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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on January 16, 2004, 10:12:50 PM
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Name some real Hip-Hop tracks with a strong message/story...Could be political, could be story-telling, could be anything...Just list 'em here...
I'll start of with Immortal Tech - "Dance With The Devil"
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Roscoe - The Brother
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nelly - ride with me
ja rule - every thug needs a hug
chingy - right thurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
mc hammer - cant touch this
vanilla ice - ice ice baby
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Okay, now lets make a real thread...PeACe
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ok want a real thread its a lil album called illmatic
CLOSE THREAD
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chingy - right thurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
definitely
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Nas - Drunk By Myself
Goodie Mob - I Didn't Ask To Come
Cormega - The True Meaning
Non-Phixion - Say Goodbye To Yesterday
Talib Kweli - The Proud
Ghostface - All that I Got Is You
there's alot
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Zack De La Rocha & DJ Shadow - March Of Death
Wildchild - Wonder Years
Defari - Look Into My Eyes
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KRS One - Outta Here
My favourite KRS One track. 8)
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Brother Ali - Picket Fence
Talib Kweli - Get By
Immortal Technique - You Never Know
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Well.. too many Pac tracks!
So....
51.50 - Games People Play
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BootCamp Clik - I Realize
Afu Ra - Equality
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Pete Rock & CL Smooth - TROY
Gangstarr - Code Of The Streets
Cormega - Fallen Soldiers
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smiff n wessun - bucktown
jeru the damaja - coem clean
black moon - how many emcees
black moon - who got the props
az an nas - mo murder mo homicide
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ok want a real thread its a lil album called illmatic
CLOSE THREAD
Why close thread? LOL...It doesn't stop at "Illmatic"...PeACe
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No such thing as real Hip Hop. All Hip Hop is real.
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Nas, Dance
Jay Z, Dead Presidents 2
2pac, White Manz World
Biggie, Juicy
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No such thing as real Hip Hop. All Hip Hop is real.
So there is a such thing as real hiphop. There's just no such thing as fake hiphop then ::)
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Nas - Destroy & Rebuild
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So there is a such thing as real hiphop. There's just no such thing as fake hiphop then ::)
Can you explain what Real Hip Hop is?
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I think that Hip-Hop can be fake. Because hip-hop used to be expression, and in 1996, I would say, yeah no Hip-Hop is fake, just different. But now you have record lables making fake Hip-Hop, not the artist, not the producers, but the record lables limited what Hip-Hop artist can say. I missed the days when lables knew nothing, or if a lable like Def Jam, they just allowed complete artistic freedom. Now lables like Interscope and Def Jam/Island, limit what artist can really say, and alter Hip-Hop to be lable generated to produce maxium profits. Real Hip-Hop is rap music that is from the artist, raw. What the artist wants to put out, not what the lable alters to sell. Back in the days, lables limited some songs because of controvery, now they limit for sales. That's fake Hip-Hop. Oh for the list
Nas - Lost Tapes
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The only time Hip Hop is not real, is when outsiders come in. I.E. when people like Britney Spears, Madonna etc.
I don't see how Nelly, Chingy, Ja, etc. are fake. People say that because they're so popular, have sold and are not the greatest rappers around. So be it. But, they still make Hip Hop tracks. I don't see how someone could call "Air Force Onez" fake, but bump "My Adidas." Real Hip Hop is what's REAL to the artist. If Chingy is talking about his chain, or if Ja is talking about his loves this chick, that's real to them. Is it not? I'm a big KRS fan, but he fucked up Hip Hop with that whol Real Hip Hop idea. Club jams don't mean you're fake, where do you think Hip Hop started? The parks, block parties, clubs. Talking about your money doesn't mean you're fake, they've been doing it since jump. Talking about loving women in your raps doesn't mean you're fake, it's been going on for years.
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I'm not saying Air Force Ones is fake. I'm saying music that is altered to sell is fake. When an artist is force to sound a way to sell. Like DMX, he is under contract to make a Cd in a certain style.... that's real... or when the record lables hear the beats used before the artist. The artist should be the one choicing his music, not the lables. Shit, if Nelly wants to sing about Air Force Ones, thats fine. But is it because he wants to, or because the lable pushed it out. With Nelly, I think his a throwback to Run-DMC, so whatever. But other artist, what are they doing?
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I'm not saying Air Force Ones is fake. I'm saying music that is altered to sell is fake. When an artist is force to sound a way to sell. Like DMX, he is under contract to make a Cd in a certain style.... that's real... or when the record lables hear the beats used before the artist. The artist should be the one choicing his music, not the lables. Shit, if Nelly wants to sing about Air Force Ones, thats fine. But is it because he wants to, or because the lable pushed it out. With Nelly, I think his a throwback to Run-DMC, so whatever. But other artist, what are they doing?
That wasn't aimed at you, but aight.
Labels have been choosing directions for artists for a long time. You think Hammer or Bel Biv Devoe wanted to come out like a gangstas? Nope. But at the time they came out like that, it was the craze. Their labels pushed it. It's about sales, we all know that. Just like all these people using Lil Jon or Kanye West beats. They're doing it because it's what's popular(even though the beats are tight). All these rappers now talking about being gangsta/slanging drugs, from 50 to Jay-Z, only do it because it sells. It's all about trends.
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Luniz - I Got 5 On It
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ok SGV, i just said that shit cause ur statement was kinda contradictive, i didn't have any point other than that and basically i agree with what you said after
no, I can't explain what "real" hiphop is, as well as i can't explain what "fake" hiphop is because i don't use these expressions and i don't like them bein used by others either cuz it's sumthin people say without thinkin about what it's supposed to mean. i don't consider any hiphop "fake", the adidas/air force ones thing was a good point. MC's been signed to labels that told em how to do shit for a while, mc's been talkin bout cars, shine, bitches and cash for ages (what did epmd stand for?). Only i think hiphop's commercial success and large audience which includes people who are basically just pop listeners who occasionally listen to sum hiphop have got people to consider sum hiphop "fake". Sound-wise hiphop has changed and alot of hiphop is pop music nowadays. I guess that's why people call sum shit "fake" and blame the subjects those mc's are on....what people don't realize is mc's used to talk about that shit 10 years ago too, only the sound was different and hiphop as a culture was at a different stage
and as for KRS-ONE i don't like him trippin on what "real HipHop" is either, him talkin bout people havin to spell it "HipHop" with 2 capital H's and not "hip-hop", inventing phrases the letters stand for etc. That shit ain't necessary. HipHop is a part of pop culture and people need to get along with it instead of trippin on what is "real" and what is "fake". Listen to whatever u like
the only way to define "fake" hiphop for me would be a purely aesthetic one, like music that tries to sound like hiphop^but isn't, but then u'd have to be able to make a clear difference between music that tries to be hiphop and hiphop. and that's not really possible either. but u can't tell if sumbody's "real" or "fake" cause of what they talk about. Nelly is real hiphop. Whether u like it or not
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C'N'N - Live On Live Long
Big L - Street Struck
Cormega - Therapy
Rae & Ghost - Heaven & Hell
Styles - Listen
Goodie Mob - The Day After, Thought Process, O.M.N.I.
Sticky Fingaz - Baby Boy
Gangstarr - Robbin Hood Theory
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hip hop was fake jus befo nwa came out, afta a heavy start niggaz started rappin to much about bling n how niggaz are rich n shit, which was fake since actually niggaz were husltin, livin ruf lifes n shit, n then nwa dropped n pretty much told how shit really was..........
so if ya wanna hear some real shit,
check nwa - straight outta compton
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^word, SOC!!
but yeah,
"Reflection Eternal" :)
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No such thing as real Hip Hop. All Hip Hop is real.
So according to you Aaron Carter is equal to Rakim...
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So according to you Aaron Carter is equal to Rakim...
Please read ALL posts first. The only time Hip Hop is not real, is when outsiders come in. I.E. when people like Britney Spears, Madonna etc.
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So according to you Aaron Carter is equal to Rakim...
Please read ALL posts first. The only time Hip Hop is not real, is when outsiders come in. I.E. when people like Britney Spears, Madonna etc.
Aaron Carter raps...Why is he an outsider? Your statement is a major contradiction...PeACe
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God I hate that term "real hip hop" or "true hip hop".
To follow with the thread
A gang of public enemy's music
Above The Law - Black Superman
Ice Cube - Us
Makaveli feat Bad Azz - Krazy
The Stop Movement - Down With Us
Big Mike - Havin Thangs
Scarface - I Seen a Man Die
Nas - Blackness
King Tee - Black Together Again
Too $hort - The Ghetto
Outkast - Growing Old
Kam - Peace Treaty
Kam - Keep the Peace
Dr. Dre, Snoop, RBX - The Day the Niggas Took Over
DJ Quik - Is You a Ganskxta
Q-Tip and Common Sense - Remedy
Roscoe - Cheers
WC and the MAAD Circle - Wet Dream
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Aaron Carter raps...Why is he an outsider? Your statement is a major contradiction...PeACe
So then Madonna, Britney Spears, Deborah Harry, guy from 98 Degrees, etc are all rappers? By your statement, they're rappers? No. Just because you rap, that don't make you a rapper. Just like, just because you talk gangsta shit, don't mean you are gangsta. Those people, Aaron Carter included, are outsiders in Hip Hop. They're NOT Rappers.
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Mos Def - Body Rock
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Just because a lot of people say there is no such thing as "Fake" or "Real" Hip-Hop doesn't mean that every rapper is automatically equal. Or every moron who thinks they can rap, such as Aaron Carter. No matter how bad of a level some of the popular hip-hop music gets to, no one can ever deny there is a difference in quality. Rakim obviously has much better rap quality than Aaron Carter, but that doesn't mean that it's fake. I tend to respect rappers who rap because they have something they want to say as opposed to rappers who rap to make money. The ones who make more money are more well-known, obviously, because they are appealing to the larger population of listeners.. the pop music heads who like anything they'll play on TRL. I don't like Nelly, 50 Cent, Ja Rule, and all of the people who rap to make money and have nothing insightful to say other than they like hoes and money. But, I do accept that they are rappers, which everyone has to, because they are. However bad their rap may be and however stupid their lyrics may be, they're still rappers.
I have much more respect for people like Eminem who has found a medium between making money and expressing his thoughts. He puts about 2 "Happy Rap" songs on his albums and then expresses his thoughts for the rest, which gets him money and still conveys an actual thought. I don't have much respect for people who are just in it for the money.
I don't give a shit if people want to give in to the popular trends to try and make some money. I understand this is America and everyone wants to get rich, but if you don't have anything good to say, I don't respect you much as a rapper. I just hope rap never gets to the level where people like Technique, Mos, and Kweli disappear, because they are among the highest quality of rappers. Maybe you can't say they're any realer than Nelly and Ja Rule, but you can't deny the quality is there.