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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Don Seer on January 26, 2004, 06:41:01 AM
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i dont understand how people can have things like the following in their posts.
"free ras kass"
he committed a crime... drink driving, not his first offence, or the first one involving DUI, actually he killed someone before DUI and still hasnt learnt his lesson.
some stupid people got it twisted, because the original 'free ras kass' campaign wasnt about his DUI thing, but because of efforts he made to get himself 'freed' or released from priority.
"free tray deee"
tray deee isnt inn jail for that shooting incident, but he was a major suspect, and then the police raided his house in fontana, and the police found guns that were unlicenced..
think he was probably on parole too..
"free lil hd"
was on parole frmo something else, and got caught doing a robbery... oops
and free yayo, free suge.. free bg knoccout.. etc etc
in my book, dont do the crime if you can do the time..
just because they're rappers they shouldnt be exempt.
and the main reason is these dumb dick riding groupies want music.
so.. am i right?
do these groupies have it twisted?
i think they do.
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I'm feeling you on this one Seer. The original thing with Ras Kass, as you said was getting him freed from his contract at Priority. Then he got put in jail and people seemed to think that we were saying free Ras Kass from jail. He did a crime, so he has to do the time, no questions asked, just cause he's a rapper doesn't make him above the law.
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Well i'm a lawyer! ;D
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You got my vote !
There are so many stories I could post up about this topic.
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Oh hell yeah, I feel ya Seer.
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I definetly agree. Although that Ras situation with Freeing him comes from Plantation Records (As Waitin For The DJ already pointed out.)
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guess which forum inspired this thread :)
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just because they're rappers they shouldnt be exempt.
word !!
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i dont understand how people can have things like the following in their posts.
"free ras kass"
he committed a crime... drink driving, not his first offence, or the first one involving DUI, actually he killed someone before DUI and still hasnt learnt his lesson.
some stupid people got it twisted, because the original 'free ras kass' campaign wasnt about his DUI thing, but because of efforts he made to get himself 'freed' or released from priority.
"free tray deee"
tray deee isnt inn jail for that shooting incident, but he was a major suspect, and then the police raided his house in fontana, and the police found guns that were unlicenced..
think he was probably on parole too..
"free lil hd"
was on parole frmo something else, and got caught doing a robbery... oops
and free yayo, free suge.. free bg knoccout.. etc etc
in my book, dont do the crime if you can do the time..
just because they're rappers they shouldnt be exempt.
and the main reason is these dumb dick riding groupies want music.
so.. am i right?
do these groupies have it twisted?
i think they do.
HELL YEAH! LOL Damn, I owe you a cookie or something. I've been screaming this for years, people are so fucking ignorant. "Free Ras Kass" Shit, "Extend Ras Kass's Sentence" is what I'd be wearing.
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guess which forum inspired this thread :)
Daz forum.
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8)
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i thought the forum that inspired this thread was that 'free dipset' bullshit...
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Damn straight!
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Yeah, I agree. Just because they're rappers doesn't make them "untouchable" or something...they're humans, just like anybody else.
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in my book, dont do the crime if you can do the time..
just because they're rappers they shouldnt be exempt.
word
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110% agree. Its like.. everyone knew if Suge was in jail that Crook wouldnt drop. And Rass.. how stupid can you be. I have no respect for drinking and driving. He shouldve joined AA and focused on getting off Priority instead of driving "Drunk By Himself!" *Nas plug*
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Haha, that is totally reading my mind right there! The other day I was reading a post here and someone's banner said in huge writing 'FREE TRAY DEEE' and I was tempted to go post 'why?' but I didn't wanna start a war! ;) I mean no disrespect becuase I like Tray Deee but I share the exact same view point as 'Seer here. These are grown men who perform these crimes - they should know the consequences of their actions and as a result have to face up to them. So yeah I'm gonna go with 'you're sooooo right' :D
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I could give a shit if Tray Deee killed the president, I still say Free HIm!
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I want him freed - just after he's paid debt to society. ;)
lol, seems everyone is agreeing with 'Seer on this one - this must be going to his head a little! ;D
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I could give a shit if Tray Deee killed the president, I still say Free HIm!
That's different, I'd carry him on my shoulders if he killed the President ;D Lol, just playing Americans.
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and anyways to really get to the point....
Just cause somebody broke the law, and a judge decided that person needs to spend time in jail, means that you have to agree with that judge?
Hell no! what if your own brother was in jail for committing a crime. How many of yall are gonna be like, "oh yeah, fuck him, he did the crime he's gotta do the time."
Not many I bet. Most people would want their brother out as soon as possible. And plus fuck jail, fuck that place. Most people I believe do not deserve to be locked up. Tray Deee, Ras Kass, and Half Dead all don't deserve to be locked up. Maybe slap some big ass fines on them, but they don't deserve to be behind bars.
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and anyways to really get to the point....
Just cause somebody broke the law, and a judge decided that person needs to spend time in jail, means that you have to agree with that judge?
Hell no! what if your own brother was in jail for committing a crime. How many of yall are gonna be like, "oh yeah, fuck him, he did the crime he's gotta do the time."
Not many I bet. Most people would want their brother out as soon as possible. And plus fuck jail, fuck that place. Most people I believe do not deserve to be locked up. Tray Deee, Ras Kass, and Half Dead all don't deserve to be locked up. Maybe slap some big ass fines on them, but they don't deserve to be behind bars.
why the hell not?!
if you did a crime why should you get sentenced just like the next man?
just because you're a rapper?
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i also wanna say one more thing
ALL the three you mentioned... have previous records. = habitual criminals
hell Ras Kass even killed someone before for the very offence he is STILL committing.. how stupid is that?
and you think he doesnt deserve time? even he didnt dispute the sentence, he only ran so he could sort his situation out so his fam will eat while he's inside.
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Okay, now try looking at it from this perspective. Imagine Tray Deee (I'm just using this as an exmple since his name was mentioned last) was part of a gun crime that involved a member of your family being seriously injured or worse. How would you look at that person then? I don't care if that was my closest friend in the world if he killed my brother, father, whatever I would tell the judge to lock him up and throw away the key...
And, like someone else said earlier, if they do the crime they should do the time. Just because they are rich rappers doesn't make them exempt from the law. People get sentance to life sentances all the time for the same crimes Ras, Tray, and all them took part in. They usually get a lesser sentance anyway - that to me is more than fair. Like the Snoop case for example. I'm a huge Snoop fan and I'm not here to argue if he was innocent or guilty but I strongly believe that had that been any other regular member of society that person would've been punished severely.
And if my brother commited a crime and was sentanced to jail I'd be too shocked and dissapointed to protest his sentance. And of course I'd stand by him because he's family but that doesn't mean that I think what he did is right or that he doesn't deserve to be punished. Its simple to me. You commit that crime, you're wise enough to know the consequences of what's coming and accept it like a man. Can't handle it? Don't do it.
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You're 100% right. But, with Ras it was more "Free Ras from Priority." Same thing they did with the Lox.
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and anyways to really get to the point....
Just cause somebody broke the law, and a judge decided that person needs to spend time in jail, means that you have to agree with that judge?
Hell no! what if your own brother was in jail for committing a crime. How many of yall are gonna be like, "oh yeah, fuck him, he did the crime he's gotta do the time."
Not many I bet. Most people would want their brother out as soon as possible. And plus fuck jail, fuck that place. Most people I believe do not deserve to be locked up. Tray Deee, Ras Kass, and Half Dead all don't deserve to be locked up. Maybe slap some big ass fines on them, but they don't deserve to be behind bars.
My big brotha (from anotha motha) was in jail for some bullshit that he did and you know what Grundy Loc.. I was glad cuz for once in his life he got a rude awakening. I visited him every month for over two years up in Tehachapi, Cal State Prison and it hella sucked.. but he did the crime and it was good for him to do the time. I wanted him to learn so he wouldnt go back.. and he hasnt. He wasnt my real brother, but our families consider us all brothers since we was like 6. Hes 35 now and Im 32 (next month) and we got kids so Im glad he learned that lesson at a younger age. Thats real.
Also, drinking and driving desearves jail time homie. There are alot of little kids who died cuz of drinkin and driving. Think about it dogg..
Ax
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and anyways to really get to the point....
Just cause somebody broke the law, and a judge decided that person needs to spend time in jail, means that you have to agree with that judge?
Hell no! what if your own brother was in jail for committing a crime. How many of yall are gonna be like, "oh yeah, fuck him, he did the crime he's gotta do the time."
Not many I bet. Most people would want their brother out as soon as possible. And plus fuck jail, fuck that place. Most people I believe do not deserve to be locked up. Tray Deee, Ras Kass, and Half Dead all don't deserve to be locked up. Maybe slap some big ass fines on them, but they don't deserve to be behind bars.
I dunno mane...my brother is in prison and will be for a very long time and growin up wit him for a limited time I believe he's better off in there....ofcourse U luv yur brother and would want him here with U but U gotta slap yurself with a reality check and kno someone like that is better off in there till he's rehabilitated....
now as for drinkin & drivin......that's wrong any way U look at it, I've had folks dying from that shit.....I got a boy who's loced up rite now for hittin some female and hurting her....ain't nothing cool about it.....now is it worth jail time? I dunno, I aint a judge here.....but kno if it wasn't for these jails this world would be hell (not that it aint 2 a degree already) how U gone say they should slap a fine on Tray Deee? Tray would just pay it and go shooting at muthafucaz again wit his gang bangin mentality.....its so easy 2 get a gun.....but using it is a whole notha story.....fuc guns anyway, throw em up like men.....muthafucaz out here quic to pull out too these days.....but that ol skool mentality is makin its way bac......let's drop em and get it on like men.....
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(http://fohley.freeservers.com/Trip_2_13_03/Fred_And_Al_SML.jpg)
dude on the left is my brotha.. from anotha..
people learn from shit like that.. and he got hella BIG FROM THEM WEIGHTS!!!!! hahaha.. (dude on the right aint me, btw..)
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its so easy 2 get a gun.....but using it is a whole notha story.....fuc guns anyway, throw em up like men.....muthafucaz out here quic to pull out too these days.....but that ol skool mentality is makin its way bac......let's drop em and get it on like men.....
Amen.
You ain't a man if you fight your battles with a gun.
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and anyways to really get to the point....
Just cause somebody broke the law, and a judge decided that person needs to spend time in jail, means that you have to agree with that judge?
Hell no! what if your own brother was in jail for committing a crime. How many of yall are gonna be like, "oh yeah, fuck him, he did the crime he's gotta do the time."
Not many I bet. Most people would want their brother out as soon as possible. And plus fuck jail, fuck that place. Most people I believe do not deserve to be locked up. Tray Deee, Ras Kass, and Half Dead all don't deserve to be locked up. Maybe slap some big ass fines on them, but they don't deserve to be behind bars.
why the hell not?!
if you did a crime why should you get sentenced just like the next man?
just because you're a rapper?
I'm not saying they deserve a free pass because they are rappers. I'm saying what they did, even though I don't even really know what they did (it wasn't rape, child molestation/abuse, murder) doesn't deserve a lock up punishment. I'm not speaking on these guys as rappers, I'm speaking on them as avg people. I believe most crimes do not warrant a lock up, that is my own personal beliefs. I'm sure I think at least 60% of inmates should be free. Jail is a fucked up place, and it does nobody good except the people making money off it. If you have been to jail before I can't see how you would wish that upon others unless they really did something wrong. It ain't even about what you do, its what you can prove. and if you got a lot of money, then you can afford a great lawyer to defend you, and imo, get off in almost any circumstance. So how is that fair? So all 3 of these guys should spend time in prison, because they don't have enough money, that is what our justice system boils down too.
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man, I don't know the statistics or anything, but do you guys really believe jail makes people better? I don't. Most people, once they gone to prison, their lives are forever changed in many ways. There needs to be a better solution. Do I have one? No. How do you know, that now that Tray Deee is locked up, it ain't just gonna make him way more pissed and wanna shoot more people? At least if he got let out and had to pay a fine, he probably wouldn't be so pissed. DUI"s, I dunno, I don't think they warrant jail. Man, our country promotes alcohol so fuckin much. What the fuck do you expect? You always got 2 sides to things.
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so DUI doesnt matter? even for aa guy who previously killed someone while DUI?
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lol, one person not completly agreein with seer yet there's been loads of "free yayo/ras/whoever" posts.....where y'all at ? ;D
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I could give a shit if Tray Deee killed the president, I still say Free HIm!
Pfft, that's because you're a dumbass who never even mastered a 3 year old's understanding of Right and Wrong. You oughta beat your momma's ass for being such a fucking failure to you.
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I could give a shit if Tray Deee killed the president, I still say Free HIm!
Pfft, that's because you're a dumbass who never even mastered a 3 year old's understanding of Right and Wrong. You oughta beat your momma's ass for being such a fucking failure to you.
Eat a dick up and hick up. You think I give one fuck about George Bush? Hell no, he's a fucking asshole, and fuck him. You fuckin luv Bush tho, like people on here luv snoop. You would suck bush's dick if you had the opportunity. You stand up for bush so fuckin much, yet he don't give a shit about you. Face the fucking facts Trauma. I oughtta beat yo momma's ass for teachin your dumb ass to speak. Now go defend bush on some more of his bullshit while you jackoff to colin powell speeches you fucking faggot.
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Oh hell yeah, I feel ya Seer.
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110% agree.
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and anyways to adress Seer's point about groupies only saying free these guys because they want music to be put out.
I think you using the wrong word by saying groupies. Of course I'm saying free these guys because I want music put out by them. I don't give a shit about any rappers personal life. I don't know one rapper personally, so why would I care about anything except for the music they put out. Don't get me wrong, I would feel sad if they died or something, but 98% of what goes on in their own personal life does not concern me. People who wish these rappers to be free for reasons other than music I would call groupies though. But because I wish Ras Kass wasn't locked up makes me a retarded groupie?
And what the fuck is wrong with wanting these guys to be free anyways? It ain't like they are some huge fucking threat to society. There are a lot worse people out in the world. Sure Ras Kass killed someone while driving. He already served his time for that. Yes, I agree, someone who kills another while driving should face some jail time. But he never killed anyone on this offence.
Fucking look at the guys in charge of Enron and Worldcom. They fucking ruined many, many peoples lives. Tray Deee and half dead didn't ruin anyone's life, yet they are locked up and the enron and worldcom guys are not locked up.
Look how many worldwide military and civilian deaths have come since bush has been in office. Shit, all those people who died on 9/11 died because of something our government has done. You see anyone in jail from our government?
Oh yeah, Trauma the Bush dickryder. Bush got a DUI or 2, you think he went to jail? Hell no he didn't.
Jail is fucked up. If you have never been there, then you don't know shit about it, and I'll tell you to shove your opinion about it up your fucking ass. I would never wish jail on anyone not committing a violent or sexual offense.
Jay Z stabbed somebody and never went to jail.
Puffy basically had someone shot and never went to jail.
Nate dogg committed arson on his GF car and never went to jail.
Eminem's bullshit he did and never went to jail.
Snoop dogg was caught with nearly 1 pound of chronic and never went to jail.
What did Tray Deee, Half Dead, and Ras Kass do to go to jail?
Ras- Drunk Driving
Tray Deee- illegal weapons possession
Half dead - Who knows
Are you really telling me ^^^^^ that is fair? Thats all I want to know, if you think that is fair, then I am not even continuing the discussion anymore.
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I could give a shit if Tray Deee killed the president, I still say Free HIm!
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I wasn't even talking specifically about the president, just your attitude that you don't give a fuck if people KILL people, they should get away with it, lol. You're an ignorant motherfucker, and 28 to 1 agree on this thread. That's less than a 4% chance that you know what the fuck you're talking about, 96 says I just fucked you up.
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I wasn't even talking specifically about the president, just your attitude that you don't give a fuck if people KILL people, they should get away with it, lol. You're an ignorant motherfucker, and 28 to 1 agree on this thread. That's less than a 4% chance that you know what the fuck you're talking about, 96 says I just fucked you up.
you think I give a shit about no one but one person agreeing with me? I could care less. there is a lot of dumb ass people on here including yourself. I don't have an attitude about not givin a fuck if people kill. If you read my post I agreed that people should be locked up for murder. The whole original intent of that post was to show that I wanted tray deee out of jail no matter what he did, so that he could make music, because he is my favorite rapper. I used the example of him killing the president because that would be a huge crime and definately deserve lock up. your bush dickryding ass took it to heart though, cause you can stand people talking bad about bush.
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Free C-Murder!!!
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Free Charles Manson!!!!
Free Saddam Hussein!!!!
Free The UnaBomber!!!
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No offence, but you think that Snoop owning nearly a pound of chronic is worse of a crime than that of Tray Deee and Ras Kass ???
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yeah trauma good comparisons. hmm, drunk driver vs serial killer - good one.
and owning a pound of weed could get you a couple years in prison. ras kass got a dui, and tray deee only violated his parole by having a gun. All in all, I don't believe you should be locked up for any of those offenses.
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yeah trauma good comparisons. hmm, drunk driver vs serial killer - good one.
and owning a pound of weed could get you a couple years in prison. ras kass got a dui, and tray deee only violated his parole by having a gun. All in all, I don't believe you should be locked up for any of those offenses.
stupid..
like i said before BOTH of them have previous records..
ras kass is stupid to get caught for DUI when he previously got done for killnig someone while DUI..
they are **parole violations**. its not the actual crime they're going to jail for.. u get caught for something 'small' when on parole u go back to jail..
dont u understand that?!
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^ two options.
1. He's not intelligent enough to understand a simple concept, oh, you know, the MOST simple concept, good vs. bad.
or
2. He understands, but is too proud to admit he was wrong when he made his first vague statement, so now he's backed himself into a corner and has to lie lie lie about his true feelings to cover up his first remark.
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^^^or
3. you both got your heads up your ass (most likely scenario)
Thank you for teaching me the REAL right and wrong Trauma, now I know. Where did you learn that? In the Right vs Wrong encyclopedia? Or did you have Harvard professors teach you? I bet you scored 100% on the Right vs Wrong test right Trauma?
hey I think abortion is a good thing. I must be a stupid fucking idiot according to trauma, because in the laws of Right and Wrong, abortion is blatently wrong.
Right and Wrong is based on your own morals and ethics you fuckin jack ass. To cornholes such as yourself, you believe smoking pot is wrong, and I don't. Who is right, me or you? You must be right, cause Trauma aka Issac Einstein Roosevelt is never wrong, he even sets examples of what is right and what is wrong. Killing thousands of people so that you can become richer off oil is right, huh Trauma.
And anyways, for the people who ride the short bus and where a helmet 24/7, I never said what these rappers did was right, show me where I said that. I said what they did, does not constitute jail time imo, but my opinion is wrong, right Trauma?
And Trauma, what about your favorite person after Bush - Micheal Jackson. Shouldn't he be locked up for life, cause he did wrong right? I mean its impossible for our government/police/authorities/court system to ever make a mistake right?
Oh yeah, argue my point about all those other rappers going to jail, pick the one that did the smallest crime. So tell me Seer, why aren't those other guys locked up in jail? Jay Z stabbed somebody, Puffy had someone shot and killed, eminem pistol whipped somebody ( I think), and Nate Dogg got busted for arson. Why aren't they in jail? I mean, our legal system is 100% fair, and it doesn't matter how much money you have right? I mean violating parole for haveing guns, or getting a DUI is 100's of times worse than stabbing someone or haveing some one shot, right?
I bet Trauma and Seer are the type of people that believe police are always right, along with courts and judges. Do you guys get a warm feeling throughout your body when someone gets a couple of years in prison for possession of drugs? I bet you guys think prison really is a rehabilatation center, and most people who go in, come out smelling like roses and ready to host Mr. Rogers show.
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hey I think abortion is a good thing
Whoa.. Let’s not talk that abortion talk.. The only acceptable reason to condone abortion is in pregnancies resulting from rape. Seeing my two kids born changed my whole opinion on abortion and I aint feelin it. That’s just my two cents.. Not like it even matters seeing as how the main topic's about what should and shouldn't warrent jail time.. but I just had to speak up for the parents (AND MOSTLY FOR THE KIDZ) out there. My stomach turned when I read that Grundy loc.. thats all. Had to speak up on it.
Ax
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Didn't read your reply grunchy, because it isn't worth my time, but I did realize another thing. Isn't Ras Kass Driving around after killing someone DWI, really just him ATTEMPTING to be a serial Killer? LOL Stupid motherfucker, hopefully you'll be the one he kills next.
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^ exactly what i was trying to explain but it doesnt matter.. he's just trying to wind us up...
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LMAO! ok, Ras Kass killed one person while he was drinking and driving. he didn't kill the person on purpose, he had no intent of killing anybody. Are you seriously saying that by Ras Kass doin that he is as horrible of a person as the unibomber, saddam, and charles manson? Are you really that fuckin dumb?
And Axel, yes I think abortion is a good thing. There is a lot of fucked up family's out there. Lots of kids who live bad lives, because their parents cannot take responsibility for them. I would rather see a 17 year old alcholic, ciggarette smoking, pregnent girl who is still in High School, and no where near ready to raise a child, get an abortion over haveing a child. I could give many examples of how abortion can be good, but this thread ain't about that.
Bottom line is this:
Seer thought it was dumb that people said Free *****, because he believes these rappers should do their time, and that people just wanted them free because they wanted music. I already said long ago, that I only cared about their music, and of course that is the only reason I want them free. Their is fucking thousands of people locked up for the same crimes that these rappers committed. Do I give a shit about any of them being free? No. If Ras Kass didn't make rap music, then I wouldn't give one shit if he was in jail or not, I don't know the guy. I explained this multiple times, yet people on this forum are too fuckin dumb to understand. Somehow, jackasses like Trauma, twist my words into his own fuckin bassackwards logic, because he got butthurt that I said something bad about the president. There is a lot of close minded ignorant people on this forum. It sure is great we have people here who consider Ras Kass an equal threat to society as Saddam, the unibomber, and Charles Manson. Fuck, I feel sorry for the defendants if you guys ever get jury duty.
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LMAO! ok, Ras Kass killed one person while he was drinking and driving. he didn't kill the person on purpose, he had no intent of killing anybody. Are you seriously saying that by Ras Kass doin that he is as horrible of a person as the unibomber, saddam, and charles manson? Are you really that fuckin dumb?
did i mention the unibomber, saddam, or charles manson? no.. dont put words in my mouth. and that BS in your signature shows what a baby you are.
yes the first time "he didnt mean to".. but its pretty dumb to repeat that mistake multiple times knowing that before it cost someone their life.
just because you dont mean to doesnt mean its ok.
wouldnt the guilt from that fuck a person up? wouldnt you not drink-drive again?
he hasnt disputed the fact that he was going to go to jail, quite the opposite in fact.
the abortion thing has nothing to do with this thread until you brought in here here, and other putrid attempt to try and justify your opinion.
and btw.. i agree with abortion if its done for the right reasons, rape, teen pregnancy, or generally to prevent an unwanted child.. but i prefer a sooner rather than later approach, mean terminations early in the term, not way in.
so your bottom line is.. you want them free because they're rappers you like, and thats it. no matter what crime they committed they should be exempt so you can buy their music.. where they glorify crimes they wouldnt ever go to jail for (in your world) ;)
its fair enough to wish they were outta jail, i wish they were out making music, but i also wish they werent so stupid to get put inside again in the first place.
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^^^ do you read my posts? Trauma was the one who mentioned the unimbomber and all them. I never said you did, so don't put words in my fuckin mouth. I never once said that Ras Kass didn't make a mistake by drinking and driving. I was telling truama that it is ridiculous to compare his crime to those of saddam, manson, and the unibomber.
Get this through your head:
I'm not arguing the crimes anybody did, I don't care about them. I don't care about rappers personal lives. The only reason I even know who Ras Kass and Tray Deee are is because of their music, no other reason. Yeah I want them freed from prison so that they can make new music. I don't want them free, because of their crimes, I want them free soley for the fact that they make good music. Are they ever gonna get free just to make music? of course not, that would be ridiculous. I just stated multiple times throughout the thread, why I would say free tray deee. but you guys just take all this shit to heart, like I'm a fuckin parole officer about to let some deadly ass criminals out into society.
No, overseer, I did not use abortion to justify any part of my argument. I used it as an example to show Trauma how dumb he is for talking about right and wrong like they are some written rules.
and seer about my sig:
yes I find it very funny that people like yourselves will bring up all this defense of why Tray Deee and Ras Kass should be locked up in jail. From what I have read in your posts, and others in this thread, you guys make it seem like these rappers have committed huge crimes and are a huge danger to society. Yet when they drop albums, you same people are going to go out and buy those albums, and support these criminals. If you really believe that they have done such wrong, then you would not support them. I don't support what Bush has done, so I'm not gonna vote for him. You guys don't support these rappers actions yet you are still going to support them? What if your money helps ras kass buy alcohol, or tray deee buy gunz? It doesn't make sense to me. I don't support drunk driving, but I only judge rappers on their music, not their personal matters.
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Fuck the law.
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Bad Azz Mo' Fucka
i feel you 100% man. these cats just don't understand. and much respect for sitting here and laying out the foundation for your argument against these odds.
let me just pull one of your statements out:
Right and Wrong is based on your own morals and ethics you fuckin jack ass.
you hit the nail on the head with the hammer, right there.
ethics, "right" and "wrong"...it's all subjective. if a person is a christian, then "right" and "wrong" for them is going to be defined by:
the bible
the ten commandments
the teachings of jesus christ
if a person is a muslim then "right" and "wrong" is going to be based on
the koran
the teachings of the prophet mohammad
the bible
the teachings of jesus christ
if a person believes in karma and balance then "right" and "wrong" will be based on their interpretation of the golden rule or something similar.
however, if a person is a hedonist, or a nihilist or an atheist...it's pretty much anything goes.
heh. "right" and "wrong" need only be consistent with the beliefs of the individual evaluating that situation.
i see people saying silly shit like:
I want him freed - just after he's paid debt to society.
fuck society. there is no such thing as a debt to society. there is no such thing as "civic duty". that's just a sophism that societies disseminate to their members to help maintain order.
i'd like to see ras kass, tray dee, b.g. knocc out, lil half dead, suge...etc. back on the streets.
these cats that are arguing against that don't appreciate the criminal philosophy. they can't comprehend that criminal mentality.
here's the 2¢ rundown:
a) the government has no moral authority. the government's authority comes solely from force, from their police, the national guard...etc.
b) as a result, people are free to do whatever their moral beliefs will allow.
in any conflict, there is no right and wrong dictating what the outcome should be. it's a matter of personal preference. it's a question of sides. "who's side are you on?" what would you like to see happen? what's your vision/desire for the future?
i'll address the cats that were mentioned:
"ras kass - drunk driving"
who gives a fuck? his behavior was reckless, we've seen the potential consequences of his actions in the past. personally i think he should lose his license for the rest of his life, but that's about it. prison? no.
"tray deee - gun charges"
gun charges are bullshit; just the governments way of cataloguing what people are doing. i don't want the government keeping track of what i'm doing. fuck the government.
"free lil hd - robbery"
hey, criminals can thrive in large societies like this one. too bad dude got caught. personally, i don't want to see old boy in prison, i don't give a fuck that he robbed someone. i don't give a fuck about "everyone" in the world. had lil hd robbed someone i know; if we knew who did it shit would get dealt with, otherwise..."shit happens".
[my nigga] bg knocc out - [attempted?] murder on some gang bang shit
i don't really know all the details about this one. gang banging (trippin' off colors, set trippin' in general, black on black violence, that goes on in every hood in every city, in general) is some shit that i have a problem with. have love for your neighborhood, but it's all the same community. people should view their communities like their family. they need to work together, get shit poppin' with their family. you don't settle beefs in your family with gunplay or murder. you settle it with heated discussion, or with fists. save the guns for the police, for those other communities and societies that have exploited and oppressed your community as a whole.
i mean, at the largest scale, these cats are fighting over control of the streets, over shit like drug money or whatever, ultimately over what amounts to only hundreds of thousands or at most a few millions of dollars. to put that in perspective, you look at the american government, these muthafuckaz started a war and have already made billions of dollars off that. and none of bush's homeboys got killed in that war. he has other muthafuckaz handling the dirty work. muthafuckaz might talk about stopping apartheid in south africa, but debeers still has a lock on that diamond industry and are making billions. so for cats to get caught up in gang bangin' and fighting over some streets and small money, their whole perspective is twisted. they need to look at the big picture. so i've gotta be a little critical of [my nigga] b.g. knocc out; while he's talking like he's changed his perspective and joined the n.o.i., i think it's unfortunate that so many people need to go to prison before they can catch a glimpse of the bigger picture. but do i want to see knocc out in prison? hell no. i'd have liked to see someone catch his ear and spit some knowlege to him and maybe change his perspective before all that shit went down. like them n.o.i. cats. they do good work in the streets, getting at the people. disseminating knowledge.
but fuck prison.
and personally, my lil cousin was locked up for 3 years or so and is supposed to be getting out in february, over some armed robbery shit. plus he still has some drug charges pending in another county, and apparently they can't resolve that while he's incarcerated in another jurisdiction. so hopefully that will get resolved and he won't need to do any more time. and i feel a little responsible that at the time i wasn't able to grab him by the arm and tell him to "slow down" or whatever. fuck it. but there's no way that i'm happy with my cousin being in prison or anything like that. what type of hater shit is that???
if i get out of prison and muthafuckaz are on some "good for you, you needed that" shit, i'm on some "fuck you" shit. some "you're not on my side, you're an enemy" shit.