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Title: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literature
Post by: infinite59 on August 09, 2002, 08:42:29 PM
Shakespeare is wack.  He's been glorified like no other, but I don't see anything special or unique about him.  Maybe it's because the language was different back then, but they were always trying to shove that wack shit in my face in school and I wasn't having it.  And people act like they still like him today, I don't get it.  Peace.
Title: Re: Shakespeare is wack as hell
Post by: The Big Bad Ass on August 09, 2002, 09:24:18 PM
I agree. His stuff never really impressed me in HS.
Title: Re: Shakespeare is wack as hell
Post by: MidnightPills on August 10, 2002, 12:36:04 AM
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Shakespeare is wack.  He's been glorified like no other, but I don't see anything special or unique about him.  Maybe it's because the language was different back then, but they were always trying to shove that wack shit in my face in school and I wasn't having it.  And people act like they still like him today, I don't get it.  Peace.

no offense to you... but i notice your dislike anything or anyone with the intellegence you lack!! ...... try reading some of his work.. and feel the emotions that he displays in his work..... shakespeare actually put him self in his characters.... or can you read??

Title: Re: Shakespeare is wack as hell
Post by: Liquid-Dogg on August 10, 2002, 10:30:05 AM
/\ word. i don't think that over 40 million people can be wrong in thinkin that he's a good writer. jus cuz u don't understand/like it, doesn't mean he's shit. and remember times change!
Title: Re: Shakespeare is wack as hell
Post by: Sikotic™ on August 10, 2002, 10:36:56 AM
Maybe because over the years, so many people have sampled and copied off his original ideas that they don't seem so original anymore. Think about it like that.
Title: Re: Shakespeare is wack as hell
Post by: ROCCY on August 10, 2002, 10:40:13 AM
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Maybe because over the years, so many people have sampled and copied off his original ideas that they don't seem so original anymore. Think about it like that.



^^
Title: Re: Shakespeare is wack as hell
Post by: Jay ay Beee on August 10, 2002, 10:44:56 AM
Infinite you need to open your horizons man.  

You made that EMBARASSING thread in the main forum a while back about classical music being shit and Beethoven and Mozart being overated, you said that The Eminem Show was "the greatest album ever made", and now your saying the most popular writer of all time is "wack".  

You have come to this conclusion because:

1) You don't like being told what to do, especially by teachers, so you naturally find nearly anything they recommend or endorse crap.

2) You don't like anything endorsed by the 'establishment'.

3) Trauma likes Shakespeare.

4) Shakespeare did nothing to stop the slave trade/racism etc. (lol)

Stop trying to bring down anything you don't like.






Title: Re: Shakespeare is wack as hell
Post by: ROCCY on August 10, 2002, 10:54:25 AM
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Infinite you need to open your horizons man.  

You made that EMBARASSING thread in the main forum a while back about classical music being shit and Beethoven and Mozart being overated, you said that The Eminem Show was "the greatest album ever made", and now your saying the most popular writer of all time is "wack".  

You have come to this conclusion because:

1) You don't like being told what to do, especially by teachers, so you naturally find nearly anything they recommend or endorse crap.

2) You don't like anything endorsed by the 'establishment'.

3) Trauma likes Shakespeare.

4) Shakespeare did nothing to stop the slave trade/racism etc. (lol)

Stop trying to bring down anything you don't like.








Yo calm down dogg. Its just HIS opinion. Everyones got diffrent Opinions. pz
Title: Re: Shakespeare is wack as hell
Post by: bez on August 10, 2002, 10:56:11 AM
I dont mind him.  Hes the fuckin man!!!!
Title: Re: Shakespeare is wack as hell
Post by: Jay ay Beee on August 10, 2002, 11:08:45 AM
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Its just HIS opinion.



Exactly.


Title: Re: Shakespeare is wack as hell
Post by: Liquid-Dogg on August 10, 2002, 11:10:55 AM
i agree with Jay.

ignorance
Title: Re: Shakespeare is wack as hell
Post by: Suga Foot on August 10, 2002, 11:17:55 AM
A lot of sayings that you probably use are from shakespeare.  


btw, in Romeo & Juliet, there is a line that goes:

"Fetch my longsword ho"

shit had me rollin in the 10th grade.
Title: Re: Shakespeare is wack as hell
Post by: infinite59 on August 10, 2002, 11:27:02 AM
I'm not just gonna automatically say he's great because that's what I was taught in school.  Fuck that, they taught me alot of things that were bullshit, how come I only started learning anything when I got out of school?  What did he write about that was controversial, I think he was spineless, writing about love, that's a played out topic, he's the NSync of writing.
Title: Re: Shakespeare is wack as hell
Post by: bez on August 10, 2002, 11:29:16 AM
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A lot of sayings that you probably use are from shakespeare.  


btw, in Romeo & Juliet, there is a line that goes:

"Fetch my longsword ho"


LOL DAM!OLO

FUNNY AS FCUK
shit had me rollin in the 10th grade.

Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Sikotic™ on August 10, 2002, 11:44:34 AM
He wrote about more than love (love is never a played out topic IMO). What made it so special was the way he expressed his feelings using the English language. Its in old english so it's hard to understand, but when it's translated it is great.
Title: Re: Shakespeare is wack as hell
Post by: Liquid-Dogg on August 10, 2002, 11:50:54 AM
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I'm not just gonna automatically say he's great because that's what I was taught in school.  Fuck that, they taught me alot of things that were bullshit, how come I only started learning anything when I got out of school?  What did he write about that was controversial, I think he was spineless, writing about love, that's a played out topic, he's the NSync of writing.


callin him spineless, and sayin that he didn't write anything controvercial is a bit (VERY) ignorant and a very arrogant way too look at it. have u ever read one of his books (in ur own time) and do u know ANYTHINg about him. probably not cuz u didn't listen in class, or jus don't know. so b4 u start judgin him. actually get to know his shit first.

how would u like it if i said that eminem was shit cuz all he does is rap. lol. and if ur gonna be even more arrogant and say that it doesn't bother u, then either u wrong. or i jus said a bad example. but anyway. i think that the majority or 'intelligent' people would dissagree with u on this point
Title: Re: Shakespeare is wack as hell
Post by: infinite59 on August 10, 2002, 12:50:26 PM
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callin him spineless, and sayin that he didn't write anything controvercial is a bit (VERY) ignorant and a very arrogant way too look at it. have u ever read one of his books (in ur own time) and do u know ANYTHINg about him. probably not cuz u didn't listen in class, or jus don't know. so b4 u start judgin him. actually get to know his shit first.

how would u like it if i said that eminem was shit cuz all he does is rap. lol. and if ur gonna be even more arrogant and say that it doesn't bother u, then either u wrong. or i jus said a bad example. but anyway. i think that the majority or 'intelligent' people would dissagree with u on this point


People agree with me but they're afraid sounding "unintelligent"
Title: Re: Shakespeare is wack as hell
Post by: Woodrow on August 10, 2002, 01:28:43 PM
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People agree with me but they're afraid sounding "unintelligent"


No...

millions and millions of people disagree with you.
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Maestro Minded on August 10, 2002, 01:42:17 PM
Shakespeare: I Dont Have Enough Knowledge To State An Opinion..

Beatles: Honestly: They Aint A Shit
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Jay ay Beee on August 11, 2002, 05:18:37 AM
lol @ I-Bo
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: infinite59 on August 11, 2002, 08:21:13 AM
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Beatles: Honestly: They Aint A Shit

Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Jay ay Beee on August 11, 2002, 10:01:13 AM
Why aren't they?
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: infinite59 on August 11, 2002, 10:30:46 AM
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Why aren't they?


they're soft
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: HBKid_Jr on August 11, 2002, 10:32:37 AM
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they're soft

so every1 has to be hard
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Jay ay Beee on August 11, 2002, 10:37:10 AM
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Why does all music have to be hard to be good in your mind?

And literature for that matter.
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: infinite59 on August 11, 2002, 10:50:33 AM
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Word

Why does all music have to be hard to be good in your mind?

And literature for that matter.


Mass Media always tries to pump up the soft, non-threatening ish, but any form of music that does not challenge the mind of the listener, any form of expression that overcompromises itself, becomes soft, spineless.
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Woodrow on August 11, 2002, 11:00:32 AM
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Mass Media always tries to pump up the soft, non-threatening ish, but any form of music that does not challenge the mind of the listener, any form of expression that overcompromises itself, becomes soft, spineless.


Man, Don't you ever just want to sit down, enjoy the company of friends, and not have to worry about the Message music is getting across?
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Sikotic™ on August 11, 2002, 11:26:44 AM
What kind of music do you consider "spineless"?
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: infinite59 on August 11, 2002, 11:35:51 AM
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Man, Don't you ever just want to sit down, read a book and not have to worry about the Message music is getting across?


yeah, gangsta rap shit, I don't have to think or anything, I just lay back my seat in my ride, bump that shit full blast, and let my mind and conscience go free.
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Jay ay Beee on August 11, 2002, 11:37:59 AM
I think you'll find you can't read Doggystyle.
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Liquid-Dogg on August 11, 2002, 11:42:31 AM
modern civilisation has meant that we don't have to be 'hard' anymore to survive. now it's about intelligence, and gangsta rap (as much as i know u'll dissagree) is a bunch of thick bastards talkin about how they gonna 'smoke' the next fool. when really 95% are all talk, and don't actually carry out the shit they say on wax!!!

like i said on aim, ur the kind of guy that beleives EVERYTHIN ras kass says. and likes to think everythin u were taught in school is wrong. basically ur like a 13 year old wanting to rebel against everythin/everyone.
shit ain't like that!
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Instant_Killa on August 11, 2002, 12:23:10 PM
yall should check that video of mell gibson explaining and interprating Hamlet, thats pretty interesting.

Shakespear seems boring to me, however, if you look a little deeperin into some of his works....then u find it interesting..but u need to look deeper( thats the hard part)

i liked MAcbeth, that was my fav play

peace
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: bez on August 11, 2002, 01:06:33 PM
Dont skit the beatles, my own home town buddies.  They rock, they changed the way music was to be made and I think there record sales prove that. PEACE
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Ant on August 12, 2002, 06:28:07 AM
i havent read much skakespeare, but i kinda liked what i did read..

i read julius caesar and hamlet...

hamlet was definitly enjoyable to read i thought... julius casear didnt have my attention that much but i didnt like most books i read when i was in HS

i dunno what your problem is man.. well i do but its sad you have it... stop being such an attention craver... u say ur open minded you write posts like ur 13... u say u attack the idea but u attack it like an ignorant fool all u can say is fuck this fuck that....

whatever ur annoying...

and the beatles i also dont know too much about but i do know that DJ Quik Sampled them and so did knocturnal, eminem, calvin richardson, and thats just off the lil i know about them...

quik and eminem sampled 50 ways to leave your lover by paul mccartney....

and mj and paul mccartney made 2 pretty good songs together that i happen to like a lot... the girl is mine, and say say say
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Trauma-san on August 12, 2002, 04:19:55 PM
Infinite, again, you have said one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard.  I can't believe you're so blind.  

Shakespeare was wack? hahaha.  All he wrote about was love? hahahaha.  Have you read ANY of his plays?  Good GOD you've got to be kidding me.  Read Romeo & Juliet.  On the surface, it's just a love story, right?  But it's also about two feuding families, and how they won't let their children associate with each other.  Sounds just like Palestine/Israel.  Read McBeth, and... oh, forget it.  You're just ignorant. One day when you're 50 , you'll read some shakespeare, and feel like an ass.

The Beatles invented rap.  Simple as that.  You wouldn't even HAVE music today if it wasn't for the beatles, everything would be blues or old school country.  The beatles were the ones with the balls to change music into expressing emotion and telling stories.  John lennon recorded the first ever diss song.  McCartney was the first to loop a drumbeat.  McCArtney pioneered Bass on recordings, before he complained about it, you couldn't even hear bass on recordings... he lowered the boom, it would have been impossible for rap to even exist without bass.  John Lennon had the first rapped/rhymed vocals ever.  Lennon had the first Distorted vocals ever on a track.  Paul was the first artist to play keyboards on an album.  George Harrison invented the Wah Guitar that made Funk.  Come on.  Tell me you're kidding me, saying the Beatles are wack.  Did I mention the beatles Pioneered Sampling?  Or that they were the first to do extensive multi-tracking, layering music together?  You should be ashamed of yourself.  
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Liquid-Dogg on August 12, 2002, 06:41:44 PM
SHIT ON ONCES AGAIN INFINITY :D
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Trauma-san on August 12, 2002, 07:29:11 PM
I feel Like Ali going all out on a sparring partner.  Maybe we should dig up that Freestyle I ripped Infinite's ass on that time he called me out.  He keeps it up, and every time, I come out an inch taller and a whole lot swoller.
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: bez on August 13, 2002, 07:07:36 AM
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Infinite, again, you have said one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard.  I can't believe you're so blind.  

Shakespeare was wack? hahaha.  All he wrote about was love? hahahaha.  Have you read ANY of his plays?  Good GOD you've got to be kidding me.  Read Romeo & Juliet.  On the surface, it's just a love story, right?  But it's also about two feuding families, and how they won't let their children associate with each other.  Sounds just like Palestine/Israel.  Read McBeth, and... oh, forget it.  You're just ignorant. One day when you're 50 , you'll read some shakespeare, and feel like an ass.

The Beatles invented rap.  Simple as that.  You wouldn't even HAVE music today if it wasn't for the beatles, everything would be blues or old school country.  The beatles were the ones with the balls to change music into expressing emotion and telling stories.  John lennon recorded the first ever diss song.  McCartney was the first to loop a drumbeat.  McCArtney pioneered Bass on recordings, before he complained about it, you couldn't even hear bass on recordings... he lowered the boom, it would have been impossible for rap to even exist without bass.  John Lennon had the first rapped/rhymed vocals ever.  Lennon had the first Distorted vocals ever on a track.  Paul was the first artist to play keyboards on an album.  George Harrison invented the Wah Guitar that made Funk.  Come on.  Tell me you're kidding me, saying the Beatles are wack.  Did I mention the beatles Pioneered Sampling?  Or that they were the first to do extensive multi-tracking, layering music together?  You should be ashamed of yourself.  


I am proud to call you a friend!!!
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: infinite59 on August 13, 2002, 07:37:58 AM
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Infinite, again, you have said one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard.  I can't believe you're so blind.  

Shakespeare was wack? hahaha.  All he wrote about was love? hahahaha.  Have you read ANY of his plays?  Good GOD you've got to be kidding me.  Read Romeo & Juliet.  On the surface, it's just a love story, right?  But it's also about two feuding families, and how they won't let their children associate with each other.  Sounds just like Palestine/Israel.  Read McBeth, and... oh, forget it.  You're just ignorant. One day when you're 50 , you'll read some shakespeare, and feel like an ass.

The Beatles invented rap.  Simple as that.  You wouldn't even HAVE music today if it wasn't for the beatles, everything would be blues or old school country.  The beatles were the ones with the balls to change music into expressing emotion and telling stories.  John lennon recorded the first ever diss song.  McCartney was the first to loop a drumbeat.  McCArtney pioneered Bass on recordings, before he complained about it, you couldn't even hear bass on recordings... he lowered the boom, it would have been impossible for rap to even exist without bass.  John Lennon had the first rapped/rhymed vocals ever.  Lennon had the first Distorted vocals ever on a track.  Paul was the first artist to play keyboards on an album.  George Harrison invented the Wah Guitar that made Funk.  Come on.  Tell me you're kidding me, saying the Beatles are wack.  Did I mention the beatles Pioneered Sampling?  Or that they were the first to do extensive multi-tracking, layering music together?  You should be ashamed of yourself.  


Good argument.  You brought up some good points.
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Jay ay Beee on August 13, 2002, 08:56:51 AM
lol

You admitted Trauma kicked your ass
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: bez on August 13, 2002, 10:03:12 AM
lololo
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: grimace on August 13, 2002, 01:29:01 PM
I respect your opinion Infinite, but you seem to be lacking the knowledge in the subject. The reason Romeo & Juliet is seen as the greatest love story of all time is because it doesn't have a happy ending, much like how love is like in real life.


Also, much of Shakespeare's plays were NOT about love. Tell me the love story in Ceaser. Hell, in Taming of the Shrew, there's an underlying message that the best wife is the one kept in check.

Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: infinite59 on August 13, 2002, 09:02:42 PM
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lol

You admitted Trauma kicked your ass


Some people you can't win with.  Jay is another one of those people.  I even tell Trauma he brought up good points about the Beatles and Shakespeare and Jay still wants more from me.  I can't win with you, so your the type of person I would stay away from in life, unless I was forced to be around you like in a job, etc.
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: infinite59 on August 13, 2002, 09:04:51 PM
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I respect your opinion Infinite, but you seem to be lacking the knowledge in the subject. The reason Romeo & Juliet is seen as the greatest love story of all time is because it doesn't have a happy ending, much like how love is like in real life.


Also, much of Shakespeare's plays were NOT about love. Tell me the love story in Ceaser. Hell, in Taming of the Shrew, there's an underlying message that the best wife is the one kept in check.



I respect your opinion on the subject, but the Taming the Shrew thing you mentioned still falls under relationships, but still I respect your opinion.
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: DreSnoop00 on August 13, 2002, 09:14:39 PM
I myself didn't like readin shakespear but I learned to understand why he was suc ha great writer,....a lot of people dont undertsand those old words he used so a lot of us dunno what the fuck he is meaning lol....but in his words he does mean things...and they can be very deep and emotional..i learned some from ny english teacher this past year..his stories did take a lot of hard dedicated work...to me its not wack at all...its different because i'm not used to his ways of saying things so I can't relate...but after translated and finding out...u see how good he was/
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Trauma-san on August 14, 2002, 05:23:35 PM
Here's some great Shakespearean Quotes, I'm in a shakespeare mood now.  This guy was a genius... honestly, a straight up genius.  Without a doubt, the greatest writer to ever live, some of this stuff is just straight beautiful.  He sounds like a mixture of John Kennedy, Martin Luther King, and Jesus Christ.  

"To thine own self be true" - Hamlet

"We know what we are, but know not what we may become" - Hamlet

By the pricking of my thumbs, Something wicked this way comes." - Macbeth

"How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world!"

"I could confine myself to a nutshell and declare myself king of infinity" - Hamlet (The G of G's)

If music be the food of love, play on." - twelfth night

There is no good, or bad, but thinking makes it so. " - Hamlet

"Et tu, Brute?" - Julius Caesar (The last words of Caesar, "And you too, Brutus?")

"We are such stuff as dreams are made on" - The Tempest

"The more fool,Madonna,to mourn for your brother's soul,being in heaven." - Twelfth Night

"A horse! My kingdom for a horse" - Richard III

"Cowards die many times before their deaths. The valiant never taste of death but once." - Julius Ceasar (Wow, that's true)

"Away! You are an ass; you are an ass." - Much ado about nothing (Shakespeare meets Infinite)

"Be not afraid of greatness: some are born great, some achieve greatness and some have greatness thrusted upon them." - Twelfth Night

Ophelia: "'Tis brief my lord." Hamlet: "As woman's love."" - Hamlet

Out damned spot, out I say!" - Macbeth (Macbeth, haunted by the thought of blood on his hands after murder)

"For in that sleep of death, What dreams may come when we Have shuffled off this mortal coil, May give us pause." - Hamlet

"Lord, what fools these mortals be!" - A Midsummer Night's Dream

And of course, Hamlet's Famous Soliloquy.  Infinite, you're pretty 'complicated', right? (LOL) then how can totally dismiss something as complicated as this:
    "To be, or not to be: that is the question:
     Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
     The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
     Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
     And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep;
     No more; and by a sleep to say we end
     The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
     That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation
     Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
     To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
     For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
     When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
     Must give us pause: there's the respect
     That makes calamity of so long life;
     For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
     The oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
     The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
     The insolence of office and the spurns
     That patient merit of the unworthy takes,
     When he himself might his quietus make
     With a bare bodkin? who would fardels bear,
     To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
     But that the dread of something after death,
     The undiscover'd country from whose bourn
     No traveller returns, puzzles the will
     And makes us rather bear those ills we have
     Than fly to others that we know not of?
     Thus conscience does make cowards of us all;
     And thus the native hue of resolution
     Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
     And enterprises of great pitch and moment
     With this regard their currents turn awry,
     And lose the name of action.-- Soft you now!
     The fair Ophelia! Nymph, in thy orisons
     Be all my sins remember'd."

     William Shakespeare
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: bLaDe on August 14, 2002, 09:32:04 PM
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"Away! You are an ass; you are an ass." - Much ado about nothing (Shakespeare meets Infinite)


LMFAO, i just found that hillarious

 -{bLaDe}
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Maestro Minded on August 16, 2002, 10:46:22 PM
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Dont skit the beatles, my own home town buddies.  They rock, they changed the way music was to be made and I think there record sales prove that. PEACE


biritney spears, n'sync, backstreet boys etc etc also "changed the game" .. i think "their record sales proved it"  ::)
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Maestro Minded on August 16, 2002, 10:49:06 PM
and why dont i think that Beatles were "superb" ??

it was to much pop for me.. Beatles are the early generation of pop-bands... backstreet boys is the next generation
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: HBKid_Jr on August 17, 2002, 06:12:39 AM
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and why dont i think that Beatles were "superb" ??

it was to much pop for me.. Beatles are the early generation of pop-bands... backstreet boys is the next generation

no.  the differencer between tha beatles an pop groups of 2day r,  tha beatles actually played there own instruments,  wrote there own music.  
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Maestro Minded on August 17, 2002, 09:21:31 AM
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no.  the differencer between tha beatles an pop groups of 2day r,  tha beatles actually played there own instruments,  wrote there own music.  


shakira writes her own music...
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Jay ay Beee on August 17, 2002, 09:25:45 AM
^
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So?
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Maestro Minded on August 17, 2002, 12:34:58 PM
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^
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So?


if beatles are good because they writes their ow lyrics, so is Shakira...
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Jay ay Beee on August 18, 2002, 01:17:37 AM
So all the keystylers who write their own lyrics are as good as the Beatles?

Good one man

::)
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Maestro Minded on August 18, 2002, 03:10:12 AM
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So all the keystylers who write their own lyrics are as good as the Beatles?

Good one man

::)


i was about the say that... 50'000 rappers gotta be as dope as beatles, cuz they write their own shit  ::)
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: infinite59 on August 18, 2002, 07:09:06 AM
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So all the keystylers who write their own lyrics are as good as the Beatles?

Good one man

::)


Actually yeah, I think the keystylers lyrics are iller then the Beatles.  John Lennon solo, "Imagine" was a well written song.  (not any better written then "Stan")

But give me a break songs like....

"It's been a hard day and night/
I've been workin like a dog/
It's been a hard day and night/
I should be sleepin like a log"

^^^^^^ Give me a fuckin break.
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Trauma-san on August 18, 2002, 09:09:01 AM
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and why dont i think that Beatles were "superb" ??

it was to much pop for me.. Beatles are the early generation of pop-bands... backstreet boys is the next generation


Man, you must not know crap about the beatles.  They were pop for the first 3 years of their career, then grew into something more advanced than has been seen since.  
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Trauma-san on August 18, 2002, 09:23:05 AM
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Actually yeah, I think the keystylers lyrics are iller then the Beatles.  John Lennon solo, "Imagine" was a well written song.  (not any better written then "Stan")

But give me a break songs like....

"It's been a hard day and night/
I've been workin like a dog/
It's been a hard day and night/
I should be sleepin like a log"

^^^^^^ Give me a fuckin break.


Yeah, Great Quote.  Lemme give you some Eminem lyrics, compared to some John Lennon lyrics, since we're gonna do it like that.  

Eminem: - "You.  Don't wanna Fuck With Shady.  
Cuz Shady.  Will Fuckin' Kill You. (Repeat, over and over).

And I am, whatever you say I am
If I wasn't, then why would I say I am?
In the paper, the news everyday I am
Radio won't even play my jam

Mentally illll from Amityvilllle (ILLLL)
Accidentally killll your family stillll
Thinkin he won't?  God-damnit he willll (HE'SSSS)
Mentally illll from Amityvilllle "

There, there's some of Eminem's fine work.

Here's some John Lennon, I'll let yall judge:

John Lennon - Across The Universe

Words are flowing out like endless rain into a paper cup,
They slither while they pass, they slip away across the universe
Pools of sorrow, waves of joy are drifting through my open mind,
Possessing and caressing me.
Jai guru de va om
Nothing's gonna change my world,
Nothing's gonna change my world.

Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes,
That call me on and on across the universe,
Thoughts meander like a restless wind inside a letter box they
Tumble blindly as they make their way
Across the universe
Jai guru de va om
Nothing's gonna change my world,
Nothing's gonna change my world.

Sounds of laughter shades of earth are ringing
Through my open views inviting and inciting me
Limitless undying love which shines around me like a
Million suns, it calls me on and on
Across the universe
Jai guru de va om
Nothing's gonna change my world,
Nothing's gonna change my world.

John Lennon - Revolution

You say you want a revolution
Well you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright Alright

You say you got a real solution
Well you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright Alright

You say you'll change the constitution
Well you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well you know
You better free your mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know know it's gonna be alright
Alright Alright

John Lennon - Let me take you down, 'cause I'm going to Strawberry Fields.
Nothing is real and nothing to get hungabout.
Strawberry Fields forever.

Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.
It's getting hard to be someone but it all works out, it doesn't matter much to me.
Let me take you down, 'cause I'm going to Strawberry Fields.
Nothing is real and nothing to get hungabout.
Strawberry Fields forever.

No one I think is in my tree, I mean it must be high or low.
That is you can't you know tune in but it's all right, that is I think it's not too bad.
Let me take you down, 'cause I'm going to Strawberry Fields.
Nothing is real and nothing to get hungabout.
Strawberry Fields forever.

Always, no sometimes, think it's me, but you know I know when it's a dream.
I think I know I mean a 'Yes' but it's all wrong, that is I think I disagree.
Let me take you down, 'cause I'm going to Strawberry Fields.
Nothing is real and nothing to get hungabout.
Strawberry Fields forever.
Strawberry Fields forever.

John Lennon - Working Class Hero

As soon as you're born they make you feel small
By giving you no time instead of it all
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

They hurt you at home and they hit you at school
They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool
Till you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years
Then they expect you to pick a career
When you can't really function you're so full of fear
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV
And you think you're so clever and classless and free
But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

There's room at the top they are telling you still
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

If you want to be a hero well just follow me
If you want to be a hero well just follow me


Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: infinite59 on August 18, 2002, 11:15:20 AM
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Yeah, Great Quote.  Lemme give you some Eminem lyrics, compared to some John Lennon lyrics, since we're gonna do it like that.  

Eminem: - "You.  Don't wanna Fuck With Shady.  
Cuz Shady.  Will Fuckin' Kill You. (Repeat, over and over).

And I am, whatever you say I am
If I wasn't, then why would I say I am?
In the paper, the news everyday I am
Radio won't even play my jam

Mentally illll from Amityvilllle (ILLLL)
Accidentally killll your family stillll
Thinkin he won't?  God-damnit he willll (HE'SSSS)
Mentally illll from Amityvilllle "

There, there's some of Eminem's fine work.

Here's some John Lennon, I'll let yall judge:

John Lennon - Across The Universe

Words are flowing out like endless rain into a paper cup,
They slither while they pass, they slip away across the universe
Pools of sorrow, waves of joy are drifting through my open mind,
Possessing and caressing me.
Jai guru de va om
Nothing's gonna change my world,
Nothing's gonna change my world.

Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes,
That call me on and on across the universe,
Thoughts meander like a restless wind inside a letter box they
Tumble blindly as they make their way
Across the universe
Jai guru de va om
Nothing's gonna change my world,
Nothing's gonna change my world.

Sounds of laughter shades of earth are ringing
Through my open views inviting and inciting me
Limitless undying love which shines around me like a
Million suns, it calls me on and on
Across the universe
Jai guru de va om
Nothing's gonna change my world,
Nothing's gonna change my world.

John Lennon - Revolution

You say you want a revolution
Well you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright Alright

You say you got a real solution
Well you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright Alright

You say you'll change the constitution
Well you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well you know
You better free your mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know know it's gonna be alright
Alright Alright

John Lennon - Let me take you down, 'cause I'm going to Strawberry Fields.
Nothing is real and nothing to get hungabout.
Strawberry Fields forever.

Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.
It's getting hard to be someone but it all works out, it doesn't matter much to me.
Let me take you down, 'cause I'm going to Strawberry Fields.
Nothing is real and nothing to get hungabout.
Strawberry Fields forever.

No one I think is in my tree, I mean it must be high or low.
That is you can't you know tune in but it's all right, that is I think it's not too bad.
Let me take you down, 'cause I'm going to Strawberry Fields.
Nothing is real and nothing to get hungabout.
Strawberry Fields forever.

Always, no sometimes, think it's me, but you know I know when it's a dream.
I think I know I mean a 'Yes' but it's all wrong, that is I think I disagree.
Let me take you down, 'cause I'm going to Strawberry Fields.
Nothing is real and nothing to get hungabout.
Strawberry Fields forever.
Strawberry Fields forever.

John Lennon - Working Class Hero

As soon as you're born they make you feel small
By giving you no time instead of it all
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

They hurt you at home and they hit you at school
They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool
Till you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years
Then they expect you to pick a career
When you can't really function you're so full of fear
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV
And you think you're so clever and classless and free
But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

There's room at the top they are telling you still
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

If you want to be a hero well just follow me
If you want to be a hero well just follow me




Vote: Eminem
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Jay ay Beee on August 18, 2002, 11:47:57 AM
Vote: Infinite's a twat
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Sikotic™ on August 18, 2002, 01:22:13 PM
Woah thats some real ish. I've never been a Beatles fan because their music never appealed to me but i gotta give John Lennon credit for that.
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: bez on August 18, 2002, 01:47:11 PM
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Vote: Infinite's a twat


lol lol lolol

my vote Lennon, I am guna download them songs that Trauma mentioned.  
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Trauma-san on August 18, 2002, 06:29:20 PM
Here's some more, he was a genius.

John Lennon - "Woman Is the Nigger of the World"

Woman is the nigger of the world
Yes she is...think about it
Woman is the nigger of the world
Think about it...do something about it

We make her paint her face and dance
If she won't be a slave, we say that she don't love us
If she's real, we say she's trying to be a man
While putting her down, we pretend that she's above us

Woman is the nigger of the world...yes she is
If you don't believe me, take a look at the one you're with
Woman is the slave of the slaves
Ah, yeah...better scream about it

We make her bear and raise our children
And then we leave her flat for being a fat old mother hen
We tell her home is the only place she should be
Then we complain that she's too unworldly to be our friend

Woman is the nigger of the world...yes she is
If you don't believe me, take a look at the one you're with
Woman is the slave to the slaves
Yeah...alright...hit it!

We insult her every day on TV
And wonder why she has no guts or confidence
When she's young we kill her will to be free
While telling her not to be so smart we put her down for being so dumb

Woman is the nigger of the world
Yes she is...if you don't believe me, take a look at the one you're with
Woman is the slave to the slaves
Yes she is...if you believe me, you better scream about it

We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance

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Eminem has never said 1 thing as contraversial as that was back in 1973.

Or how about his diss song towards Paul McCartney, after the beatles broke up?

John Lennon - How Do You Sleep?

So Sgt. Pepper took you by surprise
You better see right through that mother's eyes
Those freaks was right when they said you was dead
The one mistake you made was in your head
Ah, how do you sleep?
Ah, how do you sleep at night?
You live with straights who tell you you was king
Jump when your momma tell you anything
The only thing you done was yesterday
And since you're gone you're just another day
Ah, how do you sleep?
Ah, how do you sleep at night?

Ah, how do you sleep?
Ah, how do you sleep at night?

A pretty face may last a year or two
But pretty soon they'll see what you can do
The sound you make is muzak to my ears
You must have learned something in all those years
Ah, how do you sleep?
Ah, how do you sleep at night?

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Simple, but again, never been done before him.  He dissed Paul's Sgt. Pepper idea (Paul thought it wouldn't work, but it got big)... he dissed people saying Paul had died in a car accident, he dissed Paul's biggest beatles song, Yesterday, he dissed Paul's wife, LOL.  

John Lennon - Oh My Love (One of the most beautiful songs ever written)

Oh my love for the first time in my life
My eyes are wide open
Oh my lover for the first time in my life
My eyes can see
I see the wind, oh I see the trees
Everything is clear in my heart
I see the clouds, oh I see the sky
Everything is clear in our world

Oh my love for the first time in my life
My mind is wide open
Oh my lover for the first time in my life
My mind can feel

I feel the sorrow, oh I feel the dreams
Everything is clear in my heart
I feel life, oh I feel love
Everything is clear in our world

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John lennon - Mind Games

We're playing those mind games together
Pushing the barriers, planting seeds
Playing the mind guerrilla
Chanting the mantra, peace on earth
We all been playing those mind games forever
Some kinda druid dudes lifting the veil
Doing the mind guerrilla
Some call it magic, the search for the grail
Love is the answer and you know that for sure
Love is a flower, you got to let it, you got to let it grow

So keep on playing those mind games together
Faith in the future, outta the now
You just can't beat on those mind guerrillas
Absolute elsewhere in the stones of your mind
Yeah we're playing those mind games forever
Projecting our images in space and in time

Yes is the answer and you know that for sure
Yes is surrender, you got to let it, you got to let it go

So keep on playing those mind games together
Doing the ritual dance in the sun
Millions of mind guerrillas
Putting their soul power to the karmic wheel
Keep on playing those mind games forever
Raising the spirit of peace and love

Love...
(I want you to make love, not war, I know you've heard it before)

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Another Great song, with a great vocal

John Lennon - Nobody Told Me

Everybody's talking and no one says a word
Everybody's making love and no one really cares
There's Nazis in the bathroom just below the stairs
Always something happening and nothing going on
There's always something cooking and nothing in the pot
They're starving back in China so finish what you got
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Strange days indeed -- strange days indeed

Everybody's runnin' and no one makes a move
Everyone's a winner and nothing left to lose
There's a little yellow idol to the north of Katmandu
Everybody's flying and no one leaves the ground
Everybody's crying and no one makes a sound
There's a place for us in the movies you just gotta lay around

Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Strange days indeed -- most peculiar, mama

Everybody's smoking and no one's getting high
Everybody's flying and never touch the sky
There's a UFO over New York and I ain't too surprised

Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Strange days indeed -- most peculiar, mama

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Or how about this one, written 10 years after the beatles broke up, and after he retired from music to raise his son... he returned for one more album, then took a bullet to the head days after it was released.  This song's how I always remember him:

John Lennon - Watching The Wheels

People say I'm crazy
doing what I'm doing
Well they give me all kinds of warnings to save me from ruin
When I say that I'm o.k. well they look at me kind of strange
Surely you're not happy now you no longer play the game

People say I'm lazy dreaming my life away
Well they give me all kinds of advice designed to enlighten me
When I tell them that I'm doing fine watching shadows on the wall
Don't you miss the big time boy you're no longer on the ball

I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round
I really love to watch them roll
No longer riding on the merry-go-round
I just had to let it go

Ah, people asking questions lost in confusion
Well I tell them there's no problem, only solutions
Well they shake their heads and they look at me as if I've lost my mind
I tell them there's no hurry
I'm just sitting here doing time

I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round
I really love to watch them roll
No longer riding on the merry-go-round
I just had to let it go
I just had to let it go
I just had to let it go




Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Trauma-san on August 18, 2002, 06:37:37 PM
John Lennon - "God" (Written shortly after the beatles broke up)

God is a concept
By which we measure
Our pain
I'll say it again
God is a concept
By which we measure
Our pain
I don't believe in magic
I don't believe in I-ching
I don't believe in Bible
I don't believe in tarot
I don't believe in Hitler
I don't believe in Jesus
I don't believe in Kennedy
I don't believe in Buddha
I don't believe in Mantra
I don't believe in Gita
I don't believe in Yoga
I don't believe in kings
I don't believe in Elvis
I don't believe in Zimmerman
I don't believe in Beatles
I just believe in me
Yoko and me
And that's reality

The dream is over
What can I say?
The dream is over
Yesterday
I was the Dreamweaver
But now I'm reborn
I was the Walrus
But now I'm John
And so dear friends
You'll just have to carry on
The dream is over
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: bez on August 19, 2002, 01:43:42 AM
Dam I felt all that.  Dam R.I.P John.

Liverpool for ever!!!  Liverpool created music!!!
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: Primo on August 19, 2002, 03:47:29 AM
I could never get myself to listen to any of that shit.
Title: Re: Shakespeare- the NSync and Beatles of Literatu
Post by: infinite59 on August 19, 2002, 04:08:47 AM
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I could never get myself to listen to any of that shit.


Word... Chino XL is a better writer then the Beatles.  John Lennon wrote some good solo ish, but that wasn't even the argument in the beggining.  Still Chino XL would serve his ass.