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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: da_notorious_mack on August 25, 2002, 07:22:42 AM

Title: Reparations
Post by: da_notorious_mack on August 25, 2002, 07:22:42 AM
Should people of African descent in America receive reparations?


What do you think about it?
How should it be dealt out?
Who should receive?
Do you know what it is?

holla back yall...
Title: Re: Reparations
Post by: M Dogg™ on August 25, 2002, 08:48:29 AM
A very touchy issue that has no busness in the 21th centery, 'cause it should have been handled in 1865 when slavery ended.

What do you think about it?  It was what was suppose to be done in 1865
How should it be dealt out?  Right now, a chance for a good education, as oppose to just money
Who should receive?  All those who can prove that their family history was too damage from slavery to have a fair shot.
Do you know what it is? Yes, pay back for having wrong done on to you

The reason it bacame big was because after WWII, the United States paid reparations to the Japanese Americans for having them in Camps. The U.S. keeped them there 'cause Roosevelt signed a bill saying all those that hurt American securty should be put into Camps, and the local athorities pointed out all Japanese Americans as threats. So it'd be like if they put people in camps of Middle Eastern background after 9/11. African-Americans then said, hey, you had us in slavery for over 300 hundred years, and never gave us the 40 arces and a mule afterwards, and left us un-educated and broke. One day slaves, next day citizens, and we were lost. So they wanted what was promised in the 40 acres in a mule promise, but they never got. The government said no, as back then they were talking to former slaves children, 'cause slavery is actually not to far past. Now former slaves great-grandchildern, own generation, is sill fighting for what was originally promised, but so far down the line that for 2 former slaves, they would be paying up to about 60 to 100 people for what be two. Personally, I think that African-Americans deserve the rights to a free education, and a better public education 'cause of everything that has fucked up their way of living. Everything isn't, and never was, OK with how they were treated. So to improve the schools, and to offer them a opportunity for a college education for a generation would be fine. After all, it is better to give people tools to improve, than to throw money at people and expect results.
Title: Re: Reparations
Post by: Sikotic™ on August 25, 2002, 09:15:18 AM
You know what, I feel it was something of the past and it should be long forgotten. That's how I feel plain and simple. Like M Dogg said, it should have been taken car of long ago.
Title: Re: Reparations
Post by: Trauma-san on August 25, 2002, 12:02:40 PM
It's too late to do anything fair about it, because everyone that was immediately affected by it is dead, and all their descendants got screwed.  Nothing they do will make up for it.  
Title: Re: Reparations
Post by: Political Gangsta on August 28, 2002, 05:15:02 PM
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It's too late to do anything fair about it, because everyone that was immediately affected by it is dead, and all their descendants got screwed.  Nothing they do will make up for it.  


Trauma, there is a great chink in your theories.  I have a strong aversion in my heart to part of the song you sing.  The social myths you have invented to help you to sleep better at night are unrealistic, and they come at a great social and psychological expense when they become the views of the aggregate.  

Great mental, social, and economic scars still plaque the descendants of the trans-Atlantic slave trade.  It is arrogant and grossly ignorant to dream that because something happened before we were born, we are no longer affected by it.  If so, the sacrifices you believe that Jesus Christ made, would have no effect on your life.  Likewise, the oppression and torment slaves were forced to undergo, has caused this country a great deal of stress, years after the Emancipation Proclamation.  There is no way to completely account for the tragedy of slavery, but we can atleast make an attempt at doing so, if not there is going to be a hot time in the old city, believe that!!!!
Title: Re: Reparations
Post by: DJ_Jay_Deee on August 28, 2002, 08:39:35 PM
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It's too late to do anything fair about it, because everyone that was immediately affected by it is dead, and all their descendants got screwed.  Nothing they do will make up for it.  


I agree.
Title: Re: Reparations
Post by: Trauma-san on August 29, 2002, 05:35:43 AM
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Trauma, there is a great chink in your theories.  I have a strong aversion in my heart to part of the song you sing.  The social myths you have invented to help you to sleep better at night are unrealistic, and they come at a great social and psychological expense when they become the views of the aggregate.  

Great mental, social, and economic scars still plaque the descendants of the trans-Atlantic slave trade.  It is arrogant and grossly ignorant to dream that because something happened before we were born, we are no longer affected by it.  If so, the sacrifices you believe that Jesus Christ made, would have no effect on your life.  Likewise, the oppression and torment slaves were forced to undergo, has caused this country a great deal of stress, years after the Emancipation Proclamation.  There is no way to completely account for the tragedy of slavery, but we can atleast make an attempt at doing so, if not there is going to be a hot time in the old city, believe that!!!!


Say who?
Title: Re: Reparations
Post by: Don Seer on August 29, 2002, 05:41:07 AM
ROFL

Title: Re: Reparations
Post by: Sikotic™ on August 29, 2002, 06:29:55 PM
The damage has been done already. Reparations won't reverse it.
Title: Re: Reparations
Post by: Zero4eva on August 29, 2002, 06:36:40 PM
jews got it, so african-americans have to get it as well. reparations can't change or reverse the atrocities of the past but it could be a little step.
Title: Re: Reparations
Post by: pansophy on August 30, 2002, 12:10:02 AM
"...America's historical amnesia about black humiliation and black suffering is seen as a basic prerequisite for a better American future of racial harmony. Yet history-the past and the present as history-will not let us off so easily. The lofty claims of exceptionalism that hold this country to be somehow outside the iron laws of history ring now more hollow than ever. No civilization fails to reap what it sows. No nation escapes the poison of its ignoble paradox."- Cornel West
Title: Re: Reparations
Post by: Political Gangsta on August 30, 2002, 10:09:08 PM
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"...America's historical amnesia about black humiliation and black suffering is seen as a basic prerequisite for a better American future of racial harmony. Yet history-the past and the present as history-will not let us off so easily. The lofty claims of exceptionalism that hold this country to be somehow outside the iron laws of history ring now more hollow than ever. No civilization fails to reap what it sows. No nation escapes the poison of its ignoble paradox."- Cornel West


Thank you, you are one of the Hall's most intriquing voices.  Great quote... Cornel West is one of the greatest intellectuals of our time.  He even made a hip-hop album because he so loved the youth, and desperately wanted to reach them.  He even lost his job at Harvard because of it.  (Among other things)  
Title: Re: Reparations
Post by: M Dogg™ on September 03, 2002, 07:46:03 PM
As I said earlier, we should give all African-Americans who were desentence of slave a generation of free education, and also we should clean up all public schools. We get it all wrong throwning money at situations, we need to thrown knowledge and education, so that we can have people expand their minds, instead of fight on the internet.
Title: Re: Reparations
Post by: Sikotic™ on September 06, 2002, 02:45:54 PM
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As I said earlier, we should give all African-Americans who were desentence of slave a generation of free education, and also we should clean up all public schools. We get it all wrong throwning money at situations, we need to thrown knowledge and education, so that we can have people expand their minds, instead of fight on the internet.


Word about the public schools. So true man.
Title: Re: Reparations
Post by: CharlieBrown on September 08, 2002, 10:17:49 AM
Throw in free health care too
Title: Re: Reparations
Post by: Sikotic™ on September 08, 2002, 06:48:59 PM
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Throw in free health care too


Hell yeah lol