said wasnt even true so its still possible this is true...it just may be the first time...or maybe he's just good at finding the gay little boys who enjoy it ???
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Face it.....MJ is a child molester[little boys] :-X
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2. 60-70 police officers. Why? If normal joe blow had done something, 5 police officers would show up to search the house. Even a big mansion doesn't require 70 people. Why all the fanfare?
3. Why all the publicity? They're holding a press conference tommorow. Why? Since when does the D.A. hold a press conference when they arrest a child molestor? Again, kind of makes you wonder.
i can answer that. because its michael jackson. its goin handled different. is it fair on michaels part, no. but that is how it is. these are the negatives that come with bein a celeb
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what are they searching for?
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Hmm, kinda fishy yeah.. maybe MJ hired 50 rent-a-cop's to promote his new album.. lol
I guess we'll know tomorrow..
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Poor MJ
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If MJ is innocent, I feel so fucking sorry for him. If he did it, I hope he burns in hell. I'm a fan until the day he gets shipped off to jail tho.
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I think its all just a publicity stunt to look hard. he is goin the 50 cent route, but he don't wanna get shot. so he just had all those cops go to his house and arrest him and shit.
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you mean he's an attention whore?
i dont think on this kind of issue... (but he certainly has in the past)
i hope to god this isnt true.. i thought the 'wacko jacko' stuff has kinda died off lately, and more attempts have been made to understand him...
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Poor MJ
what ? ???
im sorry but i really think he is a paedophile, here's a quote from the paper i was reading this morning:
"A man in his 40's does not surround himself with boys, allow the boys to sleep in the same bed in their underwear. He is either commiitting a criminal offence or he should seek out treatment and admit i may have a problem here" !!
spot on !! any normal bloke wouldnt associate himself with children to the extent that michael jackson has. something here aint right, its not normal to have young boys sleeping in your feckin bed !! the sooner they find evidence against him the better IMO, there is too much of this child abuse going on nowerdays !!
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sadly i dont think theres anymore or less than there have ever been, what has happened is that people are more aware of it.
what happened to innocent until proven guilty?
and does he only share with his own kids?
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what happened to innocent until proven guilty?
thats true BUT the fact is that when you hear that he has had young boys sleeping in his bed people will think he's a paedophile cuz its just not normal for grown men to do that kinda thing !!
if it turns out that he is a paedophile how many people are gunna be gutted that they were on his side saying he is innocent and he wouldnt do a thing like that !!
i never judge a book by its cover but ive gotta feeling im right on this one !!
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i'm not saying he's innocent or guilty.. we have no evidence, and the last case like this was a total sham.. people were saying the exact same things back then.
you never answered.. does he only have his own (very young) kids in his bed? for young kids thats pretty normal.. so was that sometimes? every night? or what...
people twisting every word the guy says and promoting and sensationalising wacko jacko style headlines havent helped
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well, i dont know if he has his own kids sharing his bed or not so im not gunna pass comment on that, maybe he does maybe he dont? i also think that maybe the it was wrong of me to use the word paedophile as there is no evidence as yet, but i just cant see why he would want to share his bed with young boys ???
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but you just said you dont know if they're his own kids or not?
if they his own kids who are very young, and if its not every night.. then thats pretty normal?
...of course the papers would make out he's having a pedo orgy every night
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no, michael jackson said he shares his bed with "friends" who are young boys IS THAT NORMAL ?
these are children that are no relation to him, that come to stay in his house and walk about in his acres of land.
i dont remember him ever saying he shared his bed with his own children, IF he did then yes that would be acceptable.
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hmm well thats more worrying..
just sit tight and see what happens, i mean he's been arrested this time ;o
sure every sniff of news will be here
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thats true BUT the fact is that when you hear that he has had young boys sleeping in his bed people will think he's a paedophile cuz its just not normal for grown men to do that kinda thing !!
it's not normal for a grown man to live in a amusement park is it
nobody said he's totally normal he does doubtless have problems caused by his childhood, that's why he's kind of "obsessed" with children, but what he does is help them, not rape em.. every fan of his knows it, he has formed numerous foundations, he's visiting ill ones, inviting them and shit and he does have friends like Macaulay Culkin who've been friends of his since they were little boys but he never did anything to them, he has friends like that cuz one part of him still feels like a child and it was known before the first bullshit case started.. it's not him dealing with children cuz he's a paedophile but him getting accused being one cuz he is known for dealing with children all the time.. bitches like the father of that boy see the opportunity and it worked the first time (he got millions although it was proven that he told MJ he was gonna do it if doesn't pay him) so it might work again..
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so is it normal for a 45 year old man to have teenage boys "share" his bed ?
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MJ isnt normal -- thats a fact. Dude is 40 and acts like he's 15, maybe in his mind he still is? MJ has issues in his head, so to him it probably is normal. A pedo to me is someone who does sexual shit with kids, im willing to bed MJ doesn't do that
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MJ isnt normal -- thats a fact. Dude is 40 and acts like he's 15, maybe in his mind he still is? MJ has issues in his head, so to him it probably is normal. A pedo to me is someone who does sexual shit with kids, im willing to bed MJ doesn't do that
so now we have finally got a sensible answer from someone, do you think that if MJ has issues that lead him to think that this kind of behaviour is normal that he should be allowed to continue to have other peoples children stay over at his house ?
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so is it normal for a 45 year old man to have teenage boys "share" his bed ?
did u read my post..? the main message was "no he's not normal, neither is his behaviour" --> poeple make shit like raping out of it because MJ and his behaviour is far from normal
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^^ true...but the question isnt is he normal / weird....
...most people are weird in certain ways...we all have our quirks...and yes i know that things he may do are almost beyond weird but that isnt the point...
...has he raped / had unlawful sex with minors?
to be truthful i really dont think that would enter his head...
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yes i did read your post, ive read what you all are saying about him and the majority of you are just seem to be making excuses for him, yes, innocent until proven guilty i agree !!
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MJ isnt normal -- thats a fact. Dude is 40 and acts like he's 15, maybe in his mind he still is? MJ has issues in his head, so to him it probably is normal. A pedo to me is someone who does sexual shit with kids, im willing to bed MJ doesn't do that
so now we have finally got a sensible answer from someone, do you think that if MJ has issues that lead him to think that this kind of behaviour is normal that he should be allowed to continue to have other peoples children stay over at his house ?
i would let my kids goto his house (if i had any). The dude is just weird, plain & simple. He loves & adores kids, he doesn't want to stick his willy up them
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what happened to innocent until proven guilty?
thats true BUT the fact is that when you hear that he has had young boys sleeping in his bed people will think he's a paedophile cuz its just not normal for grown men to do that kinda thing !!
if it turns out that he is a paedophile how many people are gunna be gutted that they were on his side saying he is innocent and he wouldnt do a thing like that !!
i never judge a book by its cover
^ Except this time, right?
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thats true BUT the fact is that when you hear that he has had young boys sleeping in his bed people will think he's a paedophile cuz its just not normal for grown men to do that kinda thing !!
it's not normal for a grown man to live in a amusement park is it
nobody said he's totally normal he does doubtless have problems caused by his childhood, that's why he's kind of "obsessed" with children, but what he does is help them, not rape em.. every fan of his knows it, he has formed numerous foundations, he's visiting ill ones, inviting them and shit and he does have friends like Macaulay Culkin who've been friends of his since they were little boys but he never did anything to them, he has friends like that cuz one part of him still feels like a child and it was known before the first bullshit case started.. it's not him dealing with children cuz he's a paedophile but him getting accused being one cuz he is known for dealing with children all the time.. bitches like the father of that boy see the opportunity and it worked the first time (he got millions although it was proven that he told MJ he was gonna do it if doesn't pay him) so it might work again..
Exactly. I'm gonna go on record as saying I trust the guy so much, not even meeting him, that I'd let my kids stay there over night (If I had kids). We'll see where this goes, I could be wrong, but I can't fathom it. The reason I trust him, is because I've been a big fan of his for years, have read countless interviews, and many books about him. There is no way this guy is a pedophile.
Here's some more stuff.
1. YES, he sleeps with boys in his bed. Not just his boys, either, other boys that aren't his. Many of these he's known for years.
People get it so twisted, I imagine it could be him preying on young kids, but generally, he sleeps with his own children. He might have other kids over, becuase he loves kids, and maybe they all sleep together. He's said before though, that there's been several times when he's slept alone with another kid in his bed, even without his children around. WHY WOULD HE ADMIT THIS? Are you crazy? If he was a pedophile, he'd hide all of it. He's also said that when kids come to his house, they always ask to stay the night, and he always says it's o.k. if they get their parents permission, then usually, the kid wants to stay the night in Mike's bedroom, not in some guest cottage. He's got arcade games, wax statues, every video game system made, large screen t.v., etc. etc. etc. and a big ass oversized King size bed, ALL in his bedroom. I just dont' see it as that big of a deal. He's not inviting these kids to sleep with him, they just want to, or they pass out in his room after playing video games for 6 hours or something.
2. Like you said, Macaulay Culkin was Michael's little buddy for YEARS. He spent almost his entire childhood at Mike's house. He went around the world with him, he filmed music videos with him, he held parties at his house. I'm not gay, but when he was young, wasn't he voted cutest kid in America or something? It seems to me like that would be a pedophile's dream, but Macaulay said he never saw Michael do anything weird to anybody. Mike also used to have Kiernan culkin, and Mac's little sister over, they'd all sleep together.
Weird, yes, but Illegal, highly unlikely.
How hard is it to fathom, that Michael stopped calling some kid back, or something, the kid got mad, and the parents got mad, and they decided to sue and fabricate a story? How hard to believe is that? Honestly; knowing my mom, she's so incredibly vengeful, I'll guarantee you she'd do that if I was in that situation. People DO this.
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The worst part of it all? Michael's in Las Vegas, filming the music video for "One More Chance" and doing some work for a t.v. special about him that's going to air next week. When all this went down, he tried to get out of the video, but CBS told him they had him under contract, and are forcing him to stay in Las Vegas and complete the filming. As soon as he goes back, they're going to hand him over to the police.
That's all he's good for. He's being forced to work like a slave so they can get their little fucking music video out of his sweat and tears, but his humanitarian work for children all over the world lands him in jail. He's one of the rare instances of a musician who tries to do more than make good music, and he gets prison for it.
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word the FUCK up! Trauma hit that shit right on the head
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Oh, here's another one that really hit home to me, when Michael was accused the first time, who of all people but Paul McCartney, who is PISSED at Mike and doesn't even talk to him, had a little press conference and said that in his opinion, there's no way Michael would ever do something like that. Also, both of Michaels wives have said the same thing. Those are the people closest to him, Lisa Marie Presley said she never even saw him sleep with anyone but her.
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1. YES, he sleeps with boys in his bed.
he shouldnt be in bed with any boys !! they should be in their own beds !!
as far as im concerned you will all be really sorry that you were ever on his side when the world finds out what MJ has really been up to !!
you are all making excuses for a charlie chester and i cant think for the life of me why you all think that this is all ok just because its michael jackson !!
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no, michael jackson said he shares his bed with "friends" who are young boys IS THAT NORMAL ?
these are children that are no relation to him, that come to stay in his house and walk about in his acres of land.
i dont remember him ever saying he shared his bed with his own children, IF he did then yes that would be acceptable.
i agree with you.... i think he is a paedophile... why would anyone lie about that?
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word up Trauma
1. YES, he sleeps with boys in his bed.
as far as im concerned you will all be really sorry that you were ever on his side when the world finds out what MJ has really been up to !!
I wish I could say u'll be the one who'll be sorry for believing all that shit about a man who's helped children more than any other artist but I know, no matter how many proof they'll have that he did not do it, people will ignore it like most people did it the first time.. it's a shame
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he's a constant 12-year-old cause he wasnt able to be a child during his childhood + he's weird as fuck cause his father beat the shit out of him 5 times a day. he has like a hundred of complexes as well. he's completely mentally disordered I guess.
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Jacko Accuser: 'Wine and Sleeping Pills'
The 12-year-old boy at the center of the Michael Jackson child molestation scandal may have confessed to his psychiatrist that the pop singer plied him with wine and sleeping pills when he allegedly molested him, according to sources.
The boy has also hired Los Angeles attorney Larry Feldman, the same lawyer who represented the family of a 13-year-old boy who made similar allegations a decade ago, the sources said.
Also, according to my source, Jackson — knowing some months ago that the boy and his family had serious complaints about his relationship with them — tried to get rid of them.
“He bought them passports and planned to ship them off to somewhere in South America,” a friend of the boy’s family (a mother and siblings) told me. In fact, says this source, Jackson kept the family at Neverland for a period of time, hoping to convince them to drop their allegations by lavishing them with entertainment and further merriment.
Calls to Feldman and to the family’s other attorney were not returned.
According to sources, the boy who made the allegations was a cancer patient whose "last wish" was to meet Jackson at a time that his friends and family feared his illness was worsening.
Jackson paid the family’s medical bills and assisted them financially, even buying them a car and, according to sources, possibly a new house. When the boy’s condition improved, according to a family friend, Jackson brought him to his Neverland Valley Ranch. That is when the alleged inappropriate contact between them is thought to have occurred.
At some point last spring, the boy's schoolmates — apparently aware of his relationship with Jackson — began taunting him in public. In one case, an incident of harassment is said to have occurred at a gas station, prompting the boy’s mother to seek legal advice. The lawyer she met with advised sending the boy to a psychologist. According to my source, the psychologist had enough concerns to report his conversation to the police.
That would jibe with the idea proposed by the police and others that the family is not seeking civil damages at this time or anticipating a cash settlement similar to the one that happened 10 years ago.
Sadly, according to my source, the health condition of the boy involved is still in jeopardy — a situation that should add to the melodrama of an already shocking and headline-making story.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,103557,00.html
What a messed up situation... :(
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yoo i still find to beleive that mj did this.......i mean look at the timin, same day as his release!?!?.................if its true, ofcourse as much as a mj fan i am, i hope nigga goes down ofcourse, but i jus cant imagine him doin it.................unless nigga thinks its a normal thing to do......who knows man, but what im sayin is it could jus be someone whos always tryna bring homie down when his tryna get up...............same day as the release, this comes out............sometimes i think mj will never blow up again cuz no1 will let him.............could even be sony tryna fuck him after his last release!...............but if its true, about mj doin this, he can get the fuck up outta here, but i still find it hard to believe
peace
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goodbye michael........
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It's the kid from the Martin Bashir interview. The immigrant that had the dying wish or whatever to meet Michael, so he met him, and bought his mom a house since she was broke or whatever. The kid was dying of cancer and Bashir was playing all the clips of the kid's mom saying Michael saved the boy's life, etc. Apparently he was on t.v. saying all that stuff about how he loved Michael, and Michael said they had slept together, and some kids at the boy's school beat him up over it and teased him. The kid got sent to a psychologist, and the psychologist is the one ready to testify against Michael. To just about any psychiatrist, I'm sure the boy telling him he slept in Michael's bed would be alarming, and in all honesty, it's pretty easy to get a kid with broken english to say shit maybe he doesn't understand he's saying. On the other hand, Michael could have done it, I 100% believe he's not capable of it, though. Either way, it will come down to his word against the child's, and no Jury will convict him on hearsay, they better have some evidence against him, pictures or tapes or something, or this will be a huge embarassment for the D.A.'s office.
Michael issued a statement saying he's innocent, and will prove it in court.
P.S., the guy heading all this is the local District Attorney, Tom Sneddon. He's the guy who tried the shit the first time, after hearing the boy's parents filed a lawsuit against Michael Jackson (in 93, the parents didn't even call the police, they just sued Mike; proof for me that he didn't do shit, they just wanted money). Michael responded by making a song called "D.A." on his '95 History album, with the hook "Tom Sneddon is a cold man, Tom S. Sneddon is a cold man" and lines like "I think he's partners with the CIA, You think he's brother with the KKK?" LOL. So Ladies and Gentlemen, WE HAVE A MOTIVE!!!!
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my uncle said this earlier
"Any man who calls himself Peter Pan must be crazy"
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MJ is fuckin crazy, nutty or whatever (& with the child hood & life he had, can you blame him, in fact my mum believes he was sexually molested himself during his early star years), but I dont believe he is a pedophile
See, Michael Jackson in my opinion is like a child himself in the mind, he lives in a fantasy world where everything is happy & innocent
Heck I dont even thing MJ has the slightest interest in sex, he is like a child. Heck if any of you watched his home videos recently you would have seen how he was acting like a kid
& when I was a kid, believe it or not, i had mates sleep over. Heck to this day sometimes my mates do. Michael is just kinda enuff to let his "friends" sleep in his bed while he sleeps on the floor
Look, if there is evidence & he is found guilty, i'll concede it, but as you can see my arguments & reasons above for why he didnt do it as credible
Some people are just out to persecute Michael because he
a) looks weird
b) behaves weird
c) acts like a child
d) to get money & fame
e) all of the above
No one would've heard of this district attorneys name if it wasnt for him jumping onto the "lets convict MJ & get publicity, it = better business" bandwagon.
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Heck I dont even thing MJ has the slightest interest in sex,
and so how did he get 3 children ? he said himself they were all conceived in the proper way, and how come the children are white, how can this be when MJ is black and the mother white ?
he also lied about the nose jobs too !!
this man is a liar and you cant trust anything he says !!
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^^ Honestly, you dont' know what you're talking about. He never lied about the nose jobs, he said he had 2, and that is the honest to god truth, you just think it isn't. He had a big ass nose, he had it made smaller, then he fell on stage, fucked it up, and had it made even smaller. Christina Aguilera & Britney Spears look 100% different from day to day, that doesn't mean they've had plastic surgery.
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Heck I dont even thing MJ has the slightest interest in sex,
and so how did he get 3 children ? he said himself they were all conceived in the proper way, and how come the children are white, how can this be when MJ is black and the mother white ?
don't u see how u contradicting urself..? first u say he kust have interest in sex cuz he got children, then u claim he did not get these children by having sex..
stop hatin.. we're not believeing whatever he sais but tryin to judge how credible these stories are and people like u who probably got their 'facts' out of some magazine can't do that in a fair way.. fact is there is no proof at all so it's not like anybody's ignoring them.. they don't exist
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Heck I dont even thing MJ has the slightest interest in sex,
and so how did he get 3 children ? he said himself they were all conceived in the proper way, and how come the children are white, how can this be when MJ is black and the mother white ?
don't u see how u contradicting urself..? first u say he kust have interest in sex cuz he got children, then u claim he did not get these children by having sex..
stop hatin.. we're not believeing whatever he sais but tryin to judge how credible these stories are and people like u who probably got their 'facts' out of some magazine can't do that in a fair way.. fact is there is no proof at all so it's not like anybody's ignoring them.. they don't exist
Thanks for replying to H.H.H.'s lame post for me, it saved me time :D
I guess DUBCNN's H.H.H. is just like WWE's HHH, he is an arrogant prick (& DubCnn HHH, dont say I dont know Paul Lesqueve, i know him indirectly, not thru the net)
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too many people dont no enough about michael jackson and just believe what ever the media tells them.
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I guess DUBCNN's H.H.H. is just like WWE's HHH, he is an arrogant prick (& DubCnn HHH, dont say I dont know Paul Lesqueve, i know him indirectly, not thru the net)
This is WCC, not DubCNN.
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More shit's coming out, apparently Michael's pretty confident he can beat the charge; there's a lot of stuff going on. For instance, several months ago, Michael stopped giving their family money, Michael has a videographer that follows him wherever he goes, and the videographer apparently has tapes of the kid and his mother saying that Michael would never abuse any children, also, the kid and his mother visited and stayed at Neverland after the 'allegations', so it looks pretty fishy. The attorney and the Jacksons are hinting too that some things will come out in court that will change the public's opinion about it, apparently there's little evidence, and little chance that Michael will be able to be convicted on anything.
Also, about the kid not filing a civil suit. 2 months ago, they aquired the services of Larry Feldman, the guy who sued michael the first time, and got the 20 mill. or whatever. With the new law in california, it's impossible for a child to file a civil suit before a criminal suit (that's what the kid did last time), because they could settle the civil suit, and then refuse to participate in the criminal suit (that's what the kid did last time). So, the kid hasn't filed a civil suit (for money), but that's because the D.A.'s office would immediately stay the suit until the criminal suit was over. In other words, if you wanted to get money out of Michael this way, the only way to do it would be to first win a criminal suit. It's looking like extortion.
Another interesting thing, everybody's been saying Michael's broke, but he didn't bat an eye when required to lay down a 3 million dollar bond payment with less than 1 day's notice. He wasn't even in town, and had access to 3 million dollars, and bailed himself out 30 minutes after being taken into custody. Baller.
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until there is proof of michael doing ANYTHING bad to kids, i still think Jacko is one of the greatest human beings living today, as well as one of the weirdest, but if he's not a child molestor , i think we all got a lot to learn from the guy.
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Heck I dont even thing MJ has the slightest interest in sex,
and so how did he get 3 children ? he said himself they were all conceived in the proper way, and how come the children are white, how can this be when MJ is black and the mother white ?
don't u see how u contradicting urself..? first u say he kust have interest in sex cuz he got children, then u claim he did not get these children by having sex..
stop hatin.. we're not believeing whatever he sais but tryin to judge how credible these stories are and people like u who probably got their 'facts' out of some magazine can't do that in a fair way.. fact is there is no proof at all so it's not like anybody's ignoring them.. they don't exist
im not getting my question answered here !!
i wanted to know how come his children are fucking white ok !! i dont really give a fuck if he's interested in sex, that wasnt my question was it !!
do you think your able to answer that now, its not a difficult one ::)
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He had a big ass nose, he had it made smaller, then he fell on stage, fucked it up, and had it made even smaller.
that sounds a bit like when people saw barry manilow with a cast on his nose, he reckons he "walked in to a door" ::)
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(& DubCnn HHH, dont say I dont know Paul Lesqueve, i know him indirectly, not thru the net)
what on earth are you chatting about ???
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he doesnt know you're a she ;)
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lol ;D
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until there is proof of michael doing ANYTHING bad to kids, i still think Jacko is one of the greatest human beings living today, as well as one of the weirdest, but if he's not a child molestor , i think we all got a lot to learn from the guy.
Yeah, I saw this shit on the news yesterday... There's a bunch of fans outside his house right now, holding all night vigils and shit, lol. Anyways, this couple was there, a man and his wife, they're both fans. They said, they came by his house one day, and were standing outside taking pictures of his gate, and the trees and shit, lol. Anyways, Michael pulls up in a car, and rolls down the window, says "Hey guys, wanna come have some fun?" and they got in the car, he took them inside, and gave them a tour of the place, and hung out with them all night, playing in the amusement park, etc. etc. That's how this fucker treats strangers. This is a great guy, this is the same guy that, at the peak of his career as one of the most successful musicians of all time, chooses to make songs with lyrics like "Heal the world we live in, save it for our children" and "In my darkest hour, in my deepest dispair, will you still be there, will you still care" and then all these fake-ass fans flip on his ass as soon as he starts looking weird and gets accused of something.
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Heck I dont even thing MJ has the slightest interest in sex,
and so how did he get 3 children ? he said himself they were all conceived in the proper way, and how come the children are white, how can this be when MJ is black and the mother white ?
don't u see how u contradicting urself..? first u say he kust have interest in sex cuz he got children, then u claim he did not get these children by having sex..
stop hatin.. we're not believeing whatever he sais but tryin to judge how credible these stories are and people like u who probably got their 'facts' out of some magazine can't do that in a fair way.. fact is there is no proof at all so it's not like anybody's ignoring them.. they don't exist
im not getting my question answered here !!
i wanted to know how come his children are fucking white ok !! i dont really give a fuck if he's interested in sex, that wasnt my question was it !!
do you think your able to answer that now, its not a difficult one ::)
tryin to avoid something when u see ur wrong it one thing.. but don't be saying shit like "im not getting my question answered here" then please.. ain't that exactly what u just did..?
If u don't give a fuck don't talk shit about it..
as for his children how would I know what's up with them being white.. I don't know why MJ himself became white either or why some black people are albinos, so yes it is a difficult one plus u can't come up with an answer urself so stop contradicting urself again
u act like he was proven guilty and people wouldn't wanna see it which is buillshit.. ain't shit been proven and to be able to judge this with a little more differentiated view u should read the details of this case Trauma mentioned and not just focus on the fact that MJ is weird and u don't trust him..
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yep, ok !!
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trauma speaks the truth
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(& DubCnn HHH, dont say I dont know Paul Lesqueve, i know him indirectly, not thru the net)
what on earth are you chatting about ???
Sorry, thought ur name was in reference to WWE Star Triple H. Now i realize its the Hip Hop Hoe
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Guys, what do you think about this? This is from Southern California's NBC4.
http://www.nbc4.tv/entertainment/2654978/detail.html
Father Of Jackson's Accuser Denies Charges
Boy In Center Of Bitter Divorce, Custody Battle
POSTED: 7:45 a.m. PST November 21, 2003
UPDATED: 2:55 p.m. PST November 21, 2003
LOS ANGELES -- The attorney for the father of the 12-year-old boy in the center of the Michael Jackson controversy spoke to the media Thursday evening.
H. Russell Halper told reporters that his client believes the boy's mother is unfit and does not believe that the pop superstar victimized his son.
"Either she places a child in a home in which he's in danger of being molested, or the alternative, she is encouraging a child to make false accusations," Halper said. "Either way, it makes her unfit."
The boy is a cancer patient who stayed at Jackson's Neverland Ranch on a few occasions.
The boy is in the center of a bitter divorce and custody battle.
Halper said that the father lost custody of his son because the boy's mother accused him of abuse. Those charges were later dropped, according to NBC4. The father is currently unemployed.
The boy's mother had nothing negative to say about Jackson when she told a British newspaper earlier this year that "at no time has (her son) ever been treated with anything other than love, respect and the deepest kindness by Michael."
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Not only does the father think Michael's a nice guy (there was more to the interview, he said he personally doesn't believe Michael did anything to his son), but the Mother accused HIM of abuse, then later dropped the charges after she got custody of her son. If it was your son, wouldn't you be overly protective, and assume that Michael did something? This guy doesn't, he must know the boy's mom is a nut. As soon as Michael stopped giving her money (after he bought her a house!), she yells abuse, just like as soon as her husband filed divorce proceedings, she yelled abuse to get custody of her son.
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ok now this is looking more fucked up by the minute!
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^ The sad part is, in America at least, being accused of this shit carries an INCREDIBLE stigma (as I guess maybe it should), so he'll always be guilty in the eyes of the public. Hey, you want some money? Accuse Michael Jackson of molesting you, shit, everybody does it.
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well this is why people are so quick to jump to possibly the wrong conclusion after last time.. he really did himself no favours.. he'll have to fight and win this time.. and even if he does.. people'll say.. either he had better money for a good lawyer.. or some other shit..
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^ Yeah, I've been thinking about that a lot lately. On one hand, this guy is out of touch with reality (which you can imagine anybody in his position would be), I don't think he realized the same stigma settling the case out of court carries with it. If someone settles out of court, that's as good as saying they did it. On the other hand, a man in his position is 1. out of touch, and 2. money has no value to him. If someone says give me 20 million dollars and you don't have to worry about a trial, you don't have to worry about naked pictures of your penis being shown to a courtroom and leaked onto the internet, you don't have to ever see this kid again;... I can kind of see why he would do it if Innocent. To him even 20 million dollars doesn't hurt, he can spend money on whatever he wants, and he never runs out, so price tags don't exist to him, whatever the price on anything, he can afford it. To someone that doesn't even have a concept of money any longer, it would be like someone saying "How about I just don't sue you and you don't talk about it, and we'll drop it?". He should have taken it to court though, if he would have thought of what people would assume. I guess honestly he doesn't care what people think of him, though, but then he bitches about what people say, so I would have taken it to court. I agree with him that essentially there's nothing wrong with sleeping with kids, but in THIS imperfect world, you can't do things like that, it just looks bad. Maybe in Heaven everybody goes to sleep with everybody, but in America, it looks really bad.
He's got Elvis syndrome. Everyone was afraid to tell Elvis he had a drug problem, becuase they thought he'd fire them or quit being around them. They loved him so much they were greedy enough to not give him the good advice someone needed to give him, and he died of a drug overdose. Michael needs someone that will give him good advice, but everybody's afraid to, they're just hanger ons, even sadly his own BROTHERS do this to him. They want him to record with them and come over and visit, etc. so much, they won't even tell him that the things he does he should just stay away from, whatever his intentions.
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^ P.S. with that said, I'm not trying to shift Elvis' or Michael's personal blame to the people around them, but somebody could have prevented both of them messing their lives up if they would have had a little bit of balls. I would have told Elvis to put the Drugs down, and I also would have told Michael to let the kids sleep in the living room.
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Heck I dont even thing MJ has the slightest interest in sex,
and so how did he get 3 children ? he said himself they were all conceived in the proper way, and how come the children are white, how can this be when MJ is black and the mother white ?
don't u see how u contradicting urself..? first u say he kust have interest in sex cuz he got children, then u claim he did not get these children by having sex..
stop hatin.. we're not believeing whatever he sais but tryin to judge how credible these stories are and people like u who probably got their 'facts' out of some magazine can't do that in a fair way.. fact is there is no proof at all so it's not like anybody's ignoring them.. they don't exist
im not getting my question answered here !!
i wanted to know how come his children are fucking white ok !! i dont really give a fuck if he's interested in sex, that wasnt my question was it !!
do you think your able to answer that now, its not a difficult one ::)
who knows i mean...he has injected so much shit into himself to make him white that maybe whatever he did got into his sperm and made the kids white...i dont know...it is possible to for a black man & a white woman to have a very very lite skinned baby...the kid could look white and be black...who knows?
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^ injected? wtf u talking about.. mike had his skin bleached. he had a skin condition where it would have white blotches.. the only 2 ways around it are 1) he uses black makeup for the rest of his life on the bits that go white 2) he bleaches the rest out to match so he doesnt have to..
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Basically.
BTW, Here's a topic I started in the other section, it's a G.Q. article from 1994 with all the juicy details of how Michael was set up by the first kid, if anybody cares to read it.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=44518;start=0#lastPost
It chronicles all the crazy shit that happened, the evidence in Michael's favor that was never brought to trial, etc. Awesome read if you want to know the entire story, and it's actually fairly unbiased.
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i just read a big chunk of that..
the problem is.. lowest common demoninator (demonising?) media ( read : tabloids).. always throw these accusations around, but never cleans up after themselves responsibly, this is why the stigma remains.
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Exactly! They say whatever they want, and then never finish the story. For instance, they didn't bother to mention that the D.A. in 1994 interviewed 30 children from Michael Jackson's phone book, and nearly 200 additional witnesses, and couldn't get 1 person to corroborate that he had ever molested anyone.
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Thanks for the link i see michael jacksons number 1 album is number 1 in the uk album charts ;D
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I guess the support is coming out now.
Alicia Keys was interviewed by somebody, and said she didn't think he did it, and "I feel offended at the way the media is handling a man who really has been a major force in American culture since the day he was born, virtually," Keys told reporters. "I really think that he deserves more respect."
Puff Daddy apparently also said something about Michael being framed.
Lionel Richie's daughter (who's Michael's Goddaughter) said she'd slept with him before and he never did anythign strange (of course she's a girl, lol).
"It was like, absolutely nothing more than just an adult kind of wanting to be a kid again," she told the Access Hollywood entertainment television show on Thursday.
LL Cool J said "I'm a fan. I support him a hundred zillion per cent. Until I see evidence, I'm not going to be convinced. I'm not going to be brainwashed."
Jermaine Jackson - "He is innocent. This is nothing but a modern-day lynching,"
Rick James (the superfreak!) said "He's black, rich and famous, and they have nothing better to do,"
Jesse Jackson said "Michael deserves due process, the newsrooms should remain objective and the global community must not hasten to judgment," he said, branding the raid by up to 70 investigators on Jackson's Neverland Ranch as "overkill".
Elizabeth Taylor - ''I thought the law was 'innocent until proven guilty.' I know he is innocent and I hope they all eat crow.''
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The Woman who was Barry Rothman's secretary (Rothman is the one who sued Jackson with the first kid) is about to release a book saying it was a setup!
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New Book Detailing 'The Truth' About Allegations 10 Years Ago
Geraldine Hughes, the former secretary of Barry Rothman (Accusers lawyer) decides to go public about the conspiracy behind the allegations against Michael Jackson in 1993.
The book, entitled: Redemption: The Truth Behind the Michael Jackson Child Molestation Allegations, includes details of the events that took place that prove "beyond a shadow of doubt" Michael's innocence.
When discussing with MJNI, Geraldine Hughes states: "As far as the book, I am revealing facts that has never come to the public's attention which will prove Michael Jackson's innocence beyond a shadow of doubt. If Sneddon was really searching for the truth in this case in 1993, how did the sole secretary of Barry Rothman go completely unnoticed? Geraldine then goes on to say, "The book was originally called 'The Set-Up.' It is now called 'Redemption....'."
The book has been in the making since 1997, and is due for a January 2004 release.
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Annnnnnd, One of the Largest music promoters in the business doesn't believe it.
Ex-promoter: Michael cares too much
L.A. PARKER , Staff Writer
11/23/2003
A former Michael Jackson music promoter with ties to Trenton told The Trentonian that he believes the King of Pop incapable of hurting another human being and that his generosity attracts scam artists.
Pete Bennett, 55, who Billboard magazine referred to as "The World’s No. 1 Promotion Man’’ called painful the recent televised arrest of Jackson but so riveting that he could not turn away.
"It was terrible to see Michael arrested and a shame that they put him in handcuffs. He didn’t kill anybody. Whatever happened about being innocent until proven guilty,’’ asked Bennett.
"The problem with Michael is that he cares too much about people. And even though it seems to get him in trouble, I don’t think there is anything that anyone can say, not his family or advisers, that will ever change him. Michael is always going to be Michael. And he always will be an easy mark,’’ said Bennett.
Bennett, who represents Trenton pop-rock musician Duke Williams, owns a former client list that includes The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Elvis Presley, Janet Jackson and her sibling stars, The Jackson 5. He has worked with Aerosmith and U2 and boasts of a future collaboration with Bruce Springsteen.
Bennett, born Pietro Benedetto in the Bronx, signed Michael and his brothers on with CBS’ Epic Records in the mid-1970s. Bennett is also a close friend of Trenton casting director, Roz Clancy.
Beverly Johnson, a model, actress and writer, was the first black model ever to grace the cover of Vogue magazine in August 1974. She appeared on more than 500 magazine covers, including Glamour. Bennett said that Jackson had the hots for the sultry, black star.
"He had an eye for pretty girls, especially Johnson. She was about 25 and Michael was 16. But Beverly, I believe was dating Arthur Ashe at the time,’’ Bennett said.
"Often when I would be in his company, Michael would point a girl out and admire her looks or figure.
"I don’t know when people started believing that Michael had a thing for young boys. Does he like kids? Yes, he’s always been that way. Michael has always been playful and thoughtful.’’
And shy, almost to a fault, according to Bennett.
"He was always with his mother or reading the Bible. And often he had two birds, a parrot and a crow on his shoulder. He was a nice, quiet kind of kid.’’
Bennett called Jackson’s alleged out-of-court settlement with his first young accuser a strategic victory, one that many celebrities would have opted for in a similar situation.
"I do believe Michael paid the boy’s family because he didn’t want to go through a major media scene, an investigation and court hearing,’’ claimed Bennett.
Bennett called Jackson a media magnet whose eccentric habits will eternally attract criticism and money-grabbers.
"His talent, facial surgery, holding the baby over the balcony railing, whatever Michael does is news,’’ he said.
"Look at what happened when he went out on the Las Vegas strip after being arrested. People love him and I don’t think that will ever change.’’
"What I find hard to believe is that if Michael is this pedophile, then where are all the other boys. Pedophilia is not something that you turn on and off. That’s the one thing that seems unbelievable and I think strengthens Michael’s case.’’
But despite Bennett’s adamant support for Jackson, there is an iota of doubt.
"When 60 or 70 investigators visit three of his residences they must have something. They must know something that nobody else knows. But I hope not. I pray not for Michael’s sake,’’ he said.
Bennett expects the Jackson trial to be larger than the O.J. Simpson trial. He called the potential world audience a promoter’s dream.
"I would say a situation like this is great from a promoter’s point of view. The whole world will be watching. And even if Michael if found guilty, I don’t think his career is over,’’ predicted Bennett.
"The guy is an institution. It will be interesting to see how this next chapter in his life turns out.’’
©The Trentonian 2003
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this is definitely going to trial now right? unless something stops it being able to go to trial.. like lack of evidence..
so hopefully justice is served.
(and i believe mj is innocent..)
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^^ I believe there's no way to stop it from going to trial, unless the D.A.'s office and Sheriff's office drop charges (I.E., the kid admits it didn't happen, or whatever). Even if the kid decides not to pursue the charges, the D.A. will likely attempt to force him to, under new California law. That's a stupid law, however, because the 5th ammendment provides that you don't have to testify in court if you don't want to. They can't make the kid do anything, but even if the kid says it didn't happen, they could still push a case (which Michael could easily defend by saying the Kid has said it didn't happen).
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well whichever way it going this way should help stop this kinda shit in future.. michael gotta have some shit hot lawyers on his side after all these years..
i also think the timing is a bit shady.. since that #1s thing has just come out.. smells bad from every angle
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^ Yeah, the asshole Tom Sneddon D.A. held a fucking press conference (which is shady in the first place, when do you hold a press conference about a child molestor?)... Did you catch it in Britian? The motherfucker was making jokes and cracking lines the whole time, like it was a big party or something. "Um, I think Michael Jackson said we released it on the day of his album to try and sabotage his album sales... like me and the Sheriff actually listen to that kind of music"
That fucker ACTUALLY said that. He then went on to say he hadn't thought about Michael Jackson in years, when a quick search of the net will show that Tom Sneddon has made dozens of interviews since the 93 case, all the while saying that they were looking for more information to open the case, in February he released a press release begging people that may have been molested to come forward, etc. etc. etc.
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Jackson's explicit letters seized
By CAROLINE GRAHAM and SHARON CHURCHER in London
November 24, 2003
EXPLICIT letters and poems said to have been written by Michael Jackson to his alleged victim will form the centrepiece of the sex-abuse case against him.
Police seized at least a dozen letters during the raid on Jackson's Neverland ranch last week.
"The district attorney is convinced these letters will be crucial to the case against Jackson," a source close to the investigation said yesterday.
"The boy told investigators about letters and poems and their precise location inside Michael's home. These letters were among the evidence seized, along with videotapes.
"They are very explicit and intimate and show a degree of familiarity. Basically, they appear to be love letters from Michael to the boy."
The accuser, 12-year-old Los Angeles cancer victim Gavin Arvizo, also told police Jackson's pet name for him was Rubba.
"The boy first told this to his therapist, then repeated it to police," the source said.
"He said Jackson called him Rubba because one of the games they used to play was called rubba rubba. The boy said, 'Michael told me he was my rubba rubba friend."'
Although police handling the case in Santa Barbara, California, have been barred from revealing any details, it is understood the alleged abuse took place in February.
Jackson is said to have befriended Gavin -- who, during a controversial British documentary screened earlier this year, admitted having shared a bed with the singer -- over a long period.
A source close to 45-year-old Jackson said: "For the past five or six years, he's taken kids from fractured homes and nurtured them as a father figure. As they get older, he teaches them fun things to do.
"Michael says he learned this from an adult when he was a teenager. No-one on his staff ever said anything. He's a tyrant. Everybody obeys the man."
Another Jackson source said: "The boy told of everything that went on and described things in Michael's closets, his bathroom, what was under his bed."
In her statements to police, Gavin's mother, Janet Ventura, has revealed that Jackson encouraged her son to call him "Daddy".
Ms Ventura has claimed she, Gavin and his two siblings were held virtual prisoners at Neverland, 100km north of Santa Barbara.
When she learned of her son's accusations of molestation -- which included claims that Jackson plied him with wine and sleeping pills -- she fled with her family in the dead of night.
A source close to district attorney Tom Sneddon, who will prosecute the case, said: "The DA is very confident with the evidence he has. This includes letters, videos and computer files. They believe they have enough to nail Jackson."
Jackson's legal team is said to be encouraging him to consider a plea bargain, possibly an insanity defence that would allow him to serve time in a state mental hospital instead of jail.
There was speculation yesterday that the singer raised his $3 million bail with the help of Miami-based Al Malnik, a lawyer for notorious gangster Meyer Lansky, who died in 1983.
Malnik reportedly began making large loans to Jackson when his career nosedived.
Malnik, 69, was cited by the New Jersey Casino Control Commission in 1980 and 1992 as a person of unsuitable character.
The prosecution source said: "It just gets weirder and weirder. Michael supposedly has financial problems, but hiring someone with Mob connections is bizarre."
Prosecutors are said to be spreading a net around the world for other alleged victims. One boy of special interest is said to be in El Salvador, another in South Africa.
They are also said to be considering quizzing the son of an English premiership footballer.
Charges of aiding and abetting are likely to be filed against members of Jackson's entourage.
At the same time as the Neverland swoop, police raided two homes in Los Angeles.
One was reportedly the residence of Marc Schaffel, a gay video producer who filmed the rebuttal tape Jackson released just after Martin Bashir's British documentary aired.
http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1260&storyid=534904
Who knows...
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^^ well holy shit...i think mike's goin to jail
now tell me everyone wants to be like mike :P
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OOOH! They took letters from his house!!!
What the fuck. Do you honestly think he wrote "oh, I like the way your penis looks" in a fucking letter than left it lying around his house?
Rubba is a stupid nickname that Michael gives about everyone in his family. He calls his sister Janet Stinky. I don't know where Rubba came from, but it's one of his favorite pet names to call people. For instance, "Baby Rubba" is named as one of the cowriters of "The Lost Children" on his last album. A friend named Rubba John Barnes is listed as playing the synthesizer on the song "Bad". He calls half his friends this. He also calls his youngest son Blanket. It doesn't mean he's rubbing the kids genitals. It just means he calls people stupid names, again, keeping in line with the theme of him acting like a kid.
Again, all his fans know little shit like this, but to everybody else it looks like he's a pervert.
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So, we reach a new plateau. Not only does Mike have videos of the woman and boy saying nothing happened, he also has signed documents saying the same thing, and witnesses saying they saw the woman threatening Michael while high on Crack. LOL. This shit is going to be CRAZY in court.
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Michael Jackson Defense Plan Emerges
Sunday, November 23, 2003
By Rita Cosby
LOS ANGELES — Michael Jackson's (search) defense team plans to vigorously attack the credibility of the mother of the boy now making the allegations against the superstar, Fox News has learned.
In addition to videos, first reported about by Fox News this past week, in which the mother and the boy say they love Jackson and have never seen any inappropriate behavior, sources said there are written statements saying the same thing, which were signed late February by the boy and his mother in front of Jackson's attorney Mark Geragos (search).
Also, Fox News has learned the Jackson team has been flooded in recent days with calls from witnesses who were at Neverland Ranch (search) when the boy was there. These witnesses say the boy always acted happy and did not seem troubled.
There are also some employees of Jackson who will say they saw the mother of the boy often arguing with him -- sometimes, they say, high on crack -- and that she made demands.
The mother was becoming such a concern to the Jackson team, that sources told Fox News they brought in two employees from late January to March to specifically keep an eye on her at Neverland, so she, "would not freak out."
Some members of the Jackson team told Fox News they believe this case is all about greed from that mother -- they said as early as late January she was making verbal threats saying, "she could go to the tabloids and tell some stories if they didn't take care of her."
The defense team also plans to launch a massive assault on the district attorney, who they've said from the beginning was out to get Jackson.
Police seized a dozen explicit love letters and poems allegedly written by the pop icon to the young boy accusing him of molestation, according to several international newspaper reports.
Fox News has learned of a number of reports claiming that about 12 love letters and some poems were taken from Jackson's Neverland Ranch during Tuesday's raid, which stemmed from allegations of child sexual abuse.
Court TV's Diane Dimond, who broke news of the raid, confirmed those reports Sunday on Fox News.
Also Sunday, another superstar and longtime friend of Jackson's came out decrying the sex abuse accusations and the intense media coverage of the case.
"I thought the law was, 'Innocent until proven guilty,'" said actress Elizabeth Taylor. "I know he is innocent, and I hope they all eat crow."
In other developments, a story in the U.K.'s Sunday Mirror reported that Jackson was an emotional wreck during Thursday's flight on his private jet from Las Vegas to Santa Barbara, Calif., where he ultimately turned himself in to authorities peacefully.
The Mirror reported that Jackson's handlers had to practically drag him aboard the airplane and once in flight, he was in a state of panic, shaking and rocking back and forth so much that he had to be sedated. He was heard saying, "Why, why, why are they doing this to me?" over and over again, according to the Mirror.
At one point, the singer demanded to be flown to South America to avoid confronting the arrest warrant on counts of child molestation, the Mirror reported.
Jackson surrendered to Santa Barbara County (search) authorities without incident on Thursday after an arrest warrant was issued alleging he committed lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14.
Authorities have said they expect to file formal charges sometime after Thanksgiving. Jackson's arraignment is scheduled for Jan. 9.
After posting $3 million bail, Jackson flew back to Las Vegas, where he had been working on a music video. But attorney Geragos told The Los Angeles Times he planned to meet with Jackson at the star's Neverland Ranch near Santa Barbara on Saturday.
Media reports have said Jackson's alleged victim is a 12- or 13-year-old cancer survivor who visited him at Neverland where the singer was known to hold sleep-overs for children and share his bed with youngsters.
Stuart Backerman, a spokesman for Jackson, said the pop star was feeling "very positive" despite the allegations against him.
"He's fine. He's fighting mad, that's what he is. He's outraged at these allegations. But he is doing fine," Backerman said Saturday.
Small gatherings of Jackson's fans held candlelight vigils around the world Saturday to support the pop megastar.
There were rallies from Los Angeles to Toronto to Rome, but each typically drew just a few dozen fans. Vigils were planned over the weekend in more than a dozen cities, and others were to follow in China and Australia.
In Los Angeles, about 25 supporters gathered at Jackson's star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame outside Grauman's Chinese Theater. They chanted "Michael's innocent!" and set candles in the shape of a heart around the star.
Faisal Malik, 29, a Los Angeles fan who helped organize the gathering, said he believes the performer is innocent.
"No other entertainer ever has opened his house so much to people," Malik said in a telephone interview. "True charity comes from the heart."
"He's the most famous person in the world, and they make someone a god and then they try to tear them down," said Arus Tashchyan, 18, of Montebello, who wore a black felt hat and a sequined glove, a style that Jackson made famous.
Geragos, who has said Jackson denies the charges, did not return repeated calls Saturday from The Associated Press.
In Las Vegas, about 25 fans gathered outside the CMX Productions studio, where Jackson had been working on the video.
"It's important for all his fans to come together at a time like this," said Christina Lowhorn, 21, of Las Vegas.
In Paris, about 60 fans gathered on the Champs Elysees and marched through crowds of shoppers to the Arc de Triomphe. They held candles and banners with slogans of support and sang "We Are the World," the 1985 African famine relief anthem written by Jackson and Lionel Richie.
"It's really hard for us," said Pascale Hatot, a 37-year-old fan from the suburbs of Paris. "I haven't been able to sleep or eat for three days."
Supporters in Rome gathered at the foot of the Spanish Steps just after darkness fell. They held candles and a sign in Italian that read: "Michael: Accused but not guilty!"
"There is an interest to see him fall as a man and as an artist," said Fabrizio Basili, a 30-year-old man from Rome who wore a black shirt bearing the image of Jackson's face. "His album 'Number Ones' came out with some of his great hits, and the same day the accusations came and this is why we're suspicious."
In Toronto, about 30 fans huddled over candles as rain and wind swept over the midtown square. A few fans held handmade signs supporting Jackson, some with photos clipped from magazines and "Michael We Love You" in six-inch-tall letters.
Some fans felt that Jackson is simply misunderstood.
"Is he creepy, no. Is he eccentric, yes. Different? Absolutely. I think that's what draws me to him," said Evan Williams, 28, who cranked a radio that played Jackson tunes.
Backerman said Jackson had received hundreds of supportive e-mails and was buoyed by his fans' loyalty. He added that a Web site, www.mjnews.us, will be launched as early as Sunday and will have official information from Jackson's camp for the media and fans.
"Michael Jackson has said in the past that his fans are his most precious resource. Clearly, the demonstrations around the world reinforce his long-standing feelings for his fans," Backerman said. "He's grateful."
Fox News' Anita Vogel and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Again, all his fans know little shit like this, but to everybody else it looks like he's a pervert.
all his fans know that he calls his friends little nicknames? i'm a micheal jackson fan and i didnt know that...in fact i bet the only ppl who do know that are 1) trauma, 2) the little sissy girls who scream his name and cream their pants at his concerts...
as for the people who still dont believe this...the guy likes children...get over it. i am gonna like mikes music whether he does little kids or not...just like i like r. kellys music. tommy lee beat his wife...i still like his music...stop acting like the guy is a saint and admit he has a problem.
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Man, fuck it, You want to make the shit personal and diss me when I'm bringing fucking facts to it, you're a fucking kid, you're not even worth me discussing it with. Grow the fuck up and get your shit straight, then come talk to me when you're older if you think you can speak on my level. I'm tired of arguing with mental midgets... I'm not changing anything, I'm not teaching anybody anything, because people like this are so fucking stupid they can't even learn. This motherfucker just sat here and said he doesn't care if somebody's a child molestor, he's still going to buy their shit and support them like that. He's on the other thread dissing me for being Mormon, I don't need this shit, fuck it.
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Man, fuck it, You want to make the shit personal and diss me when I'm bringing fucking facts to it, you're a fucking kid, you're not even worth me discussing it with. Grow the fuck up and get your shit straight, then come talk to me when you're older if you think you can speak on my level. I'm tired of arguing with mental midgets... I'm not changing anything, I'm not teaching anybody anything, because people like this are so fucking stupid they can't even learn. This motherfucker just sat here and said he doesn't care if somebody's a child molestor, he's still going to buy their shit and support them like that. He's on the other thread dissing me for being Mormon, I don't need this shit, fuck it.
dude fuck you...i didnt diss you for being mormon. i gave an example because my ex was a mormon. sandnigga dissed you and said you fucked your relatives. dont put that shit on me.
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This motherfucker just sat here and said he doesn't care if somebody's a child molestor, he's still going to buy their shit and support them like that.
fuck yes im gonna buy their shit...why do i care what they do in their personal lives? i dont...thats why i dont give a shit about beefs in rap or anything like that. personal lives should be set aside from music. simple as that.
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look trauma i dont expect you to understand where im coming from with what i just said (about mj & r. kelly). but lemme try to explain it a little...
music is my life. music has always been the way i escape whatever problems i am having...i have always seperated music from life and therefore i will do so for other music artists too. im not saying its right to do what they've done. but you act like im supporting them molesting children by buying their albums...all im doing is supporting their music...the day they start singing about the children is the day i stop buying their music. like i said i dont expect you to understand where im coming from (i dont mean that in a bad way...i just mean i feel i look at music a bit differently from most people)...but i do expect you to atleast respect my opinion on the matter. if you dont want to listen to mj or r. kelly because of what they do in their personal lives then thats your decision...im not gonna tell you that youre a bad person because of it.
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Jacko knew this shit was coming and has an ARMY of lawyers that will kill this shit
as for the children thing.. just because he's had 3 kids doesn't mean he's interested in sex. He wants someone to carry on his legacy, for all you know he could've had sex 3 times & thats it
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Troubled past of kid & kin
By MATTHEW HELLER and CHARLES RAPPLEYE
in Los Angeles
and LEO STANDORA
in New York
DAILY NEWS WRITERS
The kid at the center of the Michael Jackson sex case allegedly tried to steal clothes from a California store on orders from his father when he was just 8, court records reveal.
The shoplifting turned violent when security guards grabbed the boy and his mother fought them, the papers said. They were arrested and charged with burglary.
A police report on the Aug. 27, 1998, incident said security guards caught up with the boy in the parking lot, where they wound up fighting with the boy and his parents. His mother was handcuffed.
The troubled family then sued the JCPenney store in West Covina, about 30 miles east of Los Angeles, alleging they were severely beaten and falsely arrested. In the suit, the family claimed the boy suffered a "sprained arm, nightmares and emotional distress."
The suit also claimed that a younger son, who was 7 at the time, was bruised on the forehead, causing "headaches and emotional distress."
As part of the settlement, charges against the family were dropped. The family collected $200,000, but the couple divorced a short time later after bickering over the money.
Other police reports involving the family allege the father once kept his daughter, now 15, prisoner in his car for 2-1/2 hours and threatened to "kill your mom and your whole family." The teen told cops the incident happened outside her school on Nov. 13, 2001.
In a bizarre statement after the mother filed assault charges against the father, she assured police that Michael Jackson, local weatherman Fritz Coleman and basketball star Kobe Bryant "would assist her with this incident."
Originally published on November 25, 2003
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/140025p-124183c.html
Who knows...
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interesting, looks like they have a history 4 trying to sue people
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FBI investigates secret Michael Jackson video
The FBI is investigating a private charter jet company after it allegedly filmed Michael Jackson and his lawyer as the singer flew to California last week to be arrested.
Mark Geragos says he has won a temporary restraining order against XtraJet, barring any release of the tapes. He claims the charter company covertly installed two cameras in the cabin of the plane.
The cameras 'were recording attorney-client conversations and then somebody had the unmitigated gall to shop those tapes around to media outlets in order to sell them to the highest bidder,' he said.
Separately, FBI spokesman Matthew McLaughlin said agents have gone to the headquarters of XtraJet. 'We're currently assessing if a federal violation has occurred,' he said.
The tapes' existence came to light when representatives of XtraJet showed it to several news organisations, saying they had found two videotapes aboard one of their jets and wanted to know whether it was legal to distribute or sell them.
Mr Geragos said he contacted XtraJet and was referred to a lawyer who told him: 'We had a lottery ticket and we thought we were going to do something with it.'
'This is not the lottery,' Mr Geragos said. 'This is this man's life. This is his family's life. These are scurrilous accusations.'
Fox Network viewed the tape on Monday and reported that Jackson looked 'calm, often smiling or laughing' during the flight. The lawsuit claims XtraJet asked Fox to pay a price 'in the high six figures'.