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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Don Jacob on February 24, 2004, 11:32:56 PM
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personally i think they should have the same rights as anyone else BBUUUUUUT i don't think they should try to rearange the meaning of marriage. this is a slap in the face and is Sac-re-lig against all moral religions.
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To tell you the truth, I don't give a damn what they do. Do I agree with it? Hell no. Should I impose my views on them? No. Should they impose their views on me? Nope.
Also, I think that it's lame that the those wack ass 9th circuit judges are doing all this bullshit. IMO they are hurting the cause rather than helping.
Just my 2 cents...
I think it'd make Jamal and Max much happier people...
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Next we'll be marrying farm animals... ::)
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well i dont really give a shit if they choose to get married, its up to, them if they aint doin shit to me i dont care what they do, but yeah i can see where ya'll comin from
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personally i think they should have the same rights as anyone else BBUUUUUUT i don't think they should try to rearange the meaning of marriage. this is a slap in the face and is Sac-re-lig against all moral religions.
I fully agree, that is the only logical, sane answer. A marriage, by definition, is between a man and a woman. I can't go have a kid. Isn't that unfair? I can't go to a geinicologist... (Hell, I can't even spell geinicologist)... isn't that unfair? I can't go use the women's restroom, isn't that unfair? Hell, My rights are being violated!!! I'm being discriminated against!!!
Those would be the rantings of a liberal faggot. They claim they're being discriminated against, but that's so much bullshit. They have the same rights that I do... the right to marry a WOMAN. They can't 'marry' another man, because the defintion of marriage has nothing to do with that!
It's like they're big babies that can't get their way. I think they should be able to enter into some kind of contract or whatever so all the legal things are the same, but even that is probably too much. Like I said, I have the right to marry a woman, and so do they. They want to be fucking fruitcakes and change the equation to make marriage mean people can marry their sister, I guess, right? I mean, if I can't marry my sister, I'm being discriminated against. R. Kelly wants to marry a 12 year old girl. he's being discriminated against. Polygamists want to marry 3 people at the same time, they're being discriminated against. Yes, I did just group faggots in the same category as child abusers and polygamists.
Marriage is about 2 things. It's not about love. If you're in love, you can live together forever without being married, that's between you and your wife. Marriage is about 1. religion, because it's a religious exercise that almost every religion promotes. No religion promotes homosexuality, which is why homos don't get married! Simple as that. 2. Marriage is about being able to have children, in the eyes of God, righteously. It's all about religion, folks! Religion says faggots are an abomination! How, and why, do they want to get married?
What it comes down to is, marriage, in the hands of normal heterosexuals, has been reduced to nothing. People get married and throw it away at the drop of a hat. Britney Spears is married saturday and divorced monday. Why? Because people have forgotten the religious aspects of marriage! So now the next logical step is to let anybody get married.
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Fuk all religions.
I'm for legalizing marriage for gay couples and I don't support the constitutional amendment banning gay marriage by W.Bush. But I would support a gay adoption ban...thats just wrong.
Now all those Catholic priest can marry alter boys when they grow up.
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dont agree with gay "marriage", like in a church n shit.. however, I do agree that gay people have a right to form a legal union that gives them the same rights as married straight couples. if they wrap this up as a wedding, where its really a legal agreement/announcement, then thats fine.. wont piss on their parade, they are entitled to a happy day if they want to dress up just like the rest of us.
I don't agree with gay adoption, if a gay person has a child with a straight person then i think they should be allowed to raise the kid and shouldnt be descriminated against.
i also think the media should stop promoting homosexuality as being chic
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dont agree with gay "marriage", like in a church n shit.. however, I do agree that gay people have a right to form a legal union that gives them the same rights as married straight couples. if they wrap this up as a wedding, where its really a legal agreement/announcement, then thats fine.. wont piss on their parade, they are entitled to a happy day if they want to dress up just like the rest of us.
I don't agree with gay adoption, if a gay person has a child with a straight person then i think they should be allowed to raise the kid and shouldnt be descriminated against.
i also think the media should stop promoting homosexuality as being chic
What if there is a church that supports/acknowledges gay marriages?
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depends on what the relevant religious texts say.. hell i dont count many splinter churches as seperate entities, they're just being awkward. lol
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i think it should be banned
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First they have to find out if the word "Marriage" is a strictly religeous word. If it is, the state can't change the definition. The church and state have to remain separate; they can't tell eachother what to do. I agree with Overseer, I think they should be able to form a legal union. But it's up to the church if you can call it marriage or not.
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Fuk all religions.
I'm for legalizing marriage for gay couples and I don't support the constitutional amendment banning gay marriage by W.Bush. But I would support a gay adoption ban...thats just wrong.
Now all those Catholic priest can marry alter boys when they grow up.
they cant mary in church, cause church is against gays, but i dont think church should be the only place to get married, thats why i fuckin hate usa, or many other places in the world, everything is about religion, christmas, marrige..., its hard as fuck to be an athiast and live a normal life, i dont agree and bleive in religion, and its like being foreced on me by the government...
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You also don't believe in grammar.
Anyways, to an athiest, the only way to seperate church and state is for the government to promote the absense of religion. The United States government will never do that. You're not having a religion forced upon you, it's just that you want the government to promote the absense of religion, which they won't do. Your religion is that there is no god. You are 100% free to practice that religion, therefore your rights are not being violated.
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i also think the media should stop promoting homosexuality as being chic
I agree 110%
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Just to clarify, so I don't get misinterpreted: I have no problem with gay people. If they want to be gay, I think that's their choice, they're not hurting anybody else so it's none of my business. And like I said earlier and O said, they should have the same legal rights as everybody else, but then again, if I don't get married, I won't have the same legal rights as married couples; so why should two gay guys living together have the same legal rights as married couples?
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Against it 100%. I think that it just encourages gays. You don't support other people who deviate from the sexual norm, so why gays? I'd have no problem giving my tax $$$$ to homosexual reformation.
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A very interesting topic indeed. growing up Catholic, I am very split on the debate, because for one, I am a liberal who grew up and California, and two, I am a Catholic who believes marriage is between man and woman. If they allow legal bonds between Gay couples, then that's ok, if they want to call it marriage, fine, but if they tell the churches they have to perform gay marriages, then that's too much.
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Against it 100%. I think that it just encourages gays. You don't support other people who deviate from the sexual norm, so why gays? I'd have no problem giving my tax $$$$ to homosexual reformation.
what u mean by deviating from sexual norm, fuckin little kids? fuckin animals?.... it doesnt encorage gays, they want to getr married becasue they feel they should be able to...
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I mean, if I can't marry my sister, I'm being discriminated against.
Only a Mormon would say something like that... :-X
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Against it 100%. I think that it just encourages gays. You don't support other people who deviate from the sexual norm, so why gays? I'd have no problem giving my tax $$$$ to homosexual reformation.
^Thats probably the dumbest post you have ever made.
A very interesting topic indeed. growing up Catholic, I am very split on the debate, because for one, I am a liberal who grew up and California, and two, I am a Catholic who believes marriage is between man and woman. If they allow legal bonds between Gay couples, then that's ok, if they want to call it marriage, fine, but if they tell the churches they have to perform gay marriages, then that's too much.
lol no one is forcing churchs to perform gay marriages nor will they.
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^^ I know, just touching on Trauma bases.
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BLACKS STILL DONT HAVE RIGHTS so you tell me a fag whoops I mean a gay should get what they want before a nation of people still trying to get on its feet your crazy if they let the gays marry then we should be able to smoke sticcy green bud in the grocery store and all kind of other of the wall shit 8)
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Against it 100%. I think that it just encourages gays. You don't support other people who deviate from the sexual norm, so why gays? I'd have no problem giving my tax $$$$ to homosexual reformation.
^Thats probably the dumbest post you have ever made.
What's dumb is people thinking that it's alright to be homosexual.
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Against it 100%. I think that it just encourages gays. You don't support other people who deviate from the sexual norm, so why gays? I'd have no problem giving my tax $$$$ to homosexual reformation.
what u mean by deviating from sexual norm, fuckin little kids? fuckin animals?.... it doesnt encorage gays, they want to getr married becasue they feel they should be able to...
There's an organization that believes they should be able to have sexual relations with young children because they are born that way, which I believe happens just like being born gay and such. This group believes that they should be allowed this. Allowing pedophilia would encourage it, same goes for allowing homosexuals to be married.
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homosexuality is not a choice .....it's a mental problem. Talk to ANY fucking gay person and they have some truely fucked up story to tell you about their past.
encouraging homosexuality is like encouraging people with eating disorders , it's not something that you're born with or something you necessarily choose it's a result of mental and or physical abuse.
also something i want to touch on here is something i saw on msnbc the other day. Dude (gay) said that we will one day look back on this and laugh that we as a nation ever were against gay marriage like interracial marriage. i say BULLSHIT. A black MAN and a white WOMAN is something that is natural ....anyone who is against interracial marriage is a biggot....race is something that is in your blood not a mental problem. anyone who puts homosexuality and race relations in the same context is ignorant.
i have no problems with gay people, hell my favorite teacher of all time was a lesbian, but it pisses me off when people try to bend the law because they FEEL .....keywork FEEL , not ARE, being opressed.
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homosexuality is not a choice .....it's a mental problem. Talk to ANY fucking gay person and they have some truely fucked up story to tell you about their past.
encouraging homosexuality is like encouraging people with eating disorders , it's not something that you're born with or something you necessarily choose it's a result of mental and or physical abuse.
also something i want to touch on here is something i saw on msnbc the other day. Dude (gay) said that we will one day look back on this and laugh that we as a nation ever were against gay marriage like interracial marriage. i say BULLSHIT. A black MAN and a white WOMAN is something that is natural ....anyone who is against interracial marriage is a biggot....race is something that is in your blood not a mental problem. anyone who puts homosexuality and race relations in the same context is ignorant.
i have no problems with gay people, hell my favorite teacher of all time was a lesbian, but it pisses me off when people try to bend the law because they FEEL .....keywork FEEL , not ARE, being opressed.
I agree 100%.
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homosexuality is not a choice .....it's a mental problem. Talk to ANY fucking gay person and they have some truely fucked up story to tell you about their past.
encouraging homosexuality is like encouraging people with eating disorders , it's not something that you're born with or something you necessarily choose it's a result of mental and or physical abuse.
;D ::) Stfu idiot...where do you get this from your Grandfather? ;D
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i cant belive this :o.. for the first time, i agree with bigjakefroggyfrogg
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That's because he's right.
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NO.....N to tha O. Lemme underline it.....HELLO NO.....UH UH.....
Marriage has always been a union between and man and a woman and it should forever stay that way. Homosexuals are just looking for another way to make what they do, which is completely unnatural, seem somewhat right.
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all these people are lost and gonna go to hell
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I think homosexuals should be allowed to get married by the state. But i was mainly posting to ask the people who posted saying The Bible says homosexuality is wrong and so shouldn't be allowed (or performed in a church) whether or not they also feel the same about men with long hair (something which Jesus has in most depictions of him and yet i'm pretty sure even Jesus condemned it), eating 18 types of meat if they aren't preapred in the right way as The Bible also says the same about these and many other things which most Christians today find acceptable and often participate in as well.
As society has changed, most churches have also changed and modified their beliefs with the times. Or formed new denominations.
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^ You should read more of the bible, because half of the things you just claimed are disputed by the bible itself. Read the New Testament, it'll answer the things you just brought up.
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I don't care, and I don't see why anyone should. I'm not gay, and this will never once have an effect on my life.
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homosexuality is not a choice .....it's a mental problem. Talk to ANY fucking gay person and they have some truely fucked up story to tell you about their past.
encouraging homosexuality is like encouraging people with eating disorders , it's not something that you're born with or something you necessarily choose it's a result of mental and or physical abuse.
also something i want to touch on here is something i saw on msnbc the other day. Dude (gay) said that we will one day look back on this and laugh that we as a nation ever were against gay marriage like interracial marriage. i say BULLSHIT. A black MAN and a white WOMAN is something that is natural ....anyone who is against interracial marriage is a biggot....race is something that is in your blood not a mental problem. anyone who puts homosexuality and race relations in the same context is ignorant.
i have no problems with gay people, hell my favorite teacher of all time was a lesbian, but it pisses me off when people try to bend the law because they FEEL .....keywork FEEL , not ARE, being opressed.
OMG your stupid! as Max said did you hear this from your grandfather? Why don't you actually talk to some gay people, some of them did have traumatic pasts, most, as you will find, didn't. Of all my gay friends the worst story between them is that this one chick was adopted, other than that they are just like you and me.
Against it 100%. I think that it just encourages gays. You don't support other people who deviate from the sexual norm, so why gays? I'd have no problem giving my tax $$$$ to homosexual reformation.
Fuckin idiot! if you want to talk about the sexual norm then being gay is the current norm, may have sounded better in your head but you didn't think about the society around you today all this Metrosexual, queer eye, bullshit is making homosexuality the norm
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Okay, Marriage is defined as The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife. as in man and woman but but marriage is also the strongest way for you to prove your love for someone, another person. Gays getting married is no different than a man and woman getting married if the love is there. Relgions do not condone homosexuality and gay marriage but I don't believe that should stop two very religious homosexual individuals to become a couple and perform the same daily actions as a male/female couple. How can we look at marriage the same way and say that gays are destroying the sanctity of marriage when we can go and get married and divorced overnight? At least gays are doing it the right way and not getting a britney spears style quicky marriage if you ask me those little white chapel marriages have destroyed the meaning of marriage not gays because when you come down to it marriage is about love between two people I say they should be able to if they truly mean it and it is not just because, most of those gays that got married will have stronger bonds than most straight marriages and most will last longer.
On the gay adoption thing I'm 100% for it also. Gays cannot produce children but if they did why would the children be gay? what aspect of the world shows that 2 gays will have a gay child? Homosexuality is a mental thing, not a dissorder like dumbass corleone said. Everysingle gay in the world came from a straight family and sex between man and woman so why would two gays have a gay child? soo why does it have to be that only straight coulpes can adopt? Why do straight couples adopt? because they cannot conceive 9 times out of 10 not just because they want a kid but dont want to work. Gays cannot conceive so they should have the right to adopt. If it is true that a child in a gay society will grow up to be gay then evry child born in 2002--> will be gay because of the massive influence of homosexuality on television today. I do not see the reason why a child should be adopted by a straight family that will maybe abuse them or do any other horrible thing sthan be adopted by a gay couple who may show an undying love for that child.. If homosexuality really has nothing to do with us straight people then why are we giving it so much thought? a lot of people say it is their choice but then say the dont think they should be able to get married. Fuck it all gays, straights, no one should be able to get married until we can once again recognize whta marriage is.
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Against it 100%. I think that it just encourages gays. You don't support other people who deviate from the sexual norm, so why gays? I'd have no problem giving my tax $$$$ to homosexual reformation.
Fuckin idiot! if you want to talk about the sexual norm then being gay is the current norm, may have sounded better in your head but you didn't think about the society around you today all this Metrosexual, queer eye, bullshit is making homosexuality the norm
Homosexuality is not the norm. 11% of the population of the world is gay, that's hardly the norm.
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Against it 100%. I think that it just encourages gays. You don't support other people who deviate from the sexual norm, so why gays? I'd have no problem giving my tax $$$$ to homosexual reformation.
Fuckin idiot! if you want to talk about the sexual norm then being gay is the current norm, may have sounded better in your head but you didn't think about the society around you today all this Metrosexual, queer eye, bullshit is making homosexuality the norm
Homosexuality is not the norm. 11% of the population of the world is gay, that's hardly the norm.
Why not read my post then flip through your T.V. channels, you'll see what I am saying.
EDIT: Not saying it is the norm just that it is being so over glamourized that it is being shown as the popular thign to do, I apologize I see why you misunderstood me but that is what I meant by the norm.
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Against it 100%. I think that it just encourages gays. You don't support other people who deviate from the sexual norm, so why gays? I'd have no problem giving my tax $$$$ to homosexual reformation.
Fuckin idiot! if you want to talk about the sexual norm then being gay is the current norm, may have sounded better in your head but you didn't think about the society around you today all this Metrosexual, queer eye, bullshit is making homosexuality the norm
Homosexuality is not the norm. 11% of the population of the world is gay, that's hardly the norm.
Why not read my post then flip through your T.V. channels, you'll see what I am saying.
No, it's more accepted but it's still not the norm. It'll be the norm when the population majority are faggots.
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homosexuality is not a choice .....it's a mental problem. Talk to ANY fucking gay person and they have some truely fucked up story to tell you about their past.
encouraging homosexuality is like encouraging people with eating disorders , it's not something that you're born with or something you necessarily choose it's a result of mental and or physical abuse.
also something i want to touch on here is something i saw on msnbc the other day. Dude (gay) said that we will one day look back on this and laugh that we as a nation ever were against gay marriage like interracial marriage. i say BULLSHIT. A black MAN and a white WOMAN is something that is natural ....anyone who is against interracial marriage is a biggot....race is something that is in your blood not a mental problem. anyone who puts homosexuality and race relations in the same context is ignorant.
i have no problems with gay people, hell my favorite teacher of all time was a lesbian, but it pisses me off when people try to bend the law because they FEEL .....keywork FEEL , not ARE, being opressed.
OMG your stupid! as Max said did you hear this from your grandfather? Why don't you actually talk to some gay people, some of them did have traumatic pasts, most, as you will find, didn't. Of all my gay friends the worst story between them is that this one chick was adopted, other than that they are just like you and me.
Against it 100%. I think that it just encourages gays. You don't support other people who deviate from the sexual norm, so why gays? I'd have no problem giving my tax $$$$ to homosexual reformation.
Fuckin idiot! if you want to talk about the sexual norm then being gay is the current norm, may have sounded better in your head but you didn't think about the society around you today all this Metrosexual, queer eye, bullshit is making homosexuality the norm
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Okay, Marriage is defined as The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife. as in man and woman but but marriage is also the strongest way for you to prove your love for someone, another person. Gays getting married is no different than a man and woman getting married if the love is there. Relgions do not condone homosexuality and gay marriage but I don't believe that should stop two very religious homosexual individuals to become a couple and perform the same daily actions as a male/female couple. How can we look at marriage the same way and say that gays are destroying the sanctity of marriage when we can go and get married and divorced overnight? At least gays are doing it the right way and not getting a britney spears style quicky marriage if you ask me those little white chapel marriages have destroyed the meaning of marriage not gays because when you come down to it marriage is about love between two people I say they should be able to if they truly mean it and it is not just because, most of those gays that got married will have stronger bonds than most straight marriages and most will last longer.
On the gay adoption thing I'm 100% for it also. Gays cannot produce children but if they did why would the children be gay? what aspect of the world shows that 2 gays will have a gay child? Homosexuality is a mental thing, not a dissorder like dumbass corleone said. Everysingle gay in the world came from a straight family and sex between man and woman so why would two gays have a gay child? soo why does it have to be that only straight coulpes can adopt? Why do straight couples adopt? because they cannot conceive 9 times out of 10 not just because they want a kid but dont want to work. Gays cannot conceive so they should have the right to adopt. If it is true that a child in a gay society will grow up to be gay then evry child born in 2002--> will be gay because of the massive influence of homosexuality on television today. I do not see the reason why a child should be adopted by a straight family that will maybe abuse them or do any other horrible thing sthan be adopted by a gay couple who may show an undying love for that child.. If homosexuality really has nothing to do with us straight people then why are we giving it so much thought? a lot of people say it is their choice but then say the dont think they should be able to get married. Fuck it all gays, straights, no one should be able to get married until we can once again recognize whta marriage is.
shut up fool your gay "friends" [i'll reframe from laughing here] are most likely not going to tell you something intimately bad that happened to them. Alot of shit that happens to the physically/mentally abused it blocked out or forgotten , or ignored , or hidden, ect. that's why they have a fucked up head. they can't deal with a traumatizing event. saying the bullshit you said is like saying people with anorexia nervosa are born that way... ::)
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^ You should read more of the bible, because half of the things you just claimed are disputed by the bible itself. Read the New Testament, it'll answer the things you just brought up.
I know the meat point i made was from the Old Testament (thats half of the things i claimed) and i admitted that i may not be right about Jesus condemninglong hair on men, but i am 99% sure that it is from the New Testament. The reason for posting the meat point and not another from the New Testament was because i forgot what the other points i was going to make were. I had been talking to a Priest a few days before about gay marriage and the church and he was giving me examples throughout the New Testament where a large number Christians break supposed evils all the time today and it is completely acceptable to do so. I could only remember the example he gave of long hair on men and not the others, i just remembered the meat one myself and even though it was from the old testament i thought i would use it as i needed another example because i thought the Father made a good point (just for me to make it a good one i needed more than one piece of evidence to back up my point). And i thought it was also a good point as it showed Christians like Don Jacob Corleone (if what the Father said is true, and i am not going to question a Priest if he tells me things like long hair on men are condemned by The Bible, as well as homosexuality) who simply find the parts that they agree with and ignore the bits they don't agree with (look at his evil support and promotion of long haired men, it makes me feel physically sick ::)). And anyway doesn't The Bible say if the Church decide to make something divine law on Earth then it will be the same in heaven, or something like that, so if different denominations of Christianity allowed Homosexual marraige then it would be allowed in Heaven? Or is that just some bullshit made up by Kevin Smith (i thought he was too much of a Catholic and a nerd to make something like that up, but i ain't stupid enugh to realise it could just be some bullshit to make an entertaining story.)
Is anyone going to (fully) answer my question this time? Or will i one day read the New Testament and find out the Father was right?
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homosexuality is not a choice .....it's a mental problem. Talk to ANY fucking gay person and they have some truely fucked up story to tell you about their past.
encouraging homosexuality is like encouraging people with eating disorders , it's not something that you're born with or something you necessarily choose it's a result of mental and or physical abuse.
also something i want to touch on here is something i saw on msnbc the other day. Dude (gay) said that we will one day look back on this and laugh that we as a nation ever were against gay marriage like interracial marriage. i say BULLSHIT. A black MAN and a white WOMAN is something that is natural ....anyone who is against interracial marriage is a biggot....race is something that is in your blood not a mental problem. anyone who puts homosexuality and race relations in the same context is ignorant.
i have no problems with gay people, hell my favorite teacher of all time was a lesbian, but it pisses me off when people try to bend the law because they FEEL .....keywork FEEL , not ARE, being opressed.
OMG your stupid! as Max said did you hear this from your grandfather? Why don't you actually talk to some gay people, some of them did have traumatic pasts, most, as you will find, didn't. Of all my gay friends the worst story between them is that this one chick was adopted, other than that they are just like you and me.
Against it 100%. I think that it just encourages gays. You don't support other people who deviate from the sexual norm, so why gays? I'd have no problem giving my tax $$$$ to homosexual reformation.
Fuckin idiot! if you want to talk about the sexual norm then being gay is the current norm, may have sounded better in your head but you didn't think about the society around you today all this Metrosexual, queer eye, bullshit is making homosexuality the norm
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Okay, Marriage is defined as The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife. as in man and woman but but marriage is also the strongest way for you to prove your love for someone, another person. Gays getting married is no different than a man and woman getting married if the love is there. Relgions do not condone homosexuality and gay marriage but I don't believe that should stop two very religious homosexual individuals to become a couple and perform the same daily actions as a male/female couple. How can we look at marriage the same way and say that gays are destroying the sanctity of marriage when we can go and get married and divorced overnight? At least gays are doing it the right way and not getting a britney spears style quicky marriage if you ask me those little white chapel marriages have destroyed the meaning of marriage not gays because when you come down to it marriage is about love between two people I say they should be able to if they truly mean it and it is not just because, most of those gays that got married will have stronger bonds than most straight marriages and most will last longer.
On the gay adoption thing I'm 100% for it also. Gays cannot produce children but if they did why would the children be gay? what aspect of the world shows that 2 gays will have a gay child? Homosexuality is a mental thing, not a dissorder like dumbass corleone said. Everysingle gay in the world came from a straight family and sex between man and woman so why would two gays have a gay child? soo why does it have to be that only straight coulpes can adopt? Why do straight couples adopt? because they cannot conceive 9 times out of 10 not just because they want a kid but dont want to work. Gays cannot conceive so they should have the right to adopt. If it is true that a child in a gay society will grow up to be gay then evry child born in 2002--> will be gay because of the massive influence of homosexuality on television today. I do not see the reason why a child should be adopted by a straight family that will maybe abuse them or do any other horrible thing sthan be adopted by a gay couple who may show an undying love for that child.. If homosexuality really has nothing to do with us straight people then why are we giving it so much thought? a lot of people say it is their choice but then say the dont think they should be able to get married. Fuck it all gays, straights, no one should be able to get married until we can once again recognize whta marriage is.
shut up fool your gay "friends" [i'll reframe from laughing here] are most likely not going to tell you something intimately bad that happened to them. Alot of shit that happens to the physically/mentally abused it blocked out or forgotten , or ignored , or hidden, ect. that's why they have a fucked up head. they can't deal with a traumatizing event. saying the bullshit you said is like saying people with anorexia nervosa are born that way... ::)
Not once did I say anyone was born gay it is a choice they make but who the fuck are you as the top mental analyzer on the gay psyche? They could be lying but you don't know me or the people I speak of, just because you paranoid ass doesn't trust anyone or maybe doesn't have any close friends doesn't meant that everyone else in the world cannot trust someone else in a conversation. you idiot you must have been watching an educational news reel on homosexuality recetly where they say it is a mental "Problem"when it has been proven that that is not true, more porn stars had soem sort of traumatic experience that led to that than gays.
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so being gay is a choice now.....now this is where your argument crumbles . Ask any gay person if being gay is a choice and they 'll tell you no. They're right, but they're wrong about being born that way....the only way you could be born is emotionally fragile which inflicted with traumatic event....from infancy on, wether they remember or not, can mentally screw up a person leading to such social disorders . for example kids who turn goth, kids who are quiet and scared to death to talk when present among others, homosexuality, beastiality, ect.
and what gives me credentials on this? well you two were almost right when you asked if my grandpa told me.....actually my grandma is a psych Doctor. Also shit was on the discovery channel and i saw some shit like this on TLC too about kids experiencing trauma early on in their life.
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I think there's 3 types of gays. This may end up being the most ignorant post I've ever made, but it's how I see it right now.
1. Some people that are gay, are actually kind of born that way... I'm talking about severe cases, like people being born disfigured or a woman with a penis or something like that. Genetic defects.
2. Most gays, and this is people I've met, I've talked to tons and they all have the same stories... most have, like Don said, had some sort of problem in childhood. Their mom raised them alone, or their dad beat them, or somebody molested them, something.
3. I do think that some people choose to be gay. I've known women and men who were pretty ugly, and never had much success getting dates and things earlier in their lives, and are now gay.
That's the way I see it.
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so being gay is a choice now.....now this is where your argument crumbles . Ask any gay person if being gay is a choice and they 'll tell you no. They're right, but they're wrong about being born that way....the only way you could be born is emotionally fragile which inflicted with traumatic event....from infancy on, wether they remember or not, can mentally screw up a person leading to such social disorders . for example kids who turn goth, kids who are quiet and scared to death to talk when present among others, homosexuality, beastiality, ect.
and what gives me credentials on this? well you two were almost right when you asked if my grandpa told me.....actually my grandma is a psych Doctor. Also shit was on the discovery channel and i saw some shit like this on TLC too about kids experiencing trauma early on in their life.
Why isn't your sexual preference a choice, I say choice not as an off teh cuff thing but as somethingnthey've gradually come to accept and realize. I've seen shit on Discovery and TLC that has disproved the notion that every gay is mentally ill and/or been abused. I'm not saying that none of the gays in the world ever experience some type of tauma but for you to sya that every single one has is just as wrong as that. Ultimately it is a choice and a realization in their life, maybe it took something in their life to bring it out but those feelings do not come frm anywhere. Gays are more likely to be Emotionally unstable until they realize their feelings but after that I doubt they are as fucked up after this than before. And shy children experiencing some type of trauma? Most children are shy when around completely new faces and are in fact silent after some type of major trauma but how fair is it to say all shy children are repressing something? you are pinning a lot of common dispositoins in the world on childhood trauma...that is not fair. Sadly though a lot of other things you mentioned such as beastiality is just fucked up...
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I think a lot of gays are born gay...Like those six year olds who play with barbie dolls instead of action figures...Those are the the sensitive ones with the lisp...Those are the ones who are born gay...PeACe
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so being gay is a choice now.....now this is where your argument crumbles . Ask any gay person if being gay is a choice and they 'll tell you no. They're right, but they're wrong about being born that way....the only way you could be born is emotionally fragile which inflicted with traumatic event....from infancy on, wether they remember or not, can mentally screw up a person leading to such social disorders . for example kids who turn goth, kids who are quiet and scared to death to talk when present among others, homosexuality, beastiality, ect.
and what gives me credentials on this? well you two were almost right when you asked if my grandpa told me.....actually my grandma is a psych Doctor. Also shit was on the discovery channel and i saw some shit like this on TLC too about kids experiencing trauma early on in their life.
Why isn't your sexual preference a choice, I say choice not as an off teh cuff thing but as somethingnthey've gradually come to accept and realize. I've seen shit on Discovery and TLC that has disproved the notion that every gay is mentally ill and/or been abused. I'm not saying that none of the gays in the world ever experience some type of tauma but for you to sya that every single one has is just as wrong as that. Ultimately it is a choice and a realization in their life, maybe it took something in their life to bring it out but those feelings do not come frm anywhere. Gays are more likely to be Emotionally unstable until they realize their feelings but after that I doubt they are as fucked up after this than before. And shy children experiencing some type of trauma? Most children are shy when around completely new faces and are in fact silent after some type of major trauma but how fair is it to say all shy children are repressing something? you are pinning a lot of common dispositoins in the world on childhood trauma...that is not fair. Sadly though a lot of other things you mentioned such as beastiality is just fucked up...
you do a good job of trying to disagree with what i say then contradict that and agree with it
like the comercial says...buh buh buh buh buuuuuuuuuuuh , i'm luvin it
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We would never accept homosexuality in the Islamic community. Homosexuality decays at the very fiber of the community. Marriage is one of the most blessed institutions in our religion. Without it, there would be widespread corruption and confusion.
You want to know why this is happening at such an alarming rate in this society? Because a man is no longer defined from a woman. We don't know our roles anymore. A man is to be the leader of a household, period. He is to have the final word (only after consultation with the woman and understanding). A woman is supposed to be supportive, loyal, and inclined to her man. The man and woman are to be garments of eachother. The prophet Muhammad (saws) said that a man should be defined from a woman. This is one reason that Muslim men don't wear ear rings and why we grow beards. A man is to be defined from a woman.
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i disagree with that ^
maybe it's because i was raised in a household full of women
maybe it's because i love girls more than pork chops and apple sauce
or maybe it's becuase i'm not muslum....
but i think a man and a woman united through marriage are that a union. equal shareholders you mights say. i don't think the man should have the final word, i think both should work things out. a man should be expected to uphold the same obligations as a woman ....maybe even more.
that's how you get and KEEP pussy my friend
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I dunno, I kind of agree with Infinite but not as militantly about the man/woman thing. The best marriages I've seen are the ones where the men and women both have defined roles, and usually it does work better if there's some kind of respect for the man's authority; but blind authority doesn't work... It's kind of like June and Ward Cleaver. You know Ward made all the decisions but June was the one whispering in his ear at night. And if he ever tried to do anything just plain stupid you know she'd cut him off, lol.
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First of all I wanna say I don't believe in marriage. Gay couples should have the same rights as straight couples. It's not like gay people choose to be gay; they just are.
If you talk about the definition of marriage you could say it's something between a man and a woman and that's why a lot of people are against gay marriages. Here in Holland gay couples can marry and have exactly the same rights as straight couples and there have been no problems.
Now ask yourself: What if you'd have a word for 'gay marriage'. Would you still be against it? They already have the same rights if they live together and stuff.
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that's how you get and KEEP pussy my friend
First of all, it's not about keeping pussy, it's about marriage, and staying married to a woman you love and care for. Second of all, the man has a great responsibility, he is obligated to provide for and protect his wife. Any wealth he possesses is for the both of them. If the woman still goes out and gets a job, then that money is hers for herself, to do with what she pleases. So the man has great responsibility in maintaining and protecting his wife and family; In return she gives him his authority and dignity as a man.
And why don't you go and look up the divorce rate amongst the Islamic community. Then compare it to your own community. Then come back to me and we will talk.
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that's how you get and KEEP pussy my friend
First of all, it's not about keeping pussy, it's about marriage, and staying married to a woman you love and care for. Second of all, the man has a great responsibility, he is obligated to provide for and protect his wife. Any wealth he possesses is for the both of them. If the woman still goes out and gets a job, then that money is hers for herself, to do with what she pleases. So the man has great responsibility in maintaining and protecting his wife and family; In return she gives him his authority and dignity as a man.
And why don't you go and look up the divorce rate amongst the Islamic community. Then compare it to your own community. Then come back to me and we will talk.
lol Can't say you didn't bring up good points.
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Mauzip, Your opinion isn't really relevant, because you don't even appreciate marriage, and you don't believe in God, the two are inseperably connected.
Marriage evolved from religion, no society promotes that people should get married, but all religions do. The only reason to get married in the first place is to uphold a religious ceremony. You can get married by the justice of the peace, sure, but why would you get married, if you didn't believe that God wanted you to be married? If you are in love with somebody, you don't have to marry them. You can just live together happily ever after. Since marriages are so easily broke, common sense will tell you the only purpose of a marriage is for religious reasons. People simply believe that God wants you to marry off and start a family.
Since ALL religions are against homosexuality; it really doesn't make much sense for Gay people to get married, lol.
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^ Your opinion isn't really relevant, because you don't even appreciate marriage, and you don't believe in God, the two are inseperably connected.
Huh who are you talking about? ???
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^ Your opinion isn't really relevant, because you don't even appreciate marriage, and you don't believe in God, the two are inseperably connected.
Huh who are you talking about? ???
Sorry, I was trying to reply to Mauzip, I didn't realize there was a 3rd page when I did it :( Sorry about that.
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that's how you get and KEEP pussy my friend
First of all, it's not about keeping pussy, it's about marriage, and staying married to a woman you love and care for. Second of all, the man has a great responsibility, he is obligated to provide for and protect his wife. Any wealth he possesses is for the both of them. If the woman still goes out and gets a job, then that money is hers for herself, to do with what she pleases. So the man has great responsibility in maintaining and protecting his wife and family; In return she gives him his authority and dignity as a man.
And why don't you go and look up the divorce rate amongst the Islamic community. Then compare it to your own community. Then come back to me and we will talk.
this isn't about muslum VS secular.......if you examine the reasons for most divorces it's because of men trying too hard to be the head of the house hold. Alot of your muslum statistics are misleading, but that's another argument. BUT some PEOPLE are leaders and some arn't if i married a woman like rosanne (personality wise...not appearance wise,lol, eeeeeew) i'd have no problem letting her be head of the house. But at the same time i wouldn't mind having what eddie murphy was going to have in "coming to america" (the arranged wife) willing to cater your every need and would do everything you said. BUT IMO i think a couple is stronger if they can both camand a household equally.
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Mauzip, Your opinion isn't really relevant, because you don't even appreciate marriage, and you don't believe in God, the two are inseperably connected.
Marriage evolved from religion, no society promotes that people should get married, but all religions do. The only reason to get married in the first place is to uphold a religious ceremony. You can get married by the justice of the peace, sure, but why would you get married, if you didn't believe that God wanted you to be married? If you are in love with somebody, you don't have to marry them. You can just live together happily ever after. Since marriages are so easily broke, common sense will tell you the only purpose of a marriage is for religious reasons. People simply believe that God wants you to marry off and start a family.
Since ALL religions are against homosexuality; it really doesn't make much sense for Gay people to get married, lol.
Blah, I know a lot of married couples that are atheist.
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^ Ask them why they're married, it doesn't make any sense.
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^ Ask them why they're married, it doesn't make any sense.
They're married because they want to start a family...A normal family consists of a husband, a wife, and children...Idiot. ::)
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fuck a gay marriage, botty man
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Mauzip, Your opinion isn't really relevant, because you don't even appreciate marriage, and you don't believe in God, the two are inseperably connected.
Not true. I grew up with hardly any religious upbringing and i've always thought of getting married, just never in a Church.
Marriage evolved from religion, no society promotes that people should get married, but all religions do. The only reason to get married in the first place is to uphold a religious ceremony. You can get married by the justice of the peace, sure, but why would you get married, if you didn't believe that God wanted you to be married? If you are in love with somebody, you don't have to marry them. You can just live together happily ever after. Since marriages are so easily broke, common sense will tell you the only purpose of a marriage is for religious reasons. People simply believe that God wants you to marry off and start a family.
Trauma thats fucking bullshit and you must know it. No society promotes that people should get married? Have you ever looked at the tax and benefits that apply to married couples, co-habitating couples, and single people? They are not all the same, the reason being the state is trying to promote marraige. I've always seen it as a way of publicly showing/declaring your love for each other, and saying that you value this person so much you want to spend the rest of your life with them and possibly even have children with them. That i'm also willing to work hard to ensure the relationship lasts, to me it's more of a definite sign of commitment to another person. Not just to uphold a religious ceremony (but i guess it is a British tradition to get married, so i guess it could be to uphold British customs?). I would get married because my partner and I wanted to wed, not because we thought it is what God wants of us.
Since ALL religions are against homosexuality; it really doesn't make much sense for Gay people to get married, lol.
Since Christ was against men with long hair, it really doesn't make much sense that most images of him have long hair, lol.