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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Political Gangsta on August 14, 2002, 08:53:04 AM
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Islam, is the natural religion of man, religion which is not associated with any person, people, period, or place. It is the way of nature, the religion of man. In every age, in every country and among every people. All God-knowing and truth loving men have believed and lived this very religion. They were all Muslims, irrespective of whether they called that way Islam. Whatever it's name was, it signified Islam and nothing but Islam.
I CHALLENGE ANYONE TO RESPECTFULLY AND EVEN DISRESPECTFULLY CHALLENGE THAT ISLAM IS NOT THE NATURAL RELIGION OF MAN!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR QUESTIONS AND ATTACKS ON THE RELIGION AND I WILL HAVE A RESPONSE FOR YOU OF KNOWLEDGE WHICH HAS BEEN SOUNDLY PROVEN!!!!!!!!!
MUSLIMS DO NOT BELIEVE THAT FAITH IS BELIEVING WHEN COMMON SENSE TELLS YOU NOT TO. BUT RATHER, THAT FAITH IS A FIRM BELIEF ARISING OUT OF KNOWLEDGE AND CONVICTION!!!!!!!!
We may now begin this discussion, attack as visciously as you would like, or in the deepest respects. All Praises to Allah the Most High.
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If im not mistaken Hinduism and Christianity were around before Islam.
So how is Islam natural religion of man?
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If im not mistaken Hinduism and Christianity were around before Islam.
So how is Islam natural religion of man?
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the biggest and most dificult way to find the wisdom of Islam isnt by reading the Holy Qu'ran.. its by reading the "nature", understand the "nature" and mostly respect the "nature"... .. so indeed Islam is a "natural religion.... (the word natural comes from nature)
im not sure if i can say the same thing for Hinduism and Christianity ...
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I WANT TO QUESTION WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT ISLAM......
CAN YOU TELL ME YOUR FEELINGS ON THE BASIS OF ABROGATION AND SAYUTI'S FEELINGS WHEN PERTAINING TO THE KORAN?
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*NOTE: I have cleared out posts that don't fit into the subject of this thread, to clear the way for discussion. I apologize if this has caused any inconvienances.
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*NOTE: I have cleared out posts that don't fit into the subject of this thread, to clear the way for discussion. I apologize if this has caused any inconvienances.
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wtf is your problem? WHy the fuck did u demodd Infinite? At least u should have givin him a fuckin warning...This is another bad call by Overseer...Infinite didnt just go around deleting anything he felt like deleting, he deleted posts that had nothing too do with the title of the thread...Now u better check ureself overseer...U dont own the world...just because u made a posts that got deleted, u dont have the right too demodd the person who deleted it...Infinite had the right too delete what u said, seeing as it had nothing to do with the thread...It's obvious u demodded Infinite because u hate him...If I were u, I'd buy a book on how too run a Board or something...PeACe
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wtf is your problem? WHy the fuck did u demodd Infinite? At least u should have givin him a fuckin warning...This is another bad call by Overseer...Infinite didnt just go around deleting anything he felt like deleting, he deleted posts that had nothing too do with the title of the thread...Now u better check ureself overseer...U dont own the world...just because u made a posts that got deleted, u dont have the right too demodd the person who deleted it...Infinite had the right too delete what u said, seeing as it had nothing to do with the thread...It's obvious u demodded Infinite because u hate him...If I were u, I'd buy a book on how too run a Board or something...PeACe
Exactly!!!! There were about 14 posts that just said, "this is a stupid thread, because of this and that"..... and I deleted those posts. This is fucking bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I even asked for you to clarify what I could and could not do, and you said nothing about this..... aren't we supposed to stay on topic. Overseer is playing favorites!!!!!!
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what is tha point of this, to prove islam is tha best religion out there
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*NOTE: I have cleared out posts that don't fit into the subject of this thread, to clear the way for discussion. I apologize if this has caused any inconvienances.
Infinite's a prick, LOL. He deleted my post, giving props to islam, and saying It seemed like a great religion. Wouldn't want anybody to think i'm fair, or anything, I guess.
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Exactly!!!! There were about 14 posts that just said, "this is a stupid thread, because of this and that"..... and I deleted those posts. This is fucking bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I even asked for you to clarify what I could and could not do, and you said nothing about this..... aren't we supposed to stay on topic. Overseer is playing favorites!!!!!!
Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I want my bottle. I didn't say it was a stupid thread in mine, and you still deleted it, prick.
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now now Trauma, maybe you're having too much play time
*puts Trauma in the time out room*
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LOL - I just noticed Infinite actually looks like me, too, LOL
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this is tha worst topic i have ever seen, even worse than most of my topics
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Question.
How can a Religion, fabricated by Man, be considered as something "Natural"?
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17 posts and u still aint sayin shit
god damn this must be some kind of record!
lol
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Question.
How can a Religion, fabricated by Man, be considered as something "Natural"?
Your arrogance has not allowed you to expound upon your brief, narrow vision of the eternal truth. If you were to combine your own knowledge with that of the Qu'ran, only then would you reach a realistic conclusion about yourself and the world. And then you could stop relying on conspiracy theories and racisism as your decadent moral code.
In your ignorance and stubborness you have managed to class myth, superstition, and conspiracy theories as the unwritten truth of the day, rather then accepting the oneness of your creator. How saturated your mind is with wicked superstition.
On the subject of Islam a vast territory of darkness lay where knowledge should be. So allow me to cure your disease with knowledge and the water that is wisdom.
Islam is the natural religion of man because Islam teaches you to worship your creator. Throughout history and on all lands and territories of this Earth, there were people who worshipped and believed in the greatness of their creator, and the creator of all things. Even before he was called Allah, and before the religion was called Islam. The Sun and the Moon are both Muslim because they follow a devine pattern set in motion by their creator. You are Muslim at birth. But if you denounce the natural religion of man then you become a rebel of Islam.
Yet, any person on this Earth has been placed here by the creator, and his plan cannot be damaged, obstructed, or skewed in the least bit. Islam will always pervail, and it is the natural religion of nature, and man.
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Your arrogance has not allowed you to expound upon your brief, narrow vision of the eternal truth. If you were to combine your own knowledge with that of the Qu'ran, only then would you reach a realistic conclusion about yourself and the world. And then you could stop relying on conspiracy theories and racisism as your decadent moral code.
In your ignorance and stubborness you have managed to class myth, superstition, and conspiracy theories as the unwritten truth of the day, rather then accepting the oneness of your creator. How saturated your mind is with wicked superstition.
On the subject of Islam a vast territory of darkness lay where knowledge should be. So allow me to cure your disease with knowledge and the water that is wisdom.
Islam is the natural religion of man because Islam teaches you to worship your creator. Throughout history and on all lands and territories of this Earth, there were people who worshipped and believed in the greatness of their creator, and the creator of all things. Even before he was called Allah, and before the religion was called Islam. The Sun and the Moon are both Muslim because they follow a devine pattern set in motion by their creator. You are Muslim at birth. But if you denounce the natural religion of man then you become a rebel of Islam.
Yet, any person on this Earth has been placed here by the creator, and his plan cannot be damaged, obstructed, or skewed in the least bit. Islam will always pervail, and it is the natural religion of nature, and man.
You really didn't answer his question...
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You really didn't answer his question...
You really need to learn how to read.
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Islam is the natural religion of man because Islam teaches you to worship your creator. Throughout history and on all lands and territories of this Earth, there were people who worshipped and believed in the greatness of their creator, and the creator of all things. Even before he was called Allah, and before the religion was called Islam. The Sun and the Moon are both Muslim because they follow a devine pattern set in motion by their creator. You are Muslim at birth. But if you denounce the natural religion of man then you become a rebel of Islam.
Yet, any person on this Earth has been placed here by the creator, and his plan cannot be damaged, obstructed, or skewed in the least bit. Islam will always pervail, and it is the natural religion of nature, and man.
And I will not repeat myself again to you.
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You really need to learn how to read.
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And I will not repeat myself again to you.
Thats all fine and dandy, but how can you tell that what man has been worshiping all this time is real or a farce?
You didn't answer his question...
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Question.
How can a Religion, fabricated by Man, be considered as something "Natural"?
witch religion is fabricated by a man??
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Throughout history and on all lands and territories of this Earth, there were people who worshipped and believed in the greatness of their creator, and the creator of all things. Even before he was called Allah, and before the religion was called Islam.
thats incorrect. buddhists don't believe in god and buddhists cover a large portion of the world's population. Buddhism has been around longer than muslim. what say you.
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witch religion is fabricated by a man??
most of them
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most of them
well..
Islam (& The Qu'ran) is not created by a man
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Thats all fine and dandy, but how can you tell that what man has been worshiping all this time is real or a farce?
You didn't answer his question...
to answer Pansopussys question u'd have to assume he's correct
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well..
Islam (& The Qu'ran) is not created by a man
thats besides the point.. he said they are fabricated by man... if islam was created by god it was changed and interpretated by man....
hence it was changed from gods initial desires.. man is not perfect and man has not perfectly interpreted gods message hence it has been fabricated by man.
notice... a plane did crash into the wtc last year, the pilot was influenced by his religion to do so becuz his religion was fabricated by man...
my point is proven i do believe... if not let me know
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thats besides the point.. he said they are fabricated by man... if islam was created by god it was changed and interpretated by man....
hence it was changed from gods initial desires.. man is not perfect and man has not perfectly interpreted gods message hence it has been fabricated by man.
notice... a plane did crash into the wtc last year, the pilot was influenced by his religion to do so becuz his religion was fabricated by man...
my point is proven i do believe... if not let me know
today's Qu'ran is 100% Identical with the first Qu'ran ever... not a single word have been changed, therefore, Islam havent been influcenced or created or modyfied by any man.. its all completly Gods work..
Over 5000 words in the Bible have been modifyed, so the Bible have been influenced and modyfied and even created by a man (by several men)
there are "crazy" fundamentalist in every religion... just that muslim fundamentalists have more cameras on them... .. yo do know what happens in Ireland for example ... if a catholic walks into a hood with protestant citicents, he might and probably will get killed
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religion is power is hierarchy is hell.
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today's Qu'ran is 100% Identical with the first Qu'ran ever... not a single word have been changed, therefore, Islam havent been influcenced or created or modyfied by any man.. its all completly Gods work..
Over 5000 words in the Bible have been modifyed, so the Bible have been influenced and modyfied and even created by a man (by several men)
there are "crazy" fundamentalist in every religion... just that muslim fundamentalists have more cameras on them... .. yo do know what happens in Ireland for example ... if a catholic walks into a hood with protestant citicents, he might and probably will get killed
come on now man islam is your religion im guessing... maybe its not i dont know but if it is your being pretty blind...
the quran is not the only text which muslims refer to i cant remember the name of the other one... there is the book of interpretation of the quran created by man that is supposed to be a guide for the people to follow... i cant remember the name of it
furthermore, u completely ignored what i said...
the attackers on 9/11 carried out their attack because of their muslim beliefs... beliefs which were distorted from gods initial intentions
dont ignore what i write and try and make a conversation go in circles
either the 9/11 attackers believed in a fabricated islam or god wanted that to happen...
but on top of that consider the nation of islam, a religion based on islam but fabricated and changed a good deal.
consider the fact there are muslim priests i dunno what u call them that preach and give their opinions on how one should live his life.... they interpret the quran at their discretion...
be open minded
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today's Qu'ran is 100% Identical with the first Qu'ran ever... not a single word have been changed, therefore, Islam havent been influcenced or created or modyfied by any man.. its all completly Gods work..
Over 5000 words in the Bible have been modifyed, so the Bible have been influenced and modyfied and even created by a man (by several men)
there are "crazy" fundamentalist in every religion... just that muslim fundamentalists have more cameras on them... .. yo do know what happens in Ireland for example ... if a catholic walks into a hood with protestant citicents, he might and probably will get killed
When you say the bible was 'created' (I assume you mean written) by men, you can say the same thing about the Quoran. You can say, it came from god, but so can I about the bible. The only difference is the bible has been changed, the Qu'ran (I assume from what you said) has not.
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come on now man islam is your religion im guessing... maybe its not i dont know but if it is your being pretty blind...
the quran is not the only text which muslims refer to i cant remember the name of the other one... there is the book of interpretation of the quran created by man that is supposed to be a guide for the people to follow... i cant remember the name of it
furthermore, u completely ignored what i said...
the attackers on 9/11 carried out their attack because of their muslim beliefs... beliefs which were distorted from gods initial intentions
dont ignore what i write and try and make a conversation go in circles
either the 9/11 attackers believed in a fabricated islam or god wanted that to happen...
but on top of that consider the nation of islam, a religion based on islam but fabricated and changed a good deal.
consider the fact there are muslim priests i dunno what u call them that preach and give their opinions on how one should live his life.... they interpret the quran at their discretion...
be open minded
yes, i am a muslim...
and to be short, no part in Islam allows people to kill innocent fellows, so dont bring that 11/9 thing .. i dont consider them as real muslims... and like i said before there are thoose kind of christians to... for example most crazy european dictators were christians, but you dont cee me try to blame it on the Bible...
there are imans (muslim priest) that gives wrong information, thats obvious, nobody is perfect... there are even imans that supports killing every non-muslims... but there are also christian preists that act the same way... and for example alotta priest have been exposed for being pedophiles..specially in Italy and even hear in Sweden, were i live... but i cant blame the Bible on that, since the Bible dont supports men having sex with 10 year kids... and men killing innocent people
and neither does The Qu'ran
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When you say the bible was 'created' (I assume you mean written) by men, you can say the same thing about the Quoran. You can say, it came from god, but so can I about the bible. The only difference is the bible has been changed, the Qu'ran (I assume from what you said) has not.
yes.. my bad.. i ment "written"..
but no.. you're not completley right...
the thing is that according to Qu'ran, the whole book is the work of God, every word are taken from God...
but the Bible is many years written scripts gathered and pressed to the same book. God did not order anybody to write the Bible, neither did he order anybody to name it "Bible".. its all the work of humans... according to you, its correct, but it dont change the fact that God did not order it to be written, therefore its not the words of God, and its not the book of God.
correct me if im wrong though
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yes.. my bad.. i ment "written"..
but no.. you're not completley right...
the thing is that according to Qu'ran, the whole book is the work of God, every word are taken from God...
but the Bible is many years written scripts gathered and pressed to the same book. God did not order anybody to write the Bible, neither did he order anybody to name it "Bible".. its all the work of humans... according to you, its correct, but it dont change the fact that God did not order it to be written, therefore its not the words of God, and its not the book of God.
its more of a book written by people explaining what Christanity is and the history behind it...
correct me if im wrong though
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Oh, I gotcha. That's a good point... however, I'm a latter day saint, and we have two scriptures, the bible, including the old and new testaments, and the book of mormon... we feel and believe that both are from god. Just as the angel Gabriel brought forth the Qu'ran to Muhammad, the Angel Moroni appeared to Joseph Smith to present him with the book of Mormon. If you read the book of mormon, all through it, the lord instructs the prophets who wrote it, to write it. So, it, at least, WAS commanded by god that it should be written.
Muhammad: Visited by Gabriel, received many revelations, and a book, which he couldn't read, because he was illiterate. Through the grace of god, he could read. After his death, his followers group the revelations into a book called the Qu'ran, which means "read" (Or similar), in order of length.
Joseph Smith: Visited by Moroni, received many revelations, and a book, which he couldn't read , because it was written in a form of hyroglyphics. Through the grace of god, he was able to translate it, and it was a record of ancient americans, descendants from a lost tribe of israel. He published the translation as the book of mormon, as well as a book of his revelations, the Doctrine and Covenants. After his death, they added more to the doctrine and covenants, as future prophets received more revelation.
The two religions run almost parallel, there's really not much difference.
Ezekiel Chapter 37, in the bible, specifically mentions the lord telling him to write a book, of the children of Judah. And place it in one hand, and they will have it. Write a second book, for Joseph, the son of Ephraim (a lost tribe of israel), and let him have it. bring the two together, and they will be one in thy hand. This is the bible testifying not only that Ezekiel, and the other prophets, should write the bible, showing the lineage of Judah, but also that the book of mormon, the record of the sons of Ephraim, should be written, and that both are from the lord. Read it for yourself...
Ezekiel 37:15 - 20
15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
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yes, i am a muslim...
and to be short, no part in Islam allows people to kill innocent fellows, so dont bring that 11/9 thing .. i dont consider them as real muslims... and like i said before there are thoose kind of christians to... for example most crazy european dictators were christians, but you dont cee me try to blame it on the Bible...
there are imans (muslim priest) that gives wrong information, thats obvious, nobody is perfect... there are even imans that supports killing every non-muslims... but there are also christian preists that act the same way... and for example alotta priest have been exposed for being pedophiles..specially in Italy and even hear in Sweden, were i live... but i cant blame the Bible on that, since the Bible dont supports men having sex with 10 year kids... and men killing innocent people
and neither does The Qu'ran
your missing things and trying to change what i said to suit your arguement..
i said all religions become fabricated by man.. including christianity your trying to turn this into a christianity verse islam thing.. im not defending christians i never was...
all religions are somewhat fabricated by man... the priests/imams whatever you listen to they all give their own opinions on interpretations of the quran or the bible....
i said all religions are because wars were fought over christian influence as they are now being fought over muslim beliefs..
and whether or not u consider those pepole real muslims they sitll used your religion as a tool to influence people in a way other than god wished...
therefore ur religion has been falsified and fabricated by man
so has christianity and judaism...
if you wish to argue with me, you have to argue against what im saying not make up stuff
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your missing things and trying to change what i said to suit your arguement..
i said all religions become fabricated by man.. including christianity your trying to turn this into a christianity verse islam thing.. im not defending christians i never was...
all religions are somewhat fabricated by man... the priests/imams whatever you listen to they all give their own opinions on interpretations of the quran or the bible....
i said all religions are because wars were fought over christian influence as they are now being fought over muslim beliefs..
and whether or not u consider those pepole real muslims they sitll used your religion as a tool to influence people in a way other than god wished...
therefore ur religion has been falsified and fabricated by man
so has christianity and judaism...
if you wish to argue with me, you have to argue against what im saying not make up stuff
fabricate (fab·ri·cate) = to make up for the purpose of deception
you're claiming that religions are fabricated by men is equal with claiming that the religion is fake. i dont want you to claim that Islam is fake. Islam is not fabricated by any man, it have always existed and will always exist.
btw .. the terrorists are like 0.00000000001% of the Islamic pupulation. their opinions does not reflect what the rest 99.999999999% think and belive in.
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Oh, I gotcha. That's a good point... however, I'm a latter day saint, and we have two scriptures, the bible, including the old and new testaments, and the book of mormon... we feel and believe that both are from god. Just as the angel Gabriel brought forth the Qu'ran to Muhammad, the Angel Moroni appeared to Joseph Smith to present him with the book of Mormon. If you read the book of mormon, all through it, the lord instructs the prophets who wrote it, to write it. So, it, at least, WAS commanded by god that it should be written.
Muhammad: Visited by Gabriel, received many revelations, and a book, which he couldn't read, because he was illiterate. Through the grace of god, he could read. After his death, his followers group the revelations into a book called the Qu'ran, which means "read" (Or similar), in order of length.
Joseph Smith: Visited by Moroni, received many revelations, and a book, which he couldn't read , because it was written in a form of hyroglyphics. Through the grace of god, he was able to translate it, and it was a record of ancient americans, descendants from a lost tribe of israel. He published the translation as the book of mormon, as well as a book of his revelations, the Doctrine and Covenants. After his death, they added more to the doctrine and covenants, as future prophets received more revelation.
The two religions run almost parallel, there's really not much difference.
Ezekiel Chapter 37, in the bible, specifically mentions the lord telling him to write a book, of the children of Judah. And place it in one hand, and they will have it. Write a second book, for Joseph, the son of Ephraim (a lost tribe of israel), and let him have it. bring the two together, and they will be one in thy hand. This is the bible testifying not only that Ezekiel, and the other prophets, should write the bible, showing the lineage of Judah, but also that the book of mormon, the record of the sons of Ephraim, should be written, and that both are from the lord. Read it for yourself...
Ezekiel 37:15 - 20
15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
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yea.. i get your point.. but Ezekiel is not the one who wrote the books, like God commanded,,,
just of curiosity.. when is the book of the mormon written... maby i will take a look in it
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It was written, according to latter day saints, from about 600 B.C., when Lehi left Jerusalem and traveled to america, up until about 400 A.D. , after Christ died, and the Nephites (Lehi's people) were all killed off.
The prophet Joseph Smith translated it (Nobody had heard or seen of it before then) in the 1820's. So, critics would say Joseph Smith wrote it in 1820, latter day saints would say it was written from 600bc-400 a.d, and only translated by Smith.
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It was written, according to latter day saints, from about 600 B.C., when Lehi left Jerusalem and traveled to america, up until about 400 A.D. , after Christ died, and the Nephites (Lehi's people) were all killed off.
The prophet Joseph Smith translated it (Nobody had heard or seen of it before then) in the 1820's. So, critics would say Joseph Smith wrote it in 1820, latter day saints would say it was written from 600bc-400 a.d, and only translated by Smith.
thanx for the info
anybody knows were Joseph Smith put the original after translating ot?
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fabricate (fab·ri·cate) = to make up for the purpose of deception
you're claiming that religions are fabricated by men is equal with claiming that the religion is fake. i dont want you to claim that Islam is fake. Islam is not fabricated by any man, it have always existed and will always exist.
btw .. the terrorists are like 0.00000000001% of the Islamic pupulation. their opinions does not reflect what the rest 99.999999999% think and belive in.
so all the rules in islam that were created to give the male population power were gods will?
or were they possibly fabricated by the male leaders to help maintain male dominance over their women.. it was really nice of god to allow men multiple wives. or perhaps some intelligent leader fabricated the original message to serve a purpose that benefited him.
im not trying to be a jerk, all religions have been tampered with. its easy to see if you are willing to open your eyes
my personal belief is that an open mind is the most important asset a person can have. if you notice how fast children develop and mature compared to adults its quite impressive. Why is a child can cover more ground maturing in 18 yrs than an adult does in 30. personally i think its cuz once u enter adulthood many people lose their ability to maintain an open mind once that happens personal progress halts and u end up being the same with minor differences 30 years later as you are this very day.
u stated you dont want me to tell you islam has been falsified. thats a pretty close minded statement, it tells me your whole arguement is coming from the fact that u refuse to hear a different story from what u have been told before. sometimes being open to possibilities outside ur beliefs is to your benefit.
but its ur life... please dont argue that im wrong though if you refuse to even acknowledge other possiblities simply because its too devasting to imagine that something which has been in existance for so long might not be 100% what god intended
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so all the rules in islam that were created to give the male population power were gods will?
or were they possibly fabricated by the male leaders to help maintain male dominance over their women.. it was really nice of god to allow men multiple wives. or perhaps some intelligent leader fabricated the original message to serve a purpose that benefited him.
im not trying to be a jerk, all religions have been tampered with. its easy to see if you are willing to open your eyes
my personal belief is that an open mind is the most important asset a person can have. if you notice how fast children develop and mature compared to adults its quite impressive. Why is a child can cover more ground maturing in 18 yrs than an adult does in 30. personally i think its cuz once u enter adulthood many people lose their ability to maintain an open mind once that happens personal progress halts and u end up being the same with minor differences 30 years later as you are this very day.
u stated you dont want me to tell you islam has been falsified. thats a pretty close minded statement, it tells me your whole arguement is coming from the fact that u refuse to hear a different story from what u have been told before. sometimes being open to possibilities outside ur beliefs is to your benefit.
but its ur life... please dont argue that im wrong though if you refuse to even acknowledge other possiblities simply because its too devasting to imagine that something which has been in existance for so long might not be 100% what god intended
1. Islam Does NOT Tell The Men To Maintain A Dominance Over The Women. I Urge You To Read The Holy Qu'ran And Highlight The Places That Shows That The Men Are More Worth That The Women, On Contrary, Its Written That Women Treasures And Should Be Treated With Respect
2. A Muslim Man Have The Right To Have More Than One Women Because Islam Take The Humans For What They Are. Its A Known Fact That Often When Countries Dont Get Along, They Declare War. Alotta Young Unmarried Men Dies During The War, Witch Means That Theres Much More Women In A Country. Islam See Mariage As A Human Right, But If Every Man Would Get Married, Alotta Women Would Be Left Alone, THATS The Reason Why A Man Have The Right To Have More Than 1 Women, To Make Sure That Every Women Will Be Blessed With The Right To Have A Man By Her Side... Now Tell Me.. Does That Sound Unfair ??? ???
3. You Come Here And Basicly Calls Islam For Bullshit, And You Want Me To Be Openminded?? If I Would Say That Maby Your Mother Is A Whore, Could I Expect You To Be "Openminded" And Discuss About Wether She Is A Whore Or Not ??? You Have Absolutley No Proof, But Still You Claim That Islam Is Looking Down On Females, And That The Scripts Of Islam Have Been Edited By A Man, When The Truth Actualy Is That Islam Is The ONLY Religion Witch Havent Been Edited By A Human Bein.
And By The Way, I HAvent Seen ANY Mature 18 Years Old Kids. The Older You Get, The Wiser You Get, Thats A Fact.. Would You Claim That You Are More Mature Than Your Father?? And For The Open Minded Part: The Older You Ge, The More Information You Gather And The Easier You Will Have To Remove Bullshit From Realistic Issues. If You Wanna Call It Being Close Minded, Its Your Call...
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i already said a few times its unfair to argue if your going to make up things that i said...
i never attacked islam. someone came on here and said religion is fabricated by man.
u then replied "which religion is fabricated by man"
i said most of them... never did i single out muslim until u brought muslim into an agruement so i went with the flow cuz u brought it up and this topic is basically about islam..
im a christian and included my religion in that comment... now you are coming at me trying to turn me into a muslim hater or some shit i have no idea.
secondly i never said the quran has been edited by a man again you are putting words in my mouth. i said the priests interpret it in their own way to the people, i also said that there is another book i cant recall the name of it that is interpretations of the quran which is a major part of the islam religion actually i believe it is referred to as the hadith.. the hadith was not written by god it was written by men 100 or so years after muhammad died.
finally i really dont follow muslim beliefs that much, im not muslim. all i was getting at is that religion is influenced by man... granted muhammad wrote the quran but its up to man to decide the interpretation of how to follow it since muhammad is long since passed. at times all religions are used in ways in which god has not intended
wars have been fought over every religion, politics influence every religion. the world is not perfect and its crazy to believe even the best religion if such a thing exists has not been distorted in the slightest bit
if u think otherwise its ur life...
i never came at you and called ur mom a whore which is what u compared my attack to doing i never even attacked ur religion directly... i criticized all things equally included my own religion
you went off the wall with accusations towards me and changed my words around go back and read my posts and then compare them to your counters they dont even match up..
so whatever... have a day
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1. Islam Does NOT Tell The Men To Maintain A Dominance Over The Women. I Urge You To Read The Holy Qu'ran And Highlight The Places That Shows That The Men Are More Worth That The Women, On Contrary, Its Written That Women Treasures And Should Be Treated With Respect
2. A Muslim Man Have The Right To Have More Than One Women Because Islam Take The Humans For What They Are. Its A Known Fact That Often When Countries Dont Get Along, They Declare War. Alotta Young Unmarried Men Dies During The War, Witch Means That Theres Much More Women In A Country. Islam See Mariage As A Human Right, But If Every Man Would Get Married, Alotta Women Would Be Left Alone, THATS The Reason Why A Man Have The Right To Have More Than 1 Women, To Make Sure That Every Women Will Be Blessed With The Right To Have A Man By Her Side... Now Tell Me.. Does That Sound Unfair ??? ???
3. You Come Here And Basicly Calls Islam For Bullshit, And You Want Me To Be Openminded?? If I Would Say That Maby Your Mother Is A Whore, Could I Expect You To Be "Openminded" And Discuss About Wether She Is A Whore Or Not ??? You Have Absolutley No Proof, But Still You Claim That Islam Is Looking Down On Females, And That The Scripts Of Islam Have Been Edited By A Man, When The Truth Actualy Is That Islam Is The ONLY Religion Witch Havent Been Edited By A Human Bein.
And By The Way, I HAvent Seen ANY Mature 18 Years Old Kids. The Older You Get, The Wiser You Get, Thats A Fact.. Would You Claim That You Are More Mature Than Your Father?? And For The Open Minded Part: The Older You Ge, The More Information You Gather And The Easier You Will Have To Remove Bullshit From Realistic Issues. If You Wanna Call It Being Close Minded, Its Your Call...
pansophy wrote taht most religions are fabricated by men, and you agreed. .. and then you also claimed that "all religions are fabricated by man" --> all religions are fake, but still you contradict yourself by claiming being christian...
then you claimed that Islam gives men more power to " maintain male dominance over their women", witch is false
then you ask me to be open monded when you claim that the religion of Islam is bullshit...??
soo how can you now claim that you never attacked Islam... all the negative "facts" you gave were all false... you didnt say a shit correct... so what am i supposed to belive??
like you said.. war have been fought in generations, but Islam is the only religion thats admitting it and doing something for the women because of the war...
Infinite made this thread for yall to attack Islam for having negative sides, but you have only written lies and contradictions
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ok consider this...
im sorry my definition of fabricated was incorrect, by fabricated i meant it was changed to fit different groups needs...
not that it was bullshit i thought i was eluding to that, but u keep accusing me of calling your whole religion bullshit when i have never done so.. i simply said that it has been changed up from its original intentions slightly as have all religions..
i have never given any negative "facts" as you have said, becuz i have never refered to anything i have given as fact.. i have told you that i dont know much about islam.
my agrument was that all religions have been fabricated by man from what god originaly had desired them to become... i used what limited knowledge i possess from my interactions with people of different religions, stuff i have learned in school, and world news to try and show you a different side of things..
yet you continually attack me and change what i say..
i gave u futher evidence what i said was true by pointing out that the hadith is also a highly refereced muslim text that was created by man..
u tried to infer that your whole religion was based on god... all im saying is that men have interpreted muslim as they have interpreted christianity and judaism... if u were christian i would have argued using christian points but there is no point for that
u completely skip over points i make and change others to suit your arguement... and to be blunt you are kind of getting annoying...
i dont know what other way to properly explain myself to you since if i create a logical explanation u will simply manipulate it and then reply back to a made up post u think i made...
your method of arguement is one of the most commonly used methods by those with nothing to say.. its called running an arguement in a circle, a new point is brought up and u mis interpret it or try and bring up an old one to make the conversation drag out until finally one person gives in...
and since this is the internet its very easy to do this...
so right now i have wasted about a half hr of my time on this... u made one good point about the reason for multiple marriages which i normally would argue against just for the sake of arguement cuz thats what this whole post is about... but im sure there would be no point to that either cuz u would simply continue to make no sense...
have a day im done
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Joseph Smith claims the Angel moroni gave him the book of mormon (showed him where it was buried), and took and gave it back to him several times, and finally took it with him.
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Joseph Smith claims the Angel moroni gave him the book of mormon (showed him where it was buried), and took and gave it back to him several times, and finally took it with him.
Joseph Smith sounds like a great man, a strong moral leader, and may the peace of God be unto him!
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Thank you. All 3 are appropriate in his case, lol.
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Joseph Smith...tell me thats not the most common name.