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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: infinite59 on July 10, 2002, 12:35:09 PM
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Anyone else is welcome to drop in their two cents.
Yo Tech, my roomate (a Christian) and I like to have debates, Islam vs. Christianity, Palestine vs. Isreal.
He was telling me that it says in the Old Testament that the Jews were Gods chosen people and that He gave Jerusalam to the Jews. And then thousands of years later, Muslims came and conquered some territories in Jerusalam, stole their land, and now that is the center of the Palestinian/Isreal conflict. And since the Jews had it first, he takes Isreals side always.
How would you argue that point?
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Anyone else is welcome to drop in their two cents.
Yo Tech, my roomate (a Christian) and I like to have debates, Islam vs. Christianity, Palestine vs. Isreal.
He was telling me that it says in the Old Testament that the Jews were Gods chosen people and that He gave Jerusalam to the Jews. And then thousands of years later, Muslims came and conquered some territories in Jerusalam, stole their land, and now that is the center of the Palestinian/Isreal conflict. And since the Jews had it first, he takes Isreals side always.
How would you argue that point?
some will say tha land was rightfully theres 1st an some will say that they took over tha land thousands of years ago so that argument is irrevelant
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if palestinians give back all the land they settled in thousands of years ago, does that mean that the american government has to give back everything to the Native Americans?....
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if palestinians give back all the land they settled in thousands of years ago, does that mean that the american government has to give back everything to the Native Americans?....
good point, its the same deal, hopefully palestinians wont get wiped out like that
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good point, its the same deal, hopefully palestinians wont get wiped out like that
That wasn't what he was saying though dogg.... Jamal was comparing the Native Americans to the Jews and the Palestinians to the Americans.
And yo..... Tom actually said the right argument I think, but I'm still waitin on Tizzech
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I dont take any side in the conflict anymore. It's too big of a mess with too much petty bullshit involved.
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ive been avoiding the whole Mid East conflict because its so conflicting and frustrating but Ill attempt to answer ya question
umm...see the thing is, first of all the whole moral justification is way off, cuz you cant say this land belongs to so and so, cuz thats what my bible says
Muslims can say the same thing, "This is the Dome of the Rock, where the Prophet left for Heaven from". We CAN use the same argument
Another thing is, Technically Arabs are the children of Abraham too. They are Semites as well just like the Jews.
And, when the Muslims controlled Jerusalem, Jews, Christains and Muslims lived in peace for centuries, but when the Jews took over, theres been bloodshed
Basically, I would tell em, that the whole argument is void, there cant be a justification based on a religious prophecy.
There is no precedent for that, and you simply cant take land from some one cuz your religion tells u, thats ethnocentricity, forcing your beliefs on everybody
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That wasn't what he was saying though dogg.... Jamal was comparing the Native Americans to the Jews and the Palestinians to the Americans.
And yo..... Tom actually said the right argument I think, but I'm still waitin on Tizzech
wow i actually said tha right thing
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Im impressed Tom!! :D
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They should learn to share lizzol, its like they r running in circles over this shit
-{bLaDe}
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Infinite been on here 20 years. What a loser.
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God did choose Jews to be his people but they rebelled and he cut them lose. Israel was to be their land. After he sent various prophets, kings and they continually rejected them and kilt them he came to earth in the flesh, Jesus Christ, King Of The Jews. He was rejected as well. The temple was destroyed and Jews were dispersed around the globe. That's the short answer. On a deeper level what God originally intended for Jews was applied to believers of Christ both Jews and Gentiles. There was the old covenant of the law and the new one of faith. The old and new testament. Jesus fulfilled the law and it ushered in the new covenant. There will be a new heaven and new earth with new jerusalem coming down from heaven onto earth. This is the inheritance of abraham that people are fighting for that isn't meant for now.
The land of Israel in terms of war belongs to whoever conquers it. It just is what it is. What's not understood is that it is special to God and he's not going to let it be destroyed. That has been misunderstood that God is in the side of Jewish people, the government of Israel, judaism etc. No, it's the physical land itself that will cause him to protect it...
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God did choose Jews to be his people but they rebelled and he cut them lose. Israel was to be their land. After he sent various prophets, kings and they continually rejected them and kilt them he came to earth in the flesh, Jesus Christ, King Of The Jews. He was rejected as well. The temple was destroyed and Jews were dispersed around the globe. That's the short answer. On a deeper level what God originally intended for Jews was applied to believers of Christ both Jews and Gentiles. There was the old covenant of the law and the new one of faith. The old and new testament. Jesus fulfilled the law and it ushered in the new covenant. There will be a new heaven and new earth with new jerusalem coming down from heaven onto earth. This is the inheritance of abraham that people are fighting for that isn't meant for now.
The land of Israel in terms of war belongs to whoever conquers it. It just is what it is. What's not understood is that it is special to God and he's not going to let it be destroyed. That has been misunderstood that God is in the side of Jewish people, the government of Israel, judaism etc. No, it's the physical land itself that will cause him to protect it...
LOL NOT EXACTLY FAM
IM NOT HERE TO BASH YOUR RELIGION, BUT THE NEW TESTAMENT CONTRADICTS A LOT OF THE OLD TESTAMENT, WHICH CHRISIANS VALUE AS DIVINE
IT MAKES ZERO SENSE
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Damn..times have changed.. this really takes me back. This was in the days after Sept. 11th era of politics.
I don't remember making this thread and I don't remember debating my roommate about this either. All I remember was that he was way deeper into the scripture than I was and whatever shit he was speaking was over my head at the time. I never really went to church growing up; and I was only a new Muslim just hearing about the Holy Land of Jerusalem for the first time.
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LOL NOT EXACTLY FAM
IM NOT HERE TO BASH YOUR RELIGION, BUT THE NEW TESTAMENT CONTRADICTS A LOT OF THE OLD TESTAMENT, WHICH CHRISIANS VALUE AS DIVINE
IT MAKES ZERO SENSE
Cool story bro!
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Damn..times have changed.. this really takes me back. This was in the days after Sept. 11th era of politics.
I don't remember making this thread and I don't remember debating my roommate about this either. All I remember was that he was way deeper into the scripture than I was and whatever shit he was speaking was over my head at the time. I never really went to church growing up; and I was only a new Muslim just hearing about the Holy Land of Jerusalem for the first time.
what’s your take on the conflict nowadays
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what’s your take on the conflict nowadays
Israel is the country pushing vaxxine passports the hardest so I don't trust um
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Israel is the country pushing vaxxine passports the hardest so I don't trust um
Stfu wannabe mooslim.
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Stfu wannabe mooslim.
What makes a person a real Muslim by your definition? Professed the faith? Pray the 5 prayers? Wear a beard? Read the Qur'an? Do they have to have performed the Hajj? Speak Arabic? Lived in a Muslim country?
...just curious what your definition of a Muslim is to see if I can meet your standard.
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Israel is the country pushing vaxxine passports the hardest so I don't trust um
and all the muslim countries require vaccination to travel there.. u agree wit that?
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What makes a person a real Muslim by your definition? Professed the faith? Pray the 5 prayers? Wear a beard? Read the Qur'an? Do they have to have performed the Hajj? Speak Arabic? Lived in a Muslim country?
...just curious what your definition of a Muslim is to see if I can meet your standard.
Either way you don't qualify.
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and all the muslim countries require vaccination to travel there.. u agree wit that?
They are 85 dumb, deaf, and blind and misled by those who manipulate what God create.. the Muslim countries are just following what the Bill Gates owned WHO (World Hell Organization) guidelines have written for them... they have been puppets since WW1... they will continue to follow whatever is being done in America and Britain..the last Muslim world leader to have any real power behind his name was Sultan Abdul Hamid of the Ottoman Empire prior to WW1 who ruled Jerusalem in peace and allowed safe passage to all but refused to sell it to the British and Zionists and subsequently met his untimely demise
Israel on the other hand is the 10%... they are deliberately trying to mislead the blind, deaf, and dumb. Prime Misleader of Israel Netanyahu says he envisions Israel as the vaxxine manufacturer of the world.. ain't no vaxx being manufactured in no Muslim country they are recipients...once they start injecting those Palestinians with the vaxx the generations that follow will face a subtle but significant decrease in female child births..
...I represent the 5% poor righteous teacher telling the people to trust their God given immune system, don't fall victim to the fear, and don't believe the hype of the Zionist controlled and Masonic controlled Mass Media or you will be an 85 Sheep