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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Real American on May 07, 2004, 06:07:30 PM
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I have been doing a lot of reading about radical Muslim groups in Britain and I have to say I was shocked to say the least. There were several articles about this Abu Hamza guy who is one of the leading terrorists in your country. He openly boasts about his hatred for the west and his desire to make Britain an islamic state through whatever means necessary. Hamza also held a celebration on the anniversary of September 11th to honor the 19 hijackers. Just earlier this week, his group held a march in dowtown London shouting "Bomb New York, Bomb London" and proceeded to burn British flags.
So my question to you Brits is this: how is this guy still alive? If radical Muslims burnt American flags and shouted slogans encouraging terrorist attacks anywhere in America then there would be nothing left of them. Brave, patriotic Americans would have taken them out with a bullet very quickly. I can't believe you guys let these animals do that in your own country. It is disgusting.
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And seriously to the Americans, what do you think would happen if some Muslims tried this in public in one of our cities. LOL, it would be very ugly.
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Freedom Of Speech.
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And seriously to the Americans, what do you think would happen if some Muslims tried this in public in one of our cities. LOL, it would be very ugly.
well it depends. a majority of these americans are jus pussies who wont actually do shit. for example those fuckin retards in the military... a bunch of people who were nothing but losers back at home. they go to iraq, being in the lowest fuckin rank possible, some of them national guards, and what do they do? they want to feel important, and use innocent prisoners (the guy who was dragged by that woman was arrested for not having his car registration... not a POW). these retards in the military want to feel like they're somebody in life. they want to feel like they have power because here in america they were a bunch of pussy ass losers who probably just ran their mouth for everything. they go there and cant fight, so they humiliate prisoners, someone in a lower position than them. 2 sum it up yall just a buncha pussies talking and would only do sumthin if u had the upperhand.
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I have been doing a lot of reading about radical Muslim groups in Britain and I have to say I was shocked to say the least. There were several articles about this Abu Hamza guy who is one of the leading terrorists in your country. He openly boasts about his hatred for the west and his desire to make Britain an islamic state through whatever means necessary. Hamza also held a celebration on the anniversary of September 11th to honor the 19 hijackers. Just earlier this week, his group held a march in dowtown London shouting "Bomb New York, Bomb London" and proceeded to burn British flags.
So my question to you Brits is this: how is this guy still alive? If radical Muslims burnt American flags and shouted slogans encouraging terrorist attacks anywhere in America then there would be nothing left of them. Brave, patriotic Americans would have taken them out with a bullet very quickly. I can't believe you guys let these animals do that in your own country. It is disgusting.
Like someone said, it's freedom of speech. It's ironic how you call them "brave americans" and then say "take them out with a bullet very quickly" ... how brave, take someone out for stating there views, and with a bullet no less
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guns are the answer to everything in america thats why there are more gun shops than petrol stations there. murder is common place in america it has helped them to be poineers in gun shot wound treatments well with the help of wars also.
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Like someone said, it's freedom of speech. It's ironic how you call them "brave americans" and then say "take them out with a bullet very quickly" ... how brave, take someone out for stating there views, and with a bullet no less
Dear God you guys are brainwashed. You have people in your own country who hate you, hate your culture, hate your religion, and want you to die......and yet you sit there and fercociously defend them. Wake the fuck up. Your countries are slowly being invaded by the enemy and you could care less. Look around the world in countries where the Muslim population is growing like Nigeria, Indonesia, etc Muslims are using violence to overthrow governments and Britain will be next on the list. And here you morons are defending them.
I fear for the future of western civilization when morons like Irish Thug are ralleying to the defense of people who want them dead.
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Like someone said, it's freedom of speech. It's ironic how you call them "brave americans" and then say "take them out with a bullet very quickly" ... how brave, take someone out for stating there views, and with a bullet no less
Dear God you guys are brainwashed. You have people in your own country who hate you, hate your culture, hate your religion, and want you to die......and yet you sit there and fercociously defend them. Wake the fuck up. Your countries are slowly being invaded by the enemy and you could care less. Look around the world in countries where the Muslim population is growing like Nigeria, Indonesia, etc Muslims are using violence to overthrow governments and Britain will be next on the list. And here you morons are defending them.
I fear for the future of western civilization when morons like Irish Thug are ralleying to the defense of people who want them dead.
your ancestors invaded "your" country too you big-ass hypocritical moron. straight out of ukraine, arent you, ARENT YOU?!? your luck ppl in ukraine are white like cocaine, otherwise you wont be able to act like a white original (wait, are original americans really white... hmm... noo..) american. moron.
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Freedom Of Speech.
Freedom to take a 9mm and put a bullet in one of those fucker's heads.
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Freedom Of Speech.
Freedom to take a 9mm and put a bullet in one of those fucker's heads.
Typical American response. Don't agree with someone, just take them out.
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And seriously to the Americans, what do you think would happen if some Muslims tried this in public in one of our cities. LOL, it would be very ugly.
Yeah, there would be a serious misunderstanding. If I see a motherfucker burning a flag and shit near me some furniture's getting rearranged.
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And seriously to the Americans, what do you think would happen if some Muslims tried this in public in one of our cities. LOL, it would be very ugly.
Yeah, there would be a serious misunderstanding. If I see a motherfucker burning a flag and shit near me some furniture's getting rearranged.
Actually, some tires would be slashed.
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Freedom Of Speech.
Freedom to take a 9mm and put a bullet in one of those fucker's heads.
Typical American response. Don't agree with someone, just take them out.
Typical dumbass response. Let me educate the unintelligent, as I do oh so often on this board.
There's a FUCKING DIFFERENCE, believe it or not... in SAYING something, and having criminal intent.
I.E. If you speak out and disagree with the country, that's fine. You get no bullet for that.
If you say you're going to overthrow the government, kill Christians, and wage holy war on me... Even though you only SAID it, I'm going to kill you.
Now, surely, you're intelligent enough to see the difference. Stupid motherfuckers, WEAR A CONDOM.
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Freedom Of Speech.
Freedom to take a 9mm and put a bullet in one of those fucker's heads.
Typical American response. Don't agree with someone, just take them out.
Typical dumbass response. Let me educate the unintelligent, as I do oh so often on this board.
There's a FUCKING DIFFERENCE, believe it or not... in SAYING something, and having criminal intent.
I.E. If you speak out and disagree with the country, that's fine. You get no bullet for that.
If you say you're going to overthrow the government, kill Christians, and wage holy war on me... Even though you only SAID it, I'm going to kill you.
Now, surely, you're intelligent enough to see the difference. Stupid motherfuckers, WEAR A CONDOM.
Sorry, but it's Freedom Of Speech. I'd like to kill everyone who brags about drinking and driving, and how they got home but I can't. You can't do it.
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If you say you're going to overthrow the government, kill Christians, and wage holy war on me... Even though you only SAID it, I'm going to kill you.
Why don't you go to the Middle East and kill those fuckers then? You fuckin pussy. All you can do is talk. You don't have the balls for anything. If some guy rips you out of money, you intend to slash his tires like a true American PUSSY.
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It's very hypocrital for CWalker to be angry about Abu Hamza supposedly saying he wants to overthrow the British government, when it the United States and Britian who have had a hand in overthrowing more governments in the modern era than all the other nations combined.
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Like someone said, it's freedom of speech. It's ironic how you call them "brave americans" and then say "take them out with a bullet very quickly" ... how brave, take someone out for stating there views, and with a bullet no less
Dear God you guys are brainwashed. You have people in your own country who hate you, hate your culture, hate your religion, and want you to die......and yet you sit there and fercociously defend them. Wake the fuck up. Your countries are slowly being invaded by the enemy and you could care less. Look around the world in countries where the Muslim population is growing like Nigeria, Indonesia, etc Muslims are using violence to overthrow governments and Britain will be next on the list. And here you morons are defending them.
I fear for the future of western civilization when morons like Irish Thug are ralleying to the defense of people who want them dead.
First off i dont live in britain, i live in Ireland. Seperate country entirely.
Secondly i dont ferociously defend them. But on the other hand I dont threathen to kill them for having controversial views. Whats different from him saying he wants to overthrow america, and america saying they want to overthrow iraq.
I fear the only reason you resent these people "invading" your country is that they are muslim and of a different race to you. Only a tiny minority are extremist, like any race. It's little scared-of-your-own shadow idiots like you that stir up the hate and racial tension that leads to so many people in your country to feel like turning to extremism.
Did you ever consider cwalker that you are EXACTLY the same as muslim extremists. You are an american christian extremist who gives ordinary americans a bad name
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there reason they are still here is our legal system is shit, theres too much red tape the governement should be able to kick them out or lock them up, but its all going through the courts and abu hamza pays alot in legal fees to stay here, funnily enough one of the gwantamino britons took on the same legal team as soon as they arrived back in briton. there is not one person i know who supports them the thing is the ppl who run are running this country are very tollerant as we have to take into account alot of laws which make home security tougher on us. the working class population is very much against most of the immegrants here, ny pubs back home we get alot of fights its lucky we havn't really got any immegrants or anti britons living where i live they would get beaton up all the time by the locals. the ones burning our flags n shit live in their own communities all together i guess thats kinda how they get away with it, there will be riots soon tho i can tell u that much thats, how we sort stuff out here.
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A bit like the race riots in LA?? I think u forget it's only a small proportion of immigrants giving the rest a bad name. Starting race riots wont do anything man, it'll just fuck up your country even more.
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true but there are big tensions, its not so long ago we had riots over the poll tax, i can see roits over this coming believe me.
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yeah i can see it coming too, but it needs to be stopped. It's the misinformation most people are getting especially in working class areas (like "they get free cars phones and houses" etc etc) i see it every day. Immigrants get abuse from every side, if they dont work theyre milking the welfare system, if they do theyre stealing our jobs. I think there needs to be more integration, and stop putting ethnic groups in a community of unemployment and crime where resentment will grow. The last thing england needs, or ireland, is a situation like the south of america in the 30s..but its heading that way unfortunately
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yeah i can see it coming too, but it needs to be stopped. It's the misinformation most people are getting especially in working class areas (like "they get free cars phones and houses" etc etc) i see it every day. Immigrants get abuse from every side, if they dont work theyre milking the welfare system, if they do theyre stealing our jobs. I think there needs to be more integration, and stop putting ethnic groups in a community of unemployment and crime where resentment will grow. The last thing england needs, or ireland, is a situation like the south of america in the 30s..but its heading that way unfortunately
The problem is that immigrants in England refuse to assimilate to British culture. That is a recipe for disaster. I predict that within 200 years Muslims will be launcing a revolution in England to impose an Islamic state, they way there are in Nigeria, Indonesia, Phillipines, Checnya, and tons of other countries.
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I find it interesting that you Brits are falling all over yourselves to defend the rights to free speech of people like Abu Hamza who call for terrorists attacks to be commited in your very own country. Yet you are probably the same people who become enraged when a group like the BNP has the audacity to say Britain should restrict immigration. I wish Brits spent 1/10 of the effort and attention to protest the radical Muslim groups that they do on far right political groups. Which is the real threat?
How fucked up in the mind do you have to be to rally to the defense of someone who hates you and wants you to die? Doesn't England have laws against what they term "hate speech"? Are any of these Muslims ever arrested for hate speech when they chant "Bomb New York, Bomb London"? Or are those laws only enforced against people whose skin color is white?
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It's very hypocrital for CWalker to be angry about Abu Hamza supposedly saying he wants to overthrow the British government, when it the United States and Britian who have had a hand in overthrowing more governments in the modern era than all the other nations combined.
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Can't win an arguent? Why not try and blame-shift!
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I think these Abu Hamza people are idiots.
I agree with their complaints, but as Muslims living in Christian societies they should understand the laws and shit. You cant be calling for war.
See, in these instances, I agree with dialogue and peaceful demonstration. Protest against Govt policy re: Middle East. Organize shit, form lobbies and blocs of voters, etc. Promote co operation, things of that nature.
On a side note, such a peaceful demonstration will never work in Palestine like some idiots suggests. They are living under occupation, Muslim immigrants no matter how bad their conditions are, are seldomly worse off than their previous lives in their respective countries of origin.
Straight up, Ive grewn up in several Muslim countries, and Ive lived in Canada for 14 yrs so far, my life here is much better, and Im thankful for that.
Anyways, thats the end of my rant.
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It's very hypocrital for CWalker to be angry about Abu Hamza supposedly saying he wants to overthrow the British government, when it the United States and Britian who have had a hand in overthrowing more governments in the modern era than all the other nations combined.
Good point. These apologists will simply shrug off CIA/Mossad abuses and atrocities and cry foul the second some obscure group calls for Jihad against the British Govt.
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some obscure group
Finsbury Park is one of the largest mosques in London. This dude isn't part of a "Fringe" group...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1777503.stm
It's one of London's largest mosques, with room for up to 2,000 men and 100 women. Some simply come to worship, others take part in classes in Muslim culture, Arabic and the Koran.
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But all that means is that hes huge within the Muslim community in England.
Hes nothing in British society, govt, politics, establishment. You know what im sayin? His harm is that some next man is gonna listen to him and pull some bombing stunt or something of that violent nature. In that case, there is a legitimate case to go after him. But other wise hes a speck for now with potential to do some harm.
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But all that means is that hes huge within the Muslim community in England.
So The Muslim population in England is 1.5 million people.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2756041.stm
Call me crazy, but if 1.5 million people agree even remotely with with this fuck says, thats a big problem.
I thought it was a "Few" extremesits that made up this "Fringe" group.
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But all that means is that hes huge within the Muslim community in England.
So The Muslim population in England is 1.5 million people.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2756041.stm
Call me crazy, but if 1.5 million people agree even remotely with with this fuck says, thats a big problem.
I thought it was a "Few" extremesits that made up this "Fringe" group.
The reason Abu Hamza supposedly said (if he really said it which I doubt) he wanted to establish an Islamic government in Britian is probably because the British government is terrorizing Muslim countries around the world.
Even if they aren't directly overthrowing governments like recently in Afganistan and Iraq, or threatening to overthrow a government, like in Iran and Syria, then they are causing unrest through sanctions and providing arms and intelligence to opposition groups in Nigeria, Indonesia, Sudan, etc.
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Fact: Slavery legal under Islam
Fact: Islam requires worship of other faiths. But the worshippers must pay a tax for the privilege of doing so.
Fact: In reality there is nothing but persecution and ultimately, death, in store for anyone wishing to worship other faiths in a muslim dominant country.
Fact: Every place on earth, or so it seems, where Islam dominant populations rub up against non-Islam, there is religious strife and violence.
Fact: Islam is not reforming but instead reacting to a further liberalized world by becoming more fundamentalist.
Fact: Islam seeks to dominate daily living, hence the use of intimidating bullhorn tactics from the ever present Mosque Minarets.
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Islam, like any other religion, should be regarded as what it's supposed to be and not as what it is when some morons pervert it.
for instance, Bush perverts the Christendom as well, no doubt. Im an atheist, therefore Im neither in favor of Christianity nor Islam, but nevertheless it should be evident that neither of these religions represent what morons like bin laden or bush do, since they pervert their religion to gain the support of masses.
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Fact: Slavery legal under Islam
Fact: Islam requires worship of other faiths. But the worshippers must pay a tax for the privilege of doing so.
Fact: In reality there is nothing but persecution and ultimately, death, in store for anyone wishing to worship other faiths in a muslim dominant country.
Fact: Every place on earth, or so it seems, where Islam dominant populations rub up against non-Islam, there is religious strife and violence.
Fact: Islam is not reforming but instead reacting to a further liberalized world by becoming more fundamentalist.
Fact: Islam seeks to dominate daily living, hence the use of intimidating bullhorn tactics from the ever present Mosque Minarets.
ALL LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE!!!!: The Truth Is: The Qu'ran recognizes that slavery existed in the world and provided the nessecary argument and spiritual tools for the practical and eventual end to slavery. I'll give you a quote straight from the Qu'ran and you decide: Look it up yourself: 24:33: "If any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing to enable them to earn their freedom, Give them such a deed[/i]
LIE!!!!! The Truth Is: Everybody in a Muslim society pays. The difference is the Muslims pay it in the form of our obligatory zakat (charity), while the non-Muslims pay jizyah to the government and the government provides them protection. In cases where the government can't protect them from an invading army they are obligated to give the money back. The non-Muslims are awarded freedom of religion and are even allowed to apply their own Christian or Jewish law in their region.
LIE!!!! LIE!!!!!!! LIE!!!!! All LIES!!! Look up the history of Palestine before the Jews took over, the Muslims allowed Christians and Jews to enter in and visit their holy sites in peace, where today, Jews are putting a wall around the Muslims like a prison. Look at Spain when Muslims were in control, Jews experienced their golden age in art and literature, then Christians and the Spanish inquisition took over and told Jews and Muslims to change their religion or die. The West is not for liberation, they are oppressing Muslims and Muslims are resisting, open your eyes. Islam does not dominate daily life, but rather the Muslim makes his own choice to submit and live his life for Allah!!!!!
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So I guess these guys are reading a different book than you?
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=anj_ISGGhV5k&refer=top_world_news
Abdul-Sattar al-Bahadli also said that anyone capturing a female coalition soldier can use her as a slave.
You can try and sugar coat Dhimmitude as much as you want, but the truth is, it's a horrible condition to live under and like I stated, it will eventually end in death.
http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/s04050012.htm
Here's an instance of somebody being tortured to death for not converting to Islam. This happened on May 5th 2004.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3667515.stm
Here is an example of a place where Sharia law is being implemented. On phase two of this Sharia law, they plan to shut down "unauthorised" places of worship
Who decides what's unauthorized? will the African animists be protected? They aren't covered under Dhimmitude you know! In Malaysia, Sudan and Nigeria etc, we have seen how worthless are promises that Sharia will only be applied to Muslims... In my opinion, Sharia is similar to apartheid or Jim Crow law, except that it oppresses people based on their religion rather than their race. But hey, I guess that dosen't matter if you're a Muslim... Right?
My favortie part of the article is when it states: The new laws led to clashes between Christians and Muslims, in which thousands of people died.
Thats like saying Jim Crow laws led to "clashes" between lynch mobs and their victims, Or The Nurenburg laws led to "clashes" between Nazis and Jews
You can preach all you want, but the truth is, I've got facts on my side.
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The reason Abu Hamza supposedly said (if he really said it which I doubt)
http://johnathangaltfilms.com/008.WMV
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/2668343.stm
Don't you feel like a fucking moron?
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The whole Abu Hamza saga sums up the incompetence of the British government. We have a Muslim Extremists living in our country, speaking out against our people-yet he's allowed to stay. The first flag burning incident was a complete joke, the cunt that did it wasn't even arrested despite been caught on camera. Inciting racial hatred anyone? Now if I was to go into a heavy populated Muslim area with a Islamic flag and protest by burning it I know I would get nicked. There will be riots, most probably between muslim communitys and the working class. Too many middle class people don't seem to be bothered unless it affects them directly- losing British heritage is nothing for them, its more the fact they don't want some nasty asian men smoking on the street corner.
Asylum seekers out, Muslim extremists out, illegal immigrants out.