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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: M Dogg™ on July 17, 2004, 01:56:02 PM
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How can conservative claim to be the party that's more religious, and about family values, and people that go to church everyweek are more likely to be conservative, when if you read the bible, Jesus is made out to be a non judgemental hippy who talks in sinners, and almost damn nears promotes socialism by asking the wealthy to give up there wealth to get into heaven. Yet, it's the conservatives who promote making money, big business, and Christianity all under the same breath. It's always confused me. I understand abortian, but that's the only thing Christian I see in the party.
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This should be good....
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Well I'm a Conservative but not a Christian. Many Conservatives I know are not.
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Well I'm a Conservative but not a Christian. Many Conservatives I know are not.
you're muslim. it's all the same.
in the end it just comes down to the fact if you're religious or not, and you are - big time.
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How can conservative claim to be the party that's more religious, and about family values, and people that go to church everyweek are more likely to be conservative, when if you read the bible, Jesus is made out to be a non judgemental hippy who talks in sinners, and almost damn nears promotes socialism by asking the wealthy to give up there wealth to get into heaven. Yet, it's the conservatives who promote making money, big business, and Christianity all under the same breath. It's always confused me. I understand abortian, but that's the only thing Christian I see in the party.
I think you have a very skewed view of Conservatives.
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I think you have a very skewed view of Conservatives.
Then explain, because I'm very mush a Christian, and yet conservative make it out that they are the Christian side. They take in "family values" and stuff. So explain how conservatives really are, I honestly want to know. Maybe I missed somethings.
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Well I'm a Conservative but not a Christian. Many Conservatives I know are not.
you're muslim. it's all the same.
in the end it just comes down to the fact if you're religious or not, and you are - big time.
If you knew about it, the teaching of Islam and Christianity might have a few similarites but the teachings differ a fair amount.
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Well I'm a Conservative but not a Christian. Many Conservatives I know are not.
you're muslim. it's all the same.
in the end it just comes down to the fact if you're religious or not, and you are - big time.
If you knew about it, the teaching of Islam and Christianity might have a few similarites but the teachings differ a fair amount.
If I knew about it? I always know what I need to know to open my mouth and say the stuff Im going to say.
Read this excerpt of a good book:
SALADIN and NATHAN.
SALADIN.
Draw nearer, Jew, yet nearer; here, quite by me,
Without all fear.
NATHAN.
Remain that for thy foes!
SALADIN.
Your name is Nathan?
NATHAN.
Yes.
SALADIN.
Nathan the wise?
NATHAN.
No.
SALADIN.
If not thou, the people calls thee so.
NATHAN.
May be, the people.
SALADIN.
Fancy not that I
Think of the people's voice contemptuously;
I have been wishing much to know the man
Whom it has named the wise.
NATHAN.
And if it named
Him so in scorn. If wise meant only prudent.
And prudent, one who knows his interest well.
SALADIN.
Who knows his real interest, thou must mean.
NATHAN.
Then were the interested the most prudent,
Then wise and prudent were the same.
SALADIN.
I hear
You proving what your speeches contradict.
You know man's real interests, which the people
Knows not—at least have studied how to know them.
That alone makes the sage.
NATHAN.
Which each imagines
Himself to be.
SALADIN.
Of modesty enough!
Ever to meet it, where one seeks to hear
Dry truth, is vexing. Let us to the purpose -
But, Jew, sincere and open -
NATHAN.
I will serve thee
So as to merit, prince, thy further notice.
SALADIN.
Serve me—how?
NATHAN.
Thou shalt have the best I bring.
Shalt have them cheap.
SALADIN.
What speak you of?—your wares?
My sister shall be called to bargain with you
For them (so much for the sly listener), I
Have nothing to transact now with the merchant.
NATHAN.
Doubtless then you would learn, what, on my journey,
I noticed of the motions of the foe,
Who stirs anew. If unreserved I may -
SALADIN.
Neither was that the object of my sending:
I know what I have need to know already.
In short I willed your presence -
NATHAN.
Sultan, order.
SALADIN.
To gain instruction quite on other points.
Since you are a man so wise, tell me which law,
Which faith appears to you the better?
NATHAN.
Sultan,
I am a Jew.
SALADIN.
And I a Mussulman:
The Christian stands between us. Of these three
Religions only one came be the true.
A man, like you, remains not just where birth
Has chanced to cast him, or, if he remains there,
Does it from insight, choice, from grounds of preference.
Share then with me your insight—let me hear
The grounds of preference, which I have wanted
The leisure to examine—learn the choice,
These grounds have motived, that it may be mine.
In confidence I ask it. How you startle,
And weigh me with your eye! It may well be
I'm the first sultan to whom this caprice,
Methinks not quite unworthy of a sultan,
Has yet occurred. Am I not? Speak then—Speak.
Or do you, to collect yourself, desire
Some moments of delay—I give them you -
(Whether she's listening?—I must know of her
If I've done right.) Reflect—I'll soon return -
[Saladin steps into the room to which Sittah had retired.]
NATHAN.
Strange! how is this? what wills the sultan of me?
I came prepared with cash—he asks truth. Truth?
As if truth too were cash—a coin disused
That goes by weight—indeed 'tis some such thing -
But a new coin, known by the stamp at once,
To be flung down and told upon the counter,
It is not that. Like gold in bags tied up,
So truth lies hoarded in the wise man's head
To be brought out.—Which now in this transaction
Which of us plays the Jew; he asks for truth,
Is truth what he requires, his aim, his end?
That this is but the glue to lime a snare
Ought not to be suspected, 'twere too little,
Yet what is found too little for the great -
In fact, through hedge and pale to stalk at once
Into one's field beseems not—friends look round,
Seek for the path, ask leave to pass the gate -
I must be cautious. Yet to damp him back,
And be the stubborn Jew is not the thing;
And wholly to throw off the Jew, still less.
For if no Jew he might with right inquire -
Why not a Mussulman—Yes—that may serve me.
Not children only can be quieted
With stories. Ha! he comes—well, let him come.
SALADIN (returning).
So, there, the field is clear, I'm not too quick,
Thou hast bethought thyself as much as need is,
Speak, no one hears.
NATHAN.
Might the whole world but hear us.
SALADIN.
Is Nathan of his cause so confident?
Yes, that I call the sage—to veil no truth,
For truth to hazard all things, life and goods.
NATHAN.
Aye, when 'tis necessary and when useful.
SALADIN.
Henceforth I hope I shall with reason bear
One of my titles—"Betterer of the world
And of the law."
NATHAN.
In truth a noble title.
But, sultan, e'er I quite unfold myself
Allow me to relate a tale.
SALADIN.
Why not?
I always was a friend of tales well told.
NATHAN.
Well told, that's not precisely my affair.
SALADIN.
Again so proudly modest, come begin.
NATHAN.
In days of yore, there dwelt in east a man
Who from a valued hand received a ring
Of endless worth: the stone of it an opal,
That shot an ever-changing tint: moreover,
It had the hidden virtue him to render
Of God and man beloved, who in this view,
And this persuasion, wore it. Was it strange
The eastern man ne'er drew it off his finger,
And studiously provided to secure it
For ever to his house. Thus—He bequeathed it;
First, to the MOST BELOVED of his sons,
Ordained that he again should leave the ring
To the MOST DEAR among his children—and
That without heeding birth, the FAVOURITE son,
In virtue of the ring alone, should always
Remain the lord o' th' house—You hear me, Sultan?
SALADIN.
I understand thee—on.
NATHAN.
From son to son,
At length this ring descended to a father,
Who had three sons, alike obedient to him;
Whom therefore he could not but love alike.
At times seemed this, now that, at times the third,
(Accordingly as each apart received
The overflowings of his heart) most worthy
To heir the ring, which with good-natured weakness
He privately to each in turn had promised.
This went on for a while. But death approached,
And the good father grew embarrassed. So
To disappoint two sons, who trust his promise,
He could not bear. What's to be done. He sends
In secret to a jeweller, of whom,
Upon the model of the real ring,
He might bespeak two others, and commanded
To spare nor cost nor pains to make them like,
Quite like the true one. This the artist managed.
The rings were brought, and e'en the father's eye
Could not distinguish which had been the model.
Quite overjoyed he summons all his sons,
Takes leave of each apart, on each bestows
His blessing and his ring, and dies—Thou hearest me?
SALADIN.
I hear, I hear, come finish with thy tale;
Is it soon ended?
NATHAN.
It is ended, Sultan,
For all that follows may be guessed of course.
Scarce is the father dead, each with his ring
Appears, and claims to be the lord o' th' house.
Comes question, strife, complaint—all to no end;
For the true ring could no more be distinguished
Than now can—the true faith.
SALADIN.
How, how, is that
To be the answer to my query?
NATHAN.
No,
But it may serve as my apology;
If I can't venture to decide between
Rings, which the father got expressly made,
That they might not be known from one another.
SALADIN.
The rings—don't trifle with me; I must think
That the religions which I named can be
Distinguished, e'en to raiment, drink and food,
NATHAN.
And only not as to their grounds of proof.
Are not all built alike on history,
Traditional, or written. History
Must be received on trust—is it not so?
In whom now are we likeliest to put trust?
In our own people surely, in those men
Whose blood we are, in them, who from our childhood
Have given us proofs of love, who ne'er deceived us,
Unless 'twere wholesomer to be deceived.
How can I less believe in my forefathers
Than thou in thine. How can I ask of thee
To own that thy forefathers falsified
In order to yield mine the praise of truth.
The like of Christians.
SALADIN.
By the living God,
The man is in the right, I must be silent.
NATHAN.
Now let us to our rings return once more.
As said, the sons complained. Each to the judge
Swore from his father's hand immediately
To have received the ring, as was the case;
After he had long obtained the father's promise,
One day to have the ring, as also was.
The father, each asserted, could to him
Not have been false, rather than so suspect
Of such a father, willing as he might be
With charity to judge his brethren, he
Of treacherous forgery was bold t' accuse them.
SALADIN.
Well, and the judge, I'm eager now to hear
What thou wilt make him say. Go on, go on.
NATHAN.
The judge said, If ye summon not the father
Before my seat, I cannot give a sentence.
Am I to guess enigmas? Or expect ye
That the true ring should here unseal its lips?
But hold—you tell me that the real ring
Enjoys the hidden power to make the wearer
Of God and man beloved; let that decide.
Which of you do two brothers love the best?
You're silent. Do these love-exciting rings
Act inward only, not without? Does each
Love but himself? Ye're all deceived deceivers,
None of your rings is true. The real ring
Perhaps is gone. To hide or to supply
Its loss, your father ordered three for one.
SALADIN.
O charming, charming!
NATHAN.
And (the judge continued)
If you will take advice in lieu of sentence,
This is my counsel to you, to take up
The matter where it stands. If each of you
Has had a ring presented by his father,
Let each believe his own the real ring.
'Tis possible the father chose no longer
To tolerate the one ring's tyranny;
And certainly, as he much loved you all,
And loved you all alike, it could not please him
By favouring one to be of two the oppressor.
Let each feel honoured by this free affection.
Unwarped of prejudice; let each endeavour
To vie with both his brothers in displaying
The virtue of his ring; assist its might
With gentleness, benevolence, forbearance,
With inward resignation to the godhead,
And if the virtues of the ring continue
To show themselves among your children's children,
After a thousand thousand years, appear
Before this judgment-seat—a greater one
Than I shall sit upon it, and decide.
So spake the modest judge.
SALADIN.
God!
NATHAN.
Saladin,
Feel'st thou thyself this wiser, promised man?
SALADIN.
I dust, I nothing, God!
[Precipitates himself upon Nathan, and takes hold of his hand, which
he does not quit the remainder of the scene.]
NATHAN.
What moves thee, Sultan?
SALADIN.
Nathan, my dearest Nathan, 'tis not yet
The judge's thousand thousand years are past,
His judgment-seat's not mine. Go, go, but love me.
NATHAN.
Has Saladin then nothing else to order?
SALADIN.
No.
NATHAN.
Nothing?
SALADIN.
Nothing in the least, and wherefore?
NATHAN.
I could have wished an opportunity
To lay a prayer before you.
SALADIN.
Is there need
Of opportunity for that? Speak freely.
NATHAN.
I come from a long journey from collecting
Debts, and I've almost of hard cash too much;
The times look perilous—I know not where
To lodge it safely—I was thinking thou,
For coming wars require large sums, couldst use it.
SALADIN (fixing Nathan).
Nathan, I ask not if thou sawst Al-Hafi,
I'll not examine if some shrewd suspicion
Spurs thee to make this offer of thyself.
NATHAN.
Suspicion -
SALADIN.
I deserve this offer. Pardon,
For what avails concealment, I acknowledge
I was about -
NATHAN.
To ask the same of me?
SALADIN.
Yes.
NATHAN.
Then 'tis well we're both accommodated.
That I can't send thee all I have of treasure
Arises from the templar; thou must know him,
I have a weighty debt to pay to him.
SALADIN.
A templar! How, thou dost not with thy gold
Support my direst foes.
NATHAN.
I speak of him
Whose life the sultan -
SALADIN.
What art thou recalling?
I had forgot the youth, whence is he, knowest thou?
NATHAN.
Hast thou not heard then how thy clemency
To him has fallen on me. He at the risk
Of his new-spared existence, from the flames
Rescued my daughter.
SALADIN.
Ha! Has he done that;
He looked like one that would—my brother too,
Whom he's so like, bad done it. Is he here still?
Bring him to me—I have so often talked
To Sittah of this brother, whom she knew not,
That I must let her see his counterfeit.
Go fetch him. How a single worthy action,
Though but of whim or passion born, gives rise
To other blessings! Fetch him.
NATHAN.
In an instant.
The rest remains as settled.
SALADIN.
O, I wish
I had let my sister listen. Well, I'll to her.
How shall I make her privy to all this?
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For some reason I think this thread is going to go way off-topic. From conservatives we'll end up at 1001 Arabian Nights.
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christianity has been skewed from the start and bent towards mans desires.
conversatives are the selfish, out for #1 ones in society. in really its how you need to be.
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christianity has been skewed from the start and bent towards mans desires.
That's a very good point. The words in the Bible have been played around with more than Paris Hilton's titties.
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For some reason I think this thread is going to go way off-topic. From conservatives we'll end up at 1001 Arabian Nights.
that's a story everybody should be told in these times. it's a shame so few ppl know it. worth every off-topicness.
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If someone came to my door hungry and asking for assistance i would give him food shelter and help him find a JOB. I don't want the government forcing me to give my money to some program i dont want to give it to
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If someone came to my door hungry and asking for assistance i would give him food shelter and help him find a JOB. I don't want the government forcing me to give my money to some program i dont want to give it to
The Bible says you should do so. And conservatives turn to the Bible for many justification, so if conservatives did as they say, they would give the man help. Now can you please answer my question. Please.
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If someone came to my door hungry and asking for assistance i would give him food shelter and help him find a JOB. I don't want the government forcing me to give my money to some program i dont want to give it to
The Bible says you should do so. And conservatives turn to the Bible for many justification, so if conservatives did as they say, they would give the man help. Now can you please answer my question. Please.
I don't follow the bible. I follow my own set of morals
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If someone came to my door hungry and asking for assistance i would give him food shelter and help him find a JOB. I don't want the government forcing me to give my money to some program i dont want to give it to
The Bible says you should do so. And conservatives turn to the Bible for many justification, so if conservatives did as they say, they would give the man help. Now can you please answer my question. Please.
I don't follow the bible. I follow my own set of morals
Are you Christian? Why is it that Republicans pride themselves on being the party follows the Bible, the more religious party. I ask that, not your own personal opinion and morals. Just comparing conservative and Christian values.
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I think you have a very skewed view of Conservatives.
Then explain, because I'm very mush a Christian, and yet conservative make it out that they are the Christian side. They take in "family values" and stuff. So explain how conservatives really are, I honestly want to know. Maybe I missed somethings.
M Dogg, we've had these discussions for years. You're not trying to learn anything, you're just trying to argue. Look @ your signature, that tells me all I need to know about your willingness to learn, and where your heart is at. It's not worth my wasted breath to try and extol what a conservative is, if you want to look into it, I suggest you search around the net, you'll find plenty of conservative groups to discuss it with. Peace~
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How do you dismiss the mans signature, or use it as a sign that he refuses to learn.
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christianity has been skewed from the start and bent towards mans desires.
conversatives are the selfish, out for #1 ones in society. in really its how you need to be.
Hmm, I don't really want to argue with that, although I feel you've put it too bluntly. It is true, though, that by helping others, you're often not helping them. You won't meet many conservatives who aren't concerned about starvation and charity, etc... I'm not sure if that's what you're getting at or not.
Conservatives do tend to have the opinion, however, like I alluded to above that helping people out isn't always the answer. My mother is a gambler. She doesn't have a dime to her name, she gambles it all away. As such, she doesn't have clean clothes, she doesn't have a good car, she doesn't have even enough money to get a hamburger to eat sometimes. Now, somepeople might look @ me and consider me cruel and selfish because I won't give her any money... in reality, though, I've realized that I can't help her by giving her money, because she'd just go gamble it away, and I just enabled that. Conservatives have feelings like that when it's warranted, like with the majority of people in poverty. In MY OPINION, you have the ability and the strength simply by being a human being in America to make yourself a better person and rise out of poverty... and this is coming from someone barely removed from it himself. So yes; I'm selfish in that regard; I don't want a social safety net so people can rest on their un-educated, un-realized, un-ambitious laurels; I want the only way you can succeed in life to be by your own merits, equally, and fairly available to anyone by god's grace, and equally rewarded regardless of skin, age, sex, etc. All social programs and affirmative action programs do is further divide us by race and age, and sex, because they seek to balance what shouldn't be unbalanced in the first place. Hard to explain, and no one agrees, so I'll stop here.
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How do you dismiss the mans signature, or use it as a sign that he refuses to learn.
If he wanted to understand conservatives, he wouldn't insult them. Peace~
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If someone came to my door hungry and asking for assistance i would give him food shelter and help him find a JOB. I don't want the government forcing me to give my money to some program i dont want to give it to
The Bible says you should do so. And conservatives turn to the Bible for many justification, so if conservatives did as they say, they would give the man help. Now can you please answer my question. Please.
.. didn't he just say that's exactly what he would do?
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How does criticizing two particular indviduals equate to a wide spread denounciation of conservatism?
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... and of course you know this, so I wonder why you asked; but George Bush and Dick Cheney are the two highest elected conservatives in the country.
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To Expound, if I were to denounce Muhammad, you would assume correctly that I probably have a problem with Islam. If I were to denounce Jesus Christ and Simon Peter, you would correctly assume I had a problem with Christianity, and If I were to denounce the Beatles & Frank Sinatra you would correctly assume that I had a problem with good music. After a while, certain individuals excel so much @ their chosen cause that they become synonomous with it.
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yeah but as individuals they are responsible for their actions, and to me personally I hold alot of conservative views, but i think Bush and Cheny are both uber-pricks who can burn in hell.
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yeah but as individuals they are responsible for their actions, and to me personally I hold alot of conservative views, but i think Bush and Cheny are both uber-pricks who can burn in hell.
Agreed.
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To Expound, if I were to denounce Muhammad, you would assume correctly that I probably have a problem with Islam. If I were to denounce Jesus Christ and Simon Peter, you would correctly assume I had a problem with Christianity, and If I were to denounce the Beatles & Frank Sinatra you would correctly assume that I had a problem with good music. After a while, certain individuals excel so much @ their chosen cause that they become synonomous with it.
Yeah because Mohamed is the prophet of Islam. Jesus is the founder and father of Christains. They are synonomous with their respective faiths. Bush and Cheney are not founders of the republicans, i doubt Bush could even discusss the history of the modern American conservative movement. Basically, conservatism is an ideology and many people fall under this blanket but that does not make them synonomous with them.
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I don't know much about Cheney, but in my opinion George Bush is a normal man like you and I, and I'm not going to hate him for doing what he thinks is right. I think he's got a good heart and a good mind, and I believe he does his job to the best of his ability. I can't ask for more than that in an elected official. It amazes me that everyone sees him as a snake in the grass when it's clearly apparent to me that's he's honest to a fault, even to the point that it makes him look like a buffoon on television.
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I don't know much about Cheney, but in my opinion George Bush is a normal man like you and I, and I'm not going to hate him for doing what he thinks is right. I think he's got a good heart and a good mind, and I believe he does his job to the best of his ability. I can't ask for more than that in an elected official. It amazes me that everyone sees him as a snake in the grass when it's clearly apparent to me that's he's honest to a fault, even to the point that it makes him look like a buffoon on television.
Thats the difference between u and me i guess. You see a hardworking well meaning devoted public servant. I see a well placed puppet in a well oiled system. I mean, I think I could have a beer with Dubya and enjoy the company. We can discuss movies, football, baseball. But the mans a dick, his actions and the consequences of his decisions in my opinion makes him a dick regardless of party affiliation and ideological persuation.
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To Expound, if I were to denounce Muhammad, you would assume correctly that I probably have a problem with Islam. If I were to denounce Jesus Christ and Simon Peter, you would correctly assume I had a problem with Christianity, and If I were to denounce the Beatles & Frank Sinatra you would correctly assume that I had a problem with good music. After a while, certain individuals excel so much @ their chosen cause that they become synonomous with it.
Yeah because Mohamed is the prophet of Islam. Jesus is the founder and father of Christains. They are synonomous with their respective faiths. Bush and Cheney are not founders of the republicans, i doubt Bush could even discusss the history of the modern American conservative movement. Basically, conservatism is an ideology and many people fall under this blanket but that does not make them synonomous with them.
Michael Eisner headed Disney for so many years, his name is now Synonomous with it, although he didn't found the company, Walt Disney did. Eisner is associated strongly with it however because he rose to the position of CEO within the company. As he is the head man @ Disney, George Bush is very much the chief of the Republican movement.
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Of course there is an affiliation and connection. But there is no synonomous relation like that of the Prophet Muhamad and Islam or Christianity and Christ.
Is a personal attack on Michael Eisner (which can be made, if u read about the guy) a personal condemnation of the Walt Disney company, Walt Disney himself, his vision and/or Mckey Mouse and Co?
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We never connected Christianity and conservativism. You have used Christian values in backing up some positions conservatives have, but the basic Christian beliefs and conservativism is not discuse. As for your mom, I'm sorry to hear. My moms was a drug addict, and all her money went to drugs. Due to these, I lived in poverity, I saw people literally shot their money in there arms. And I can honestly say, it is worth saving these people, there are sucessful programs to help these people, and each persons life is worth something. Jesus said himself, to turn away someone in need is like turning me away. So he'll come as someone needing help, and if you turn him away, then it's on your judgement day.
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I don't know much about Cheney, but in my opinion George Bush is a normal man like you and I, and I'm not going to hate him for doing what he thinks is right. I think he's got a good heart and a good mind, and I believe he does his job to the best of his ability. I can't ask for more than that in an elected official. It amazes me that everyone sees him as a snake in the grass when it's clearly apparent to me that's he's honest to a fault, even to the point that it makes him look like a buffoon on television.
I dont see how you can get to such a conclusion.. dude still denies that he fucked up concerning the WMD stuff..
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M Dogg I will answer your question for you. I am Catholic and conservative, and I embrace the conservative ideas like capitalism and free enterprise because I feel that those systems are inherently superior to socialism. The fact of the matter is under capitalism, more people will be better off and have higher standards of living. That is proven by the fact that poor people all over the world are trying to move into capitalist countries like the US and not communist countries like China, Cuba, North Korea etc.
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the problem is you (americans) only see one allternative to capitalism, which is communism. which due to the cold war you have been conditioned against. neither system is perfect.
where is the 'left' in american politics? it doesnt even exist.. even the slightest hint at that and they get labelled as commies.
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the problem is you (americans) only see one allternative to capitalism, which is communism. which due to the cold war you have been conditioned against. neither system is perfect.
where is the 'left' in american politics? it doesnt even exist.. even the slightest hint at that and they get labelled as commies.
damn straight. it's that shameful ride with us or collide with us attitude.
a government without ANY left part is not good. and why it's not good, we see very well in these times.
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Sorry to be so selfish and ignorant, I didn't know I was. I thought I was just living life and trying to be a good guy.
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the problem is you (americans) only see one allternative to capitalism, which is communism. which due to the cold war you have been conditioned against. neither system is perfect.
where is the 'left' in american politics? it doesnt even exist.. even the slightest hint at that and they get labelled as commies.
The US has a left, that is what the Democrats are. Now if by left you mean socialists or communists, then no we don't, because the overwhelming majority of Americans hate socialism and communism. And our economy is better because of that.
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You just proved Seers point, c walker. Calling the Democrats leftist is a joke. Communism is the most EXTREME form of the left.
Your conditioned mentality is spewing all over this thread.
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the problem is you (americans) only see one allternative to capitalism, which is communism. which due to the cold war you have been conditioned against. neither system is perfect.
where is the 'left' in american politics? it doesnt even exist.. even the slightest hint at that and they get labelled as commies.
The US has a left, that is what the Democrats are. Now if by left you mean socialists or communists, then no we don't, because the overwhelming majority of Americans hate socialism and communism. And our economy is better because of that.
America may not have much of a left but it doesn't seem to hurt us. We are the strongest country in the world.
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America may not have much of a left but it doesn't seem to hurt us. We are the strongest country in the world.
And we have the "right" to thank for that? LOL, you're an idiot. The U.S. being the "strongest" country in the world has nothing to do with it being to the "right" instead of to the "left".
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M dogg, You don't know shit. This is the Republican oath I have framed on my wall.
I am a republican because:
-I believe the strength of our nation lies with the individual and that each person's dignity, freedom, ability and responsibility must be honored.
-I believe in equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity for all, regardless or race, creed, sex, age or disability.
-I believe free enterprise and encouraging individual initiative have brought this nation opportunity, economic growth and prosperity.
-I believe government must practice fiscal responsibility and allow individuals to keep more of the money they earn.
-I believe the proper role of government is to provide for the people only those critical functions that cannot be performed by individuals or private organizations and that the best government is that which governs least.
-I believe the most effective, responsible and responsive government is government closest to the people.
-I believe Americans must retain the principles that have made us strong while developing new and innovative ideas to meet the challenges of changing times.
-I believe Americans value and should preserve out national strength and pride while working to extend peace, freedom and human rights throughout the world.
Finally, I believe the Republican Party is the best vehicle for translating these ideas into positive and successful principles of government.
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I just have a few comments/questions in regards to these things mentioned:
I believe the strength of our nation lies with the individual and that each person's dignity, freedom, ability and responsibility must be honored.
So how do you feel about the Patriot Act, which in fact takes away some of our constitutional rights and freedoms?
I believe government must practice fiscal responsibility
How is the Bush administration doing on that one?
I believe Americans value and should preserve out national strength and pride while working to extend peace, freedom and human rights throughout the world.
At the moment, the opposite is happening (war, not peace; torture of prisoners, some not even being captured in battle, etc). What's your opinion on the torture of prisoners?
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I just have a few comments/questions in regards to these things mentioned:
I believe the strength of our nation lies with the individual and that each person's dignity, freedom, ability and responsibility must be honored.
So how do you feel about the Patriot Act, which in fact takes away some of our constitutional rights and freedoms?
I believe government must practice fiscal responsibility
How is the Bush administration doing on that one?
I believe Americans value and should preserve out national strength and pride while working to extend peace, freedom and human rights throughout the world.
At the moment, the opposite is happening (war, not peace; torture of prisoners, some not even being captured in battle, etc). What's your opinion on the torture of prisoners?
you forget, these are only for Americans. ::)
Simply put, I wanted to know why most hardcore Christians, who get so worked up about prayers and schools, and pro-life, support the Republicans, as if that's all Christianity stood for. Why is the Republican party attractive to Christians, when as a Christian, I cannot see the connection between the two. All of the responds I've heard have nothing to do with religion and politics. So am I too believe that in fact the Republicans are not religious. Well hell, if that's the case, then fuck it, I feel completely happy voting Democrat now. I can sleep nicely at night knowing I voted for a the Democrats, and God wouldn't damn me. Honestly, thank you 'cause you guys all proved my point without me saying much at all.
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I am a republican because:
-I believe the strength of our nation lies with the individual and that each person's dignity, freedom, ability and responsibility must be honored.
-I believe in equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity for all, regardless or race, creed, sex, age or disability.
-I believe free enterprise and encouraging individual initiative have brought this nation opportunity, economic growth and prosperity.
-I believe government must practice fiscal responsibility and allow individuals to keep more of the money they earn.
-I believe the proper role of government is to provide for the people only those critical functions that cannot be performed by individuals or private organizations and that the best government is that which governs least.
-I believe the most effective, responsible and responsive government is government closest to the people.
-I believe Americans must retain the principles that have made us strong while developing new and innovative ideas to meet the challenges of changing times.
-I believe Americans value and should preserve out national strength and pride while working to extend peace, freedom and human rights throughout the world.
Finally, I believe the Republican Party is the best vehicle for translating these ideas into positive and successful principles of government.
I was going to talk about each one of these... but nah... too easy.
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I believe the strength of our nation lies with the individual and that each person's dignity, freedom, ability and responsibility must be honored.
So how do you feel about the Patriot Act, which in fact takes away some of our constitutional rights and freedoms?
The way I see it is that 9/11 caused a major policy shift. I don't think the partriot act really takes away any constitutional rights or freedoms. If it's found that it does, you can bet your ass that it will be changed. I see the patriot act as necessary. We live in a world where technology and globalization has given individuals the type of powers that only states used to have. It would be ignorant to ignore this fact and go on living the way we did before 9/11.
I believe government must practice fiscal responsibility
How is the Bush administration doing on that one?
Once again, 9/11 caused a major policy shift. The costs of this event were huge and money needed to be spent to help start to solve a problem. I don't agree with the spending the bush administration is doing, but I do agree with the reason why they are doing it.
I believe Americans value and should preserve out national strength and pride while working to extend peace, freedom and human rights throughout the world.
At the moment, the opposite is happening (war, not peace; torture of prisoners, some not even being captured in battle, etc). What's your opinion on the torture of prisoners?
I believe we are trying to extend the peace in the middle east by removing a horrible dictator who was a threat to the entire region and more in the near future. Of course the Torture of prisoners was fucking horrible. No excuse for that bullshit. Thing is, you can't paint the military with such a wide brush. I firmly believe that it was a isolated incident and those that were involved with the incident will be punished to the full extent of the law.
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I was going to talk about each one of these... but nah... too easy.
I was going to drive to your house and shit down your throat... but nah... too easy.
Words are cheap. Don't talk about it, be about it.
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America may not have much of a left but it doesn't seem to hurt us. We are the strongest country in the world.
And we have the "right" to thank for that? LOL, you're an idiot. The U.S. being the "strongest" country in the world has nothing to do with it being to the "right" instead of to the "left".
It has everything to do with that.
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America may not have much of a left but it doesn't seem to hurt us. We are the strongest country in the world.
And we have the "right" to thank for that? LOL, you're an idiot. The U.S. being the "strongest" country in the world has nothing to do with it being to the "right" instead of to the "left".
It has everything to do with that.
We are the "strongest" regardless of a Republican ("right") or Democrat ("left") being in power.
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America may not have much of a left but it doesn't seem to hurt us. We are the strongest country in the world.
And we have the "right" to thank for that? LOL, you're an idiot. The U.S. being the "strongest" country in the world has nothing to do with it being to the "right" instead of to the "left".
It has everything to do with that.
Actually, after World War II, Europe was left to rebuild, and the United States at the time, since no war was fought in the actual country, started to build everything. During the Cold War, we build up our military to match Russia's, since we defeated Japan, we made them sign an agreement, with all of Asia influence, that Japan can never rebuild a military, they can have a defense military, but not a full military, and we'd act as it's military, something that still goes on to this day. After World War II, with Germany split and the other countries rebuilding, we became the military power of the world.