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Title: I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of ya
Post by: Nima - Dubcnn.com on June 12, 2004, 02:19:23 AM
Seriously sometimes I wonder WHERE are these people who want war, who dont care bout iraqi deathes, who wish death upon them, whod rather have war than peace, who say the 900 US deaths are worse than the 11,000 iraqi deaths, who think all middle eastern people are evil.. man i never wanted to believe this shit actually existed i thought it was just the government.. now when i read some of the replies on here, im just left speechless!

now i dont know if some of yall just do it to provoke others or if you actually BELIEVE in the utter BULLSHIT you write... i think that trauma just wants to provoke.. but what about other dudes? i dontk now the names but ive read some outrageous shit on here lately..

seriously think about what youre saying for 5 seconds before u click that POST button, and remove the post and go read some history books and try to get some humanity.. humanity!
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: eNgIeS on June 12, 2004, 10:35:30 PM
Agreed
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: Suga Foot on June 13, 2004, 12:36:56 PM
Agreed
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: Doggystylin on June 13, 2004, 05:02:49 PM
yeah there are just some childish idiots who say flat out stupid shit and have no respectable arguments like AG and rampant

then there are others like cwalker engel and them who actually do have an argument so their somewhat respectable
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: Jome on June 13, 2004, 05:10:55 PM
It often comes down to America vs. The World, because of their "We are the shit, we own the world" attitude.
At least that's how many of them act.
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: Real American on June 13, 2004, 06:15:02 PM
I worry more about the lives of Americans than I do people in the Middle East. And I know damn sure that they don't care about me over there.
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: Montana00 on June 13, 2004, 06:24:24 PM
Its not that we want war, but do you honestly think the middle easterns will resort to peace? no way in hell. You think al-queda terrorism will ever stop and make peace? no they will continue to kill.
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: eNgIeS on June 13, 2004, 10:17:39 PM
It often comes down to America vs. The World, because of their "We are the shit, we own the world" attitude.
At least that's how many of them act.


On point again
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: Trauma-san on June 13, 2004, 10:29:56 PM
Seriously sometimes I wonder WHERE are these people who want war, who dont care bout iraqi deathes, who wish death upon them, whod rather have war than peace, who say the 900 US deaths are worse than the 11,000 iraqi deaths, who think all middle eastern people are evil.. man i never wanted to believe this shit actually existed i thought it was just the government.. now when i read some of the replies on here, im just left speechless!

now i dont know if some of yall just do it to provoke others or if you actually BELIEVE in the utter BULLSHIT you write... i think that trauma just wants to provoke.. but what about other dudes? i dontk now the names but ive read some outrageous shit on here lately..

seriously think about what youre saying for 5 seconds before u click that POST button, and remove the post and go read some history books and try to get some humanity.. humanity!

Hmm.  Lets take 'em one by one.  

1.  Want war?  I want to kill others lest I be killed myself.  You don't have people blowing up your buildings, and saying it's in the name of god.  I do.  I want them, and everyone like them, to die horribly slow painful deaths.  I don't think I'm wrong for that; I think i'm satisfying my need for self-preservation.

2.  Who don't care about Iraqi deaths? Why should I?  Who gives a fuck about them.  Humanity? Where were they to denounce what happened in America on sept. 11th?  They're aiming guns at us in this war, so of course I don't care if they die.  The innocent casualties suck, but unfortunately that's what happens in war.  Innocent people die, as well as the troops.

3.  Who would rather have war than peace? Who's saying this?  I'd rather have peace.  Unfortunately, and this is what you don't understand: we have a terrorist faction out there who's stated goal for EXISTANCE is to kill each and everyone of us.  We can't make peace with that.  We must exterminate, and exterminate we will, forever and ever, until we don't have to worry about it again.  

4.   The 900 U.S. deaths are INFINITELY greater than the 11,000 Iraqi deaths.  I'm an american.  All Men are created equal, but all men are raised seperately, to the point we have Iraqis pointing weapons at my brothers and sisters here in the U.S. Military.  1 U.S. Military death is worse than a Million Iraqis dead.  Believe that.  I'm an American.  Fuck the rest, if it must be that way.  

5.   Who think that All Middle easterners are evil.  That's not true at all.  Egyptians are cool.  LOL.

6.  You say you never wanted to believe all this existed, you thought it was government.  Did you think it was 'government' who attacked us Sept. 11th?  Did you think we were going to ignore that?  Did you think we were going to only go after those specifically involved, and ignore the others who have been saying the same things Al Qaeda has, but haven't acted yet? Fuck no.  To do that would be ignorant; we were caught with our pants down Sept. 11th, because we didn't react to threats.  Now, any threat will be annhilated.  That is America today.  

7.   I don't want to provoke necessarily, I'm a realist.  I have my opinions, and in my opinion, your opinion isn't a valid opinion.  I reserve the right to fully express my opinion, and my opinion generally is quite a conservative opinion, and although unnecessarily unrepresented in the opinion polls of the media, my opinion, in my opinion, is a very, very POPULAR opinion.  
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: smerlus on June 13, 2004, 10:30:55 PM
It often comes down to America vs. The World, because of their "We are the shit, we own the world" attitude.
At least that's how many of them act.


you must have a hard time reading....look at the title of the threads in TOT...America gets blamed for everything....that might be where the US vs the world stems from....you rarely see a post saying "america is better....."


oh and by the way....we are the shit and we do own the world now that you mention it
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: Trauma-san on June 13, 2004, 10:37:12 PM
Jome: Grow up.  It's not "America Vs. The World".  Does America bomb Europe? No.  Why? Because yall are civilized, even though your intelligence dissapoints me sometimes (this thread, for instance).  Does America bomb Japan? No.  Why? Because they're not fucking with us.  


Who does America bomb.  Who? The Middle East, EXCLUSIVELY.  Why? Because they're fuck ups.  They fight.  They kill.  They send bombers over here to fuck us up.  They blow up children.  Problems, EVERY FUCKING WHERE.  We're tired of it, and we're going to kill every fucking body around that general area of the world until the shit stops.  Point.  Blank.  

Now, explain to me, in your infinite wisdom (pun, FULLY FUCKING intended), how it's "America Vs. The World" in our attitude, when we fight with NO ONE but Afganistan, with the Taliban & Al Qaeda who attacked us Sept. 11th, and Iraq, who were in a material breach of the U.N. Cease-Fire agreement, signed by Saddam Hussein and George Bush Sr.?  HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU SPOUT THIS BULLSHIT, when we're in 2 fucking wars, 2 FUCKING WARS, both problems we haven't tied up from our past?  Fuck you and your attempts to finger us for shit we have nothing to do with.  We're involved in 2 wars; meanwhile the world burns, and you say it's "America Vs. the World".  No, my friend, it's liberalism vs. Common Fucking Sense.  
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: smerlus on June 13, 2004, 10:39:09 PM
Jome: Grow up.  It's not "America Vs. The World".  Does America bomb Europe? No.  Why? Because yall are civilized, even though your intelligence dissapoints me sometimes (this thread, for instance).  Does America bomb Japan? No.  Why? Because they're not fucking with us.  


Who does America bomb.  Who? The Middle East, EXCLUSIVELY.  Why? Because they're fuck ups.  They fight.  They kill.  They send bombers over here to fuck us up.  They blow up children.  Problems, EVERY FUCKING WHERE.  We're tired of it, and we're going to kill every fucking body around that general area of the world until the shit stops.  Point.  Blank.  

Now, explain to me, in your infinite wisdom (pun, FULLY FUCKING intended), how it's "America Vs. The World" in our attitude, when we fight with NO ONE but Afganistan, with the Taliban & Al Qaeda who attacked us Sept. 11th, and Iraq, who were in a material breach of the U.N. Cease-Fire agreement, signed by Saddam Hussein and George Bush Sr.?  HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU SPOUT THIS BULLSHIT, when we're in 2 fucking wars, 2 FUCKING WARS, both problems we haven't tied up from our past?  Fuck you and your attempts to finger us for shit we have nothing to do with.  We're involved in 2 wars; meanwhile the world burns, and you say it's "America Vs. the World".  No, my friend, it's liberalism vs. Common Fucking Sense.  

hey...don't talk to my pubic hair like that
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: Jome on June 13, 2004, 11:48:37 PM
you must have a hard time reading....look at the title of the threads in TOT...America gets blamed for everything....that might be where the US vs the world stems from....you rarely see a post saying "america is better....."


oh and by the way....we are the shit and we do own the world now that you mention it

Not reading too many Trauma, Engelwood, CWalker or other American patriot posts are you.. ??  ::)

America gets blamed for everything because your attitude is basically "We are the shit, we are the world, we own the world, we'll invade whatever country we like, and civilians lives isn't as important as American soldiers lives."
THAT'S WHY AMERICA get blamed for whatever shit they fucked up at any given time.

To be honest, you and many of your fellow citizens are ignorant fucks, with as much knowledge on foreign politics as Arnold.


Who does America bomb.  Who? The Middle East, EXCLUSIVELY.  Why? Because they're fuck ups.  They fight.  They kill.  They send bombers over here to fuck us up.  They blow up children.  Problems, EVERY FUCKING WHERE.  We're tired of it, and we're going to kill every fucking body around that general area of the world until the shit stops.  Point.  Blank.  

LMAO
Good for you that you signed a exclusive deal with Osama & Saddam.
You killed a few thousand terrorists, and you made multiple million new terrorists at the same time.
Congratulations, the world should be grateful.


Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: smerlus on June 13, 2004, 11:51:58 PM

You killed a few thousand terrorists, and you made multiple million new terrorists at the same time.


is that an actual fact or are you talking out of your ass still?
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: Trauma-san on June 13, 2004, 11:59:29 PM
He's from Norway.  He has no idea about the world, about America, or about terrorism, because over there, they consider it a tragedy when someone feeds the goats twice and they get sick.  

Jome: when you were in school, and bullies used to steal your lunch money; you just ignored them, right?  And they kept doing it, and doing it, and doing it, and you just lived with it; and became the pacifist that you are today.

Me? I had my lunch money stolen once when I was 5.  I hit the fucker on the back of his head with my lunch tray.  I got in a fight.  I got in trouble.  All the teachers were mad.  The kid was mad.  His parents were mad.  His friends were mad.  I never had 1 other fucking problem out of any of them, ever again.  

I had a kid that used to bully me after school when I was 12.  He was always talking shit.  He kept it up, I punched him in the nose, he never said another fucking word... we even became friends months later.    

You're weak.  I'm strong.  I wouldn't POSSIBLY expect you to understand my country's position.  
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: Jome on June 14, 2004, 12:03:34 AM

You killed a few thousand terrorists, and you made multiple million new terrorists at the same time.


is that an actual fact or are you talking out of your ass still?


That's an actual fact, Bin Laden got 1000 of al-Zarqawi's and al-Muqrin's placed all over the world as cell-leaders, and they're recruiting new "members" and training terrorists on a bigger scale than ever.. starting new cells all over the place.

The leaders can easily recruite a lot of easily deceived people, making the members/cells grow proportionally.
Using propaganda against America to recruit members became easier than ever, they get new ammunition every single day.

Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: Jome on June 14, 2004, 12:08:10 AM
LOL @ Trauma..
You turned into a sad online character,.. why don't you switch back..  ;)

Your take on terrorism:

We (U.S.) = Good guys
Them (Muslims/People who look dangerous) = Bad Guys = Terrorists

You're as 1-dimensional as it gets.

Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: eNgIeS on June 14, 2004, 02:00:41 AM
you must have a hard time reading....look at the title of the threads in TOT...America gets blamed for everything....that might be where the US vs the world stems from....you rarely see a post saying "america is better....."


oh and by the way....we are the shit and we do own the world now that you mention it

Not reading too many Trauma, Engelwood, CWalker or other American patriot posts are you.. ??  ::)

America gets blamed for everything because your attitude is basically "We are the shit, we are the world, we own the world, we'll invade whatever country we like, and civilians lives isn't as important as American soldiers lives."
THAT'S WHY AMERICA get blamed for whatever shit they fucked up at any given time.

To be honest, you and many of your fellow citizens are ignorant fucks, with as much knowledge on foreign politics as Arnold.

No offense, all though I agree with alot of what you are saying in your posts, why the need to diss Arnie for? Dont tell me you are one of those missinformed idiots who think Arnie is dumb because he has an accent. Have you even looked up for his IQ number, & looked at his part accomplishments. Plus the guy is top notch nice bloke, he's also been interested in politics for many years, so he may have some knowledge on foreign politics you never know. Besides he isnt President/Prime Minister, he's govenor of a state, i may be wrong but i dont think you have to know much about whats going on elsewhere when you are governing a state with as much problems as Cali, you probably only can focus on that state
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: Don Rizzle on June 14, 2004, 04:09:04 AM
Jome: Grow up.  It's not "America Vs. The World".  Does America bomb Europe? No.  Why? Because yall are civilized, even though your intelligence dissapoints me sometimes (this thread, for instance).  Does America bomb Japan? No.  Why? Because they're not fucking with us.  


Who does America bomb.  Who? The Middle East, EXCLUSIVELY.  Why? Because they're fuck ups.  They fight.  They kill.  They send bombers over here to fuck us up.  They blow up children.  Problems, EVERY FUCKING WHERE.  We're tired of it, and we're going to kill every fucking body around that general area of the world until the shit stops.  Point.  Blank.  

Now, explain to me, in your infinite wisdom (pun, FULLY FUCKING intended), how it's "America Vs. The World" in our attitude, when we fight with NO ONE but Afganistan, with the Taliban & Al Qaeda who attacked us Sept. 11th, and Iraq, who were in a material breach of the U.N. Cease-Fire agreement, signed by Saddam Hussein and George Bush Sr.?  HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU SPOUT THIS BULLSHIT, when we're in 2 fucking wars, 2 FUCKING WARS, both problems we haven't tied up from our past?  Fuck you and your attempts to finger us for shit we have nothing to do with.  We're involved in 2 wars; meanwhile the world burns, and you say it's "America Vs. the World".  No, my friend, it's liberalism vs. Common Fucking Sense.  
and who created the problem in the first place? lets see... who put the taliban in power and spent billions arming them? who put saddam hussein in power and spent billions arming him? any problems out there are of americas own doing, but an ordinary american can't take responsibility for that or even just think responsibly about it, but its just the america is better story we're sick to death of. you don't cared that u create the problem and the consequences for those out the who actually have to either LIVE or DIE through it without any choice in the matter. if america actually supported democracy like it said it does it wouldn't get all chummy with extreme governments and there probably less chance of war.
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: Primo on June 14, 2004, 09:32:38 AM
People don't understand though. Ordinary Americans do not have a say in anything that goes on in the world but they think Americas full of dumb, ignorant people.  Ask people who have been here... I never heard of one person from Europe complain when they visited. They have fun and love it when they are here. And thats all that matters if you think about it. People do almost anything and say anything they want. Do that in the Middle East and you will end up on a faces of death video. Women cant show there faces. What kinda bullshit is that?
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: 7even on June 14, 2004, 11:30:51 AM
People don't understand though. Ordinary Americans do not have a say in anything that goes on in the world but they think Americas full of dumb, ignorant people.  Ask people who have been here... I never heard of one person from Europe complain when they visited. They have fun and love it when they are here. And thats all that matters if you think about it. People do almost anything and say anything they want. Do that in the Middle East and you will end up on a faces of death video. Women cant show there faces. What kinda bullshit is that?

it always cracks the fuck of me up when I read what a free country America is, LoL.
good god, this is absolutely normal and nothing special.
besides it's even hypocritical. you definitely arent THAT free.
youre less free than ppl in germany, no doubt. for instance: death penalty, no alcohol under 21, and you cant show anything sexual on TV without a scandal. LoL.
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: Suga Foot on June 14, 2004, 11:38:53 AM
I just wanna come in here and say something.  These terrorists are mad at the Western World becuase our wealth is infinite.  There are only 8 industrialized countries in the world (the G8).  The rest of the world isn't as well off as us.  The terrorists see us getting richer, and them getting poorer, and we're not doing enough to help the other countries.  So these terrorists are fighting for what they believe is right.  No matter how many get killed, there will always be terrorists.  There always have been terrorists.  It's only since 9/11 that the US had put so much energy into stopping it, but they can't.  They never will, but they have no other choice than to do what they are doing now.

I think a lot of people on WCC are ignorant, not just the Americans.  

Trauma:  I strongly disagree with the way you feel on many issues.  But I also understand why you feel the way you do.  Just like how I disagree with how many Iraqi people feel, but I understand why they feel the way they do.  
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: Lincoln on June 14, 2004, 12:32:10 PM
I just wanna come in here and say something.  These terrorists are mad at the Western World becuase our wealth is infinite.  There are only 8 industrialized countries in the world (the G8).  The rest of the world isn't as well off as us.  The terrorists see us getting richer, and them getting poorer, and we're not doing enough to help the other countries.  So these terrorists are fighting for what they believe is right.  No matter how many get killed, there will always be terrorists.  There always have been terrorists.  It's only since 9/11 that the US had put so much energy into stopping it, but they can't.  They never will, but they have no other choice than to do what they are doing now.

I think a lot of people on WCC are ignorant, not just the Americans.  

Trauma:  I strongly disagree with the way you feel on many issues.  But I also understand why you feel the way you do.  Just like how I disagree with how many Iraqi people feel, but I understand why they feel the way they do.  

Well said, I agree.
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: smerlus on June 14, 2004, 11:22:23 PM
People don't understand though. Ordinary Americans do not have a say in anything that goes on in the world but they think Americas full of dumb, ignorant people.  Ask people who have been here... I never heard of one person from Europe complain when they visited. They have fun and love it when they are here. And thats all that matters if you think about it. People do almost anything and say anything they want. Do that in the Middle East and you will end up on a faces of death video. Women cant show there faces. What kinda bullshit is that?

it always cracks the fuck of me up when I read what a free country America is, LoL.
good god, this is absolutely normal and nothing special.
besides it's even hypocritical. you definitely arent THAT free.
youre less free than ppl in germany, no doubt. for instance: death penalty, no alcohol under 21, and you cant show anything sexual on TV without a scandal. LoL.

death penalty is served up for murderers, and i don't see anything wrong with getting scum like that off the face of the earth

alcohol...some adults can't even control themselves with alcohol...so you'd want us to serve it in happy meals?

and our TV gives control to the parents...if parents don't want there kids to see titties while watching a football game...they shouldn't have to...and when i was litle, i saw plenty of titties on tv so i don't know what you're talking about here
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Post by: Don Rizzle on June 15, 2004, 01:30:20 AM
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death penalty is served up for murderers, and i don't see anything wrong with getting scum like that off the face of the earth
what if a mistake is made? what if the person didn't commit the murder and the state just kills the person for no reason, you can't reverse that. for a crime which gets the death penalty its an easy way out for the criminal too they don't even have to serve their sentence. let them rot away if they done bad no need to kill them there is no coming back from that. and what about the troops sent to iraq with itchy trigger fingers are the same standards followed up in the military? are unneccessary deaths properly investigated? what happened to rehabilitation?
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: 7even on June 15, 2004, 06:37:39 AM
People don't understand though. Ordinary Americans do not have a say in anything that goes on in the world but they think Americas full of dumb, ignorant people.  Ask people who have been here... I never heard of one person from Europe complain when they visited. They have fun and love it when they are here. And thats all that matters if you think about it. People do almost anything and say anything they want. Do that in the Middle East and you will end up on a faces of death video. Women cant show there faces. What kinda bullshit is that?

it always cracks the fuck of me up when I read what a free country America is, LoL.
good god, this is absolutely normal and nothing special.
besides it's even hypocritical. you definitely arent THAT free.
youre less free than ppl in germany, no doubt. for instance: death penalty, no alcohol under 21, and you cant show anything sexual on TV without a scandal. LoL.

death penalty is served up for murderers, and i don't see anything wrong with getting scum like that off the face of the earth

alcohol...some adults can't even control themselves with alcohol...so you'd want us to serve it in happy meals?

and our TV gives control to the parents...if parents don't want there kids to see titties while watching a football game...they shouldn't have to...and when i was litle, i saw plenty of titties on tv so i don't know what you're talking about here

first off, the major point is... : yall americans also talk shit like "im proud to live in such a free country, bla  bla.." it always comes down to how free your fucking country is. which is one of  the most ridicolous phrases used by you and that definitely does say something. I mean what the fuck? it's not that my country is not free (lol it even feels weird typing such trivial shit)... it's banal, it's not worth to mention, it just goes without saying. what the hell are you proud of not having slaves anymore? get the hell out of here.

the 2nd point is of course that your country is not that amazingly free as one should expect when he hears you talking like that. because of various reasons, like I mentioned before.
americans are prudish, everone in europe knows that as a fact. (about the tittie stuff) when Eminem was here on TV, he showed his ass like a 10 times (seriously) because, as he also said, he could not do that at home television. if you cant do such stuff, it's simply not that free. Im not saying it's good, I'm not saying it's bad. It's just absolutely anything but free.
Same with drinking alcohol as a adult. I really cant imagine being fucked by police for drinking beer as a 20 year old. It's plain insane to me, cant help it. Again, not that free. We drank beer when we were like 14 like shit, and noone had ever trouble with the police or anything and I know noone who has problems now. I bet this drug alcohol is also not that spread and accepted over there, but I dont know that 100% sure of course. Anyways, less free.
And the Death Penalty is just inhuman and mentally retarded. I expect 3rd world countries and middle east (tehre the irony goes) countries to have a law like that . But definitely not a so-called civilized country. And again yall have to see - it's anything but free.
Of course there are much more things I could mention to back up my argument.

So, I hope you fully understand how it cracks me up ANY time I read an american write "we live in a free country"... it always gives me a laugh, no matter how many times I read it, it's gorgeous. Im lovin' it.
We live in a free country. LOL. Priceless.
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: eNgIeS on June 16, 2004, 07:03:11 AM
I just wanna come in here and say something.  These terrorists are mad at the Western World becuase our wealth is infinite.  There are only 8 industrialized countries in the world (the G8).  The rest of the world isn't as well off as us.  The terrorists see us getting richer, and them getting poorer, and we're not doing enough to help the other countries.  So these terrorists are fighting for what they believe is right.  No matter how many get killed, there will always be terrorists.  There always have been terrorists.  It's only since 9/11 that the US had put so much energy into stopping it, but they can't.  They never will, but they have no other choice than to do what they are doing now.

I think a lot of people on WCC are ignorant, not just the Americans.  

Trauma:  I strongly disagree with the way you feel on many issues.  But I also understand why you feel the way you do.  Just like how I disagree with how many Iraqi people feel, but I understand why they feel the way they do.  

Well said, I agree.

me too
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: eNgIeS on June 16, 2004, 07:04:02 AM
good points 7even
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: Smoke on June 16, 2004, 07:42:01 AM

You killed a few thousand terrorists, and you made multiple million new terrorists at the same time.


is that an actual fact or are you talking out of your ass still?


That's an actual fact, Bin Laden got 1000 of al-Zarqawi's and al-Muqrin's placed all over the world as cell-leaders, and they're recruiting new "members" and training terrorists on a bigger scale than ever.. starting new cells all over the place.

The leaders can easily recruite a lot of easily deceived people, making the members/cells grow proportionally.
Using propaganda against America to recruit members became easier than ever, they get new ammunition every single day.

Actually that's wrong. Terrorism exists like that not since 2001, but since at least the '80's. Now it's just the phase when they are keep attaccking Americans and the moderated nations of Middle East, cause they wanna make some noise. But to say that Bush created terrorism, expecially international cells, is wrong. Look for example at terrorism in Spain and Italy. It's been proved by judges those terrorists lives here since the '80's. You dont make a cell in 2 seconds, like you said. But you need years and years of school, of contacts. Years where you try to look "normal", the typical "good guy". So no, Bush didnt create terrorism. Possibly it's terrorism who created Bush.
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: smerlus on June 16, 2004, 08:56:59 AM
good points 7even

he's complaining we should have nudity on tv...how about this....if you want nudity....go get a girlfriend... or a boyfriend since your example that we're not free is because we didn't see eminem's ass 45 times at an award show

we should be able to drink while we're younger....then why not make more drugs legal?

and we should let murderers live in jail instead of killing them

yeah these are 3 great reasons why we're not a free country  ::)
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: Smoke on June 16, 2004, 10:06:18 AM
Anyway you all aint getting the point. Being a free country doesnt mean to be without laws/rules. It means to be free to MAKE them rules. And in the USA, just like in a lot of other countries, you are free to vote your presidents and to choose your destiny. That means being a free country. Some of you all are confusing this thing with for example an isle in the Pacific where there are no rules, no lawyers, no judges, no police, no respect. That lil isle aint free. It's just prehistorical.
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: 7even on June 16, 2004, 10:29:10 AM
good points 7even

he's complaining we should have nudity on tv...how about this....if you want nudity....go get a girlfriend... or a boyfriend since your example that we're not free is because we didn't see eminem's ass 45 times at an award show

we should be able to drink while we're younger....then why not make more drugs legal?

and we should let murderers live in jail instead of killing them

yeah these are 3 great reasons why we're not a free country  ::)

lol, you transform these 3 examples into the worst form possible.
I said: Im not saying it's good, I'm not saying it's bad - less free though, sorry bud.

Ppl should have the right to express themselves on TV.
Adults should be allowed to consume legal drugs.
LoL and I wont even start why it's bad to kill people.

Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: 7even on June 16, 2004, 10:31:32 AM
Anyway you all aint getting the point. Being a free country doesnt mean to be without laws/rules. It means to be free to MAKE them rules. And in the USA, just like in a lot of other countries, you are free to vote your presidents and to choose your destiny. That means being a free country.

No, that just means democracy. 'Democracy' in a country reigned be Republicans instead of Democrats. :D


without rules.. that would be anarchy.
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: smerlus on June 16, 2004, 10:42:48 AM
you complain that it's stupid for americans to say how free they are and then you use three weak examples of how we are "less free"?

then you have to be really stupid
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: 7even on June 16, 2004, 11:07:55 AM
you complain that it's stupid for americans to say how free they are and then you use three weak examples of how we are "less free"?

then you have to be really stupid

not 1 out of 10 persons would say Im really stupid after reading my long post on top of that page.
whatever. you have the priviledge to think what you want, since youre an american. and everyone knows what a free country that is.
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: Smoke on June 16, 2004, 11:13:43 AM
Anyway you all aint getting the point. Being a free country doesnt mean to be without laws/rules. It means to be free to MAKE them rules. And in the USA, just like in a lot of other countries, you are free to vote your presidents and to choose your destiny. That means being a free country.

No, that just means democracy. 'Democracy' in a country reigned be Republicans instead of Democrats. :D


without rules.. that would be anarchy.

I disagree. Democracy means another thing: it means the direct order from people to politicians to make rules. In various forms (it's too long to explain, and expecially it's quite hard for me to do it in english). Anyway what i mean is that there's no freedom without rules and jail. You dont have to look at the freedom of 1 PERSON, but of the whole community. What's better for the community? Cause very often it aint the best thing for 1 person only. Sorry if it aint clear, but i've read books and books about it at Uni, and expecially i'm italian, it's a lil bit complicated for me to write it all in english. Anyway yeah, the point is that there's no freedom without rules. Democracy is a way to make them rules.
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: smerlus on June 16, 2004, 11:15:38 AM
you complain that it's stupid for americans to say how free they are and then you use three weak examples of how we are "less free"?

then you have to be really stupid

this still stands...

so we are less free than you because you say so?

i can go to a nude beach, strip club, rent porno or watch a movie on cable when ever i want....

i could go to the store, buy some tequila, go to my girlfriends house and get her 18 year old twin sisters drunk...and since it's in their own house....no cops can do anything to them...only thing they can't do is purchase it

and 3...i'd rather get the chair for tax evasion than get butt raped for the next 8 years...so the death penalty is pretty good

there goes your 3 awesome reasons why we're "less free" broken down ebven though this whole arguement is similar to the elemntary "my dad can beat your dad"
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: 7even on June 16, 2004, 11:23:36 AM
it's all good smerlus, Im not trying to persuade you of anything.
all I wanna do is to state my opinion and give other fellow boardusers the chance to learn from what they've read and appreciate it.
if you use that chance or if you just let it slip ... that's up to you. you live in a free country. it's your decision.
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: Primo on June 16, 2004, 06:25:13 PM
I agree with smerlus. Those are very stupid reasons to say we aint free. Did u even know that the drinking age was 18 then they changed it to 19 I believe then 21. It could be because in places in Europe alot of people use public transportation I.E subway/bus.And I noticed people in Europe usually wait alot longer to get a car .. Most people in America by the time they are 16 and a half have a car. Our drinkin age could have been raised because of the drunk driving deaths. The TV stuff is self explainitory. Do you really want your kids to look at a girls titties on a show or people fucking when they are too young to see that stuff. Thats why we have cable channels and digital cable with over 400 channels if we want to see that stuff.

Name something significant besides drinking that you can do in Europe than you couldn't do in the US.
Title: Re:I can't even read this board anymore... what the hell is wrong with some of
Post by: smerlus on June 16, 2004, 10:48:29 PM
i don't know if it's because i was able to drink legally when i was 18....or the fact that i can drink legally now and the highschool football team can't...but here's how i see the whole drinking thing....

the people can't even follow the rule NOT to drink under a certain age...so should we give them the privilage to drink when they're not even mature enough to respect the law?