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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Don Seer on April 24, 2002, 08:10:18 AM
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After the Americans have poured an estimated 1/2 million a year into the IRA and repeatedly antagonised the UK over the Ireland issue the tables have turned.
They have just learned that while the IRA was being entertained by the Americans they at the same time were training columbian terrorists - for further funds to help with their terrorism campaign against the UK.
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After the Americans have poured an estimated 1/2 million a year into the IRA and repeatedly antagonised the UK over the Ireland issue the tables have turned.
They have just learned that while the IRA was being entertained by the Americans they at the same time were training columbian terrorists - for further funds to help with their terrorism campaign against the UK.
I'm confused. Who's the IRA? And are you saying the US was paying for an organizatoin that terrorized the UK without knowing it?
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Who's the IRA?
A Terrorist Group - Irish Republic Army, Or Something Like That. The Problems With England And Ireland Dates Back To The Problems During The 15th Century When England Wanted To Control Them. Thats Literally How Long These Problems Have Been Going On For.
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I'm confused. Who's the IRA? And are you saying the US was paying for an organizatoin that terrorized the UK without knowing it?
LOL
IRA = Irish Republican Army - not really an army, but a terrorist organisation.
The non-violent political faction is called "Sinn Fein" pronounced "Shin Fayne"
funded by some American money (and US gives some political pressure against the UK), which was used against the UK - thats all known about.. we know the US are IRA sympathisers.
whats funny is..... the US are now pissed off because these 'terrorists' have allegedly been training columbian terrorists who work against US causes there.
the IRA played the US.
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haha damn thaz fucked up, usa was funding them and got played....
-{bLaDe}
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The IRA have also trained, Al Qaedia(sp?) fighters, the Palestinian 'PLO' and a few African geurilla groups, i thought that was all common knowledge, dont act so suprised...
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The IRA have also trained, Al Qaedia(sp?) fighters, the Palestinian 'PLO' and a few African geurilla groups, i thought that was all common knowledge, dont act so suprised...
So basically the US quietly supports terrorism on one hand, and then loudly condemns it on the other, God Bless America.
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So basically the US quietly supports terrorism on one hand, and then loudly condemns it on the other, God Bless America.
also remember bin laden was originally trained by the CIA - then went 'bad'.
america (and its allies) support anything that is in its best interests.. I.E. money.... example: america wouldnt give 2 shits about saddam if it werent for the oil.
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LOL this shits funny, its always funny when america gets fucked when tryin to fuck someone else
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LOL this shits funny, its always funny when america gets fucked when tryin to fuck someone else
fuckers get fucked....
-{bLaDe}
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i'm sure if we KNEW about this we wouldn't of been supporting this....overseer i think you should be banned/demodded for offending me (sarcasm)
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Why is our misfortune funny to you Overseer?
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The US has known, we spoke to the US many times about them supporting terrorism, and they were at one time involved in the peace process.
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Why is our misfortune funny to you Overseer?
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blade saw the irony
fuckers get fucked....
-{bLaDe}
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Why am I a fucker? Cause I was born on American soil? Cause I'm free to think the way I want to? What about my location makes me a fucker in any way? Explain to me if you have the time, how that makes me a fucker.
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Yeah, sorry we don't get to kiss tha Queen's ass.
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Damn ya'll trip to easy and quit that queen/tea biscuits shit.. it just highlights your ignorance about affairs outside the US.
The UK does shady things like the US.. but we are allied.. even though we have conflicting interests.
let me break this down
1) The IRA is recognised by the UK as a terrorist organisation
2) The IRA was not acknowledged as a terrorist organisation by the US.
3) The US supplied the IRA with funding.
4) The US are upset because it seems the IRA have been training columbians.
5) The US believe its the IRA because the only *terrorist* organisation outside columbia to use these methods is the IRA.
6) 5 shows they must now acknowledge the IRA as a terrorist organisation.. how can non-terrorists show terrorists how to terrorize?
7) Therefore the US knowingly funded terrorists (for whatever agenda). Therefore US = 'fuckers' for funding a terrorist organisation against its allie the UK.
8) The US says the IRA received monies from the IRA in return for training. specifically in a type of mortar bomb only used (and advanced over years) by the IRA. The columbians didn't innovate this technology they suddenly started using the exact same technology the IRA have used - at exactly the same time... The US says its because the IRA *terrorists* trained them
9) Therefore the US has been 'fucked' by the IRA...
put 7 and 9 together.. "fuckers (get) fucked"
don't take this as an affront on the US and get all patriotic
lets flip this....
Think how ya'll would feel if the UK had been funding a terrorist organisation that worked against the US despite repeated claims from the US that they were terrorists.
In fact, lets say the UK doesn't believe the US and says they aren't really terrorists.
Then imagine the UK getting caught out because the anti-US terrorists were trainiing anti-UK terrorists as well
how would you feel about the UK then?
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And also Overseer wasn't calling any American "fuckers" he was calling the hypocrites who run the country "fuckers".
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Why we support the IRA is 'cause the U.S. has always had a soft spot for the Irish. At first we were just as bad as the Brits, calling them White Niggers, and what not, but as time moved on, the U.S. has had some orginzations give money to the IRA, because to us, we didn't know the were terriorist, just the Irish looking to be independent. And we would like to think we help out the little guys. We got played, it happens in life, shit, you act like we have to be Gods.
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Why we support the IRA is 'cause the U.S. has always had a soft spot for the Irish..
Well that's a good reason for funding terrorism ::)
The USA knew what they were doing.
As if they didn't know the IRA was a terrorist organization when the IRA was blowing up Britain throughout the 80's
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Hey we didn't know they were terriorist. I didn't know until resently. What can we do... say sorry, and make it better. It was done, now our nations have to fix the problem. Mistakes were made, but we know one thing. As the Beatles sang... Give Ireland back to the Irish man....LOL
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hang on...
so the IRA claming responsibility for mortar bombin number 10 and blowing up a hotel containing the whole conserative party at their conference in the mid/late eighties isn't terrorist action.. wtfffffffff
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hang on...
so the IRA claming responsibility for mortar bombin number 10 and blowing up a hotel containing the whole conserative party at their conference in the mid/late eighties isn't terrorist action.. wtfffffffff
Hey, what's news in Britain ain't always news in the U.S. I'm part of the uninformed public, kill me now... I can't take it anymore.
Do you know who sponsered it in the U.S., 'cause you can say U.S. sponsered, but it's more than likly a busness. I need more than we gave money out. 'Cause it might be a busness, CIA (if it's them, most people will never know here) or even the straight government. So do you know who is giving money.
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Yeah MDogg you need to check your facts
Hopefull there will be a united Ireland, but it's not that easy
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Hey we didn't know they were terriorist. I didn't know until resently. What can we do... say sorry, and make it better. It was done, now our nations have to fix the problem. Mistakes were made, but we know one thing.
I Find It Near Impossible To Believe That The US Government Didn't No About IRA Been A Terrorist Organisation. The Fact That They Have Been Rebelling Against The British For So Long Now And America Didn’t Realise Is Kind Of Weird.
Oh Well…
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Do you know who sponsered it in the U.S., 'cause you can say U.S. sponsered, but it's more than likly a busness. I need more than we gave money out. 'Cause it might be a busness, CIA (if it's them, most people will never know here) or even the straight government. So do you know who is giving money.
Clinton did, personally and through the government, JFK did, New York City + Boston did, their the high profile donors. Other donors are major businesses + congressmen. We're talking alot of money...
Although in Americas defense, since September 11, donations have dropped drastically, but if the WTC thing hadnt gone down, i doubt the funding would've but for whatever reason their not giving money like they used too, which is a good thing.
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I Find It Near Impossible To Believe That The US Government Didn't No About IRA Been A Terrorist Organisation. The Fact That They Have Been Rebelling Against The British For So Long Now And America Didn’t Realise Is Kind Of Weird.
Oh Well…
Public and government are two different things, as I guess you can tell by most of the people here. I think I'm one of the more informed, but I didn't know shit. All I know is we support a United Ireland, and that we fund an orginzation that is working to do so. Now I'm assuming now we supported the IRA. I really didn't know we supported terriorist to Britain, as they are suppose to be the Mother Country for the big doggs here. I'm sure most people in the nation are not aware of who we support, but I would once assume since it's an allied country, that we would support a political orginzation. But hey, who knows, Reagon was Prez then, and after him Bush, and Clinton was to busy getting blown, and now Bush Jr. God help us all.
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Clinton did, personally and through the government, JFK did, New York City + Boston did, their the high profile donors. Other donors are major businesses + congressmen. We're talking alot of money...
Although in Americas defense, since September 11, donations have dropped drastically, but if the WTC thing hadnt gone down, i doubt the funding would've but for whatever reason their not giving money like they used too, which is a good thing.
Thanks... I would figure the Kennedy's good Irish Catholics, and Clinton 'cause he was a JFK wannabe. If they knew what they supported, then they should be charged, as it was not the government, indivuals. Not tax money, Clinton money, well from tax money, damnit.
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whatever their reasons, they will be more careful now.
I have discovered the main reason the US doesnt like the IRA training the columbians is because columbia accounts for 90% of the cocaine trade into the US.
Also because, the US are supporting 'the other side' (the current official power there). this is so they can stop the drug trade into the US.
below is a list of the major IRA attacks on irish + english soil.
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Provisional IRA's history of violence
Canary Wharf: Bombing marked end of the last IRA ceasefire
The Provisional IRA was formed in late 1969, when it split from the Marxist-inclined Official IRA. Since then, its roll-call of violence includes:
March 1971: Attack at Ligoniel: Three soldiers killed.
July 1972: Bloody Friday. Series of blasts across Belfast. Nine killed, many more injured as 22 bombs go off.
July 1972: Ten die in bomb attack in County Derry.
October 1974: Guildford pub bombing on British mainland. Five die, 44 injured.
November 1974: Birmingham pub bombings. 19 dead, 182 injured.
December 1975: Balcombe Street siege. Four IRA gunmen take a couple hostage after a street gun battle in London, surrendering after six days.
February 1978: Firebomb at hotel in Co Down. Twelve people killed, 23 injured.
November 1978: Deputy governor of Crumlin Road prison, Albert Miles, shot dead.
Wreckage of Lord Mountbatten's boat after the IRA bomb
August 1979: Lord Mountbatten, the Queen's uncle, and three others killed by Provisional IRA bomb in County Sligo. The same day, 18 soldiers killed in bomb attack at Warrenpoint, County Down.
November 1981: Ulster Unionist MP for Belfast South, Robert Bradford, murdered.
July 1982: Two bombs in Hyde Park and Regent's Park, London. In Hyde Park, two members of the Household Cavalry and seven horses die. In Regent's Park, six soldiers from the Royal Green Jackets killed.
December 1983: Harrods bomb. Five people killed and 80 wounded in a blast during Christmas shopping at the West London department store.
October 1984: Brighton bomb. Huge blast at the Grand Hotel, during the Conservative Party conference. Five die. Among the injured: the Cabinet minister Norman Tebbit and his wife.
November 1987: Consignment of 150 tons of weapons and ammunition destined for the IRA intercepted on the French coaster Eksund.
November 1989: Enniskillen massacre. Remembrance Day parade in Enniskillen, County Fermanagh. Blast kills 11 people, injures 63.
September 1989: Deal bombing. Ten Royal Marines bandsmen are killed and 22 are injured when base in Deal, Kent, bombed.
July 1990: Ian Gow, Conservative MP for Eastbourne and former Northern Ireland minister, killed by bomb at his Sussex home.
Police clear Whitehall after the mortar attack
February 1991: Three mortar bombs launched from across Whitehall at Downing Street during a Cabinet meeting. One explodes in the garden, but nobody injured.
January 1992: Eight Protestant builders killed by a bomb on their way to work at an Army base near Omagh.
December 1992: Series of IRA bombs throughout the province culminates in a blast in east Belfast which injures 27.
March 1993: An IRA bomb hits Saturday shoppers in Warrington, Cheshire. Two children, Jonathan Ball and Tim Parry, killed.
April 1993: IRA bomb in the City of London causes £350 million of damage.
October 1993: Blast at a fish and chip shop on the Protestant Shankill Road, Belfast, kills 10 people, including two children.
February 1995: Massive bomb at Canary Wharf in east London ends the IRA ceasefire that had been running since August 1994.
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Clinton did, personally and through the government, JFK did, New York City + Boston did, their the high profile donors. Other donors are major businesses + congressmen. We're talking alot of money...
Although in Americas defense, since September 11, donations have dropped drastically, but if the WTC thing hadnt gone down, i doubt the funding would've but for whatever reason their not giving money like they used too, which is a good thing.
the funding would have slowed anyways, 3 IRA men were arrested in columbia the middle of last year. the reason its in the news now is because congress is looking at something to do with it.
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And also Overseer wasn't calling any American "fuckers" he was calling the hypocrites who run the country "fuckers".
Bullshit. The topic is lol@america. That doesn't say lol@american government, it says america. My country as a whole. And as a citizen, it kind of pisses me off seeing someone try and rag on it. So I don't understand why I'm to be laughed at, or insulted by being called a fucker, at something a guy in washington is responsible for. I think idependantly as a citizen, as well as probably 90% of the world. We don't always know what is going on elsewhere cause unlike some of you guys, I can't watch cnn 24 hours a day, or wheverver you are getting these sources. Damn.
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LMFAO @ this topic
I thought everyone knew the IRA were a terrorist group. But they have a lot of support. I think we need to realise that they were formed AFTER a loyalist equivilent was formed early in the last century. Anyway, I never heard of the us govt funding the ra. I always thought it was rich irish-americans who sent the money. + how can u expect an organisation like the ra not to train other countries in urban combat. LMAO... i think we played the americans and again it shows they should take a step back in foreign policy.
+The IRA are under seize-fire
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my dad woz in the army and he woz killed in a bomb attack called ohma bus bomb
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shit, thats fucked up shit. I apologise on behalf of whatever fool did that in the name of my country.
BTW do u mean the Omagh bombing that killed 28 people?
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Honestly, yall, and this is the truth. I got other things to worry about, in my personal life, than this.
So, God bless America! And the good things it does for me. Maybe the bad things will become less and less, and we can all appreciate the positive this great country brings us. God Bless America!!!!
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Well, next time Al Qaeda bombs you shitless, we'll go ignore the USA and continue our own life.
'Seer, you missed out Airey Neave's death. Also, the killing by Pat McBride and Martin McGuiness of 12 Catholic suspected informants.
Also the Soho bombings, the murder of James O'Neill, etc.
And FUCK, FUCK, FUCK them for killing Mountbatten.
Dead in 9/11: 3000
America flips and kills twice that number of Afghan civilians.
Dead in The Troubles: 5000-7000
America does jack shit until they find out the PIRA and OIRA have screwed them.
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I dont know shit about politics. I start every Political Thread with that sentence. I'm like Trauma.. I got other shit to worry about. I'm part of the unimformed public.
There was some guy speaking on this on TV though(Politically Incorrect). I dont know if he was right or not... but he was saying that if the 9/11 tragedy didnt happen in NYC.. but somewhere else in the world, in Europe like Italy or the UK.. that America would most likely have their backs no questions asked. That they would be ready and willing to help the Europeans... and he was just kinda mad. Talked about how he thinks you guys (UK) criticize us so much and kinda dissed us.
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There was some guy speaking on this on TV though(Politically Incorrect). I dont know if he was right or not... but he was saying that if the 9/11 tragedy didnt happen in NYC.. but somewhere else in the world, in Europe like Italy or the UK.. that America would most likely have their backs no questions asked. That they would be ready and willing to help the Europeans... and he was just kinda mad. Talked about how he thinks you guys (UK) criticize us so much and kinda dissed us.
Britain fully supports America's war on terror, it was Britain that rallied european support for the 'coalition', if we hadnt offered our support immediately to America or if Blair hadnt personally visited all the nations whos support is vital to Americas cause, then there would be little or no European support for America's war on terror. Let alone Pakistan.
We just disagree with your policies involving Israel and Palestine, it aint nothing personal against y'all, just that we're concerned with the situation, and we can see both sides of the story as we're not commited to either Israel or Palestine.
Sorry for being humanitarians, and not following everything America does like robots.
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I think the main point to come out of this thread is not to generalize people. The American public isn't the same as the American govt. Same with UK.
If the American cats here didn't know IRA was terrorist, that aint their fault. It means CNN doesn't show you the full story, they just telling you what they're 'allowed to'. You won't know what's really going on in the world until you get your head into some books and do some research, feel me.
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I think the main point to come out of this thread is not to generalize people. The American public isn't the same as the American govt. Same with UK.
If the American cats here didn't know IRA was terrorist, that aint their fault. It means CNN doesn't show you the full story, they just telling you what they're 'allowed to'. You won't know what's really going on in the world until you get your head into some books and do some research, feel me.
Thank you for understanding what I was tryin to say.