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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: infinite59 on July 20, 2004, 02:06:20 PM
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Those who are concerned with the plight of the Palestinians, and think that John Kerry is the lesser of two evils, are making a serious mistake in voting for John Kerry on Nov. 5th. His brother converted to Judaism and has close links with Arieal Sharon. His recent visit there made national headlines.
John Kerry publicly supports the construction of the aparthied wall that is currently being biult.
My advice to any American who is sympathetic towards the Palestinians is vote for a third party, or don't vote at all.
Ralph Nadar and Peter Comejo have publicly condemned the construction of the apartied wall and have vowed to work with the peace movement of 120,000 Jews that has mobolized in Isreal.
Also, the Libertarian party wants to give each individual in America a choice on where to spend their money. They will not allow our tax dollars to support Isreal's oppression of the Palestinians.
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I support the wall.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=55488.0
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building a wall that's almost as bad as what's going on now, they don't need a fucking wall , they need to quit being lil' punk and stop man bombing one side and bulldozing little kids on one side. simple as that both of them need to man up
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Thanks...Now I support John Kerry even more... :D
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Every wall comes down everntually
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the next guy who encourages ppl to vote a third party gets karma-dissed. I cant take it anymore.
Jews will always fuck Muslims up legally as long as the USA is a superpower. there are way to many rich influential Jews in America, and arabic Muslims are the current scapegoat.
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the next guy who encourages ppl to vote a third party gets karma-dissed. I cant take it anymore.
Jews will always fuck Muslims up legally as long as the USA is a superpower. there are way to many rich influential Jews in America, and arabic Muslims are the current scapegoat.
I wish you didn't have such a black and white view of the world.
So when 50% of the population of the worlds main muslim country supports terrorism, they are all being scapegoated?
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the next guy who encourages ppl to vote a third party gets karma-dissed. I cant take it anymore.
Jews will always fuck Muslims up legally as long as the USA is a superpower. there are way to many rich influential Jews in America, and arabic Muslims are the current scapegoat.
I wish you didn't have such a black and white view of the world.
So when 50% of the population of the worlds main muslim country supports terrorism, they are all being scapegoated?
1st I have a problem with the negative use or the term terrorism, as stupid as it may sound.
Ill explain why. If America attacks Iraq randomly and fucks up Palestina ... what the hell are they supposed to do in return? I mean, in straight war they havent the slightest chance against a US-supported Israel or against the USA. Or can you imagine Iraq bombs droppin on NY, Middle Eastern tanks fuckin up Boston and Iraqi soldiers gunning down LA? LoL. Most unrealistic thing Ive ever imagined. So they perform some terrorism, that's just the way they fight their war, since they have no other possibilities to strike back.
Ppl act like terrorism was worse than unjustified war. What a stupid idea.
And now dont come with me being a Terrorist-Supporter or whatever bullshit .. cause Im just saying I dont see how terror on America in return to unjustified war is worse than the unjustified war itself. And we all know how much I hate these wars, so just go by the equivalent principe that I hate terrorism equally.
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the next guy who encourages ppl to vote a third party gets karma-dissed. I cant take it anymore.
Jews will always fuck Muslims up legally as long as the USA is a superpower. there are way to many rich influential Jews in America, and arabic Muslims are the current scapegoat.
I wish you didn't have such a black and white view of the world.
So when 50% of the population of the worlds main muslim country supports terrorism, they are all being scapegoated?
1st I have a problem with the negative use or the term terrorism, as stupid as it may sound.
Ill explain why. If America attacks Iraq randomly and fucks up Palestina ... what the hell are they supposed to do in return? I mean, in straight war they havent the slightest chance against a US-supported Israel or against the USA. Or can you imagine Iraq bombs droppin on NY, Middle Eastern tanks fuckin up Boston and Iraqi soldiers gunning down LA? LoL. Most unrealistic thing Ive ever imagined. So they perform some terrorism, that's just the way they fight their war, since they have no other possibilities to strike back.
Ppl act like terrorism was worse than unjustified war. What a stupid idea.
And now dont come with me being a Terrorist-Supporter or whatever bullshit .. cause Im just saying I dont see how terror on America in return to unjustified war is worse than the unjustified war itself. And we all know how much I hate these wars, so just go by the equivalent principe that I hate terrorism equally.
Yes it does sound stupid, but hey, It's coming from you.
Perhpas you forgot about a little thing called 9/11. We didn't start this war, but you can damn sure bet we're gonna end it.
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the next guy who encourages ppl to vote a third party gets karma-dissed. I cant take it anymore.
Jews will always fuck Muslims up legally as long as the USA is a superpower. there are way to many rich influential Jews in America, and arabic Muslims are the current scapegoat.
I wish you didn't have such a black and white view of the world.
So when 50% of the population of the worlds main muslim country supports terrorism, they are all being scapegoated?
1st I have a problem with the negative use or the term terrorism, as stupid as it may sound.
Ill explain why. If America attacks Iraq randomly and fucks up Palestina ... what the hell are they supposed to do in return? I mean, in straight war they havent the slightest chance against a US-supported Israel or against the USA. Or can you imagine Iraq bombs droppin on NY, Middle Eastern tanks fuckin up Boston and Iraqi soldiers gunning down LA? LoL. Most unrealistic thing Ive ever imagined. So they perform some terrorism, that's just the way they fight their war, since they have no other possibilities to strike back.
Ppl act like terrorism was worse than unjustified war. What a stupid idea.
And now dont come with me being a Terrorist-Supporter or whatever bullshit .. cause Im just saying I dont see how terror on America in return to unjustified war is worse than the unjustified war itself. And we all know how much I hate these wars, so just go by the equivalent principe that I hate terrorism equally.
Yes it does sound stupid, but hey, It's coming from you.
Perhpas you forgot about a little thing called 9/11. We didn't start this war, but you can damn sure bet we're gonna end it.
Lmao at the last sentence.. you sound like a neo-con in his worst days.
9/11. Oh wow. Let's just pretend it's 100% sure youre not responsible for that. Then again the dudes had still a reason to do it. You started fuckin up the Middle East way before. 9/11 was their strike back, dont tell me you think it was random. Again, like I said befuckinfore, it's their art of war.
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the next guy who encourages ppl to vote a third party gets karma-dissed. I cant take it anymore.
Jews will always fuck Muslims up legally as long as the USA is a superpower. there are way to many rich influential Jews in America, and arabic Muslims are the current scapegoat.
I wish you didn't have such a black and white view of the world.
So when 50% of the population of the worlds main muslim country supports terrorism, they are all being scapegoated?
1st I have a problem with the negative use or the term terrorism, as stupid as it may sound.
Ill explain why. If America attacks Iraq randomly and fucks up Palestina ... what the hell are they supposed to do in return? I mean, in straight war they havent the slightest chance against a US-supported Israel or against the USA. Or can you imagine Iraq bombs droppin on NY, Middle Eastern tanks fuckin up Boston and Iraqi soldiers gunning down LA? LoL. Most unrealistic thing Ive ever imagined. So they perform some terrorism, that's just the way they fight their war, since they have no other possibilities to strike back.
Ppl act like terrorism was worse than unjustified war. What a stupid idea.
And now dont come with me being a Terrorist-Supporter or whatever bullshit .. cause Im just saying I dont see how terror on America in return to unjustified war is worse than the unjustified war itself. And we all know how much I hate these wars, so just go by the equivalent principe that I hate terrorism equally.
Yes it does sound stupid, but hey, It's coming from you.
Perhpas you forgot about a little thing called 9/11. We didn't start this war, but you can damn sure bet we're gonna end it.
Lmao at the last sentence.. you sound like a neo-con in his worst days.
9/11. Oh wow. Let's just pretend it's 100% sure youre not responsible for that. Then again the dudes had still a reason to do it. You started fuckin up the Middle East way before. 9/11 was their strike back, dont tell me you think it was random. Again, like I said befuckinfore, it's their art of war.
You really show your ignorance of the current situation.
Do you really know what Osama's goals are? To bring a Muslim paradise to the ENTIRE world. 9/11 would have happened if we didn't have troops stationed in Saudi Arabia
You don't understand the methodolgy of these people, and you surely don't have a firm grasp on the current situation.
We've had troops stationed in Germany for how long? You don't see German's flying planes into buildings and calling for Jihad do you?
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the next guy who encourages ppl to vote a third party gets karma-dissed. I cant take it anymore.
Jews will always fuck Muslims up legally as long as the USA is a superpower. there are way to many rich influential Jews in America, and arabic Muslims are the current scapegoat.
I wish you didn't have such a black and white view of the world.
So when 50% of the population of the worlds main muslim country supports terrorism, they are all being scapegoated?
1st I have a problem with the negative use or the term terrorism, as stupid as it may sound.
Ill explain why. If America attacks Iraq randomly and fucks up Palestina ... what the hell are they supposed to do in return? I mean, in straight war they havent the slightest chance against a US-supported Israel or against the USA. Or can you imagine Iraq bombs droppin on NY, Middle Eastern tanks fuckin up Boston and Iraqi soldiers gunning down LA? LoL. Most unrealistic thing Ive ever imagined. So they perform some terrorism, that's just the way they fight their war, since they have no other possibilities to strike back.
Ppl act like terrorism was worse than unjustified war. What a stupid idea.
And now dont come with me being a Terrorist-Supporter or whatever bullshit .. cause Im just saying I dont see how terror on America in return to unjustified war is worse than the unjustified war itself. And we all know how much I hate these wars, so just go by the equivalent principe that I hate terrorism equally.
Yes it does sound stupid, but hey, It's coming from you.
Perhpas you forgot about a little thing called 9/11. We didn't start this war, but you can damn sure bet we're gonna end it.
Lmao at the last sentence.. you sound like a neo-con in his worst days.
9/11. Oh wow. Let's just pretend it's 100% sure youre not responsible for that. Then again the dudes had still a reason to do it. You started fuckin up the Middle East way before. 9/11 was their strike back, dont tell me you think it was random. Again, like I said befuckinfore, it's their art of war.
You really show your ignorance of the current situation.
Do you really know what Osama's goals are? To bring a Muslim paradise to the ENTIRE world. 9/11 would have happened if we didn't have troops stationed in Saudi Arabia
You don't understand the methodolgy of these people, and you surely don't have a firm grasp on the current situation.
We've had troops stationed in Germany for how long? You don't see German's flying planes into buildings and calling for Jihad do you?
No I of course dont know the intimate goals of Osama. I am not Osama. That doesnt matter anyway, you dont want me to get started what goals the current neo-conized US govt might have.
It's not just about troops stationed there and there. It's also support for Israel and those things.
Haha.. Iraq hasnt done shit to Germany either. Still (lmao) Germany doesnt attack Iraq. Weird isnt it? LOL.
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7even you've taken this post off topic.
fact is, in american politics the jewish lobby holds a massive amount of money, and therefore power.
of course the lobby is pro-israel.
with this in mind, this could mean there is very strong backing for kerry.
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I support the wall.
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i dont understand how 'the wall' can be right..
the situation there is so fucked though... neither side deserves shit
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The wall has proved its effectivity, so I support the wall.
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jeez...
the only way this shit is gonna get resolved in my eyes is when (not IF) israel is exposed to have done something utterly horrendous.. to me its a ticking time bomb.
you really support the oppresion of palestinians?
you really think they should be treated like prisoners in their own country?
only one country in the whole world support the israelie govt. thats only because its politicail suicide to count out the jewish vote there.
but lately even america has been critical of some things.
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It's not that simple, really. Of course I don't support oppresion, but you gotta realize that there are less suicide bombings in Israel since this wall. Maybe the wall isn't exactly built on the right place, but that is another story and I don't really have an opinion about that, but like I said: I support the wall because it doesn't allow suicide bombers to go to Israel.
Now please don't think I stand on the side of Israel in this conflict because I don't. The whole situation over there is messed up and there are crooks and terrorists on both sides.
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http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/af/content/this_land_af
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to those in favour of the wall. think of this scenario it would be like america going into mexico bludozering down a load of towns, famrs etc. to and building a wall on that land, it just would never happen, no one would agree to that. if a country wants to build an illegal wall to protect themselves i guess thats ok on the condition it was built on their own land not in anouther country all together. another to point to think about when the boarders of israel is still under negotiation in the road map building a wall makes these negotiations irrelivant israel is unilaterally decideding their hugely extended boarders.
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palestinians agree with me too
Michael Tarazi, a legal advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organisation, told the BBC's World Today programme that the Israelis had a right to "build a wall on their own property but not on territory that does not belong to it".
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oppression of palestinians belongs to the last things in the world I'd support.
it will never end tho as long as the USA is in power. Israel / USA can do as many atrocities as they want, because noone can match them.
I mean seriously. What can possibly happen worse than USA goin to Iraq randomly without any WMD stationed there + well-known rumours about some conspiracy 9/11 stuff. Noone does anything though. Bush is even probably reelected LMAO.
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1st I have a problem with the negative use or the term terrorism, as stupid as it may sound.
Ill explain why. If America attacks Iraq randomly and fucks up Palestina ... what the hell are they supposed to do in return? I mean, in straight war they havent the slightest chance against a US-supported Israel or against the USA. Or can you imagine Iraq bombs droppin on NY, Middle Eastern tanks fuckin up Boston and Iraqi soldiers gunning down LA? LoL. Most unrealistic thing Ive ever imagined. So they perform some terrorism, that's just the way they fight their war, since they have no other possibilities to strike back.
Ppl act like terrorism was worse than unjustified war. What a stupid idea.
And now dont come with me being a Terrorist-Supporter or whatever bullshit .. cause Im just saying I dont see how terror on America in return to unjustified war is worse than the unjustified war itself. And we all know how much I hate these wars, so just go by the equivalent principe that I hate terrorism equally.
Great reply. Almost every post you made on this thread I wanted to quote.
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1st I have a problem with the negative use or the term terrorism, as stupid as it may sound.
Ill explain why. If America attacks Iraq randomly and fucks up Palestina ... what the hell are they supposed to do in return? I mean, in straight war they havent the slightest chance against a US-supported Israel or against the USA. Or can you imagine Iraq bombs droppin on NY, Middle Eastern tanks fuckin up Boston and Iraqi soldiers gunning down LA? LoL. Most unrealistic thing Ive ever imagined. So they perform some terrorism, that's just the way they fight their war, since they have no other possibilities to strike back.
Ppl act like terrorism was worse than unjustified war. What a stupid idea.
And now dont come with me being a Terrorist-Supporter or whatever bullshit .. cause Im just saying I dont see how terror on America in return to unjustified war is worse than the unjustified war itself. And we all know how much I hate these wars, so just go by the equivalent principe that I hate terrorism equally.
Great reply. Almost every post you made on this thread I wanted to quote.
thanks, it's rare ppl admit/proclaim that they appreciate my posts ;)
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those crazy jews... what will they think of next :)
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yeah 7seven your better at politics, stick to it and stay out of the sports forum, lol ;)
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jeez...
the only way this shit is gonna get resolved in my eyes is when (not IF) israel is exposed to have done something utterly horrendous.. to me its a ticking time bomb.
you really support the oppresion of palestinians?
you really think they should be treated like prisoners in their own country?
only one country in the whole world support the israelie govt. thats only because its politicail suicide to count out the jewish vote there.
but lately even america has been critical of some things.
I jus luv when europeans do anything to contredict the U.S....They play their lil political overweighting game and people are dieing all over the world, and corruption prevails....
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This is a fuckin anti-Jewish convention, The Jewish Lobby....bla bla.....Jews rule the world, Jews this Jews that, I think some of u guys could've been fans of Hitler...Go draw a picture of A spider alike Jew that holds the whole Earth hostage in it's net...Go back to the dark ages...If Jews did have all this control, believe me we wouldn't have faced all the shit we've faced for the last couple of thousand years.
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and that gives you a right to oppress palestinians? thats justification?
this is NOTHING to do with being jewish. i couldnt give a fuck if you were christian, or muslim either.
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This is a fuckin anti-Jewish convention, The Jewish Lobby....bla bla.....Jews rule the world, Jews this Jews that, I think some of u guys could've been fans of Hitler...Go draw a picture of A spider alike Jew that holds the whole Earth hostage in it's net...Go back to the dark ages...If Jews did have all this control, believe me we wouldn't have faced all the shit we've faced for the last couple of thousand years.
I dont believe in religion - Jew - Muslim - Christ ... all the same to me. I even support the theory that those religions acutally are quite the same, believeing in the same god and stuff, I posted a excerpt from a book about that lately. I could care less if youre jewish or muslim. I dont believe in neither of those religions, and I definitely dont judge ppl by their religion. Unfortunately, most ppl do nowadays. It's almost like if Muslim is a synonym for Terrorist, and that's such a wicked shame.
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It's almost like if Muslim is a synonym for Terrorist, and that's such a wicked shame.
When 50% of the worlds main muslim country supports terrorists, what do you expect?
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This is a fuckin anti-Jewish convention
I agree.
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7even youre dead right
anyone who says that wall is right dont know shit
hajji thanks for the info didnt know that now i can say fuck kerry aswell
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*shakes head at some of these puppets still towing the official line*
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It's almost like if Muslim is a synonym for Terrorist, and that's such a wicked shame.
When 50% of the worlds main muslim country supports terrorists, what do you expect?
Ignorance and stupidity. So what's the MAIN Christian country?
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1st I have a problem with the negative use or the term terrorism, as stupid as it may sound.
Ill explain why. If America attacks Iraq randomly and fucks up Palestina ... what the hell are they supposed to do in return? I mean, in straight war they havent the slightest chance against a US-supported Israel or against the USA. Or can you imagine Iraq bombs droppin on NY, Middle Eastern tanks fuckin up Boston and Iraqi soldiers gunning down LA? LoL. Most unrealistic thing Ive ever imagined. So they perform some terrorism, that's just the way they fight their war, since they have no other possibilities to strike back.
Ppl act like terrorism was worse than unjustified war. What a stupid idea.
And now dont come with me being a Terrorist-Supporter or whatever bullshit .. cause Im just saying I dont see how terror on America in return to unjustified war is worse than the unjustified war itself. And we all know how much I hate these wars, so just go by the equivalent principe that I hate terrorism equally.
Great reply. Almost every post you made on this thread I wanted to quote.
thanks, it's rare ppl admit/proclaim that they appreciate my posts ;)
i do, i think we have similar views on lots of things
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It's almost like if Muslim is a synonym for Terrorist, and that's such a wicked shame.
When 50% of the worlds main muslim country supports terrorists, what do you expect?
when people think like that you only push them further towards the terrorists!
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It's almost like if Muslim is a synonym for Terrorist, and that's such a wicked shame.
When 50% of the worlds main muslim country supports terrorists, what do you expect?
Ignorance and stupidity. So what's the MAIN Christian country?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/08/poll.binladen/
Almost half of all Saudis said in a poll conducted last year that they have a favorable view of Osama bin Laden's sermons and rhetoric
I consider Saudi Arabia the "Home" of Islam because that is where Mecca is located.
Something isn't right when half of the Saudi Arabian population supports this guy.
There's a bad case of myopia that in my opinion, is caused by political correctness that is keeping the world from seeing the real threat posed by radical islam and it's apologists.
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It's almost like if Muslim is a synonym for Terrorist, and that's such a wicked shame.
When 50% of the worlds main muslim country supports terrorists, what do you expect?
when people think like that you only push them further towards the terrorists!
Show me 50% of any other religion that supports murder and terroristic rhetoric. I'd really like to know more. Thanks.
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christians and jews have supported wars which have killed millians of innocent civillians in the last 50 year or so alone
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christians and jews have supported wars which have killed millians of innocent civillians in the last 50 year or so alone
Show me facts where 50% of Christians or Jews support the killing of others solely based on their religion.
Show me facts where 50% of Christians or Jews supported the killing of innocent civilians.
Show me facts where 50% of Christians or Jews supported acts anywhere near the scale of 9/11, or 3/11, or Bali, or Nigeria.
Show me facts where 50% of Christians or Jews supported killing in the name of their religion.
I eagerly await your reply.
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we have support for wars where these civillians are killed, and we vote our governments into power so we are responsible for what they do. when america dropped the nukes on japan and left over 100k civillians dead apparantly it was the greatest day in history according to the american president. in the korean war american solders salughtered thousands of women and children refugees fleaing north korea. most americans support the war in iraq 3 times the amount of civillians who died in 9/11 have been killed. the majority of americans and israeli's support what the israel army has done to the palestinians. i cud go on. also ask yourself why they support them what has america done for them other than meddled in there countries and and killed thousands of muslims.
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and that gives you a right to oppress palestinians? thats justification?
this is NOTHING to do with being jewish. i couldnt give a fuck if you were christian, or muslim either.
but I guess it gives them a right to kill Israeli cevillians and helps them gain condonation for their dids, cause "Jews rule the world, they oppress, they do whatever the fuck they wanna do and they manipulate USA and they're also greedy", They are oppresed by their own leadership not by Israel, Israel simply retaliates.
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we have support for wars where these civillians are killed, and we vote our governments into power so we are responsible for what they do. when america dropped the nukes on japan and left over 100k civillians dead apparantly it was the greatest day in history according to the american president. in the korean war american solders salughtered thousands of women and children refugees fleaing north korea. most americans support the war in iraq 3 times the amount of civillians who died in 9/11 have been killed. the majority of americans and israeli's support what the israel army has done to the palestinians. i cud go on. also ask yourself why they support them what has america done for them other than meddled in there countries and and killed thousands of muslims.
So you equate a war between nations, to an attack carried out by individuals in the name of religion? You can't be that ignorant.
Show me the last time Japanese men flew planes into our building based on religion.
I didn't know that Korean men were blowing up nightclubs trying to kill westerners.
Last time I checked, We gave nearly as much money to Egypt as we did Israel. Isn't Egypt a predominately Muslim country?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not Anti-Muslim, but when 50% of a population supports Osama Bin Laden, a mass murderer, somethings not right.
You can't fix a problem you don't acknowledge as broken. Islam needs reform. You aren't helping the problem with your apologist views.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not Anti-Muslim, but when 50% of a population supports Osama Bin Laden, a mass murderer, somethings not right.
Actually, over 80% of the Palestinians supports the Hamas movement. I mean, WHAT THE FUCK?!
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i wouldnt worry about all this God is coming soon for the salt
once the 10 nations surround Israel
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i wouldnt worry about all this God is coming soon for the salt
once the 10 nations surround Israel
oh please... ::)
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oppression of palestinians belongs to the last things in the world I'd support.
it will never end tho as long as the USA is in power. Israel / USA can do as many atrocities as they want, because noone can match them.
I mean seriously. What can possibly happen worse than USA goin to Iraq randomly without any WMD stationed there + well-known rumours about some conspiracy 9/11 stuff. Noone does anything though. Bush is even probably reelected LMAO.
What can possibly be worse you ask. The Rape of Nan King, thats one example.
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I'm voting for him not his brother. I have a feeling his brother won't have that great of an influence on him.
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i wouldnt worry about all this God is coming soon for the salt
once the 10 nations surround Israel
oh please... ::)
if u dont care y post
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i dont understand how 'the wall' can be right..
the situation there is so fucked though... neither side deserves shit
Basically, yup. The Wall symbolizes Israel's attempt to give up on the situation. If It was my decision, I don't know that it would be any different. They can't keep on killing each other forever. Oh wait a minute, I forgot I'm Christian. They will go on killing each other, until Armageddon. As a matter of fact, the bible mentions all of this and more, and if the bible holds true, it's just gonna keep getting worse and worse and worse. Jerusalem won't see peace until Christ's millineum is ushered in.
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to those in favour of the wall. think of this scenario it would be like america going into mexico bludozering down a load of towns, famrs etc. to and building a wall on that land, it just would never happen, no one would agree to that. if a country wants to build an illegal wall to protect themselves i guess thats ok on the condition it was built on their own land not in anouther country all together. another to point to think about when the boarders of israel is still under negotiation in the road map building a wall makes these negotiations irrelivant israel is unilaterally decideding their hugely extended boarders.
that's a grossly improper analogy. First, Mexico and the United States have a civil relationship, even if we don't agree on a lot of things. No American (I.E., me) wishes any harm on Mexico, and we don't want a wall between the two countries, because they're civilized human beings whom we get along with. The latino population in America is growing by leaps and bounds, and some people are pissed off about it, but we're not talking about killing people here. We would never think of putting a bomb on a bus full of Mexican children, and they would never think of doing that to us, either. So comparing the U.S. and Mexico with Palestine and Israel is rediculous. They have a totally different situation over there, so no, it would not be like us bulldozing into Mexico and building a wall on their land. It would be nothing like that.
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i dont understand how 'the wall' can be right..
the situation there is so fucked though... neither side deserves shit
Basically, yup. The Wall symbolizes Israel's attempt to give up on the situation. If It was my decision, I don't know that it would be any different. They can't keep on killing each other forever. Oh wait a minute, I forgot I'm Christian. They will go on killing each other, until Armageddon. As a matter of fact, the bible mentions all of this and more, and if the bible holds true, it's just gonna keep getting worse and worse and worse. Jerusalem won't see peace until Christ's millineum is ushered in.
Very true words
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Basically, yup. The Wall symbolizes Israel's attempt to give up on the situation. If It was my decision, I don't know that it would be any different. They can't keep on killing each other forever. Oh wait a minute, I forgot I'm Christian. They will go on killing each other, until Armageddon. As a matter of fact, the bible mentions all of this and more, and if the bible holds true, it's just gonna keep getting worse and worse and worse. Jerusalem won't see peace until Christ's millineum is ushered in.
Exactly
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Englewood
since when does "having a favourable impression of his sermouns and rhetoric" amount to supporting Al Qaeda and its actions?
Again, u totally completely ignore what conditions have led to an entire regions population hating the Americans so much that an Osama speech appeals to them.
You ignore the crimes of your govt and its agencies. You ignore the influence foreign interests have in Washington. You ignore the sufferings by Muslims at the hands of Americans and Israelis. You cry about Osama Bin Laden, some Saudi playboy-cum-mujahid, propped up by you guys of course who -according to the most liberal of estimates- has about what? 5,000 lives on his head?
But ignore the millions of Muslim deaths on your govts head. You ignore, or are legitimately ignorant to, this disgusting evil system that is the U.S. govt, polluted and corrupted by the stench of money and blood. As Killa Cam would say, the shits disgusting. You are blind. You are blind to what is going on around you while your head is lost in the capitalist, God Bless America, clouds. You only see Black and White. And my friend, this shit aint that simple.
Mauzip, pray tell. Can you please tell me what an angry Palestinian is supposed to support? A baricaded powerless and useless Arafat or the glorious IDF? Your delicate self can never begin to imagine the conditions a Palestinian lives in. Forget about actually physically experiencing it your self. If I was born a Palestinian I would have been dead by now. The Palestinians have gotten one of the biggest dick in the mouth, historically speaking. I mean, its not that they were just defeated militarily, they get evicted from their land, out of no where by a bunch of Europeans. Their Arab brothers fail pathetically to do justice. Israelis take more land. Create a nation out of the ashes of theirs. Become one of the most powerful nations on Earth. Continue to slap Palestinians around. And now thanks to revesionist historians and this facade we call the media, have managed to turn the Palestinians into the bad guys. Which all comes back to pussy Dutch she-men complaining about "80% of Palestinians support Hamas, like,.....Oh my God"
Pathetic
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Englewood
since when does "having a favourable impression of his sermouns and rhetoric" amount to supporting Al Qaeda and its actions?
"I don't support Hitler, I just really like what he has to say!" How dumb does that sound?
Again, u totally completely ignore what conditions have led to an entire regions population hating the Americans so much that an Osama speech appeals to them.
These debate tactics don't work. You can only push the blame on other for so long before it becomes transparent. Bali, Jakarta, Luxor, Morroco, Turkey, Spain, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Bagdad, Tunisia, Thailand, southern Philippines. I guess all these places have been part of the worldwide oppression right? The blame for Islamic terrorism only can be directed at one thing. The people that commit the acts. Scapegoating doesn't work.
Can you deny the fact that millions of dollars in oil money from Saudi Arabia went to funding groups like Hamas? Wouldn't that money be better spent on urban improvement? Something besides fueling the hate of these people?
It's funny to me that these people have no personal responsibility for their own actions and their society's obvious failures. "It's not our own decaying society's fault, It's AMERICA!!!! BLAME AMERICA!!!"
These people preach hate, death, and terror, and 50% of a population will support it. But hey, it's just their culture right?
Osama Bin Laden, Abu Hamza, Omar Bakri and countless other hatemongers have said repeatedly that they want to Install Sharia everywhere. Is this because of the "Aggression" or is it the islamists that are persuing the aggression?
Believe what you want to, but it's obvious that Islam needs reform across the world.
And the suffering of the poor? There has been study after study saying that most terrorists aren't from some poor section of town and have nothing to look forward to. Did you know that only "13 percent of Palestinian suicide bombers live in poverty?" That is fucking minimal. Did you know that 57% of Palestinian suicide bombers have an education beyond high school? http://www.discover.com/issues/oct-03/departments/featdialogue/
Did you ever think to look beyond the "Great Satan" for the REAL ROOT of the problem? Islamic based governments that withold freedoms from individuals. The study above DID show that poverty wasn't a factor, but lack of civil liberties was. Who's to blame for that one?
Your argument is "Pathetic"
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to those in favour of the wall. think of this scenario it would be like america going into mexico bludozering down a load of towns, famrs etc. to and building a wall on that land, it just would never happen, no one would agree to that. if a country wants to build an illegal wall to protect themselves i guess thats ok on the condition it was built on their own land not in anouther country all together. another to point to think about when the boarders of israel is still under negotiation in the road map building a wall makes these negotiations irrelivant israel is unilaterally decideding their hugely extended boarders.
that's a grossly improper analogy. First, Mexico and the United States have a civil relationship, even if we don't agree on a lot of things. No American (I.E., me) wishes any harm on Mexico, and we don't want a wall between the two countries, because they're civilized human beings whom we get along with. The latino population in America is growing by leaps and bounds, and some people are pissed off about it, but we're not talking about killing people here. We would never think of putting a bomb on a bus full of Mexican children, and they would never think of doing that to us, either. So comparing the U.S. and Mexico with Palestine and Israel is rediculous. They have a totally different situation over there, so no, it would not be like us bulldozing into Mexico and building a wall on their land. It would be nothing like that.
you knew exactly what i meant it was a hyperthetical thing i know there is no current situation between the 2 countries which would warrant a wall but say u were living how the israelis and palestinians are do u think americans would do the same to mexico? if a wall were to be built it would go on american land
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Englewood
since when does "having a favourable impression of his sermouns and rhetoric" amount to supporting Al Qaeda and its actions?
"I don't support Hitler, I just really like what he has to say!" How dumb does that sound?
Again, u totally completely ignore what conditions have led to an entire regions population hating the Americans so much that an Osama speech appeals to them.
These debate tactics don't work. You can only push the blame on other for so long before it becomes transparent. Bali, Jakarta, Luxor, Morroco, Turkey, Spain, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Bagdad, Tunisia, Thailand, southern Philippines. I guess all these places have been part of the worldwide oppression right? The blame for Islamic terrorism only can be directed at one thing. The people that commit the acts. Scapegoating doesn't work.
Can you deny the fact that millions of dollars in oil money from Saudi Arabia went to funding groups like Hamas? Wouldn't that money be better spent on urban improvement? Something besides fueling the hate of these people?
It's funny to me that these people have no personal responsibility for their own actions and their society's obvious failures. "It's not our own decaying society's fault, It's AMERICA!!!! BLAME AMERICA!!!"
These people preach hate, death, and terror, and 50% of a population will support it. But hey, it's just their culture right?
Osama Bin Laden, Abu Hamza, Omar Bakri and countless other hatemongers have said repeatedly that they want to Install Sharia everywhere. Is this because of the "Aggression" or is it the islamists that are persuing the aggression?
Believe what you want to, but it's obvious that Islam needs reform across the world.
And the suffering of the poor? There has been study after study saying that most terrorists aren't from some poor section of town and have nothing to look forward to. Did you know that only "13 percent of Palestinian suicide bombers live in poverty?" That is fucking minimal. Did you know that 57% of Palestinian suicide bombers have an education beyond high school? http://www.discover.com/issues/oct-03/departments/featdialogue/
Did you ever think to look beyond the "Great Satan" for the REAL ROOT of the problem? Islamic based governments that withold freedoms from individuals. The study above DID show that poverty wasn't a factor, but lack of civil liberties was. Who's to blame for that one?
Your argument is "Pathetic"
and oil isn't the reason we have a military presence there?
i'm not suprised hamas has so much support in palestine look how the israelis have treated them and hamas fights back by your reconing they should just bend over and take it. true arafrat isn't the best leader but the real problem is israel.
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Englewood
since when does "having a favourable impression of his sermouns and rhetoric" amount to supporting Al Qaeda and its actions?
"I don't support Hitler, I just really like what he has to say!" How dumb does that sound?
Again, u totally completely ignore what conditions have led to an entire regions population hating the Americans so much that an Osama speech appeals to them.
These debate tactics don't work. You can only push the blame on other for so long before it becomes transparent. Bali, Jakarta, Luxor, Morroco, Turkey, Spain, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Bagdad, Tunisia, Thailand, southern Philippines. I guess all these places have been part of the worldwide oppression right? The blame for Islamic terrorism only can be directed at one thing. The people that commit the acts. Scapegoating doesn't work.
Can you deny the fact that millions of dollars in oil money from Saudi Arabia went to funding groups like Hamas? Wouldn't that money be better spent on urban improvement? Something besides fueling the hate of these people?
It's funny to me that these people have no personal responsibility for their own actions and their society's obvious failures. "It's not our own decaying society's fault, It's AMERICA!!!! BLAME AMERICA!!!"
These people preach hate, death, and terror, and 50% of a population will support it. But hey, it's just their culture right?
Osama Bin Laden, Abu Hamza, Omar Bakri and countless other hatemongers have said repeatedly that they want to Install Sharia everywhere. Is this because of the "Aggression" or is it the islamists that are persuing the aggression?
Believe what you want to, but it's obvious that Islam needs reform across the world.
And the suffering of the poor? There has been study after study saying that most terrorists aren't from some poor section of town and have nothing to look forward to. Did you know that only "13 percent of Palestinian suicide bombers live in poverty?" That is fucking minimal. Did you know that 57% of Palestinian suicide bombers have an education beyond high school? http://www.discover.com/issues/oct-03/departments/featdialogue/
Did you ever think to look beyond the "Great Satan" for the REAL ROOT of the problem? Islamic based governments that withold freedoms from individuals. The study above DID show that poverty wasn't a factor, but lack of civil liberties was. Who's to blame for that one?
Your argument is "Pathetic"
and oil isn't the reason we have a military presence there?
i'm not suprised hamas has so much support in palestine look how the israelis have treated them and hamas fights back by your reconing they should just bend over and take it. true arafrat isn't the best leader but the real problem is israel.
Oil? In Palestine?
I don't know if it's cause you aren't smart enough, or you just haven't done any research, but please don't come back until you have something to add to the discussion. As of now, all I see is bad spelling and morally bankrupt arguments repeated over and over.
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Can you deny the fact that millions of dollars in oil money from Saudi Arabia went to funding groups like Hamas? Wouldn't that money be better spent on urban improvement? Something besides fueling the hate of these people?
and i never said oil was in palestine you are just ignorant of the truth
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Super! Now you're quoting me!
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you have no argument so resort to picking at my spelling and u know what i don't have time to worry about spelling as i am actually at work and only come here for a couple of minutes at time i actually have stuff to be getting on with and couldn't care less if something is spelt wrong i'm not writing a fucking report.
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Super! Now you're quoting me!
Congrats! Here's another button you need to learn how to use:
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Everybody does typos. It's still funny when you do one in the same post in which you're already clowning somebody for the same thing.
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Can you deny the fact that millions of dollars in oil money from Saudi Arabia went to funding groups like Hamas? Wouldn't that money be better spent on urban improvement? Something besides fueling the hate of these people?
and i never said oil was in palestine you are just ignorant of the truth
and oil isn't the reason we have a military presence there?
i'm not suprised hamas has so much support in palestine look how the israelis have treated them and hamas fights back by your reconing they should just bend over and take it. true arafrat isn't the best leader but the real problem is israel.
I guess I'm the confused one then...
How am I ignorant when I completely shut you down?
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Super! Now you're quoting me!
Congrats! Here's another button you need to learn how to use:
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Can you deny the fact that millions of dollars in oil money from Saudi Arabia went to funding groups like Hamas? Wouldn't that money be better spent on urban improvement? Something besides fueling the hate of these people?
and i never said oil was in palestine you are just ignorant of the truth
and oil isn't the reason we have a military presence there?
i'm not suprised hamas has so much support in palestine look how the israelis have treated them and hamas fights back by your reconing they should just bend over and take it. true arafrat isn't the best leader but the real problem is israel.
I guess I'm the confused one then...
How am I ignorant when I completely shut you down?
you didn't shut me down
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you didn't shut me down
christians and jews have supported wars which have killed millians of innocent civillians in the last 50 year or so alone
Show me facts where 50% of Christians or Jews support the killing of others solely based on their religion.
Show me facts where 50% of Christians or Jews supported the killing of innocent civilians.
Show me facts where 50% of Christians or Jews supported acts anywhere near the scale of 9/11, or 3/11, or Bali, or Nigeria.
Show me facts where 50% of Christians or Jews supported killing in the name of their religion.
I eagerly await your reply.
we have support for wars where these civillians are killed, and we vote our governments into power so we are responsible for what they do. when america dropped the nukes on japan and left over 100k civillians dead apparantly it was the greatest day in history according to the american president. in the korean war american solders salughtered thousands of women and children refugees fleaing north korea. most americans support the war in iraq 3 times the amount of civillians who died in 9/11 have been killed. the majority of americans and israeli's support what the israel army has done to the palestinians. i cud go on. also ask yourself why they support them what has america done for them other than meddled in there countries and and killed thousands of muslims.
So you equate a war between nations, to an attack carried out by individuals in the name of religion? You can't be that ignorant.
Show me the last time Japanese men flew planes into our building based on religion.
I didn't know that Korean men were blowing up nightclubs trying to kill westerners.
Last time I checked, We gave nearly as much money to Egypt as we did Israel. Isn't Egypt a predominately Muslim country?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not Anti-Muslim, but when 50% of a population supports Osama Bin Laden, a mass murderer, somethings not right.
You can't fix a problem you don't acknowledge as broken. Islam needs reform. You aren't helping the problem with your apologist views.
What was that then?
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Mauzip, pray tell. Can you please tell me what an angry Palestinian is supposed to support? A baricaded powerless and useless Arafat or the glorious IDF? Your delicate self can never begin to imagine the conditions a Palestinian lives in. Forget about actually physically experiencing it your self. If I was born a Palestinian I would have been dead by now. The Palestinians have gotten one of the biggest dick in the mouth, historically speaking. I mean, its not that they were just defeated militarily, they get evicted from their land, out of no where by a bunch of Europeans. Their Arab brothers fail pathetically to do justice. Israelis take more land. Create a nation out of the ashes of theirs. Become one of the most powerful nations on Earth. Continue to slap Palestinians around. And now thanks to revesionist historians and this facade we call the media, have managed to turn the Palestinians into the bad guys. Which all comes back to pussy Dutch she-men complaining about "80% of Palestinians support Hamas, like,.....Oh my God"
You really don't get it, do you? If more than 80% of the Palestinians supports the Hamas, then to me more than 80% of the Palestinians is evil. Period.
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Mauzip, pray tell. Can you please tell me what an angry Palestinian is supposed to support? A baricaded powerless and useless Arafat or the glorious IDF? Your delicate self can never begin to imagine the conditions a Palestinian lives in. Forget about actually physically experiencing it your self. If I was born a Palestinian I would have been dead by now. The Palestinians have gotten one of the biggest dick in the mouth, historically speaking. I mean, its not that they were just defeated militarily, they get evicted from their land, out of no where by a bunch of Europeans. Their Arab brothers fail pathetically to do justice. Israelis take more land. Create a nation out of the ashes of theirs. Become one of the most powerful nations on Earth. Continue to slap Palestinians around. And now thanks to revesionist historians and this facade we call the media, have managed to turn the Palestinians into the bad guys. Which all comes back to pussy Dutch she-men complaining about "80% of Palestinians support Hamas, like,.....Oh my God"
You really don't get it, do you? If more than 80% of the Palestinians supports the Hamas, then to me more than 80% of the Palestinians is evil. Period.
you fail to comprehend the complexity of the situation for one hamas a group who oppose an israeli occupation have been fighting back which is why they support them. you hear terrorist and they are automatically evil in your opinion but then you fail to condem israel who kill way more innocent civillians/
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dude, i know all that. do i have to repeat 100 times that they're wrong from both sides?
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That Mexican analogy has to be one of the dumbest ever... :D
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Again, Englewood, you refuse to man up and accept the blood on your hands.
Muslims didnt start this conflict, so I can go back and forth with u all day, u cant win.
You mention Saudis giving Hamas money. Who funds the Saudis? Who props up their govt?
You mention civil liberties and the lack of freedom. There is NOT ONE authentic Islamic govt. All of them are dictatorships or monarchies, 90% of them supported BY YOUR GOVT.
Egypt
Jordan
All the Gulf Emirates
Saudis
Iraq
Morrocoo
Tunisia
Algeria
off the top off my head, Muslim countries where there are no civil liberties and are supported by your govt.
All so, by failing to recognize your crimes, you fail to recognize the context in which the Muslim response appears. There is genuine hatred for America, and then there is the extremist version of this hatred. Which has political dimensions, is organized more or less along the same lines by Wahhabis.
All those places u named, are all Wahhabi influenced.
You mention 3 names, like that is supposed to impress Tech, yes yes, those 3 people speak for 1.3 billion Muslims.
You cry and worry about a handful of extremists doing random car bombings around the world but u dont say nothing about the crimes u commit/
Albert Einstein once said, and Im paraphrasing..
"To solve a problem, u cannot think with the same mentaity u had in creating it"
And Hitler's murders and views were irrational. Bin Ladens is too, but it is in response to American aggression.
Seriously, it is a diservice to me to continue debating with you. Your mentality is so pigeon holed its not even funny anymore
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Lol...The fuckin Israelis used to fund Hamas in the 70's to undermine Arafat, and you pussies are crying over this? With all the bullshit in the world, Hamas is the least of your problems...lol
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christians and jews have supported wars which have killed millians of innocent civillians in the last 50 year or so alone
Show me facts where 50% of Christians or Jews support the killing of others solely based on their religion.
Show me facts where 50% of Christians or Jews supported the killing of innocent civilians.
Show me facts where 50% of Christians or Jews supported acts anywhere near the scale of 9/11, or 3/11, or Bali, or Nigeria.
Show me facts where 50% of Christians or Jews supported killing in the name of their religion.
What about the crusades?????????
I eagerly await your reply.