West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Suffice on March 02, 2004, 05:28:03 PM
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It annoys the fuck out of me when Lil' Jon and shit use the confederate flag in their videos, cuz the confederate flag is one of the symbols of slavery. Is this some kind of throwback thing? that's really fucked up, and the strange thing is, nobody is sayin' anything about it. Next thing u know motherfuckers gonna have cotton gins in their videos
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Oh yeah Mayor can I get a little backup
Please don't let those dixie motherfuckers put that flag up
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It annoys the fuck out of me when Lil' Jon and shit use the confederate flag in their videos, cuz the confederate flag is one of the symbols of slavery. Is this some kind of throwback thing? that's really fucked up, and the strange thing is, nobody is sayin' anything about it. Next thing u know motherfuckers gonna have cotton gins in their videos
Maybe they trying to redefine the meaning of the flag: New South?
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yea i was thinking the EXACT same thing, especialy wen i saw it in that guys avatar
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It annoys the fuck out of me when Lil' Jon and shit use the confederate flag in their videos, cuz the confederate flag is one of the symbols of slavery. Is this some kind of throwback thing? that's really fucked up, and the strange thing is, nobody is sayin' anything about it. Next thing u know motherfuckers gonna have cotton gins in their videos
No, what's fucked up is that you don't understand shit about the south. The confederate flag isn't a symbol of slavery, you just percieve it as that. Apparently, Lil Jon doesn't... guess why? He's from the south, so he knows about that shit.
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yeah i was thinking the same thing trauma said...i dont know what it symbolizes for sure but ive never heard that it symbolizes slavery
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^ Oh, I've heard it, all the time, by ignorant motherfuckers who don't know shit about it. Just because you hear it, doesn't make it true, though.
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^FITTING, comin from two racist ass cracka muthafukkas! defendin' the slave flag an shit^
Just playing :P, you are both right, Ignorant peeps such as SnoopGogg and Mick who gave trauma shit about the flag not too long ago don't understand that from 1956 to 2001 it was Georgia's state flag, all rappers from Georgia grew up under this flag. they are obviously not promoting slavery it is being used as a symbol of empowerment for some, but people who are still uneducated and butt-hurt about the world around them still see it as a symbol for slavery. Sad.
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Confederate flag IMO is not a symbol of slavery but the Confederacy was fighting to save slavery in the south...so people associate slavery to the Confederate flag.
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It's about Heritage. They come from the south, and they fly the confederate flag, which is a symbol of the strength of the south. It's more of a rebel thing. When slaves were brought over here from Africa, there were American flags flying from the ships, not Confederate battle flags. The civil war was fought over a miriad of reasons, all of them centered around the power of states versus the power of the Union. Slavery was one of the issues, but not the reason the entire south decided to secede from the union. The flag represents the south as a whole, and the unique and strong spirit of the south, not that we want to keep slaves. Anybody that thinks that is a fucking idiot.
After the civil war, the south was destitute. It was like hell, everyone was poor, nobody had any money, even the people that did lost it all because most of them made it on the backs of slaves. Most of the slaves had nowhere to go, and now had no support or places to stay. They faced racism until today, when they still face racism in many places... the people that weren't slaves were just as poor, and the whites had it as bad as the slaves because now they all had to compete for the same few jobs, the same sharecropping opportunities, etc. etc. The south wasn't industrialized. All they had to go on was the human spirit to strive and be successful and strong, and the beauty of the land. The south is an amazingly beautiful place, unique to the world, and when a southerner flies a Confederate Flag, he's embracing and remembering all of the evil, all of the beauty, and all of the spirit that have made the south what it is today.
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First Official Confederate Flag:
(http://americancivilwar.com/south/conflag/stars_ba.gif)
The pattern and colors of this flag did not distinguish it sharply fom the Stars and Stripes of the Union. Consequently, considerable confusion was caused on the battlefield.
The seven stars represent the original Confederate States;
South Carolina (December 20, 1860)
Mississippi(January 9, 1861)
Florida (January 10,1861)
Alabama (January 11, 1861)
Georgia (January 19, 1861)
Louisiana (January 26, 1861)
and Texas (February 1, 1861)
Second Confederate Flag:
(http://americancivilwar.com/south/conflag/confed2.gif)
On May 1st,1863, a second design was adopted, placing the Battle Flag (also known as the "Southern Cross") as the canton on a white field. This flag was easily mistaken for a white flag of surrender especially when the air was calm and the flag hung limply
Efforts to secede failed in Kentucky and Missouri though those states were represented by two of the stars. *(see note below)
The flag now had 13 stars having been joined officially by four more states,
Virginia (April 17, 1861),
Arkansas (May 6, 1861),
Tennessee (May 7, 1861),
North Carolina (May 21, 1861).
Third Confederate Flag:
(http://americancivilwar.com/south/conflag/confed3.gif)
The third Official Flag of the Confederacy. On March 4th,1865, a short time before the collapse of the Confederacy, a third pattern was adapted; a broad bar of red was placed on the fly end of the white field.
Confederate Battle Flag:
(http://americancivilwar.com/south/conflag/confed_b.gif)
The best-known Confederate flag was the Battle Flag, the familiar "Southern Cross". It was carried by Confederate troops in the field which were the vast majority of forces under the confederacy.
The Stars represented the 11 states actually in the Confederacy plus Kentucky and Missouri.
Georgia's Former State Flag
(http://americancivilwar.com/south/conflag/scross.gif)
Georgia's Current state Flag
(http://www.sos.state.ga.us/museum/images/state_flag_2003.jpg)
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Ignorant or not it IS a symbol of slavery and struggle to a lot of people.
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^ Comments like that just make me FURTHER want to fly a confederate flag. Fuck people's misperceptions. Just because they misunderstand it doesn't mean I'm going to change my style, and since as I said the flag usually represents a rebellious nature, most people that fly the flag feel the same way. "Oh, you think it represents slavery? Well, it doesn't, and I'm going to fly it, and dare you to accuse me of that shit". That's the attitude.
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cool good for you. so it doesnt rep slavery to you but it does to a lot of people. Where im from it represents ignorance. All the people i see with that have that flag and stickers on their car are biggit white trash that ARE racist. One of my best friends is black and has been jumped by 6 of the people i am tlaking about and they have placed ropes on his car. So say what you want but that flag to me represents whitetrash in my case.
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^ Cool. You say the flag represents white trash to you, but then at the same time denegrate those people for being racist. I think any fool could see you're a hypocrit.
HOLLA!~
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^ Cool. You say the flag represents white trash to you, but then at the same time denegrate those people for being racist. I think any fool could see you're a hypocrit.
HOLLA!~
I'm sorry but I don't see where u are going with this..... ??? :-\
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He's saying, to him, the rebel flag represents white trash. That's a pretty racist comment, but yet he's being all P.C., acting like the flag represents a struggle and racism to him.
He obviously doesn't give a fuck about people being discriminated against, or racial issues, because he just denegrated every single person who flys a rebel flag as white trash.
In the meantime, I'm sitting here surrounded by the battlefields these people died on, telling him what the rebel flag means to a southerner, and he thinks he knows better, and accuses people like me with a rebel flag as racists... by grouping us all together with a racist statement.
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so im a hypocrit? How about you get an african or mexican friend to come down here and have them try to shake one of what i call "white trash" guys hands. Lets see what happens. You learn to ignore shit like this and stay away from it but to call me ahypocrit makes no sense on your part. And remember it is a symbol, it doesnt have to mean the same thing to everyone.
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so im a hypocrit? How about you get an african or mexican friend to come down here and have them try to shake one of what i call "white trash" guys hands. Lets see what happens. You learn to ignore shit like this and stay away from it but to call me ahypocrit makes no sense on your part. And remember it is a symbol, it doesnt have to mean the same thing to everyone.
LOL. So, lemme follow you. Lil Jon, with a rebel flag in his video, is a symbol of white trash. He's black. My brother has a rebel flag on his truck, we live in a neighborhood where white, black, and mexican kids all play basketball out in front of my house. Since he has a rebel flag, though... my brother is obviously white trash. That's what you think of him, since you see that symbol on his truck.
Again... I'm IN the south... I'm telling you what the flag means to a southerner. You're ignorant of it, so... sit down.
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lol ok whatever man, so im racist now that i have friends of all racist that get beat up by people of the same race as me?
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^ No, you're racist because you assume everyone with a rebel flag is "white trash".
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and im telling you what it means to me from where im from.
http://www.idsnews.com/news/101999/opinion/101999symbol.html
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I noticed you replied, but I didn't read it, because I don't associate with racists. Somebody private message me whenever somebody else posts LOL
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and basically every1 in the town of marana with that flag is racist. Good for your brother maybe he isnt racist but my point is the majority of people wher eim from ARE racist that have this flag. Yeah not everyone who has that flag is racist. So i said it wrong, but hopefully your smart enough to catch my point.
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props to trauma for teaching me something new
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please keep in mind that being "racist" to white trash is not RACISM, but it's a dislike for a certain type of white people, not all. You're the ignorant peace of shit, cuz a lot of people agreed with me on that, including my AP History teacher. The fact is, to the North, the more educated part of the country, the flag represents slavery and hillbilly redneck hick motherfuckers like u
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^ Cool. To the racist in the south, black people represent ignorance and inferiority. That doesn't mean it's right.
Same thing with you, you're ignorant. You're just as bad as a racist, because you see something as something it isn't, all because of your perception of the symbol.
Finally: A Rebel, flying a flag in the south, could give a fuck what a yankee thinks about them. Please understand your opinion is meaningless to me, and you misspelled your name. It's Snoop DOGG, not gogg.
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The fact is, to the North, the more educated part of the country, the flag represents slavery and hillbilly redneck hick motherfuckers like u
you're telling me this isnt racist and discriminatory? that was straight fucked up
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the flag can mean whatever the fuck you want it to mean its a symbol. But too most people it represents slavery and struggle and rebellion and if you dont see that then your the ignorant one. Go read oyur history books and check into the civil war and why they didnt agree with the north. It revolved around slavery.
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the flag can mean whatever the fuck you want it to mean its a symbol. But too most people it represents slavery and struggle and rebellion and if you dont see that then your the ignorant one. Go read oyur history books and check into the civil war and why they didnt agree with the north. It revolved around slavery.
so basically your saying that because that was the flag at the time of slavery then it has to mean slavery...to everybody. good logic...it was also georgias state flag...guess they are all a bunch of racist bigots (i dont know if i spelled that right)...a lot of people in the south fly it...wow they're ALL racist. damn. bastards. ::)
you do realize that people were flying the american flag (or some of the earlier versions) during slavery too...so i guess in that case we're all a bunch of racist assholes.
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I Agree With Trauma.
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Thank you brother.
And again... the ships that carried the slaves over all flew American flags. Why don't you see the American flag as racist?
The Japanese fly the same flag today that they flew when we were at war with them in the 40's, but nobody sees it as anything negative. Most Americans, like myself, think it's beautiful.
We fought to secede from England; but yet I love the English flag. I don't see it as opressive.
Of course, I'm a matured, balanced individual; so maybe I don't have the hangups you have, dosia.
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i think you think a little too highly of yourself, and don't try and make me feel inferior to you by saying i misspelled "snoopgogg", because i did it on purpose. That's one of the weakest comebacks ever
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I don't care if you feel inferior, LOL again, you don't understand "Truth" vs. "Perception". You "Perceive" the flag to stand for racists, but the "Truth" is it doesn't. You "Perceive" I'm trying to make you feel inferior, when the "Truth" is... you already ARE inferior, I don't have to try and do shit.
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hmm...
the flag as a symbol vs. the flag as a symbol...
I've explained what the flag is and what is has become, you've explained that you don't understand the flag.....can we drop this now?
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you being SnoopGogg and Dosia.
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OK, i don't even wanna discuss the flag anymore; now i just wanna cum on this asshole's mom's face (I Just Wasn't Made For These Times)
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Wow you hate him so much you want to engage in Bukakke with his mother?......you got problems homie ::)
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OK, i don't even wanna discuss the flag anymore; now i just wanna cum on this asshole's mom's face (I Just Wasn't Made For These Times)
why according to you shes obviously white trash just like the rest of america.