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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: JTSimon on May 25, 2004, 08:54:28 AM
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Think tank says network boosted by U.S. conflict in Iraq.
The United States remains al-Qaida’s prime target, the report said. An al-Qaida leader has said 4 million Americans will have to be killed “as a prerequisite to any Islamic victory,” the survey said
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5057703/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5057703/)
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Videotape shows revelers at celebration(Wedding massacre)
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Kholood, a 2-year-old Iraqi girl, lies in a bed Sunday in the hospital in Ramadi, west of Baghdad, Iraq. Kholood was injured by shrapnel in her back when U.S. helicopters fired on a wedding party on May 19 in the desert near the border with Syria, killing more than 40 people. Kholood lost her parents, and four of her brothers and sisters during the attack.
RAMADI, Iraq - The bride arrives in a white pickup truck and is quickly ushered into a house by a group of women. Outside, men recline on brightly colored silk pillows, relaxing on the carpeted floor of a large goat-hair tent as boys dance to tribal songs.
The videotape obtained Sunday by Associated Press Television News captures a wedding party that survivors say was later attacked by U.S. planes early Wednesday, killing up to 45 people. The dead included the cameraman, Yasser Shawkat Abdullah, hired to record the festivities, which ended Tuesday night before the planes struck.
The U.S. military says it is investigating the attack, which took place in the village of Mogr el-Deeb about five miles from the Syrian border, but that all evidence so far indicates the target was a safehouse for foreign fighters.
“There was no evidence of a wedding: no decorations, no musical instruments found, no large quantities of food or leftover servings one would expect from a wedding celebration,” Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said Saturday. “There may have been some kind of celebration. Bad people have celebrations, too.”
The artifacts of celebration
But video that APTN shot a day after the attack shows fragments of musical instruments, pots and pans and brightly colored beddings used for celebrations, scattered around the bombed out tent.
The wedding videotape shows a dozen white pickup trucks speeding through the desert escorting the bridal car — decorated with colorful ribbons. The bride wears a Western-style white bridal dress and veil. The camera captures her stepping out of the car but does not show a close-up.
An AP reporter and photographer, who interviewed more than a dozen survivors a day after the bombing, were able to identify many of them on the wedding party video — which runs for several hours.
APTN also traveled to Mogr el-Deeb, 250 miles west of Ramadi, the day after the attack to film what the survivors said was the wedding site. A devastated building and remnants of the tent, pots and pans could be seen, along with bits of what appeared to be the remnants of ordnance, one of which bore the marking “ATU-35,” similar to those on U.S. bombs.
A water tanker truck can be seen in both the video shot by APTN and the wedding tape obtained from a cousin of the groom.
The endless party
The singing and dancing seems to go on forever at the all-male tent set up in the garden of the host, Rikad Nayef, for the wedding of his son, Azhad, and the bride Rutbah Sabah. The men later move to the porch when darkness falls, apparently taking advantage of the cool night weather.
Children, mainly boys, sit on their fathers’ laps; men smoke an Arab water pipe, finger worry beads and chat with one another. It looks like a typical, gender-segregated tribal desert wedding.
As expected, women are out of sight — but according to survivors, they danced to the music of Hussein al-Ali, a popular Baghdad wedding singer hired for the festivities. Al-Ali was buried in Baghdad on Thursday.
The organist, before and after
Prominently displayed on the videotape was a stocky man with close-cropped hair playing an electric organ. Another tape, filmed a day later in Ramadi and obtained by APTN, showed the musician lying dead in a burial shroud — his face clearly visible and wearing the same tan shirt as he wore when he performed.
As the musicians played, young men milled about, most dressed in traditional white robes. Young men swayed in tribal dances to the monotonous tones of traditional Arabic music. Two children — a boy and a girl — held hands, dancing and smiling. Women are rarely filmed at such occasions, and they appear only in distant glimpses.
Kimmitt said U.S. troops who swept through the area found rifles, machine guns, foreign passports, bedding, syringes and other items that suggested the site was used by foreigners infiltrating from Syria.
The videotape showed no weapons, although they are common among rural Iraqis.
U.S. denies finding children
Kimmitt has denied finding evidence that any children died in the raid although a “handful of women” — perhaps four to six — were “caught up in the engagement.”
“They may have died from some of the fire that came from the aircraft,” he told reporters Friday.
However, an AP reporter obtained names of at least 10 children who relatives said had died. Bodies of five of them were filmed by APTN when the survivors took them to Ramadi for burial Wednesday. Iraqi officials said at least 13 children were killed.
Four days after the attack, the memories of the survivors remain painful — as are their injuries.
Haleema Shihab, 32, one of the three wives of Rikad Nayef, said that as the first bombs fell, she grabbed her seven-month old son, Yousef, and clutching the hands of her 5-year-old son, Hamza, started running. Her 15-year-old son, Ali, sprinted alongside her. They managed to run for several yards when she fell, her leg fractured.
“Hamza was yelling, ‘mommy,”’ Shihab, recalled. “Ali said he was hurt and that he was bleeding. That’s the last time I heard him.” Then another shell fell and injured Shihab’s left arm.
Laughing soldiers?
“Hamza fell from my hand and was gone. Only Yousef stayed in my arms. Ali had been hit and was killed. I couldn’t go back,” she said from her hospital bed in Ramadi. Her arm was in a cast.
She and her stepdaughter, Iqbal — who had caught up with her — hid in a bomb crater. “We were bleeding from 3 a.m. until sunrise,” Shihab said.
Soon American soldiers came. One of them kicked her to see if she was alive, she said.
“I pretended I was dead so he wouldn’t kill me,” said Shihab. She said the soldier was laughing. When Yousef cried, the soldier said: “’No, stop,” said Shihab.
Fourteen-year-old Moza, Shihab’s stepdaughter, lies on another bed of the hospital room. She was hurt in the leg and cries. Her relatives haven’t told her yet that her mother, Sumaya, is dead. “I fear she’s dead,” Moza said of her mother. “I’m worried about her.”
Moza was sleeping on one side of the porch next to her sisters Siham, Subha and Zohra while her mother slept on the other end. There were many others on the porch, her cousins, stepmothers and other female relatives.
Four sisters
When the first shell fell, Moza and her sisters, Subha, Fatima and Siham ran off together. Moza was holding Subha’s hand.
“I don’t know where Fatima and my mom were. Siham got hit. She died. I saw Zohra’s head gone. I lost consciousness,” said Moza, covering her mouth with the end of her headscarf.
Her sister Iqbal, lay in pain on the bed next to her. Her other sister, Subha, was on the upper floor of the hospital, in the same room with 2-year-Khoolood. Her small body was bandaged and a tube inserted in her side drained her liver.
Her ankle was bandaged. A red ribbon was tied to her curly hair. Only she and her older brother, Faisal, survived from their immediate family. Her parents and four sisters and brothers were all killed.
In all, 27 members of Rikad Nayef’s extended family died — most of them children and women, the family said.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5045772/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5045772/)
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look at all the responses! :D
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When bush told the american people about the War to Iraq i was pretty happy. The bush administration was telling the people of all the stuff thats going on in Iraq. Nuclear and Biological weapons. And most of all Al-queda is being housed there.
sometime went by and i was getting tired of waiting for these two things to "appear". now the time has come when i am completly just plain angry at this whole war. In this war we have ruined so many things, and also made so many things worse.
Our goal was to rid the world of terrorists. Report: Al-Qaida has 18,000 ready to strike. We have not only done nothing productive against these guys.....we've given them an even greater reason to hate us and try to kill us. Great.
I think i read somewher that the civilian casualties are at around 5,000 civilian casualties. This is going nowhere fast. Were pissing off the entire world. This is making things worse for the american people. Bush' speach yesterday gave me no hope of leaving iraq anytime soon.
If Bush gets another term....were going to be in iraq for his entire term i gurantee that. If Kerry wins.....i really have no idea this guy is so fuckin indecisive. i have no idea what hes thinking.
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look at all the responses! :D
This is a news post retard.
When bush told the american people about the War to Iraq i was pretty happy. The bush administration was telling the people of all the stuff thats going on in Iraq. Nuclear and Biological weapons. And most of all Al-queda is being housed there.
sometime went by and i was getting tired of waiting for these two things to "appear". now the time has come when i am completly just plain angry at this whole war. In this war we have ruined so many things, and also made so many things worse.
Our goal was to rid the world of terrorists. Report: Al-Qaida has 18,000 ready to strike. We have not only done nothing productive against these guys.....we've given them an even greater reason to hate us and try to kill us. Great.
I think i read somewher that the civilian casualties are at around 5,000 civilian casualties. This is going nowhere fast. Were pissing off the entire world. This is making things worse for the american people. Bush' speach yesterday gave me no hope of leaving iraq anytime soon.
If Bush gets another term....were going to be in iraq for his entire term i gurantee that. If Kerry wins.....i really have no idea this guy is so fuckin indecisive. i have no idea what hes thinking.
great post
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I don't care what reason its for. Terrorists are pussies. If I saw an Al Queda person I would blow his fuckin brain out.
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I don't care what reason its for. Terrorists are pussies. If I saw an Al Queda person I would blow his fuckin brain out.
Join the military then :P
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I don't care what reason its for. Terrorists are pussies. If I saw an Al Queda person I would blow his fuckin brain out.
lol kid gone wild with keyboard.
;D
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I actually know people that were on one of the flight that hit the WTC. If you lost friends because of someones religious beliefs you would be pissed too.
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I actually know people that were on one of the flight that hit the WTC. If you lost friends because of someones religious beliefs you would be pissed too.
Actually I had a FedEX package lost on 911 plane (http://www.tag-board.com/smilies/cry.gif)
and I didn't have insurance ;D
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LMAO
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I don't care what reason its for. Terrorists are pussies. If I saw an Al Queda person I would blow his fuckin brain out.
Join the military then :P
lol not gonna find many al quadia in iraq
only thing your gonna kill in the military are some angry iraqi muslim rebels.
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20040526/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/terror_threat_6
Read that. It goes along with Max's article. This is basically saying that us officials believe there will be an attack during the summer. They may have possesions of chemical or biological weapons. Which isnt really hard anthrax is real easy to get.
anyway. They mentioned that there was a classified task force created by the FBI soley for this purpose. but its not classified anymore. They mentioned the WW2 memorial dedication, which is couple days before memorial day. I highly doubt they would do this, but on the other hand it would fuck us over badly. not to mention im going to be there :'( so they better not.
anyway. Are any of you guys worried what these fuckers are going to do next? I am very! Im not really in a city that i would be a possible target (or at least i think not), but i still have a fear even though im not in a big city. This stuff makes me wish i lived in a neutral country.
Our government needs to stop this shit with iraq, and set our priorities big time. 18,000 al-quida and we dont know where any of them are. We need to use all of our rescources to find these people within the usa, and also use our rescources to destroy their training camps and weapons cache facilities. To me right now this is the only thing that mattters, because God forbid another 9/11 attack happens.
That will seriously hurt our country in many ways.
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Al Quaeda has 18 thousand. Big whoopty doo. North Carolina alone has about 3 million residents, and we're all rednecks with guns who hate muslims. Bring on your 18 thousand. The only problem I see, is in that scenario, only 1 out of 150 of us would get to kill one. Do you think the Palestinians could send some over for us to kill too? We're starting to get bloodthirsty with all this beheading trivial shit going on.
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19 Al Qaeda killed 3,030 injured 2,337 and that is without chem/bio weapons.
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I don't care what reason its for. Terrorists are pussies. If I saw an Al Queda person I would blow his fuckin brain out.
Join the military then :P
lol not gonna find many al quadia in iraq
only thing your gonna kill in the military are some angry iraqi muslim rebels.
it's still a better chance than one walking in the room when you're talking shit on a computer ;)
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20040526/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/terror_threat_6
Read that. It goes along with Max's article. This is basically saying that us officials believe there will be an attack during the summer. They may have possesions of chemical or biological weapons. Which isnt really hard anthrax is real easy to get.
anyway. They mentioned that there was a classified task force created by the FBI soley for this purpose. but its not classified anymore. They mentioned the WW2 memorial dedication, which is couple days before memorial day. I highly doubt they would do this, but on the other hand it would fuck us over badly. not to mention im going to be there :'( so they better not.
anyway. Are any of you guys worried what these fuckers are going to do next? I am very! Im not really in a city that i would be a possible target (or at least i think not), but i still have a fear even though im not in a big city. This stuff makes me wish i lived in a neutral country.
Our government needs to stop this shit with iraq, and set our priorities big time. 18,000 al-quida and we dont know where any of them are. We need to use all of our rescources to find these people within the usa, and also use our rescources to destroy their training camps and weapons cache facilities. To me right now this is the only thing that mattters, because God forbid another 9/11 attack happens.
That will seriously hurt our country in many ways.
ahh don't be afraid, they found pictures of niagara falls power authority on an al qaeda website and i live about 8 miles from there...they better stick to small shit because look what happened the last time they pulled something big off
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Yeah, we killed thousands of people in two countries and toppled two governments. If they do something big again, it'll be kind of cool, because then we can have an excuse to pull out the nukes. Bring it on, we'll turn some muslims back into sand.
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Yeah, we killed thousands of people in two countries and toppled two governments. If they do something big again, it'll be kind of cool, because then we can have an excuse to pull out the nukes. Bring it on, we'll turn some muslims back into sand.
I would love nothing more then to send 500 Nuclear Ballistic Missles straight at the middle east. They have been nothing but trouble for all the countries near them and our country. Only problem is they got oil. Thats the only fucking thing thats keeping all these middle eastern countries alive right now.
Do you honestly think that the USA would be so nice about all of this if they had no oil? the answer is no. they would destroy the middle east. Doesnt bother me a bit. You can say how fucking retarded i am or whatever because i really dont care.
id rather 4 million of them die then 4 million americans.
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you guys have watched "Swordfish" right? besides seeing halle berry's tits, the only other saving point for that movie is the idea of american terrorists, if they blow up a boat of ours, we blow up a yaht club.....if they blow up a plane, we blow up an airport
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So what are you trying to say? besides that movie sucked lol, but i know what your reffering to.
so are you trying to say we need to start a task force to terroize middle east?
only if i can be general
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Hell no I didn't see swordfish. I wouldnt' waste 15 minutes trying to fast forward to whatever scene Halle Berry gets naked in.
Fuck terrorists. We have big ass planes with big ass bombs. That's all we need. My tax dollars built the planes, and built the bombs, go waste a bunch of our fucking tax money and blow up the middle east.
BTW, that Oil shit is bullshit. Did you know that America gets 80% of it's oil from South America? We don't even USE Middle Eastern Oil. Now, France, and Germany, and Russia, get ALL of their oil from the middle east. Kind of sheds a little light, eh? Pussies are transparent.
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When bush told the american people about the War to Iraq i was pretty happy. The bush administration was telling the people of all the stuff thats going on in Iraq. Nuclear and Biological weapons. And most of all Al-queda is being housed there.
sometime went by and i was getting tired of waiting for these two things to "appear". now the time has come when i am completly just plain angry at this whole war. In this war we have ruined so many things, and also made so many things worse.
Our goal was to rid the world of terrorists. Report: Al-Qaida has 18,000 ready to strike. We have not only done nothing productive against these guys.....we've given them an even greater reason to hate us and try to kill us. Great.
I think i read somewher that the civilian casualties are at around 5,000 civilian casualties. This is going nowhere fast. Were pissing off the entire world. This is making things worse for the american people. Bush' speach yesterday gave me no hope of leaving iraq anytime soon.
If Bush gets another term....were going to be in iraq for his entire term i gurantee that. If Kerry wins.....i really have no idea this guy is so fuckin indecisive. i have no idea what hes thinking.
no no no no no.
U.S.A and U.K went to war with Iraq because it was believed that Iraq had Nuclear weapons and Weapons Of Mass Destruction, which they actually still could have. You think these weapons are gunna be in some factory somewhere, NO WAY, there gunna be underground, secure and located in places that with either be stumbled upon by somebody or never actually found, but thats beside the point.
The point is that U.S.A and U.K went to war with Iraq because they believed that Saddam Hussein was a threat to the world and it was about time to get rid of his "evil" rules and regulations that entrap the Iraq people. Sure hundreds of soilders have died, and R.I.P to them but thats is their job. They have died fighting for good causes and anybody who says "Oh well U.S and U.K troops have died for nothing" is speaking fictitious. The soilders that have died have died doing the job they where basically taken in to do, being part of the army, navy, or air force means killing people and putting your life on the line everyday, I say, if they didn't want to be involved in those types of risks, they should of never of joined.
The mission was to never rid the world of all of these terrorist because that will never be successful, it was to get rid of a deck of cards that could post leathal threat to the way that we live and the way the world works, and we DID! Before the war Iraqi people could be killed for doing the slightest of things but now they are free. Sure the re-building process is going to take years but the foundation has been laid and the future or Iraq is bright. The rules have gone, they mass killing of civilians has gone, the dictator's have gone, and they have the ability for themsevles and their children and their children's children to live in freedom and to make something of their lives.
Man, the terrorist world was already pissed off at U.S.A and U.K and other main countries in the world such as Spain before this war started. Al Qaida hated us already, what you gotta remember is that what if that 18,000 also had Saddam and his troops ready to attack, hmmmmmmmm much worse my friend. You are quick to point out the things that have been made worse but you ain't looked at the big picture. Livelyhood has been rescued, boundaries have been raised, rules and dumbass regulations have gone, murder is the mass amounts has gone, and the world has basically got rid of some of the most evilest people God ever put here.
We have done things productive to stop these people. By invading Iraq and winning we have shown the terrorist that we will not lie down lightly. Sure they want to attack us again and I have no doubt in my mind that they will attack us again but hopefully when they do we will have the adaquate features and abilities to at least try to keep the number of casualties to a minimum and to hit them back exactly where it hurts. You think ridding the world of terrorism is an overnight operation, you think catching Bin Laden is easy, he's probably not been seen above ground since Sept 11th. These terrorist arn't stupid, they know we have the abilty to hurt them and thats why they spend so long planning these attacks. They know that with just one phone call they could give away their postion and be bombed or attacked within hours or minutes, thats are productivity against them, they know they can't just get away with it now, we have them.
People will die and eventually maybe one day the world can be peaceful but until then we as individuals and countries have to fight them, whether it be by returning fire or verbal warnings. If it takes 5,000 civilian casulaties, then that whats has to be done. This number would probably double in a year if Saddam was still in charge in simple kurd killings and tortures of prisoners. The world is a better place without them.
Everyone criticises Bush but you think any other president would of done any better in the situations he has been in. You think Clinton would of handled the Iraqi-threat any better, I don't. Bush is the president and he is the head honcho, hes the one that has to give the orders for troops to go into Iraq and essentially kill people and risk their own lives, not an easy thing to do in my book. Sure he has to listen to his advisors because in the heat of the moment, which we all act under in many situations, he just might be temped to give a fatal orders, with his advisors their hey will keep his targets on the right track and hopefully stop any decisions that wouldn't be moral or appropriate. He's a smart and good man and nothing has come out of the Iraq invasion but "goodness". People need to start realising that.
People think thats its so easy, its a one night operation, you think that one Bin laden and Al Quida is gone there won't be others, of course there will. People need to stop actually bitching about the war, bush, blair, and other stuff like that and actually start support it because if millions of lives are saved for the sake of 500 then its that part of the mission acomplished. The people complaing about these things won't be complaing when an Iraq Doctor in 50 years time is saving their life in an American Hosptial. If he wasn't freed from the terror when he was 15 years old then he might be dead, and ultimetly so would that American.
And that is all I have to say about that!
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Damn, I saw you replied, and I went "Oh, that fucker, I'm gonna go insult him real quick" and then I read what you wrote, and I don't even hate you!!! Shit. You're right on, well spoken, fuck the haters, you have a good head on your shoulders and see shit clearly. It's really pretty fucking simple, black and white right and wrong type shit like in the comic books and the movies but I guess people get confused when they get smoke blown up their ass by all the liberal dumbasses we've surrounded ourselves with in our culture. Well spoken Bez, I won't make fun of your signature anymore!~
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Bez = soccer mom ;D
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When bush told the american people about the War to Iraq i was pretty happy. The bush administration was telling the people of all the stuff thats going on in Iraq. Nuclear and Biological weapons. And most of all Al-queda is being housed there.
sometime went by and i was getting tired of waiting for these two things to "appear". now the time has come when i am completly just plain angry at this whole war. In this war we have ruined so many things, and also made so many things worse.
Our goal was to rid the world of terrorists. Report: Al-Qaida has 18,000 ready to strike. We have not only done nothing productive against these guys.....we've given them an even greater reason to hate us and try to kill us. Great.
I think i read somewher that the civilian casualties are at around 5,000 civilian casualties. This is going nowhere fast. Were pissing off the entire world. This is making things worse for the american people. Bush' speach yesterday gave me no hope of leaving iraq anytime soon.
If Bush gets another term....were going to be in iraq for his entire term i gurantee that. If Kerry wins.....i really have no idea this guy is so fuckin indecisive. i have no idea what hes thinking.
no no no no no.
U.S.A and U.K went to war with Iraq because it was believed that Iraq had Nuclear weapons and Weapons Of Mass Destruction, which they actually still could have. You think these weapons are gunna be in some factory somewhere, NO WAY, there gunna be underground, secure and located in places that with either be stumbled upon by somebody or never actually found, but thats beside the point.
The point is that U.S.A and U.K went to war with Iraq because they believed that Saddam Hussein was a threat to the world and it was about time to get rid of his "evil" rules and regulations that entrap the Iraq people. Sure hundreds of soilders have died, and R.I.P to them but thats is their job. They have died fighting for good causes and anybody who says "Oh well U.S and U.K troops have died for nothing" is speaking fictitious. The soilders that have died have died doing the job they where basically taken in to do, being part of the army, navy, or air force means killing people and putting your life on the line everyday, I say, if they didn't want to be involved in those types of risks, they should of never of joined.
The mission was to never rid the world of all of these terrorist because that will never be successful, it was to get rid of a deck of cards that could post leathal threat to the way that we live and the way the world works, and we DID! Before the war Iraqi people could be killed for doing the slightest of things but now they are free. Sure the re-building process is going to take years but the foundation has been laid and the future or Iraq is bright. The rules have gone, they mass killing of civilians has gone, the dictator's have gone, and they have the ability for themsevles and their children and their children's children to live in freedom and to make something of their lives.
Man, the terrorist world was already pissed off at U.S.A and U.K and other main countries in the world such as Spain before this war started. Al Qaida hated us already, what you gotta remember is that what if that 18,000 also had Saddam and his troops ready to attack, hmmmmmmmm much worse my friend. You are quick to point out the things that have been made worse but you ain't looked at the big picture. Livelyhood has been rescued, boundaries have been raised, rules and dumbass regulations have gone, murder is the mass amounts has gone, and the world has basically got rid of some of the most evilest people God ever put here.
We have done things productive to stop these people. By invading Iraq and winning we have shown the terrorist that we will not lie down lightly. Sure they want to attack us again and I have no doubt in my mind that they will attack us again but hopefully when they do we will have the adaquate features and abilities to at least try to keep the number of casualties to a minimum and to hit them back exactly where it hurts. You think ridding the world of terrorism is an overnight operation, you think catching Bin Laden is easy, he's probably not been seen above ground since Sept 11th. These terrorist arn't stupid, they know we have the abilty to hurt them and thats why they spend so long planning these attacks. They know that with just one phone call they could give away their postion and be bombed or attacked within hours or minutes, thats are productivity against them, they know they can't just get away with it now, we have them.
People will die and eventually maybe one day the world can be peaceful but until then we as individuals and countries have to fight them, whether it be by returning fire or verbal warnings. If it takes 5,000 civilian casulaties, then that whats has to be done. This number would probably double in a year if Saddam was still in charge in simple kurd killings and tortures of prisoners. The world is a better place without them.
Everyone criticises Bush but you think any other president would of done any better in the situations he has been in. You think Clinton would of handled the Iraqi-threat any better, I don't. Bush is the president and he is the head honcho, hes the one that has to give the orders for troops to go into Iraq and essentially kill people and risk their own lives, not an easy thing to do in my book. Sure he has to listen to his advisors because in the heat of the moment, which we all act under in many situations, he just might be temped to give a fatal orders, with his advisors their hey will keep his targets on the right track and hopefully stop any decisions that wouldn't be moral or appropriate. He's a smart and good man and nothing has come out of the Iraq invasion but "goodness". People need to start realising that.
People think thats its so easy, its a one night operation, you think that one Bin laden and Al Quida is gone there won't be others, of course there will. People need to stop actually bitching about the war, bush, blair, and other stuff like that and actually start support it because if millions of lives are saved for the sake of 500 then its that part of the mission acomplished. The people complaing about these things won't be complaing when an Iraq Doctor in 50 years time is saving their life in an American Hosptial. If he wasn't freed from the terror when he was 15 years old then he might be dead, and ultimetly so would that American.
And that is all I have to say about that!
Please never speak again.
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When bush told the american people about the War to Iraq i was pretty happy. The bush administration was telling the people of all the stuff thats going on in Iraq. Nuclear and Biological weapons. And most of all Al-queda is being housed there.
sometime went by and i was getting tired of waiting for these two things to "appear". now the time has come when i am completly just plain angry at this whole war. In this war we have ruined so many things, and also made so many things worse.
Our goal was to rid the world of terrorists. Report: Al-Qaida has 18,000 ready to strike. We have not only done nothing productive against these guys.....we've given them an even greater reason to hate us and try to kill us. Great.
I think i read somewher that the civilian casualties are at around 5,000 civilian casualties. This is going nowhere fast. Were pissing off the entire world. This is making things worse for the american people. Bush' speach yesterday gave me no hope of leaving iraq anytime soon.
If Bush gets another term....were going to be in iraq for his entire term i gurantee that. If Kerry wins.....i really have no idea this guy is so fuckin indecisive. i have no idea what hes thinking.
no no no no no.
U.S.A and U.K went to war with Iraq because it was believed that Iraq had Nuclear weapons and Weapons Of Mass Destruction, which they actually still could have. You think these weapons are gunna be in some factory somewhere, NO WAY, there gunna be underground, secure and located in places that with either be stumbled upon by somebody or never actually found, but thats beside the point.
The point is that U.S.A and U.K went to war with Iraq because they believed that Saddam Hussein was a threat to the world and it was about time to get rid of his "evil" rules and regulations that entrap the Iraq people. Sure hundreds of soilders have died, and R.I.P to them but thats is their job. They have died fighting for good causes and anybody who says "Oh well U.S and U.K troops have died for nothing" is speaking fictitious. The soilders that have died have died doing the job they where basically taken in to do, being part of the army, navy, or air force means killing people and putting your life on the line everyday, I say, if they didn't want to be involved in those types of risks, they should of never of joined.
The mission was to never rid the world of all of these terrorist because that will never be successful, it was to get rid of a deck of cards that could post leathal threat to the way that we live and the way the world works, and we DID! Before the war Iraqi people could be killed for doing the slightest of things but now they are free. Sure the re-building process is going to take years but the foundation has been laid and the future or Iraq is bright. The rules have gone, they mass killing of civilians has gone, the dictator's have gone, and they have the ability for themsevles and their children and their children's children to live in freedom and to make something of their lives.
Man, the terrorist world was already pissed off at U.S.A and U.K and other main countries in the world such as Spain before this war started. Al Qaida hated us already, what you gotta remember is that what if that 18,000 also had Saddam and his troops ready to attack, hmmmmmmmm much worse my friend. You are quick to point out the things that have been made worse but you ain't looked at the big picture. Livelyhood has been rescued, boundaries have been raised, rules and dumbass regulations have gone, murder is the mass amounts has gone, and the world has basically got rid of some of the most evilest people God ever put here.
We have done things productive to stop these people. By invading Iraq and winning we have shown the terrorist that we will not lie down lightly. Sure they want to attack us again and I have no doubt in my mind that they will attack us again but hopefully when they do we will have the adaquate features and abilities to at least try to keep the number of casualties to a minimum and to hit them back exactly where it hurts. You think ridding the world of terrorism is an overnight operation, you think catching Bin Laden is easy, he's probably not been seen above ground since Sept 11th. These terrorist arn't stupid, they know we have the abilty to hurt them and thats why they spend so long planning these attacks. They know that with just one phone call they could give away their postion and be bombed or attacked within hours or minutes, thats are productivity against them, they know they can't just get away with it now, we have them.
People will die and eventually maybe one day the world can be peaceful but until then we as individuals and countries have to fight them, whether it be by returning fire or verbal warnings. If it takes 5,000 civilian casulaties, then that whats has to be done. This number would probably double in a year if Saddam was still in charge in simple kurd killings and tortures of prisoners. The world is a better place without them.
Everyone criticises Bush but you think any other president would of done any better in the situations he has been in. You think Clinton would of handled the Iraqi-threat any better, I don't. Bush is the president and he is the head honcho, hes the one that has to give the orders for troops to go into Iraq and essentially kill people and risk their own lives, not an easy thing to do in my book. Sure he has to listen to his advisors because in the heat of the moment, which we all act under in many situations, he just might be temped to give a fatal orders, with his advisors their hey will keep his targets on the right track and hopefully stop any decisions that wouldn't be moral or appropriate. He's a smart and good man and nothing has come out of the Iraq invasion but "goodness". People need to start realising that.
People think thats its so easy, its a one night operation, you think that one Bin laden and Al Quida is gone there won't be others, of course there will. People need to stop actually bitching about the war, bush, blair, and other stuff like that and actually start support it because if millions of lives are saved for the sake of 500 then its that part of the mission acomplished. The people complaing about these things won't be complaing when an Iraq Doctor in 50 years time is saving their life in an American Hosptial. If he wasn't freed from the terror when he was 15 years old then he might be dead, and ultimetly so would that American.
And that is all I have to say about that!
Please never speak again.
I have the right to speak, don't say dumbass things if you can't back it up. Speak to me like a human being and reply to my post backing up your comments, if you can't, hit the road.
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i like everything you said, exept for the part about bush being smart
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are you stupid or something can you even read what i wrote?
I said we went to war in iraq because bush administration said they were housing nuclear weapons and most of all taliban, but those reasons arent true.............read next time.
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lol that's no surprise...you guys are both little kids talking politics you know nothing about.
Both of you have no sense of history but go ahead argue like soccer moms.
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lol that's no surprise...you guys are both little kids talking politics you know nothing about.
Both of you have no sense of history but go ahead argue like soccer moms.
If where talking like that, then none of us of these boards know nothing about all that shit. I don't see anybody here who works directly for U.S.A or U.K in and around terrorism, so really if where talking about "Soccer Moms", I am, you are and everyone here is.
Rampant, who ever said that? Who said that we went to war with iraq because they where housing Al-Quida? I remember the 2 main reasons being:
To see if there's nuclear weapons there and to stop iraq from using them before they do.
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To rid the world of one of the biggest "murderers" its ever seen, Saddam.
As far as I am concerned its mission acomplished in Iraq.
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As far as I am concerned its mission acomplished in Iraq.
wow i am just speechless. you should watch the news on whats going on in iraq. nothing has been acomplished. Only thing thats happening in iraq is
1) Us military is being hated on by all of the world, because of the abuse
2) almost 800 us soliders have died
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why the fuck are we in iraq ???
imean reallyreally..
do you know?
globilization chuck (http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/05/1694858.php)
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bush just wants to finish what his father started. all the reasons we went into the war....turned out to be false.
and no taking saddam out of power wasnt a reason for the war.
Weapons of mass destruction was the main reason. dont you watch the news?
remember when colin powell went to the UN and show all there circumstantial evicence of WMD in iraq???
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weapons of mass destruction...that's the stupidist excuse i've ever heard..
any crackpot wannabe scientist with a kitchen can make those..shit...i don't
believe a fucking thing them motherfuckers said about shit.
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bush just wants to finish what his father started. all the reasons we went into the war....turned out to be false.
and no taking saddam out of power wasnt a reason for the war.
Weapons of mass destruction was the main reason. dont you watch the news?
remember when colin powell went to the UN and show all there circumstantial evicence of WMD in iraq???
Yawn, who cares, its over and done with now anyway. As far as I am concerned the world is a better place without Saddam and we have all that motherfucking oil.
Let the re-building being!
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bush just wants to finish what his father started. all the reasons we went into the war....turned out to be false.
and no taking saddam out of power wasnt a reason for the war.
Weapons of mass destruction was the main reason. dont you watch the news?
remember when colin powell went to the UN and show all there circumstantial evicence of WMD in iraq???
Yawn, who cares, its over and done with now anyway. As far as I am concerned the world is a better place without Saddam and we have all that motherfucking oil.
Let the re-building being!
.....yea right over and done with. Well i hate to break it to you, but were going to be in iraq for years, as long as bush is president. So its not fucking done with. people are still dying were still battling rebels. what the fuck do you think were still doing in Iraq? having tea parties?
Corrrection. The world ISNT a better place without saddam. The world WAS fine with him. Iraq Wasnt fine with him. We went to liberate them and form a democracy in their country. Do you think saddam was actually a threat to the Us?
and wow... we dont have all his fucking oil. We didnt get any oil. all we got was raised gas prices. some people are just plain stupid.
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bush just wants to finish what his father started. all the reasons we went into the war....turned out to be false.
and no taking saddam out of power wasnt a reason for the war.
Weapons of mass destruction was the main reason. dont you watch the news?
remember when colin powell went to the UN and show all there circumstantial evicence of WMD in iraq???
Yawn, who cares, its over and done with now anyway. As far as I am concerned the world is a better place without Saddam and we have all that motherfucking oil.
Let the re-building being!
.....yea right over and done with. Well i hate to break it to you, but were going to be in iraq for years, as long as bush is president. So its not fucking done with. people are still dying were still battling rebels. what the fuck do you think were still doing in Iraq? having tea parties?
Corrrection. The world ISNT a better place without saddam. The world WAS fine with him. Iraq Wasnt fine with him. We went to liberate them and form a democracy in their country. Do you think saddam was actually a threat to the Us?
and wow... we dont have all his fucking oil. We didnt get any oil. all we got was raised gas prices. some people are just plain stupid.
We could sit and argue all day, but I cant be bothered man. YOu have your theories I have mine.
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Muslim kills innocent american, american kills innocent muslim.
Blah blah fucking blah. Error-why not just say what you feel, not try sugar coating it under a bunch of newspaper articles. Save us all a bit of time.
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Muslim kills innocent american, american kills innocent muslim.
Blah blah fucking blah. Error-why not just say what you feel, not try sugar coating it under a bunch of newspaper articles. Save us all a bit of time.
agreed.
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Shutup little kids ^ ;)
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I hope everyone else can see the irony here. ::) ::) ::)
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When bush told the american people about the War to Iraq i was pretty happy. The bush administration was telling the people of all the stuff thats going on in Iraq. Nuclear and Biological weapons. And most of all Al-queda is being housed there.
sometime went by and i was getting tired of waiting for these two things to "appear". now the time has come when i am completly just plain angry at this whole war. In this war we have ruined so many things, and also made so many things worse.
Our goal was to rid the world of terrorists. Report: Al-Qaida has 18,000 ready to strike. We have not only done nothing productive against these guys.....we've given them an even greater reason to hate us and try to kill us. Great.
I think i read somewher that the civilian casualties are at around 5,000 civilian casualties. This is going nowhere fast. Were pissing off the entire world. This is making things worse for the american people. Bush' speach yesterday gave me no hope of leaving iraq anytime soon.
If Bush gets another term....were going to be in iraq for his entire term i gurantee that. If Kerry wins.....i really have no idea this guy is so fuckin indecisive. i have no idea what hes thinking.
no no no no no.
U.S.A and U.K went to war with Iraq because it was believed that Iraq had Nuclear weapons and Weapons Of Mass Destruction, which they actually still could have. You think these weapons are gunna be in some factory somewhere, NO WAY, there gunna be underground, secure and located in places that with either be stumbled upon by somebody or never actually found, but thats beside the point.
The point is that U.S.A and U.K went to war with Iraq because they believed that Saddam Hussein was a threat to the world and it was about time to get rid of his "evil" rules and regulations that entrap the Iraq people. Sure hundreds of soilders have died, and R.I.P to them but thats is their job. They have died fighting for good causes and anybody who says "Oh well U.S and U.K troops have died for nothing" is speaking fictitious. The soilders that have died have died doing the job they where basically taken in to do, being part of the army, navy, or air force means killing people and putting your life on the line everyday, I say, if they didn't want to be involved in those types of risks, they should of never of joined.
The mission was to never rid the world of all of these terrorist because that will never be successful, it was to get rid of a deck of cards that could post leathal threat to the way that we live and the way the world works, and we DID! Before the war Iraqi people could be killed for doing the slightest of things but now they are free. Sure the re-building process is going to take years but the foundation has been laid and the future or Iraq is bright. The rules have gone, they mass killing of civilians has gone, the dictator's have gone, and they have the ability for themsevles and their children and their children's children to live in freedom and to make something of their lives.
Man, the terrorist world was already pissed off at U.S.A and U.K and other main countries in the world such as Spain before this war started. Al Qaida hated us already, what you gotta remember is that what if that 18,000 also had Saddam and his troops ready to attack, hmmmmmmmm much worse my friend. You are quick to point out the things that have been made worse but you ain't looked at the big picture. Livelyhood has been rescued, boundaries have been raised, rules and dumbass regulations have gone, murder is the mass amounts has gone, and the world has basically got rid of some of the most evilest people God ever put here.
We have done things productive to stop these people. By invading Iraq and winning we have shown the terrorist that we will not lie down lightly. Sure they want to attack us again and I have no doubt in my mind that they will attack us again but hopefully when they do we will have the adaquate features and abilities to at least try to keep the number of casualties to a minimum and to hit them back exactly where it hurts. You think ridding the world of terrorism is an overnight operation, you think catching Bin Laden is easy, he's probably not been seen above ground since Sept 11th. These terrorist arn't stupid, they know we have the abilty to hurt them and thats why they spend so long planning these attacks. They know that with just one phone call they could give away their postion and be bombed or attacked within hours or minutes, thats are productivity against them, they know they can't just get away with it now, we have them.
People will die and eventually maybe one day the world can be peaceful but until then we as individuals and countries have to fight them, whether it be by returning fire or verbal warnings. If it takes 5,000 civilian casulaties, then that whats has to be done. This number would probably double in a year if Saddam was still in charge in simple kurd killings and tortures of prisoners. The world is a better place without them.
Everyone criticises Bush but you think any other president would of done any better in the situations he has been in. You think Clinton would of handled the Iraqi-threat any better, I don't. Bush is the president and he is the head honcho, hes the one that has to give the orders for troops to go into Iraq and essentially kill people and risk their own lives, not an easy thing to do in my book. Sure he has to listen to his advisors because in the heat of the moment, which we all act under in many situations, he just might be temped to give a fatal orders, with his advisors their hey will keep his targets on the right track and hopefully stop any decisions that wouldn't be moral or appropriate. He's a smart and good man and nothing has come out of the Iraq invasion but "goodness". People need to start realising that.
People think thats its so easy, its a one night operation, you think that one Bin laden and Al Quida is gone there won't be others, of course there will. People need to stop actually bitching about the war, bush, blair, and other stuff like that and actually start support it because if millions of lives are saved for the sake of 500 then its that part of the mission acomplished. The people complaing about these things won't be complaing when an Iraq Doctor in 50 years time is saving their life in an American Hosptial. If he wasn't freed from the terror when he was 15 years old then he might be dead, and ultimetly so would that American.
And that is all I have to say about that!
Please never speak again.
I have the right to speak, don't say dumbass things if you can't back it up. Speak to me like a human being and reply to my post backing up your comments, if you can't, hit the road.
After skimming through the garbage you spilled in this thread, you dont deserve a conversation with me. Do you know how long I would be sitting here if i shit on every argument u made in that dumb rant?
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You skimmed through it. Don't blame me because you havn't got the intelligence to conform to write a good reply, and not one filled with total bullshit which will only make yourself look like a fool. Even if you could reply to my post I am sure it would probably attack me as a person and not even address what you think is wrong with what I typed.
You can either type what you feel in a sensible way and address the points that you thought I was wrong on or simply stop typing stuff that degrads your image even more.
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at this point i say..
fuck everybody cause they're all assholes
fuck you
fuck me too
i don't care
it's all bullshit
ha right
it's MURDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHa
whatever
hasta