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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Smoke on June 20, 2004, 09:13:01 AM
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Before you start dissing me, take 2 mins to read the whole post and not only the title. I was watching the board this morning, and i was thinking about something. Just watch it. In the main page of the 'Train Of Thought' there are a lot of posts against America, Bush and Americans in general. Now i'm not American, i didnt vote for Bush and i aint in war with another country, so i dont really wanna make this post to defend someone. But to attack someone. Muslims. Not them all, obviously. I aint so un-educated and stupid to diss them all. I'm calling fake muslims out.
In the last weeks i've seen muslims killing Israeli soldiers and showing parts of their mutilated bodies on TV like a Champion's League Cup. Heads, hands, feet.. Thanking Allah. Other muslims in Iraq shooting execution stile an Italian civil thanking Allah and beheading an American civil showing his head on TV, worldwide. Thanking Allah. Other muslims in Saudi Arabia killing an Italian cook, thanking Allah. And beheading another US civil, always thanking Allah. "We fight for Islam", "We are fighting a saint war", "Fuck USA, Islam will make a revenge". Those ones are the quotes i'm reading in the newspapers. Israeli soldiers are bombing people in Palestina? Muslims are letting themselves and 20 other innocent civil go to hell with a bomb, in a restaurant or in a bus with children going to school. Why? Cause "Allah is with us!".
Damn. WTF?
When i look at the forum i see a lot of topics and posts made by Americans dissing America and Bush. Cause what they are doing is judged wrong. So hold on.. People from America are judging wrong what America is doing? And without talking about Jesus Christ, about God, about the Pope or about Churches? But just analyzing the things with no one manipulating them or telling them what's good or not? So the question is: why i see NO FUCKING TOPICS OR POSTS by muslims dissing those bastards who are killing innocent people and showing their heads on tv like if it's a Big Brother "Special Islam edition"? Why you are all the first to diss America and to talk about how bad they are when you never diss those bastards? Why Americans are so free and intelligent to say "We (Americans) the best!" when it's time to say it, and "Fuck that, we are doing a wrong thing!" when it's time to say it? (a lot of Americans are dissing Bush in the forum). But damn, where are the muslims dissing those bastards? Some of you dissed me because i like Jessica Alba but you never wrote those morons who kills in the name of Allah are wrong?
Isnt Islam supposed to be about FUCKING PEACE?
Where's the truth?
Do you agree with them? Or you dont? If you dont, why dont you make a topic about it? I'll fucking appreciate it and start respecting muslims again. Cause i know a lot of muslims in the real life, and i fucking appreciate them more than 90% of the ones in this forum never saying the truth and only dissing the "enemy", like they're playing Risiko. Prove me you dislike those things. Prove me you dislike beheading innocent people or shooting them in the head execution style. Dont reply with the typical: "What about Americans nuking hospitals?" shit. There are already 300 topics about it. Let's talk about those guys killing for Islam. Explain me what's really Islam. Explain me if Islam wants you to kill Americans. Explain me if it's right to say "Thank Allah, let's behead this bastard!". Explain me if you can use the evil done by other people as an excuse to the one you do. Damn me if i'll ever do it in my life. Think about it.
Thanx.
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well there are only a couple of muslims on this board as far as i know and they have comdem the methods used by terrorists just like people condem the methods of israeli and american armys. the more we go after the terrorists invading their countries, fucking with their ppl the more they hate us so more ppl support them. or maybe its a j curve effect where things get worse before they get better, however from what i have seen I can only see thing escalating from bad to worse westerns hate muslims more and more and they hate us more and more. If we changed our methods out there and not give them excuses to come after, support for terrorists would decrease its the only way i see things improving.
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There's reasoning behind why the Muslims in the Middle East hate Europeans and Americans and to an extent I would agree that they are brainwashed against all of them. I practice Islam and I condemn terrorism caused by Muslims and I also condemn intervention by the US in countries who are not asking for help (eg Iraq). But I would tend to agree with a lot of what you say.
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I mean i'm italian and Christian. I'll never in my life accept the mistakes done by the Roman Church against jews, against muslims during the Crusades, against poor people dying while the Popes where living in the richest place of the world. I'll never accept the manipulations done on the Bible by former Popes. I'll never ever justify the death of a man. I'll never ever use, like i wrote in the first post, the evil done by other people as an excuse to the one I do. I aint perfect. I do a lot of mistakes. But real christians never accepts people killing other people. I'm sure it's like that for Islam too. Maybe all the problem is there. People aint really listening to the Bible or to the Coran. In the past, Christians were used by the Pope who interpretated the Bible to give himself and the Church all the power they need. Now i see the same exact thing. Muslims being used by a few guys interpretating in the wrong way the Coran, trying to sell stupid ignorant people or 12 years old kids the lie that they can kill other people and go to Allah in Heaven. You muslim? Then be smart. Be intelligent. To kill somebody is ALWAYS wrong. No matter if it's an American or an Iraqi, Christian or Muslim. And to kill someone in the name of Allah is a diss to Islam.
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/me is waiting to see people call Antonio a racist even though he is damn right
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Antonio is the man.
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Yup, he's never said 1 thing I didn't agree with.
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Antonio and trauma are the few people i agree with in this board AC Grundy too but only in music
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Antonio, if your going to try to attempt to understand the dynamics of the Muslim world you must first learn a few things about Islam.
Killing in the name of Allah is not a "diss" to Islam, as you say. I don't know where you got that idea. In Islam, Muslims have the right to self-defense. Allah states in chapter 41:42(42:41) of the Noble Qu'ran, "Those who fight when oppressed incur no giult, but those who oppress will surely feel the wrath of Allah."
Antonio, you act outraged at a few beheadings of American's who are in Iraq either with the military or working to get at Iraq's oil and energy resources, but you are not outraged at the United States mass murdering 15,000 Iraqi's over the last year!!!!!!
How is this possible? I really don't understand. Do you think an Iraqi life is any less than an American life. You act as if you think one American life is equal to 5,000 dead Iraqi's. And don't forget, the American's are the one's who invaded, sabatoged, and devastated Iraq; they are now currently occupying Iraq and usurping Iraq's resources. So why are you outraged when there is one beheading yet you say nothing about 15,000 Iraqi's murdered? This makes no sense.
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Then you wanted to talk about Isreal and Palestine, Palestinians had dominated Isreal since the 9th century. Some 50 or so years ago, the United States drove 1 million (the number is now near 3 million) Palestinians from the land they've been on for 13,000 years and gave it to the Jews. The Jews have been killing Palestinians ever since and expanding their territory in a systematic genocide. Yet you are outraged at a few "suicide" bombers. This makes no sense. How can you think in this way?
It would be like if a few Native American Indians went and burnt down a pilgrim village and you were outraged, yet neglected to notice that Native American's have been virtually wiped off of their nation without apology.
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Explain me if you can use the evil done by other people as an excuse to the one you do.
It's called retaliation. If someone raped my daughter, I'd kill him. It's that simple. In my eyes, I wouldnt be less of a good person after doing it.
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^agreed^
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Antonio, if your going to try to attempt to understand the dynamics of the Muslim world you must first learn a few things about Islam.
Killing in the name of Allah is not a "diss" to Islam, as you say. I don't know where you got that idea. In Islam, Muslims have the right to self-defense. Allah states in chapter 41:42(42:41) of the Noble Qu'ran, "Those who fight when oppressed incur no giult, but those who oppress will surely feel the wrath of Allah."
Man when i say "it's a diss to Islam" i mean that to kill some1 in the name of Allah makes muslims looks like uncivilized animals in the eyes of western countries. Exactly like crusaders looked like killers and animals when they declared war to protect the Church's power. It's a diss to Islam means that if you do something as brutal as beheading a civil, or shooting an innocent 23 years old cook just cause he's italian, it will look like muslims are all brutals, with no heart, and they follow a religion who's based on blood and murders. It's a diss to Islam means that like that muslims will loose the respect they have from christians and moderated peoples in general. And about the quote you mentioned, does it mean you can use a civil to menace other countries (they menaced Italy to make a big manifestation against the war in Rome if we wanted them to save the lifes of 4 italian hostages. They shooted 1 in the head execution style cause we didnt). Does it mean you can behead an unstrapped guy or kill a cook who was in Saudi Arabia to get some money for his upcoming marriage and then show the murders in TV to get something in return? Does it mean, like i said, that you cant reply to the evil done by other people by using the same brutality against them? Cause if you can, then stop calling Islam a religion to obtain peace. If you can, Islam is the perfect religion for animals in a jungle.
Antonio, you act outraged at a few beheadings of American's who are in Iraq either with the military or working to get at Iraq's oil and energy resources, but you are not outraged at the United States mass murdering 15,000 Iraqi's over the last year!!!!!!
How is this possible? I really don't understand. Do you think an Iraqi life is any less than an American life. You act as if you think one American life is equal to 5,000 dead Iraqi's. And don't forget, the American's are the one's who invaded, sabatoged, and devastated Iraq; they are now currently occupying Iraq and usurping Iraq's resources. So why are you outraged when there is one beheading yet you say nothing about 15,000 Iraqi's murdered? This makes no sense.
This is exactly the answer i didnt want to read. Who told you I aint? I'm just talking about a whole different thing. If Americans did those things, they did it for money, basically. Or to protect themselves somehow. I dont care about this aspect right now (i'm not saying it's right to kill for money, dont get me wrong). I'm talking about MUSLIMS! About ISLAM. About the RELIGION. About ALLAH. About KILLING SOME1 IN THE NAME OF ALLAH. About this particular aspect. I'm not discussing about who's right and who's wrong in Iraq. I'm not saying an American life is more important than another life of a non-American kid (i aint even American). Only time could reply to your questions. And it will judge both Americans and Iraqi. What i wanna discuss now is the ipocricy of some muslims who accepts and celebrates the deaths of some innocent men. And yes, i care about Iraqi. Italians care about Iraqi. We've lost lifes without killing a single Iraqi. We got Italian Red Cross, Emercency, Civil Protection, Carabinieri, Police, doctors, volounteers.. We are there helping Iraqi and getting killed without shooting a single bullet. So dont use those arguments with me.
Then you wanted to talk about Isreal and Palestine, Palestinians had dominated Isreal since the 9th century. Some 50 or so years ago, the United States drove 1 million (the number is now near 3 million) Palestinians from the land they've been on for 13,000 years and gave it to the Jews. The Jews have been killing Palestinians ever since and expanding their territory in a systematic genocide. Yet you are outraged at a few "suicide" bombers. This makes no sense. How can you think in this way?
I never said it and i didnt want to talk about Israel and Palestine. I wanted to talk about a single aspect: the fact that i've seen on TV some Palestinians showing parts of the bodies of Israeli soldiers thanking Allah, praising Allah, menacing Israeli with the "power" of Allah.
(http://fc.retecivica.milano.it/rcmweb/iidp/Israele/News/Azioni%20militari/05066C27-000F4A4A.0/11052004_153914_0.gif?src=.PNG)
I'm not talking about the whole conflict. I dont care about this aspect right now.
It would be like if a few Native American Indians went and burnt down a pilgrim village and you were outraged, yet neglected to notice that Native American's have been virtually wiped off of their nation without apology.
Naw man. I've never seen some1 killing another man in the name of a God in the last 6 centuries. That's the point. How's your God? I just wanna know.
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Explain me if you can use the evil done by other people as an excuse to the one you do.
It's called retaliation. If someone raped my daughter, I'd kill him. It's that simple. In my eyes, I wouldnt be less of a good person after doing it.
I know it's called retaliation. I just didnt know Islam was such a religion who encouraged retaliating and hating other people. Now i know. Thanx.
P.S. Obviously now this one is just a provocation. That's the point of the whole topic. You just helped me. Since it's not like that, and i'm sure about it cause i know a lot of muslims, what i said is: "dont get manipulated!". YOU CANT. You cant if you christian, you cant if you muslim. 'Lincoln The Mental Traveller' understood this thing when i posted it. That's what i mean. I'm not saying it's good to declare war to Iraq or Palestina. I'm not saying Americans are right. I'm not saying christians are better. I'm just asking y'all to think about your own religion a lil bit. If you do, like 'Lincoln The Mental Traveller' did, you'll understand the point. Peace
Im sorry Antonio I accidently edited your post instead of quote it ... :/ I hope I fixed it right.
7even
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Explain me if you can use the evil done by other people as an excuse to the one you do.
It's called retaliation. If someone raped my daughter, I'd kill him. It's that simple. In my eyes, I wouldnt be less of a good person after doing it.
I know it's called retaliation. I just didnt know Islam was such a religion who encouraged retaliating and hating other people. Now i know. Thanx.
LoL first dont take me as a repper of Islam. Im an atheist born christian. btw you missed a few Bible quotes if violence in religion is new to you.
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P.S. Obviously now this one is just a provocation. That's the point of the whole topic. You just helped me. Since it's not like that, and i'm sure about it cause i know a lot of muslims, what i said is: "dont get manipulated!". YOU CANT. You cant if you christian, you cant if you muslim. 'Lincoln The Mental Traveller' understood this thing when i posted it. That's what i mean. I'm not saying it's good to declare war to Iraq or Palestina. I'm not saying Americans are right. I'm not saying christians are better. I'm just asking y'all to think about your own religion a lil bit. If you do, like 'Lincoln The Mental Traveller' did, you'll understand the point. Peace.
1. how did I help you? if so, youre welcome.
2. religion in general is for the weak-minded.
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Then you wanted to talk about Isreal and Palestine, Palestinians had dominated Isreal since the 9th century. Some 50 or so years ago, the United States drove 1 million (the number is now near 3 million) Palestinians from the land they've been on for 13,000 years and gave it to the Jews. The Jews have been killing Palestinians ever since and expanding their territory in a systematic genocide. Yet you are outraged at a few "suicide" bombers. This makes no sense. How can you think in this way?
It would be like if a few Native American Indians went and burnt down a pilgrim village and you were outraged, yet neglected to notice that Native American's have been virtually wiped off of their nation without apology.
this is a weak excuse...throughout history, people have conquered what land they could conquer and did what they wanted with it...and just because the United States is the most recent one to do this...they are evil? according to the bible, that land belonged to the Jews for thousands of years before it was the palestinians
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Antonio, Ibrahim explained to u the religious dynamic of this question u posed. I will seek to explain the political.
You have accepted this belief that because a few crazed Arabs dedicate a beheading to Allah, all Muslims systematically accept beheadings as a form of exression. Al Qaeda is a political enterprise as much as it is a religious one. It expresses as a stated intention, the over throw of corrupt regimes, morally bankrupt ones in their eyes. Thus, they speak for their own constituencies. Osama bi n Laden and his type do not speak for me or the majority of Muslims. Its that simple. It is incredibly ignorant of you to assume that 1.3 billion people in this world are represented by militants numbering no more than a few thousand.
People have mentioned Islamic insurgencies world wide. Every where, from Alegria to Chechnya to the Phillipines, the Islamic insurgents have all been Wahhabi/Salafists. These are an extreme fanatical version of Islam. Their complaints we Muslims as a whole share. We condemn American policies, we condemn Israel and we condemn and are against the perseqution and oppression of Muslims. But the majority of Muslims, Antonio I assure you do not view the beheading of random non Muslims as dignified, justified or Islamic.
Their is no worldwide Islamic condemnation of these practices for several reasons:
1. The lack of organization. Muslims in this world have no voice and we have our own corrupt political systems and leadership to thank for that.
You expect condemnation from us? This is unrealistic. Who do u expect it from? Our govts are not representative of the greater population. And us Muslims here in the TOT dont go OUT OF OUR WAY to condemn this because we dont believe in this simple as that. These people dont speak for us. To condemn this barbaric behaviour is human. Only those who believe this ideology would wholeheartedly support their measures.
2. We Muslims dont forget the cause of all this. We Muslims condemn the root of the problem before we condemn effects or actions occuring as a result of this problem. America needs to clean up its act before it asks us to. You confuse general Muslim anger (which 90% of the Muslim world feels. We are all brother.s This is why a Afghan Muslim from Toronto feels hate for those oppressing Palestinian Arabs.) with extremist expression of this anger tinged with political motives. Its not so black and white my friend.
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Then you wanted to talk about Isreal and Palestine, Palestinians had dominated Isreal since the 9th century. Some 50 or so years ago, the United States drove 1 million (the number is now near 3 million) Palestinians from the land they've been on for 13,000 years and gave it to the Jews. The Jews have been killing Palestinians ever since and expanding their territory in a systematic genocide. Yet you are outraged at a few "suicide" bombers. This makes no sense. How can you think in this way?
It would be like if a few Native American Indians went and burnt down a pilgrim village and you were outraged, yet neglected to notice that Native American's have been virtually wiped off of their nation without apology.
this is a weak excuse...throughout history, people have conquered what land they could conquer and did what they wanted with it...and just because the United States is the most recent one to do this...they are evil? according to the bible, that land belonged to the Jews for thousands of years before it was the palestinians
1. Just because for thousands of years land has been occupied, doesnt justify Israels actions. And it doesnt mean Palestinian should accept their occupation. You have lived a comfortable life and dont understand what Palestinians go through. You would like us to forget them and what Israel/America does to us and accept life and move on. This cannot be done.
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this is a weak excuse...throughout history, people have conquered what land they could conquer and did what they wanted with it...and just because the United States is the most recent one to do this...they are evil? according to the bible, that land belonged to the Jews for thousands of years before it was the palestinians
As a Native, I understand the comparision, because I've been told that whites took over because of the Lords will. Now I personally want that subject killed, because that's a whole different thread all together.
Let's get on to this. I understand what Anthonio is saying. As an American, I don't try to judge the Muslims, because that's not my field. I am an American so I watch what we do. I don't want us to get into things we don't need to. What the Muslims do, I watch that, but I don't judge them, because I am not one to judge. I watch us, because I hope we carry ourselves with respect around the world.
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7even the Harbinger you aint getting it but you are helping me a lot explaining my points :)
LoL first dont take me as a repper of Islam. Im an atheist born christian. btw you missed a few Bible quotes if violence in religion is new to you.
Perfect. Stop here. Wonderful point. See that's what i'm talking about. This is the problem. Christianity is AGAINST violence. For sure there are quotes who looks like God supports violence, but He doesnt. Only if you manipulate the Bible or if you dont ask the help of a Priest, or the Pope, you can make this mistake. So the point is: you all muslims listen to your Imam's (spelled?): they are against terrorism, against murderers, against violence. If you want, you can make the Bible looks like a war book, with beheaded people, violence, horror, revenge, brutatily. It aint. You have to loook throught it to get the real message of it. With the help of the Pope and the Priests. And it's the same with Islam.
2. religion in general is for the weak-minded.
But when it's used as an excuse to kill other people it's not for weak-minded people, but for deviated people who kills other people thinking they can.
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isnt it "hypocrisy" or somethin like that..
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Antonio, Ibrahim explained to u the religious dynamic of this question u posed. I will seek to explain the political.
You have accepted this belief that because a few crazed Arabs dedicate a beheading to Allah, all Muslims systematically accept beheadings as a form of exression. Al Qaeda is a political enterprise as much as it is a religious one. It expresses as a stated intention, the over throw of corrupt regimes, morally bankrupt ones in their eyes. Thus, they speak for their own constituencies. Osama bi n Laden and his type do not speak for me or the majority of Muslims. Its that simple. It is incredibly ignorant of you to assume that 1.3 billion people in this world are represented by militants numbering no more than a few thousand.
People have mentioned Islamic insurgencies world wide. Every where, from Alegria to Chechnya to the Phillipines, the Islamic insurgents have all been Wahhabi/Salafists. These are an extreme fanatical version of Islam. Their complaints we Muslims as a whole share. We condemn American policies, we condemn Israel and we condemn and are against the perseqution and oppression of Muslims. But the majority of Muslims, Antonio I assure you do not view the beheading of random non Muslims as dignified, justified or Islamic.
Their is no worldwide Islamic condemnation of these practices for several reasons:
1. The lack of organization. Muslims in this world have no voice and we have our own corrupt political systems and leadership to thank for that.
You expect condemnation from us? This is unrealistic. Who do u expect it from? Our govts are not representative of the greater population. And us Muslims here in the TOT dont go OUT OF OUR WAY to condemn this because we dont believe in this simple as that. These people dont speak for us. To condemn this barbaric behaviour is human. Only those who believe this ideology would wholeheartedly support their measures.
2. We Muslims dont forget the cause of all this. We Muslims condemn the root of the problem before we condemn effects or actions occuring as a result of this problem. America needs to clean up its act before it asks us to. You confuse general Muslim anger (which 90% of the Muslim world feels. We are all brother.s This is why a Afghan Muslim from Toronto feels hate for those oppressing Palestinian Arabs.) with extremist expression of this anger tinged with political motives. Its not so black and white my friend.
Thanx for the reply. But i never assumed that because a few crazed Arabs dedicate a beheading to Allah, all Muslims systematically accept beheadings as a form of exression. Maybe my english wasnt correct enought. In real life i know a lot of muslims. They regret those things, and i appreciate them. I was talking about this forum, not about all the 1.3 billions muslims of the World. Mine is just a provocation, man. I want to discuss about this thing, about the religious and political aspect of some murders in the name of Allah. That's all. I aint condamning Islam (the Church did the same). I just wanna know something more, without dissing each other's like we usually do in the other topics of the forum, and trying to understanding something from your prospective. Pz.
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Blowing some1 into dust...chopping their head off.
Same thing :)
Money hungry Italian spies deserve to die.
Any foreign person working for/with the enemy is an enemy.
Muslims are dying for their religion like any Christan would. Their demands are simple leave Saudi Arabia/stop supporting Israel.
lol@religion...Bush Jr. thinks he's a crusader ;D
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Money hungry Italian spies deserve to die.
Any foreign person working for/with the enemy is an enemy.
Muslims are dying for their religion like any Christan would. Their demands are simple leave Saudi Arabia/stop supporting Israel.
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The civils were on vacation right ;D during a war.
Oh no not an Italian cook...they don't want you there.
Is that so hard to understand.
Christian lied about faith to survive Saudi siege [read]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1145180/posts (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1145180/posts)
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7even the Harbinger you aint getting it but you are helping me a lot explaining my points :)
LoL first dont take me as a repper of Islam. Im an atheist born christian. btw you missed a few Bible quotes if violence in religion is new to you.
Perfect. Stop here. Wonderful point. See that's what i'm talking about. This is the problem. Christianity is AGAINST violence. For sure there are quotes who looks like God supports violence, but He doesnt. Only if you manipulate the Bible or if you dont ask the help of a Priest, or the Pope, you can make this mistake. So the point is: you all muslims listen to your Imam's (spelled?): they are against terrorism, against murderers, against violence. If you want, you can make the Bible looks like a war book, with beheaded people, violence, horror, revenge, brutatily. It aint. You have to loook throught it to get the real message of it. With the help of the Pope and the Priests. And it's the same with Islam.
no doubt terroristic muslims pervert their religion. Ive never denied that. bush does it too.
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Then you wanted to talk about Isreal and Palestine, Palestinians had dominated Isreal since the 9th century. Some 50 or so years ago, the United States drove 1 million (the number is now near 3 million) Palestinians from the land they've been on for 13,000 years and gave it to the Jews. The Jews have been killing Palestinians ever since and expanding their territory in a systematic genocide. Yet you are outraged at a few "suicide" bombers. This makes no sense. How can you think in this way?
It would be like if a few Native American Indians went and burnt down a pilgrim village and you were outraged, yet neglected to notice that Native American's have been virtually wiped off of their nation without apology.
this is a weak excuse...throughout history, people have conquered what land they could conquer and did what they wanted with it...and just because the United States is the most recent one to do this...they are evil? according to the bible, that land belonged to the Jews for thousands of years before it was the palestinians
1. if you go by the principe that you can conquer land randomly because youre stronger, you are plain insane. it's like I can punch the shit out of you because Im stronger. lolol. unbelieveable.
2. according to the bible, the land belongs to the jews? oh my god. it's 2004. good god. I cant believe you wrote that. fuck the bible.. you cant take other ppl's land because some weeded ppl wrote the land belongs to the jews over 2000 years ago.
what would you say if some dudes come with tanks and machine rifles to your neighborhood killing everybody that doesnt leave and conquer the land because they believe in the story of an imagined figure.. let's called him Gord... gave the land your house is standin on to them a few 1000 years ago.
aw man. this justification is so undescribeable childish, naive, insane and moronic that you can hardly believe ppl taking it serious. those ppl need to check themselves.
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no doubt terroristic muslims pervert their religion. Ive never denied that. bush does it too.
Bush? Naw. The Pope was and still is against the war. Bush is nobody, talking about Christian religion.
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no doubt terroristic muslims pervert their religion. Ive never denied that. bush does it too.
Bush? Naw. The Pope was and still is against the war. Bush is nobody, talking about Christian religion.
so random terrorists are somebody? are bigger than bush? hm...
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Then you wanted to talk about Isreal and Palestine, Palestinians had dominated Isreal since the 9th century. Some 50 or so years ago, the United States drove 1 million (the number is now near 3 million) Palestinians from the land they've been on for 13,000 years and gave it to the Jews. The Jews have been killing Palestinians ever since and expanding their territory in a systematic genocide. Yet you are outraged at a few "suicide" bombers. This makes no sense. How can you think in this way?
It would be like if a few Native American Indians went and burnt down a pilgrim village and you were outraged, yet neglected to notice that Native American's have been virtually wiped off of their nation without apology.
this is a weak excuse...throughout history, people have conquered what land they could conquer and did what they wanted with it...and just because the United States is the most recent one to do this...they are evil? according to the bible, that land belonged to the Jews for thousands of years before it was the palestinians
1. if you go by the principe that you can conquer land randomly because youre stronger, you are plain insane. it's like I can punch the shit out of you because Im stronger. lolol. unbelieveable.
2. according to the bible, the land belongs to the jews? oh my god. it's 2004. good god. I cant believe you wrote that. fuck the bible.. you cant take other ppl's land because some weeded ppl wrote the land belongs to the jews over 2000 years ago.
what would you say if some dudes come with tanks and machine rifles to your neighborhood killing everybody that doesnt leave and conquer the land because they believe in the story of an imagined figure.. let's called him Gord... gave the land your house is standin on to them a few 1000 years ago.
aw man. this justification is so undescribeable childish, naive, insane and moronic that you can hardly believe ppl taking it serious. those ppl need to check themselves.
so with your own reasoning, the land should stay with the jewish peope because it's stupid to conquer land and it's stupid to reclaim land that was once yours.... thanks for seeing things my way ;D
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smerlus... try to make sense instead of random-talk. some ppl actually prefer that ;)
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maybe u guys shud read this article
Arab press defiant on al-Qaeda
The Arabic press has been reflecting on the recent al-Qaeda attacks on western civilians and journalists in Saudi Arabia.
Saudi papers in particular are defiant, with one saying the killings are being carried out by "deviants" with a "malicious disease".
Another daily warns that the militants are in for the long haul and says they will be difficult to defeat.
The perverted acts and terrorist operations being carried out by deviants in this country, even if they are carried out by some sons of this nation, represent a malicious disease.
Saudi Ukaz
No-one knows what is in the minds of those addicted to cold blooded murder. Their evil terrorist acts have added to the negative portrayal of Arabs and Muslims in the whole world.
Saudi al-Jazirah
These [terrorist] organisations... are currently being pursued intensely in Saudi Arabia. It might take a long time but... defeating evil will remain a priority.
Saudi al-Riyadh
The violence and terrorist operations that have been taking place in Saudi Arabia for days, weeks and months confirm once again that the phenomenon of terrorism is not in any way caused by Arabs and Muslims, as is being reported and promoted by a section of the international media. Stopping terrorism will not be possible unless there is widespread co-operation between the countries of the world, including the Gulf and Middle East states. The priority should be to extinguish the large fire which is consuming the whole world, and which is caused by the occupation of Iraq and Israel's aggression.
Egypt's al-Ahram
It is impossible for those whose hands have been soiled by the blood of innocents to be propagators of truth and jihad, as they claim. They are propagators of falsehood, destruction and havoc.
UAE's al-Bayan
We are now seeing terrorism in a new phase, using the media in terrorist crimes in Saudi Arabia... Kidnapping hundreds or killing thousands of people will not defeat a regime and the terrorists know it very well. But they want to make terrorism's effects deep and difficult to overcome.
London-based al-Sharq al-Awsat
Security measures might bring some successes, but this can only be limited as the problem has political, economic and social aspects.
London-based al-Quds al-Arabi
These days al-Qaeda is concentrating its operations in Saudi Arabia... with the aim of chasing out all the "infidels" from the kingdom. Their actions are actually an obvious invitation to the "infidels" to come and intervene under the pretext of protecting their oil supplies. Is this possible intervention another fishy concurrence between al-Qaeda and the extremist neo-conservatives in the Bush Administration?
Jordan's al-Dustur
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smerlus... try to make sense instead of random-talk. some ppl actually prefer that ;)
i used your own reasoning...
you said you can't take over people
s land by force because it's not right...and i don't see the jewish people just walking out of there
then you said just because something says the land is theres doesn't make it right to take the people's land...so there goes palistines claim to it
it's not my fault you talked yourself into a corner....try being smarter with what you say next time
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jews were wiped out in all parts of the world, that's nothing new.
lol palistines claim does not go away.. simply cause they are livin there ...
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no doubt terroristic muslims pervert their religion. Ive never denied that. bush does it too.
Bush? Naw. The Pope was and still is against the war. Bush is nobody, talking about Christian religion.
so random terrorists are somebody? are bigger than bush? hm...
Now that's a good reply! No they aint. So let's stop talking about Allah and Islam when we see beheaded people and civils killed. Or, even if they do, let's just ignore them. They killers, not saints or martyrs. I made the topic to defend Islam from stupid muslims in the eyes of a common non-muslim 24 years old guy. Next time we will chat about stupid Christians making a bad image of Christianity (and i can write 2-3 pages about it).