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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Montana00 on June 18, 2004, 11:03:48 AM
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20040618/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saudi_kidnapped_american_25
well i knew it was going to happen. you cant deal with middle easterns. about a week ago the saudi kidnappers said they would hand over paul johnson if america released high ranking al queda members. america never did it, but searched for paul johnson.
today the kidnappers posted on their website that they beheaded him. they took photos and posted it on their website. im guessing a video will be released soon.
well....im not shocked by this....it seems to be a normal thing in the middle east nowadays. but im mourn for the family of the lost.
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Cowards.
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Daniel Pearl, Nick Berg, and now Paul Johnson. A reporter, a person looking for humanitarian work, and another who worked in Saudi Arabia for nearly 20 years.
Where any of these 3 men combatants against these people? Nope.
You can say that Islam is a religion of peace all you want but the truth is proving you wrong.
When a group does something like this and has half of the support of the Saudi Arabian people, something is not right. HALF of the Saudi Arabian people support this type of activity. Is this not ringing some alarms for others on here?
I've tried to look at it from their point of view.
It is our fault.
Bush did this.
Colonization.
Support of Israel.
White racism.
These arguments go bankrupt every time something like this happens. The belief that the hostility Muslims have towards the West is due to our relationship with Israel is a fucking lie. If that were the case, why are so many other countries fighting against a Muslim jihad? Sudan, Nigeria, Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bosnia, Chechnya, Algeria Macedonia, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Israel, Somalia, Ethiopia, Ivory Coast? Do these countries support Israel?
The violence of jihad is rooted in the culture of the perpetrators, not the victims.
I'm fucking disgusted.
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nothing will happen, saudi arabia is not on their list.
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Not to mention.
As posted before, the BBC reporter was taking photos in saudia arabia. when some muslims ran up to him. shot him numerous times in the stomach. He cried for help and no one helped him. he was laying in the middle of the road for hours.
He started crying out that he was muslim, and showed everyone his koran. a little while later some men carried him to a hospital.
This man was not muslim. He was taught that you should always carry a koran, incase you ever get in trouble.
There was also a time when a man working in saudia arabia was pulling into his garage and some muslims ran up to his car and murdered him. Also the man who was with paul johnson was murdered.
it is kinda sad when you have to announce your religion for people to help you.
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What are we waiting for?? The US has thousands and thousands of nuclear missles lying around...USE EM!!!
Fuck the Saudi's, fuck Al Quida...fuck em all. Nuke the arab bastards off the fucking map and be done with it.
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That's horrible. My heart goes out to his family and friends.
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What are we waiting for?? The US has thousands and thousands of nuclear missles lying around...USE EM!!!
Fuck the Saudi's, fuck Al Quida...fuck em all. Nuke the arab bastards off the fucking map and be done with it.
so you encourage genocide?
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i dont knwo what genocide is, but i do know that you cant just nuke the middle east.
its not right.
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i dont knwo what genocide is, but i do know that you cant just nuke the middle east.
its not right.
genocide.
gen·o·cide n.
The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group.
like the holocaust
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i dont knwo what genocide is, but i do know that you cant just nuke the middle east.
its not right.
You're right...just nuke Saudi Arabia
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What are we waiting for?? The US has thousands and thousands of nuclear missles lying around...USE EM!!!
Fuck the Saudi's, fuck Al Quida...fuck em all. Nuke the arab bastards off the fucking map and be done with it.
so you encourage genocide?
Well, seeing as Bin Laden is supported in Saudi Arabia, and Bin Laden wants to kill all Americans (aka genocide), then yes I do.
It'll never happen. Nuclear bombs will never be used in war, so IMO, they should ALL be disarmed. American, Russian, Chinese, N. Korean (they might actually use em though)...all of em. Find a different and less harmful way (no radiation) to blow shit up.
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If that were the case, why are so many other countries fighting against a Muslim jihad? Sudan, Nigeria, Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bosnia, Chechnya, Algeria Macedonia, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Israel, Somalia, Ethiopia, Ivory Coast? Do these countries support Israel?
This statement right here says it all. Muslims do not want to acknowledge this fact: wherever there is Islam, there is violence and terror. They simply cannot live in peace with people of other religions and culture. Islam is the greatest evil on the face of the earth.
RIP to Paul Johnson. You can see the photos of what the Muslims did to him on www.drudgereport.com. They sawed off his head, then jammed a knife into his skull and set it on his chest.
Only Islam......
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If that were the case, why are so many other countries fighting against a Muslim jihad? Sudan, Nigeria, Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bosnia, Chechnya, Algeria Macedonia, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Israel, Somalia, Ethiopia, Ivory Coast? Do these countries support Israel?
This statement right here says it all. Muslims do not want to acknowledge this fact: wherever there is Islam, there is violence and terror. They simply cannot live in peace with people of other religions and culture. Islam is the greatest evil on the face of the earth.
RIP to Paul Johnson. You can see the photos of what the Muslims did to him on www.drudgereport.com. They sawed off his head, then jammed a knife into his skull and set it on his chest.
Only Islam......
Yeah, that was so sick. And then there are still people who defend Al Quada prisoners. Can you believe that?!
www.ogrish.com
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May he rest in peace. :'(
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i feel so bad for his family to have to hear about this. i would be heartbroken if i learn that one of my close relatives had his head chopped off by some angry muslims. id probably join the army.
o and btw, you said that nukes will never be used in war. Well normal people wont use nukes in war, but.
The minute islamics get a hold of a small nuclear device that can fit in a backpack/briefcase. They are going to bring it to a highly populated city (washington dc most likely) and detonate it in the center of the city. destroying everything withing a mile perimeter. These people have alot of money. so the minute they can purchase a nuke like this they will jump at the chance to buy it.
There are many countries who have nuclear capabilities, that are a very poor nation, who would like to sell nukes for lots of money. Its not that far fetched.
Al-queda will be attacking america soon, its just a matter of either nuclear or chemical weapons.
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but i thought islam=peace ::)
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but i thought islam=peace ::)
o yea my bad, it musta been a mistype. id fix it, but the edit button isnt working.
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What are we waiting for?? The US has thousands and thousands of nuclear missles lying around...USE EM!!!
Fuck the Saudi's, fuck Al Quida...fuck em all. Nuke the arab bastards off the fucking map and be done with it.
shut up come back in a few years when u've gone thru puberty u mite understand grown folks business
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but i thought islam=peace ::)
o yea my bad, it musta been a mistype. id fix it, but the edit button isnt working.
lol
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What are we waiting for?? The US has thousands and thousands of nuclear missles lying around...USE EM!!!
Fuck the Saudi's, fuck Al Quida...fuck em all. Nuke the arab bastards off the fucking map and be done with it.
Exactly. With every beheading, we're moving closer and closer to this, and more and more of us think this way. I honestly didn't think that way a few years ago... but I do now. How long before we all demand it? How much longer until this inevitable war between Islam and EVERYBODY comes down? It WILL happen, it's just a matter of time.
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Some1 maintaining Apache helicopters isn't considered a combatant? oooook
Yeah I'm sure the average Muslim person yearns to chop someones head off.
Talking about generalizations...some of your comments are just fucking stupid.
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Some1 maintaining Apache helicopters isn't considered a combatant? oooook
Yeah I'm sure the average Muslim person yearns to chop someones head off.
I'm quite sure most of em don't disagree with it.
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Some1 maintaining Apache helicopters isn't considered a combatant? oooook
Yeah I'm sure the average Muslim person yearns to chop someones head off.
Talking about generalizations...some of your comments are just fucking stupid.
Please tell me when American Apache helicopters have EVER attacked a target in Saudi Arabia.
I'm positive the average muslim dosen't want to chop somebody's head off, but when 50% of the muslim population in Suadi Arabia support the group that carries out these actions, somethings not right.
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If that were the case, why are so many other countries fighting against a Muslim jihad? Sudan, Nigeria, Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bosnia, Chechnya, Algeria Macedonia, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Israel, Somalia, Ethiopia, Ivory Coast? Do these countries support Israel?
This statement right here says it all. Muslims do not want to acknowledge this fact: wherever there is Islam, there is violence and terror. They simply cannot live in peace with people of other religions and culture. Islam is the greatest evil on the face of the earth.
RIP to Paul Johnson. You can see the photos of what the Muslims did to him on www.drudgereport.com. They sawed off his head, then jammed a knife into his skull and set it on his chest.
Only Islam......
Yeah, that was so sick. And then there are still people who defend Al Quada prisoners. Can you believe that?!
www.ogrish.com
lol what Al Quaida prisoners are you talking about?
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Some1 maintaining Apache helicopters isn't considered a combatant? oooook
Yeah I'm sure the average Muslim person yearns to chop someones head off.
Talking about generalizations...some of your comments are just fucking stupid.
Please tell me when American Apache helicopters have EVER attacked a target in Saudi Arabia.
I'm positive the average muslim dosen't want to chop somebody's head off, but when 50% of the muslim population in Suadi Arabia support the group that carries out these actions, somethings not right.
They don't want the u.s. military in their country period.
Saudis hate their own puppet government maybe that could explain bin Laden's popularity.
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Genocide isn't the answer.
Nukes aren't the answer.
I don't know what the answer is. I don't think anybody does.
Killing off an entire race of people is just moronic. Killing off the members of an entire religion is even worse.
Education, Revolution, and discussion are just a few of the things that I think need to become mainstream in Islam for it to co-exist with the world’s major religions. I'm positive that there are Muslims who want peace and co-existence in the world, the problem is getting these people into positions of power and influence so that they can spread their word and get the hate mongers out of power. I think this change is going to have to come from within, and unfortunately I don't see it happening anytime soon.
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Some1 maintaining Apache helicopters isn't considered a combatant? oooook
Yeah I'm sure the average Muslim person yearns to chop someones head off.
Talking about generalizations...some of your comments are just fucking stupid.
Please tell me when American Apache helicopters have EVER attacked a target in Saudi Arabia.
I'm positive the average muslim dosen't want to chop somebody's head off, but when 50% of the muslim population in Suadi Arabia support the group that carries out these actions, somethings not right.
They don't want the u.s. military in their country period.
Saudis hate their own puppet government maybe that could explain bin Laden's popularity.
So you move from: A guy working on an apache isn't part of the war, to: They don't want the US in their country period. I don't get it.
I also don't understand how disliking a government can lead to the support of murder.
The Survey that gave the 50% stats also said that only 5% of the people thought that Bin Laden and Al Queda should be in charge of Saudi Arabia. There goes that argument.
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Some1 maintaining Apache helicopters isn't considered a combatant? oooook
Yeah I'm sure the average Muslim person yearns to chop someones head off.
I'm quite sure most of em don't disagree with it.
[Dr Phil] Are you nuts? I didnt just come in here on a load of turnips [/Dr Phil]
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Genocide isn't the answer.
Nukes aren't the answer.
I don't know what the answer is. I don't think anybody does.
Killing off an entire race of people is just moronic. Killing off the members of an entire religion is even worse.
Education, Revolution, and discussion are just a few of the things that I think need to become mainstream in Islam for it to co-exist with the world’s major religions. I'm positive that there are Muslims who want peace and co-existence in the world, the problem is getting these people into positions of power and influence so that they can spread their word and get the hate mongers out of power. I think this change is going to have to come from within, and unfortunately I don't see it happening anytime soon.
I agree, but listen, its not just the Muslims who need to change to help the healing process. America has done wrong things, America continues to do some wrong things. Thats aight everyone makes bad decisions, just so happens when your the leader of a country like the USA your decisions effect millions of people.
America & the rest of the western world (Including my country Australia) needs to change some of there ways & perhaps help educate these people in the middle east or wherever, coz alot of these countries are poor so they lack the education & things we take for granted.
Because obviously we are doing something wrong, if we werent, why would they be angry at us.
Hopefully it can come down to peace, i wouldnt hold my breath thou
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Heres a thought,
We currently have us military stationed in Germany. Please tell me the last time you saw a german behead a american because of being imbedded in their country? im gonna go on a lim and say never.
You can use stupid justifications on why they behead. ITs a simple answer. these people are full of hate, and their looking at any excuse to just fuck people over more and more.
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Heres a thought,
We currently have us military stationed in Germany. Please tell me the last time you saw a german behead a american because of being imbedded in their country? im gonna go on a lim and say never.
You can use stupid justifications on why they behead. ITs a simple answer. these people are full of hate, and their looking at any excuse to just fuck people over more and more.
please tell me the last time jews moved into our country with tanks and machine rifles and stole our land randomly.
please tell me the last time you went into our country with bombs and soldiers killing innocent ppl without an official reason.
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Genocide isn't the answer.
Nukes aren't the answer.
I don't know what the answer is. I don't think anybody does.
Killing off an entire race of people is just moronic. Killing off the members of an entire religion is even worse.
Education, Revolution, and discussion are just a few of the things that I think need to become mainstream in Islam for it to co-exist with the world’s major religions. I'm positive that there are Muslims who want peace and co-existence in the world, the problem is getting these people into positions of power and influence so that they can spread their word and get the hate mongers out of power. I think this change is going to have to come from within, and unfortunately I don't see it happening anytime soon.
congratulations, first post of you that didnt upset me.
the only valid answer can be mutual peace. and somebody has to start that peace. may the more civilized party do that.
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please tell me the last time jews moved into our country with tanks and machine rifles and stole our land randomly.
I really hope I misunderstood this :-X
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Johnson's Family: He Loved Saudi Arabia
Family of Slain American Captive Says Act Doesn't Represent Saudi Arabia
GALLOWAY TOWNSHIP, N.J. June 18, 2004 — The family of an American captive beheaded by militants in Saudi Arabia on Friday said authorities worked as hard as they could to rescue Paul Johnson Jr., and that his slaying did not dampen their respect for his adopted country.
"Paul considered Saudi Arabia his home. He loved the people and the country," said an FBI agent speaking on behalf of Johnson's relatives.
"They also know this act of terrorism was committed by extremists and does not represent the Saudi Arabia that Paul often spoke and wrote about to his family," said Joseph Billy Jr., special agent in charge of the FBI's Newark office.
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040618_1826.html
I thing that sums it up.
To that dickhead who said use nukes, grow up.
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these people are retarted, did they really think there demands were gonna be met? Glad my dad didn't accept the job offer he had there.
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Heres a thought,
We currently have us military stationed in Germany. Please tell me the last time you saw a german behead a american because of being imbedded in their country? im gonna go on a lim and say never.
You can use stupid justifications on why they behead. ITs a simple answer. these people are full of hate, and their looking at any excuse to just fuck people over more and more.
please tell me the last time jews moved into our country with tanks and machine rifles and stole our land randomly.
please tell me the last time you went into our country with bombs and soldiers killing innocent ppl without an official reason.
please tell me the last time we have bombed saudia arabia. please name a time that we have killed innocent saudis. i know we are doing this in iraq, but we have dont nothing wrong in sauida arabia.
so my analogy was correct with the occupation in germany. We are in germany right now, and were not bombing them. Germans are not beheading our people.
We are in sauida arabia right now, and were not bombing them. Saudis are beheading our people.....HMM maybe its because these people are islamic.
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only time will tell what will happen, but until then if your going to talk shit about doing something join the military dont hide behind a forum.
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Heres a thought,
We currently have us military stationed in Germany. Please tell me the last time you saw a german behead a american because of being imbedded in their country? im gonna go on a lim and say never.
You can use stupid justifications on why they behead. ITs a simple answer. these people are full of hate, and their looking at any excuse to just fuck people over more and more.
looooooool ;D
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Some1 maintaining Apache helicopters isn't considered a combatant? oooook
Yeah I'm sure the average Muslim person yearns to chop someones head off.
Talking about generalizations...some of your comments are just fucking stupid.
Please tell me when American Apache helicopters have EVER attacked a target in Saudi Arabia.
I'm positive the average muslim dosen't want to chop somebody's head off, but when 50% of the muslim population in Suadi Arabia support the group that carries out these actions, somethings not right.
They don't want the u.s. military in their country period.
Saudis hate their own puppet government maybe that could explain bin Laden's popularity.
So you move from: A guy working on an apache isn't part of the war, to: They don't want the US in their country period. I don't get it.
I also don't understand how disliking a government can lead to the support of murder.
The Survey that gave the 50% stats also said that only 5% of the people thought that Bin Laden and Al Queda should be in charge of Saudi Arabia. There goes that argument.
He's working against them...for example if there was a revolution in Saudi Arabia who do you think would protect King Fahd etc.....Americans.
US/Israel vs. Palestine/Iraq <<< Saudis(Muslims) take that as a personal attack against them.
He's a murderer to you...idol to them, you know fighting the crusaders.
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only time will tell what will happen, but until then if your going to talk shit about doing something join the military dont hide behind a forum.
well your ass should be going...
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fuckin animals >:(
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See Englewood, u brought up some good points for discussion. But two things.
1. The majority of Muslims are just as disgusted by this as you. We're not genetically modified creatures born to hate your freedoms. Islam is not a culture of violence either. You have a group of Wahhabis (lil 12 year olds, google up these folks) who are convinced they are fighting a war against America's injustice but killing random American citizens. This is illogical thinking, that Muslims dont support. Saudis are all crazy fucks, theyre fanatics. Muslims are not just Arabs. They're 1.3 billion motherfuckers on this planet. Theres tops a few hundred Al Qaeda folks, a couple more thousand jihadists, and a sprinkle of wars here and there. How can you compare this to 1.3 billion people. Have some common sense. You say, why dont we condemn it. How do u want us to condemn it? We dont have power here or in our countries. The concerns of Muslims are not adressed in this countries due to various political problems, so you have a common reaction of extremist elements. It happens in every society, in this case the extremists are recieving increasing support, due to them being the only outlet for expression of opposition, and them exploiting the Islamic faith among poor frustrated people. You think Jordanians like King Abdullah? You think Saudis like the Royal family? Honestly, a sprinkle of Gulf Emirates are the only stable Arab govts. Any of the others could fall.
2. You fail to adress any responsibility on your part. I adress extremist reactions to American injustices, but why are you so quiet? Ignorant people on this forum say I defend terrorists. How is that? I condemn everything they do. I just understand as a Muslim why drives them to do it. Thats it. You motherfuckers started the whole thing. Sultanates in Damascus and Cairo werent plotting ways to fuck around with European states. Muslims have gotten several dicks to our faces this century, you guys dont say shit about that. Same broken record over and over again.
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Fuck this shit. Talking like Muslims are not fit to co exist in the world community. Look at the crimes Christains and Jews have commited since their inception. Look at what theyre doing now. If yall minds were more informed, you would understand how much more fucked up shit Jews and Christains do in this world compared to several dozen peeps blown up in Israel or the occasional beheading. Not to belittle these deaths in any way, but you have entire people oppressed compared to occasional murders.
Im sick and tired of your lives being considered better than mine.
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I dont want to be a racist, but i think a lot of people in the middle east, claiming they fights for Islam, are really making it looks like Islam = devil. I thought Islam was all about peace? Yeah, right! ::)
People is killing Israeli soldiers and showing parts of their mutilated bodies on TV like a Champion's League Cup. Heads, hands, feet.. Thanking Allah.
Other people in Iraq are shooting execution stile an Italian civil thanking Allah and are beheading an American civil showing his head on TV, worldwide.
Other people in Saudi Arabia are killing an Italian cook, thanking Allah, and beheading another US civil, always thanking Allah.
What the fuck is up with ya? Muslims never looked more stupid than they do now.
I know the "We muslims are disgusted just like you" shit, but damn, what are you doing to blame those bastards? Why the only topics i see dissing those bastards and those methods are opened by non-muslims? Fuck that, the only topics i'm seeing opened by muslims are "FUCK AMERICA", "FUCK BUSH", "AMERICA IS DEVIL". Shit, make a fucking topic dissing the fuck out of those bastards if you really wanna sell me the "we muslims are disgusted just like you" shit.
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Heres a thought,
We currently have us military stationed in Germany. Please tell me the last time you saw a german behead a american because of being imbedded in their country? im gonna go on a lim and say never.
You can use stupid justifications on why they behead. ITs a simple answer. these people are full of hate, and their looking at any excuse to just fuck people over more and more.
please tell me the last time jews moved into our country with tanks and machine rifles and stole our land randomly.
please tell me the last time you went into our country with bombs and soldiers killing innocent ppl without an official reason.
please tell me the last time we have bombed saudia arabia. please name a time that we have killed innocent saudis. i know we are doing this in iraq, but we have dont nothing wrong in sauida arabia.
so my analogy was correct with the occupation in germany. We are in germany right now, and were not bombing them. Germans are not beheading our people.
We are in sauida arabia right now, and were not bombing them. Saudis are beheading our people.....HMM maybe its because these people are islamic.
US/Israel vs. Palestine/Iraq <<< Saudis(Muslims) take that as a personal attack against them.
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I dont want to be a racist, but i think a lot of people in the middle east, claiming they fights for Islam, are really making it looks like Islam = devil. I thought Islam was all about peace? Yeah, right! ::)
People is killing Israeli soldiers and showing parts of their mutilated bodies on TV like a Champion's League Cup. Heads, hands, feet.. Thanking Allah.
Other people in Iraq are shooting execution stile an Italian civil thanking Allah and are beheading an American civil showing his head on TV, worldwide.
Other people in Saudi Arabia are killing an Italian cook, thanking Allah, and beheading another US civil, always thanking Allah.
What the fuck is up with ya? Muslims never looked more stupid than they do now.
I know the "We muslims are disgusted just like you" shit, but damn, what are you doing to blame those bastards? Why the only topics i see dissing those bastards and those methods are opened by non-muslims? Fuck that, the only topics i'm seeing opened by muslims are "FUCK AMERICA", "FUCK BUSH", "AMERICA IS DEVIL". Shit, make a fucking topic dissing the fuck out of those bastards if you really wanna sell me the "we muslims are disgusted just like you" shit.
you only got to look at the actions of western countries to understand why they don't like us. and the real evil place on this earth is israel sort them out and things will be alot more peaceful, but instead america spends billions on the israeli army each year, what do they do? steal palestinian land dulldozer their homes cram them into refugee camps and fire missles and tanks shells into those camps, in the mean time they are building jewish only settlements on palestinian land and building walls around them to ensure they stay jewish. they don't even mind shooting at clearly marked UN vehicles, they have no respect for international or the UN, they are selfish scum. we should be in Israel removing the goverment and getting rid of their WNDs and force them to give back all stolen land and pay out billions in reperations, the world would be a much better place after that.
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Ok, but that's a totally different thing.
I'm still waiting to read topic of muslims disgusted by those people.
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lol did you just say that jews and christians are worse then islamic people?
Please remind me the last time a jew got into a 747 and ran it into a building, killing 2000 innocent civilians.
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Ok, but that's a totally different thing.
I'm still waiting to read topic of muslims disgusted by those people.
yet i haven’t seen americans make threads about how disgusting and evil the americans were when they nuked hospitals in Iraq, provided Israel with mass destruction weapon, destroyed Afghanistan with no reason.. bla bla...
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lol did you just say that jews and christians are worse then islamic people?
Please remind me the last time a jew got into a 747 and ran it into a building, killing 2000 innocent civilians.
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761561210/Crusades.html
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thanks for showing me this, because ive never heard of it ::)
The Crusades were first undertaken in 1096 and ended in the late 13th century.
what i meant was there not doing it now. Because if you go back i dont think to my knowledge that islamics did carbombs and jihads back in the old days. i dont even know how long the islamic relgion has been around (and dont care)
my point is currently. Jews and Christians are living in peace. muslims.....are not.
if it werent for muslims countries the world would be in a somewhat peaceful society.
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Ok, but that's a totally different thing.
I'm still waiting to read topic of muslims disgusted by those people.
yet i haven’t seen americans make threads about how disgusting and evil the americans were when they nuked hospitals in Iraq, provided Israel with mass destruction weapon, destroyed Afghanistan with no reason.. bla bla...
Mmmm.. are you talking about the Dubcc forum? Just take a look at the forum, man. lol.
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thanks for showing me this, because ive never heard of it ::)
The Crusades were first undertaken in 1096 and ended in the late 13th century.
what i meant was there not doing it now. Because if you go back i dont think to my knowledge that islamics did carbombs and jihads back in the old days. i dont even know how long the islamic relgion has been around (and dont care)
my point is currently. Jews and Christians are living in peace. muslims.....are not.
if it werent for muslims countries the world would be in a somewhat peaceful society.
don't be so ignorant when was the last time muslims countries meddled in western countries business? when was the last time muslim countries made a full scale invasion on western countries? i understand they have genuine reason to be mad at us. for every westerm civillians killed there have probably been hundreds or thousands or muslim civillians killed. the difference is its our armies doing it and the terrorists kill civillians normally without state support.
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I'm tired of repeating myself, I don't know why people don't understand, I'm just going to keep copying and pasting on every one of these threads.
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If your going to try to attempt to understand the dynamics of the Muslim world you must first learn a few things about Islam.
Killing in the name of Allah is not a "diss" to Islam, as you say. I don't know where you got that idea. In Islam, Muslims have the right to self-defense. Allah states in chapter 41:42(42:41) of the Noble Qu'ran, "Those who fight when oppressed incur no giult, but those who oppress will surely feel the wrath of Allah."
How can someone be outraged at a few beheadings of American's who are in Iraq either with the military or working to get at Iraq's oil and energy resources, but you are not outraged at the United States mass murdering 15,000 Iraqi's over the last year!!!!!!
How is this possible? I really don't understand. Do you think an Iraqi life is any less than an American life. You act as if you think one American life is equal to 5,000 dead Iraqi's. And don't forget, the American's are the one's who invaded, sabatoged, and devastated Iraq; they are now currently occupying Iraq and usurping Iraq's resources. So why are you outraged when there is one beheading yet you say nothing about 15,000 Iraqi's murdered? This makes no sense.
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Then you wanted to talk about Isreal and Palestine, Palestinians had dominated Isreal since the 9th century. Some 50 or so years ago, the United States drove 1 million (the number is now near 3 million) Palestinians from the land they've been on for 13,000 years and gave it to the Jews. The Jews have been killing Palestinians ever since and expanding their territory in a systematic genocide. Yet you are outraged at a few "suicide" bombers. This makes no sense. How can you think in this way?
It would be like if a few Native American Indians went and burnt down a pilgrim village and you were outraged, yet neglected to notice that Native American's have been virtually wiped off of their nation without apology.
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Like I said before...
NUKE EM
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I'm tired of repeating myself, I don't know why people don't understand, I'm just going to keep copying and pasting on every one of these threads.
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If your going to try to attempt to understand the dynamics of the Muslim world you must first learn a few things about Islam.
Killing in the name of Allah is not a "diss" to Islam, as you say. I don't know where you got that idea. In Islam, Muslims have the right to self-defense. Allah states in chapter 41:42(42:41) of the Noble Qu'ran, "Those who fight when oppressed incur no giult, but those who oppress will surely feel the wrath of Allah."
How can someone be outraged at a few beheadings of American's who are in Iraq either with the military or working to get at Iraq's oil and energy resources, but you are not outraged at the United States mass murdering 15,000 Iraqi's over the last year!!!!!!
How is this possible? I really don't understand. Do you think an Iraqi life is any less than an American life. You act as if you think one American life is equal to 5,000 dead Iraqi's. And don't forget, the American's are the one's who invaded, sabatoged, and devastated Iraq; they are now currently occupying Iraq and usurping Iraq's resources. So why are you outraged when there is one beheading yet you say nothing about 15,000 Iraqi's murdered? This makes no sense.
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Then you wanted to talk about Isreal and Palestine, Palestinians had dominated Isreal since the 9th century. Some 50 or so years ago, the United States drove 1 million (the number is now near 3 million) Palestinians from the land they've been on for 13,000 years and gave it to the Jews. The Jews have been killing Palestinians ever since and expanding their territory in a systematic genocide. Yet you are outraged at a few "suicide" bombers. This makes no sense. How can you think in this way?
It would be like if a few Native American Indians went and burnt down a pilgrim village and you were outraged, yet neglected to notice that Native American's have been virtually wiped off of their nation without apology.
Unbelievable what a fucking dumbass you are :-\
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Ok, but that's a totally different thing.
I'm still waiting to read topic of muslims disgusted by those people.
yet i haven’t seen americans make threads about how disgusting and evil the americans were when they nuked hospitals in Iraq, provided Israel with mass destruction weapon, destroyed Afghanistan with no reason.. bla bla...
you need a history book badly...
the only Nukes that were ever dropped to kill people were in japan...so there goes your "nuking" hospital theory
Israel might have WMD but they have yet to use them...
and afghanistan only housed a terrorist network that were responsible for the deaths of 2,000 civilians, along with the government supporting their actions
some other people have valid arguements but you do not....stick to the G Spot because you're not cut out for this part
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Ok, but that's a totally different thing.
I'm still waiting to read topic of muslims disgusted by those people.
yet i haven’t seen americans make threads about how disgusting and evil the americans were when they nuked hospitals in Iraq, provided Israel with mass destruction weapon, destroyed Afghanistan with no reason.. bla bla...
you need a history book badly...
the only Nukes that were ever dropped to kill people were in japan...so there goes your "nuking" hospital theory
Israel might have WMD but they have yet to use them...
and afghanistan only housed a terrorist network that were responsible for the deaths of 2,000 civilians, along with the government supporting their actions
some other people have valid arguements but you do not....stick to the G Spot because you're not cut out for this part
"bombed" was the word off course... it was a slip...
and afghanistan only housed a terrorist network that were responsible for the deaths of 2,000 civilians, along with the government supporting their actions
afghanistan had bin laden, yes, but they wanted USA to show some proof before deciding what to do, instead, USA bombed them... now i dont see any logic in that... do you?
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we only know what was on the news and what was on the news was that but also Bin Laden took responsibility for the bombing (there goes the proof) and afghanistan still didn't hand him over... plus the fact that the Taliban houses tens of thousands more terrorists in their country...don't think just because we had Bin Laden that the rest of these terrorists were going to start looking for day jobs and start attending college
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true al quaeda opporates in cells which means they can opperate with little or no central guidence althopugh they will need their own logistical support
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trust me....if america decided to nuke, there would be nothing left of the middle east. the nukes we have nowadays are very very powerful. Pakistan is the only country in the middle east with nukes, and there cant even reach america.
im not saying to do it, im just throwing this out their that if we were too, you'd know. You cant just nuke a hospital ::)
anyway, i started reading the last posts, and then had to read the topic again....
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the other argument is nuke america and then they won't have a problem with u any more u guys are just as bad as them
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thats the difference between america and those fucked up middle easterns....
we have thousands of nukes and dont use them.
The second bin-laden or one of his boyfriends gets ahold of a nuke...they will use it on america. there drooling just thinking about getting a nuke infront of the white house to wipe out all of our government.
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uhum except for the nukes that killed 180,000 people in japan, america is the only country to use nukes on another....
and what did the american president say at the time "this is the greatest monent in history"
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uhum except for the nukes that killed 180,000 people in japan, america is the only country to use nukes on another....
and what did the american president say at the time "this is the greatest monent in history"
Yea, well have you ever thought about what the war would have been like if we wouldnt have used nuclear weapons? You should.
Both sides would have lost hundreds of thousands if not millions of people both civilian and military people. It could have lasted for years, because japan had stated that they would never surrender. The united states would have began bombing major cities like tokyo, which would have devistated japan, and its economy. Because tokyo was back then and still is a major part of japan.
Basically it would have devistated both sides. So yea we killed 180,000.
But if we wouldnt have used the atomic bomb, 10x that number would have been dead. think about the big picture.
although i wouldnt have said "this is the greatest monent in history"
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uhum except for the nukes that killed 180,000 people in japan, america is the only country to use nukes on another....
and what did the american president say at the time "this is the greatest monent in history"
Yea, well have you ever thought about what the war would have been like if we wouldnt have used nuclear weapons? You should.
Both sides would have lost hundreds of thousands if not millions of people both civilian and military people. It could have lasted for years, because japan had stated that they would never surrender. The united states would have began bombing major cities like tokyo, which would have devistated japan, and its economy. Because tokyo was back then and still is a major part of japan.
Basically it would have devistated both sides. So yea we killed 180,000.
But if we wouldnt have used the atomic bomb, 10x that number would have been dead. think about the big picture.
although i wouldnt have said "this is the greatest monent in history"
Well said, Rampant.
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america was pussy end of discussion.
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uhum except for the nukes that killed 180,000 people in japan, america is the only country to use nukes on another....
and what did the american president say at the time "this is the greatest monent in history"
Yea, well have you ever thought about what the war would have been like if we wouldnt have used nuclear weapons? You should.
Both sides would have lost hundreds of thousands if not millions of people both civilian and military people. It could have lasted for years, because japan had stated that they would never surrender. The united states would have began bombing major cities like tokyo, which would have devistated japan, and its economy. Because tokyo was back then and still is a major part of japan.
Basically it would have devistated both sides. So yea we killed 180,000.
But if we wouldnt have used the atomic bomb, 10x that number would have been dead. think about the big picture
although i wouldnt have said "this is the greatest monent in history"
according to whom?
even if we assume its true.... so your point is: its ok to take somebodys live if there's a chance that it will save even more lives...
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What do you mean if there was a chance??????????
Your honestly saying that if we wouldnt have nuked, that the war wouldve not lasted that long, with minimal casualties?
thats plain ignorance if you believe that.
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What do you mean if there was a chance??????????
Your honestly saying that if we wouldnt have nuked, that the war wouldve not lasted that long, with minimal casualties?
thats plain ignorance if you believe that.
its always easy to talk AFTER seeing the result... you cant possibly mean that the outcome was predictable, even the president had to think for a long time before giving the order, thats a fact.
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america was pussy end of discussion.
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uhum except for the nukes that killed 180,000 people in japan, america is the only country to use nukes on another....
and what did the american president say at the time "this is the greatest monent in history"
Yea, well have you ever thought about what the war would have been like if we wouldnt have used nuclear weapons? You should.
Both sides would have lost hundreds of thousands if not millions of people both civilian and military people. It could have lasted for years, because japan had stated that they would never surrender. The united states would have began bombing major cities like tokyo, which would have devistated japan, and its economy. Because tokyo was back then and still is a major part of japan.
Basically it would have devistated both sides. So yea we killed 180,000.
But if we wouldnt have used the atomic bomb, 10x that number would have been dead. think about the big picture.
although i wouldnt have said "this is the greatest monent in history"
all i was saying is america has a history of using nukes and no else has. i agree dropping them probably saved more lives than they killed i even said that b4, but two wern't necessary either america had already flexed its muscle and shown what they were capable of, surrender was innevitable japan were doomed b4 the nukes were even dropped they just wouldn't accept defeat
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What are we waiting for?? The US has thousands and thousands of nuclear missles lying around...USE EM!!!
Fuck the Saudi's, fuck Al Quida...fuck em all. Nuke the arab bastards off the fucking map and be done with it.
Damn niga I'm feeling that. If I was in charge I would have killed them.