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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Suffice on April 03, 2004, 12:09:19 AM
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We still got DJ Quik, Fredwreck, Warren G, Scott Storch, Battlecat....
Why are ya'll still stuck on dre? he's a bitch, so let's just move on and get him out of our systems, he ain't coming back, and he's a bitch. oh yeah, he's a bitch!!!! Biattchh!!
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man shut the fuck up dre wasn't shit to begin with.
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*sniff sniff* i smell haterz is that you luke?
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*sniff sniff* i smell haterz is that you luke?
lol
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man fuck you...tell me what dre was to begin with? he made a few dope beats...and a dope album BACK IN FUCKING 92! he hasnt made shit since then except a compilation which flopped and another album that while its dope as fuck...really isnt anything special. people have always acted like dre is a god and dre hasnt ever been anything special, hes another producer and another rapper and thats it.
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Dre makes some of the dopest beats but I wish he would work with the westcoast.
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Dre makes some of the dopest beats but I wish he would work with the westcoast.
Word up... Dre definitely needs to show more love to people on the westcoast. He needs to hit em up with some beats, and slow down on some of the eastcoast cats he fucks with...
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We still got DJ Quik, Fredwreck, Warren G, Scott Storch, Battlecat....
Why are ya'll still stuck on dre? he's a bitch, so let's just move on and get him out of our systems, he ain't coming back, and he's a bitch. oh yeah, he's a bitch!!!! Biattchh!!
D/J Quik > dre
You better believe it!!!
*knoCKs GET LOOSE - SUGA FREE*
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quik is ma nigga ;D ;D ;D
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*knoCKs GET LOOSE - SUGA FREE*
Big Saccs did Get loose.
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Do you really think he gives a shit about the westcoast ? Dre wants to work with rappers that can make him lots of cash
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The only thing in where Dre is superior to the other westcoast producers is that the mainstream loves him.
In terms of the quality of the music, sure he is a great producer, but with people like Warren G, DJ Quik, Battlecat, Scott Storch, Fredwreck, Saccs, Soopafly, Damizza,etc. I ain't missing him.
He aint down with the westcoast anymore, he's down with whoever got the money. Let's move on.
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He aint down with the westcoast anymore, he's down with whoever got the money. Let's move on.
Isn't Dr. working on an album to release this year?
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man fuck you...tell me what dre was to begin with? he made a few dope beats...and a dope album BACK IN FUCKING 92! he hasnt made shit since then except a compilation which flopped and another album that while its dope as fuck...really isnt anything special. people have always acted like dre is a god and dre hasnt ever been anything special, hes another producer and another rapper and thats it.
What About 2001? 97% Westcoast Arist & writers.... Wheres the Love? ??? :'(
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that some still respect Dre as the Goat for an Album more than a decade ago is plain ridiculous.
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He aint down with the westcoast anymore, he's down with whoever got the money. Let's move on.
Isn't Dr. working on an album to release this year?
Is him?
You sure?
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that some still respect Dre as the Goat for an Album more than a decade ago is plain ridiculous.
same for snoop ;)
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you cant dj quik is better then dre.no way.when dre makes a beat evrybody sounds good on it.50 cent,snoop,xzibit,knoc...it is automaticly a great song.when quik makes a beat its not like that.that roscoe joint on his album sucked,new knoctrurnal song sucks.and dre can make laid back beats and bangers.quik can only make laid bac tracks which are very good.
so dre was,is and will be the best westcoast producer whether you like it or not
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What About 2001? 97% Westcoast Arist & writers.... Wheres the Love? ??? :'(
Damn right.
But yeah, it's too bad that Dre doesn't work with West Coast cats anymore, not that much at least. But while that sucks ass, he still makes dope beats. Can't nobody deny that.
I think it's dumb to argue who's the greatest from the West though. It don't matter shit who's the best. What matters is what they put out for the listeners - us - to enjoy. Dre puts out stuff with his current label mates right now. That's what he does. Quik does a new West Coast hit every now and then, puts out his own label mates with the random odd job with other dudes (like Jay-Z). Warren doesn't (sadly) do much for some reason, but every time I hear a new beat by Warren I hear the muthafucka still got the touch, last time on the True Crime soundtrack.
What I'm trying to say is this - quit the bullshit about who's the best from the West. Just listen to the music and enjoy. That's what I do - I got mad respect for all of them guys - Dre, Quik, Warren, Battlecat, Fredwreck, you name it - and I listen to 'em all. I don't want to see who emerges trimphant after the others have quit, I just wanna hear all their shit.
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Dr.Dre = G.O.A.T. of hiphop producers
I can understand why he doesn't produce as much for Westcoast acts, half of them is some hating ass jealous bitches.
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if the rest of the west would reach out to the rest of the country instead of being on some "Our side only" shit
maybe those other artists would shine alot more
cause the truth is while the rest of the country is showin love and working with rappers EVERYWERE cause in music today it aint where you from its who you down with
and we're all ONE NATION so when the artists stop with there WESSSSSSSSTSIDDDDDDDDDEEEEEE FUCC EVERYONE ELSE!! mentality then maybe the west would shine because right now 75% of the west are trashing anyone who isnt from LA or the bay
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in the words of 3-6 mafia
WHO GIVES A FUCK WHERE YOU FROM
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Trizz is on point, Fuck whoever is with the coastal battles.. The west won't blow up because it is on some 2Pac fuck everyone else shit.."Why won't Dre do shit with West Coast acts?" WAAAAH!.. Because 85% of the West Coast rappers are on some CKBK shit and are worthless gangbangers.
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We still got DJ Quik, Fredwreck, Warren G, Scott Storch, Battlecat....
Don't forget E-A-SKI !
and warren g aint doing much shit it seems
is it true i heard there is not a single beat from warren g on 213, if it is, thats just crazy
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that some still respect Dre as the Goat for an Album more than a decade ago is plain ridiculous.
same for snoop ;)
and elvis, and hendrix, and sinatra, and bob dylan.........
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yeah we have all these other producers but no one else from this board know who they are only Dr. Dre he is the biggest name when it comes to produceing! and you cant denie that but there are good newcomers like Kayne West and a few others...
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Dre is the greatest producer of all-time. Period. He's a genius. However, he decided to sell out and support artists from Detroit and New York instead of artists from Cali. It's a damn shame. I'm still a fan of his though cuz he still makes bangin' ass beats. As for $$$noop, not only did he sell out but he fell waaaaay off. Fuck him.
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man im so tired of this coastal shit...its rediculous
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Half of ya'll mothafuckas are from Sweeden and shit, you don't have any say on what goes on..
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Half of ya'll mothafuckas are from Sweeden and shit, you don't have any say on what goes on..
lmao so true
im from seattle and yet i listen to 90% eastcoast stuff...and why? because im tired of always hearing the hating on the east when i listen to west.
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^^^^^^stupid comment like someone else said it dont matter where your from the west got to unite first dre aint gonna do a miracle
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Trizz is on point, Fuck whoever is with the coastal battles.. The west won't blow up because it is on some 2Pac fuck everyone else shit.."Why won't Dre do shit with West Coast acts?" WAAAAH!.. Because 85% of the West Coast rappers are on some CKBK shit and are worthless gangbangers.
Aceyalone, Crooked I, Sly Boogy, Trendsetta, Alkoholiks, Defari, Phil Da Agony, Krondon, Frontline, Balance, F.A.B., Hiero, Murs, Tha Mexakinz, Psycho Realm, Of Mexican Descent, Shade Sheist, Techniec, Visionaries, Delinquent Habits, Hip Hop Klan, Abstract Rude, Spitfiya, Scipio, Ras Kass, E-40, Knumskull, Saafir, JayTee, F.E., Federation.
I can go on. None of these guys are gangstas.
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LMAO @ Luke sayin dre ain't done shit. dude you are too funny, stick to your gay ass boy band shit. Dre is no doubt one of the most revolutionary people ever in rap, and maybe in music in general.
Dre started this mutha fuckin gangsta shit
And this the mutha fuckin thanks he get?
I ain't really been into dre for the last few years cause I don't like the artists he has been producing for, but I ain't gonna deny what he has done in his carreer.
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LMAO @ Luke sayin dre ain't done shit. dude you are too funny, stick to your gay ass boy band shit. Dre is no doubt one of the most revolutionary people ever in rap, and maybe in music in general.
Dre started this mutha fuckin gangsta shit
And this the mutha fuckin thanks he get?
I ain't really been into dre for the last few years cause I don't like the artists he has been producing for, but I ain't gonna deny what he has done in his carreer.
like i said he did some good shit back 12 or 15 years ago...but he hasnt done shit since then. 2001 was dope but nothing revolutionary...
so since oh lets say...doggystyle (which by the way i hated but most people liked so ill give him the benefit of the doubt)...what has he done thats so good...a few songs w/ pac...a compilation which flopped horribly...a good album...various productions on artists that nobody really cares about...a few weak ass acting parts (although i think he did a good job in training day)...he has signed and lost a bunch of different artists.
the only thing i can say he's done thats memorable and good was to give eminem his shot and bring him into the mainstream...i'll give him whats due for that...other than that dre hasnt been shit for 8 to 10 years.
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lol@ some of the bullshit in this.......
dre is the sickest producer in hiphop......is pretty much the sickest producer in the music industry at the moment, the only one who makes hits consistantly when he makes a beat........he aint livin off his past name at all.......i mean he still bringin hits for everyone.........its jus he dont make many beats as some people, but whe he drops his beats, they still better than anyone else......even if some of them dont be singles.....look at his work on obies album, g-unit........50 cent......maybe not made many beats or wernt all used as singles, but they were by far the most complete n best beats on them........man some cats can say eminem is a dope producer and hate on dre......shit makes me laugh........but i guess everyone got their opinion...........but dre dont giv a shit about cats who hatin on him, he knows as long as he keeps goin, he'll go down as a great......and his finally workin with a westcoast artist in game.....and so giv him a lil less hate.......let him do his thang man.......like he said, he aint got nuttin to prove now, he jus duz it for the love of music.......he made niggaz in massive stars man, he'll get his props........................im just pissed the fuck off at him not doin another studio album......would have shitted on all his aftermath/shady/g-unit albums he workin on
peace
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Dr.Dre = G.O.A.T. of hiphop producers
I can understand why he doesn't produce as much for Westcoast acts, half of them is some hating ass jealous bitches.
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dre is tight..
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thats y I said 85% because People like dilated, ace, Rass Kass, etc. are not on that shit
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Dr.Dre = G.O.A.T. of hiphop producers
I can understand why he doesn't produce as much for Westcoast acts, half of them is some hating ass jealous bitches.
LMAO! I actually don't care anymore. The only time Dre comes dope is on his own albums, or when he does shit for Snoop. I'm glad he's working with people outside of the West. Less weak ass beats for us. ;D
Y'all can throw around that "Dr. Dre is the greatest producer in Hip Hop" shit all you want. Just because you say it's so doesn't mean it is. You have your opinions & I have mine. This is a never-ending argument.
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LMAO! I actually don't care anymore. The only time Dre comes dope is on his own albums, or when he does shit for Snoop. I'm glad he's working with people outside of the West. Less weak ass beats for us. ;D
Y'all can throw around that "Dr. Dre is the greatest producer in Hip Hop" shit all you want. Just because you say it's so doesn't mean it is. You have your opinions & I have mine. This is a never-ending argument.
True, you are entitled to your wrong opinion.. :)
But when it all comes down to it, if every hiphop fan voted for the best hiphop producer ever, who would be entitled the supreme winner with more than 70% of the votes ? ;)
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LMAO! I actually don't care anymore. The only time Dre comes dope is on his own albums, or when he does shit for Snoop. I'm glad he's working with people outside of the West. Less weak ass beats for us. ;D
Y'all can throw around that "Dr. Dre is the greatest producer in Hip Hop" shit all you want. Just because you say it's so doesn't mean it is. You have your opinions & I have mine. This is a never-ending argument.
True, you are entitled to your wrong opinion.. :)
But when it all comes down to it, if every hiphop fan voted for the best hiphop producer ever, who would be entitled the supreme winner with more than 70% of the votes ? ;)
LOL @ wrong opinion. I almost missed that one. ;D
Yeah, Dre would probably win but I could give a fuck about votes. I judge who's hot & who's not by what I like, not what other people like.
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damn so many posts about dre. at some level every1 wanted detox to bring the west back, whether yall like it not. y else would there be so much outrage aabout him scrapping detox. he's just a washed up has been right? ;). give it a rest. theres a lot more to look forward to.
peace
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Good @ Luke sayin dre ain't done shit.Dre is good but not great
Dre started this mutha fuckin gangsta shit(get outta here!)
And this the mutha fuckin thanks he get?(fuck a thank you,he ain't did shit!)
I ain't really been into dre for the last few years
Schoolly D the real creator of this gangster shit,he never got a thanks or nothing except from Eazy(Boyz-N-The Hood),and Ice-T(6 In Da Morning),but damn man It kills me that West Coast MC's like Ice Cube saying they gangsta!After 1990,Dre hasn't made a good album since!I'm sick of Dre!Fuck him!
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thats y I said 85% because People like dilated, ace, Rass Kass, etc. are not on that shit
Those cats make up WAY more than 15% of the Hip Hop population out here.
Trust me man, the Backpackers are DEEP out here. Go to 2MexLA.com and check out the store. That's a good amount of what the other side of the West has to offer.
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Dre is the greatest producer of all-time. Period. He's a genius. However, he decided to sell out and support artists from Detroit and New York instead of artists from Cali. It's a damn shame. I'm still a fan of his though cuz he still makes bangin' ass beats. As for $$$noop, not only did he sell out but he fell waaaaay off. Fuck him.
Dr. Dre isn't the greatest...he did steal beats from O.F.T.B. and that guy who really made the beat for GAME OVER [SCARFACE - UNTOUCHABLE CD].
Yeah,Dre sold out and I agree 100% with the $noop comment.
*knoCKs WHY U BSING - SUGA FREE*
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Dr.Dre = G.O.A.T. of hiphop producers
I can understand why he doesn't produce as much for Westcoast acts, half of them is some hating ass jealous bitches.
LMAO! I actually don't care anymore. The only time Dre comes dope is on his own albums, or when he does shit for Snoop. I'm glad he's working with people outside of the West. Less weak ass beats for us. ;D
So you ain't feelin' beats like "Guilty Conscience", "Oh", "G'd Up", etc?
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Dr.Dre = G.O.A.T. of hiphop producers
I can understand why he doesn't produce as much for Westcoast acts, half of them is some hating ass jealous bitches.
LMAO! I actually don't care anymore. The only time Dre comes dope is on his own albums, or when he does shit for Snoop. I'm glad he's working with people outside of the West. Less weak ass beats for us. ;D
So you ain't feelin' beats like "Guilty Conscience", "Oh", "G'd Up", etc?
I don't remember how Oh sounds, but I can't stand the other 2. Seriously, I wasn't hyped about Detox but I thought it'd be a solid album. The fact that it ain't coming out really doesn't bother me. I hardly ever listen to Dre.
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LOL, all you who say dre ain't done shit are stupid as hell. guess what the fuck you morons are doing? Uh.....posting on a WESTCOAST RAP FORUM Dre is a huge part of getting the westcoast rap scene on the map, whether you like it or not. all of NWA, all of the best era of Deathrow, and the only westcoast album to do well besides sellout doggy dogg since the fall of deathrow. you can say that dre wasn't part of it, or he ain't gangsta, or whatever ya hatin asses wanna say, but point blank - Dre HAS done shit. Name 1 person from Cali that has done more than Dre....
and back it up with what they have done.
I like Quik more than I like Dre, but to say that Quik has done more than Dre is just ridiculous. same with cube, same with snoop, same with Pac.
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Dre is a huge part of getting the westcoast rap scene on the map, whether you like it or not. all of NWA, all of the best era of Deathrow, and the only westcoast album to do well besides sellout doggy dogg since the fall of deathrow. you can say that dre wasn't part of it, or he ain't gangsta, or whatever ya hatin asses wanna say, but point blank - Dre HAS done shit. Name 1 person from Cali that has done more than Dre....
everybody is giving dre his props for doing shit back in the day...but as you just proved in your paragraph...the only thing he's done since the fall of death row is his 1 good album...which means dre hasnt been shit since about 96 at the latest.
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which means dre hasnt been shit since about 96 at the latest.
LOLLOL, whatever man... yo Luke you get real annoying with comments like this...
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Dre is a huge part of getting the westcoast rap scene on the map, whether you like it or not. all of NWA, all of the best era of Deathrow, and the only westcoast album to do well besides sellout doggy dogg since the fall of deathrow. you can say that dre wasn't part of it, or he ain't gangsta, or whatever ya hatin asses wanna say, but point blank - Dre HAS done shit. Name 1 person from Cali that has done more than Dre....
everybody is giving dre his props for doing shit back in the day...but as you just proved in your paragraph...the only thing he's done since the fall of death row is his 1 good album...which means dre hasnt been shit since about 96 at the latest.
Try reading smart guy. like I said, name one westcoast rapper who has had any impact on the music industry besides sellout doggy dogg. Rappers and producers come a dime a dozen, dre is an outlier in the music industry. and not to mention, just cuz he ain't done shit for the westcoast in a few years doesn't take away the fact of what he has done. 2Pac ain't done a goddamn thang for years, that don't take away his legacy, and same goez for eazy e. Quentin Tarintino goes years without putting out a movie, does that mean that he is not a great director or producer?
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Dre is a huge part of getting the westcoast rap scene on the map, whether you like it or not. all of NWA, all of the best era of Deathrow, and the only westcoast album to do well besides sellout doggy dogg since the fall of deathrow. you can say that dre wasn't part of it, or he ain't gangsta, or whatever ya hatin asses wanna say, but point blank - Dre HAS done shit. Name 1 person from Cali that has done more than Dre....
everybody is giving dre his props for doing shit back in the day...but as you just proved in your paragraph...the only thing he's done since the fall of death row is his 1 good album...which means dre hasnt been shit since about 96 at the latest.
Try reading smart guy. like I said, name one westcoast rapper who has had any impact on the music industry besides sellout doggy dogg. Rappers and producers come a dime a dozen, dre is an outlier in the music industry. and not to mention, just cuz he ain't done shit for the westcoast in a few years doesn't take away the fact of what he has done. 2Pac ain't done a goddamn thang for years, that don't take away his legacy, and same goez for eazy e. Quentin Tarintino goes years without putting out a movie, does that mean that he is not a great director or producer?
im not debating the undeniable fact that dre IS A GREAT producer...but he's not a god like some people on here make him out to be...you're right...nobody has done anything for the westcoast since about 96...but that doesnt make dre the West coast savior. 2pac has had albums consistently coming out since his death which have kept his legacy alive...if he had stopped with makaveli then pac would be nothing more than a memory and a few scratched cds in somebody's collection. dre has a legacy...but legacies are what happens after somebody falls off or dies...
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man shut the fuck up dre wasn't shit to begin with.
im not debating the undeniable fact that dre IS A GREAT producer
am I missing something?
oh and 2Pac has not had albums consistently comming out since his death. afeni and suge have had 2Pac albums comming out. and imo they have done nothing but ruin pac's legacy. try listening to some westcoast rap before you try debating about it dude. you don't see me debating about gay ass boy bands or ja rule do you?
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This is a theory I have. Dre made 2001, he gave a LOT of westcoast artists exposure. But nobody took it to the next level. He gave all these Westcoast artists a solid platform to build on, but nobody really took advantage. It's like, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it. He led all these rappers to the water, but nobody took a drink. So now Dre's like, whatever. He'll just do what HE wants to do.
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man shut the fuck up dre wasn't shit to begin with.
im not debating the undeniable fact that dre IS A GREAT producer
am I missing something?
oh and 2Pac has not had albums consistently comming out since his death. afeni and suge have had 2Pac albums comming out. and imo they have done nothing but ruin pac's legacy. try listening to some westcoast rap before you try debating about it dude. you don't see me debating about gay ass boy bands or ja rule do you?
the fact is 2pac albums have been consistently coming out...and TO YOU they have done nothing but ruin his legacy...not everybody feels that way. i love the albums put out since his death...i love the albums put out before his death...theres obviously a big difference in them but i dont think it ruined shit.
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man shut the fuck up dre wasn't shit to begin with.
im not debating the undeniable fact that dre IS A GREAT producer
am I missing something?
yeah sorry i probably confused a lot of people...that first part was worded wrong...dre is a great producer but he hasnt been shit since the late 90's (with the exception of a few moments here and there)...he's no westcoast god.
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any pac fan from back in the day knows that the albums that have came out since his death, with the exception of makaveli, have showcased none of the real talent 2pac has. of course you would like them, just look at your fuckin opinion of music. snoop dogg has consistently put out albums, does that make him good? fuck no. I would have 100x the respect I have for him now if he would have stopped after the doggfather. and back to the pac subject: at least half of the production and half the guest were never even supposed to be used with the pac material. he didn't work wit any of those fags, so yez, it did ruin his legacy. but you would only know this if you were a WESTCOAST rap fan.
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any pac fan from back in the day knows that the albums that have came out since his death, with the exception of makaveli, have showcased none of the real talent 2pac has. of course you would like them, just look at your fuckin opinion of music. snoop dogg has consistently put out albums, does that make him good? fuck no. I would have 100x the respect I have for him now if he would have stopped after the doggfather. and back to the pac subject: at least half of the production and half the guest were never even supposed to be used with the pac material. he didn't work wit any of those fags, so yez, it did ruin his legacy. but you would only know this if you were a WESTCOAST rap fan.
1) i was a 2pac fan back in the day...you act like i just got into rap...no homie...ive been into rap for years.
2) i hate snoop dogg...have for a long time
3) you're right that shit doesnt showcase pacs talent...thats probably why it wasnt released! but i'd rather hear it now then never hear it at all...ya feel me?
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any pac fan from back in the day knows that the albums that have came out since his death, with the exception of makaveli, have showcased none of the real talent 2pac has. of course you would like them, just look at your fuckin opinion of music. snoop dogg has consistently put out albums, does that make him good? fuck no. I would have 100x the respect I have for him now if he would have stopped after the doggfather. and back to the pac subject: at least half of the production and half the guest were never even supposed to be used with the pac material. he didn't work wit any of those fags, so yez, it did ruin his legacy. but you would only know this if you were a WESTCOAST rap fan.
1) i was a 2pac fan back in the day...you act like i just got into rap...no homie...ive been into rap for years.
2) i hate snoop dogg...have for a long time
3) you're right that shit doesnt showcase pacs talent...thats probably why it wasnt released! but i'd rather hear it now then never hear it at all...ya feel me?
I do believe you just got into rap, from what I can tell from your posts. my bad if you have been into it longer, but from what I get from what you post in this section, sounds like you just got into rap. and you can hear pretty much every pac song that has been released, in its og form, which are way better than the remixes made, so no I don't feel ya. and to top it off, I would much rather not have heard any of it, rather then hear this remixed bullshit, especially that nu mixx garbage excuse for a pac cd. and what does you hateing snoop have to do with anything? I just gave an example of how an artist putting out consistent albums shows nothing about them, and in my example, can show how it can ruin an artists career. dre ain't put out consistent albums, but he sure has one helluva better career than snoop.
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all you've been doing this entire time is attacking my credibility...like anyone really gives a damn...you've been telling me i dont listen to westcoast rap...heres just a few artists who i own cds of
mack 10, 2pac, boo ya tribe, warren g, dr. dre, ice cube, mike mosley, coolio, knocturnal, etc...
yes i do listen to mostly east coast rap...but why does that make me any less of a 2pac or dre fan? stop attacking my credibility and actually listen to what im saying. i agree nu mixx klazzics was horrible and i would cut my ears off before listening to that garbage one more time...but until the end of time was dope, better days was dope (despite some peoples opinions), still i rise was dope (and i think even you can agree with that), R U Still Down was alright, Resurrection was weak considering there were only a couple new remixes. it was a good comp. of old shit though. then you say "the shit put out doesnt showcase his talent...but you can hear it in the OG versions"...well...umm...either way...ITS STILL THE SAME VERSES! the only difference between the OG versions and the remixes that have dropped are beats and guest appearances...neither of which have anything to do with showcasing pacs talent. so get off it.
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.then you say "the shit put out doesnt showcase his talent...but you can hear it in the OG versions"...well...umm...either way...ITS STILL THE SAME VERSES! the only difference between the OG versions and the remixes that have dropped are beats and guest appearances...neither of which have anything to do with showcasing pacs talent. so get off it.
exactly why I have been attacking your credibility. I'm not even gonna explain. go download the og versions of pac songs and then get back to me. there is a whole lot more than just remixed beats and new guests added. Here is a hint: IT'S NOT THE SAME VERSES!
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.then you say "the shit put out doesnt showcase his talent...but you can hear it in the OG versions"...well...umm...either way...ITS STILL THE SAME VERSES! the only difference between the OG versions and the remixes that have dropped are beats and guest appearances...neither of which have anything to do with showcasing pacs talent. so get off it.
exactly why I have been attacking your credibility. I'm not even gonna explain. go download the og versions of pac songs and then get back to me. there is a whole lot more than just remixed beats and new guests added. Here is a hint: IT'S NOT THE SAME VERSES!
then you've just proved my other point...i'd rather hear the verses that werent released than not hear them at all.
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.then you say "the shit put out doesnt showcase his talent...but you can hear it in the OG versions"...well...umm...either way...ITS STILL THE SAME VERSES! the only difference between the OG versions and the remixes that have dropped are beats and guest appearances...neither of which have anything to do with showcasing pacs talent. so get off it.
exactly why I have been attacking your credibility. I'm not even gonna explain. go download the og versions of pac songs and then get back to me. there is a whole lot more than just remixed beats and new guests added. Here is a hint: IT'S NOT THE SAME VERSES!
then you've just proved my other point...i'd rather hear the verses that werent released than not hear them at all.
uhh...I didn't prove any of your points at all. the only points that I saw you trying to make in this thread were that dre sucks, and 2pac's post humous material is just as good as his other material. both of which I completely disagree with. You are just in another thread arguing for no fuckin reason. again I showed that you don't know what you are talking about, yet you continue to argue. stick to the anything goes part of the forum and the TQ message boards.
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IT'S NOT THE SAME VERSES!
Most of them are actually.
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the only points that I saw you trying to make in this thread were that dre sucks,
actually i said entirely otherwise...here is my exact quote(s):
im not debating the undeniable fact that dre IS A GREAT producer...but he's not a god like some people on here make him out to be...
dre is a great producer but he hasnt been shit since the late 90's (with the exception of a few moments here and there)...he's no westcoast god.
and 2pac's post humous material is just as good as his other material. both of which I completely disagree with.
again...you're mistaken...you're telling me im in a thread arguing for no fucking reason...yet you're the one not comprehending anything im saying...sounds to me like the only one arguing for no reason is you...so here's my actual quotes once again proving you wrong.
i love the albums put out since his death...i love the albums put out before his death...theres obviously a big difference in them but i dont think it ruined shit.
3) you're right that shit doesnt showcase pacs talent...thats probably why it wasnt released! but i'd rather hear it now then never hear it at all...ya feel me?
next time read what im saying before you argue with me.
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the only thing he's done since the fall of death row is his 1 good album...which means dre hasnt been shit since about 96 at the latest.
LMAO this kidd is stupid
really...tell me what he's done besides 2001...a few decent beats for some wack artists...and brought eminem into the mainstream. thats it.
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the only thing he's done since the fall of death row is his 1 good album...which means dre hasnt been shit since about 96 at the latest.
LMAO you CANT be serious. this kidd is stupid
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the only thing he's done since the fall of death row is his 1 good album...which means dre hasnt been shit since about 96 at the latest.
LMAO this kidd is stupid
really...tell me what he's done besides 2001...a few decent beats for some wack artists...and brought eminem into the mainstream. thats it.
^ that alone should be enough. and dre has done waaay more than the stuff you named. not necssarly solo albums, but the fact that he produced countless hits since 1996, hell even 2000. of course he wouldnt be at where he is now if it wasnt for his death row stuff, but i can name you at least 15 good songs since chronic 2001. now tell me who has accomplished more than that?
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man, u guy's CAN'T deny that dre has made a lot of bitch moves like keeping several rappers' albums from dropping when they were already ready (Hittman, King T, Last Emperor, Rakim...). Also, Dre is rich up the ass, as we all probably know, so signing rappers like the G-Unit, Stat Quo and 50Cent was a fucking ridiculous thing to do. EVERY hip hop head knows that these cats suck donkey nuts, and it's obvious that they were only signed because they're crowd pleasers. This shows that dre is STILL in it for the money, whereas he should just help out dope cats from the west, east, or wherever by now, instead of signing talentless elementary school dropouts.
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goddamn, ya'll don't fuck around when it comes to some fuckin dr dre!!
I think its safe to say were all bitter about the current detox status, it would have immeadiately put the west on top! I really do think we'll see detox hit the shelves one day, but 2001 just came out. dre only drops like once every 10 years. so its still a bit early in my opinion. only time will tell but it seems like the only time the west eats is if dre drops an album. thats alot of pressure for one producer.
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goddamn, ya'll don't fuck around when it comes to some fuckin dr dre!!
I think its safe to say were all bitter about the current detox status, it would have immeadiately put the west on top! I really do think we'll see detox hit the shelves one day, but 2001 just came out. dre only drops like once every 10 years. so its still a bit early in my opinion. only time will tell but it seems like the only time the west eats is if dre drops an album. thats alot of pressure for one producer.
I'm not bitter. The album may have brought the West some shine, but I don't care anymore. I'll like the West regardless.
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I still have respect for Dre, though. He's done a lot for the West Coast.
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not bitter. The album may have brought the West some shine, but I don't care anymore. I'll like the West regardless.
I feel you homie. I just wish the rest of the hip hop community felt that way. I feel like dre has a fucked up work ethic.
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the only thing he's done since the fall of death row is his 1 good album...which means dre hasnt been shit since about 96 at the latest.
LMAO this kidd is stupid
really...tell me what he's done besides 2001...a few decent beats for some wack artists...and brought eminem into the mainstream. thats it.
^ that alone should be enough. and dre has done waaay more than the stuff you named. not necssarly solo albums, but the fact that he produced countless hits since 1996, hell even 2000. of course he wouldnt be at where he is now if it wasnt for his death row stuff, but i can name you at least 15 good songs since chronic 2001. now tell me who has accomplished more than that?
word, man its pretty obvious to say luke dont really know shit
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the only thing he's done since the fall of death row is his 1 good album...which means dre hasnt been shit since about 96 at the latest.
LMAO this kidd is stupid
really...tell me what he's done besides 2001...a few decent beats for some wack artists...and brought eminem into the mainstream. thats it.
^ that alone should be enough. and dre has done waaay more than the stuff you named. not necssarly solo albums, but the fact that he produced countless hits since 1996, hell even 2000. of course he wouldnt be at where he is now if it wasnt for his death row stuff, but i can name you at least 15 good songs since chronic 2001. now tell me who has accomplished more than that?
word, man its pretty obvious to say luke dont really know shit
Exactly... that alone IS enough... Yo Luke quit arguing just for the sake of arguing... half the threads I see you in your talkin outta your ass to someone and it's not always right like you might think... Grundy's got you on this one so just drop it... and move on to your next argument 8)
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2001 alone was worth it? worth acting like dre is the savior of the west?
then in that case we all better praise mobb deep for making classic albums back in the day but only putting out one good albums since the mid 90's...
or how about snoop? i mean...if one good album in 10 years makes dre the godfather of the westcoast...then how about $ellout doggy dogg? i mean...he's put out a couple of semi decent albums (i enjoyed a few tracks from each...but i hate snoop)...and sold out....you can't say dre hasnt sold out...shit i dare anyone to say dre hasnt sold out.
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who said dre hasn't sold out? of course he has sold out. just cause a rappers sells out doesn't mean that they can't still make good music. snoop still makes a decent song every once in awhile, and Xzibit still makes great music, Cube still makes some good music. Daz and kurupt even still make some good music. Nate usually always comes tight. But imo all those rappers have sold out.
All you are doing luke is reaching for new ways to argue, much like you do in just about every thread you post in. give it up already.
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i, the person who started the thread, am not saying that Dre SUCKS!!! he's a good producer, although not the most advanced - the beats are usually simple but catchy. What i am saying, thouhgh, is that dre is a litttle biaaaaaaaaaaatch for fucking over so many people. You know it's true. He don't need all that money, but he still craves for more. Fuck him! Y'all still havent convinced me otherwise.
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I'm not trying to convince you, I could care less who the fuck you like. Point is if you deny what dre has done you are either just really dumb, or a straight hater. or both.
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you say im the one finding reason to argue? yet you're the one who said flat out that i was trying to prove that dre sucks and pacs post-death shit was better than the before death shit...yet i never said either of those things...so who's the one arguing for the sake of it?
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dont argue dre sucks ;D
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I'll let the hate & jealousy stop for this time, there's probably gonna be more Dre-hating threads.
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