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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: tommyilromano on August 20, 2004, 10:19:12 PM
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I know you have heard liberals say all cultures are equal however; if they were why are there different results? Western accomplishments in science and technology as well as respect for human rights that is expressed in the constitution. American Indians were less accomplished because they didn't build anything as well as didn't invent nothing because before the arrival of the Europeans to America, this land was nothing along with other lands in various parts of the world. They as well as other peoples didn't have a respect for human rights and didn't understand it because it wasn't a part of their world view. To make this point offends many who believe in multiculturalism. Can you say that a culture is superior to another culture or is that arrogance? Or to believe in the multicultural view is being politically correct? Are some cures for diseases more important than others? Why that the Bushmen never developed civilization and to point that out and to suggest that their is something wrong with their culture is controversial or is there a different angle on this. Can you say that since capitalism developed in the west is there something wrong with the African culture? Is Western culture superior to Arabic culture? It is a fact that people in the West enjoy a higher standard of living. I would like your response in some detail... 8)
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All cultures are equal.
All of them are the same fascinating thing and all of them have their own positive and negative points.
I don't believe so many of you (judging from the poll) seem to be under the impression some cultures ( western culture *cough cough*) are 'better' then others.
The very fact 'our' culture is the dominant one is no argument for superiority. As a rule,the most generalised things survive, and compared to other cultures many of our culture's characteristics are indeed mild. We haven't got extreme values about peaceful living, total-destruction of different cultures and such like many other cultures (used to) have. Tibetans are much more peaceful then we are and quite free of imperialism and will to change and dominate. This could be a powerful reason for saying their culture is in some way 'higher' developed just as in our case our medical achievements are. But no culture exceeds others in all aspects of development and thus no culture can be seen as superior.
We shouldn't forget to name coincedence as a factor complementing to the reason our culture is the dominant one. For example, hadn't the Chinese,who were building an empire in medieval times, stopped their imperialistic motives like they chose to, the situation might have been very different.
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All cultures are equal.
All of them are the same fascinating thing and all of them have their own positive and negative points.
I don't believe so many of you (judging from the poll) seem to be under the impression some cultures ( western culture *cough cough*) are 'better' then others.
The very fact 'our' culture is the dominant one is no argument for superiority. As a rule,the most generalised things survive, and compared to other cultures many of our culture's characteristics are indeed mild. We haven't got extreme values about peaceful living, total-destruction of different cultures and such like many other cultures (used to) have. Tibetans are much more peaceful then we are and quite free of imperialism and will to change and dominate. This could be a powerful reason for saying their culture is in some way 'higher' developed just as in our case our medical achievements are. But no culture exceeds others in all aspects of development and thus no culture can be seen as superior.
We shouldn't forget to name coincedence as a factor complementing to the reason our culture is the dominant one. For example, hadn't the Chinese,who were building an empire in medieval times, stopped their imperialistic motives like they chose to, the situation might have been very different.
Co-Sign, i picked equality
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The very fact 'our' culture is the dominant one is no argument for superiority.
That's all you had to say, man
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I know you have heard liberals say all cultures are equal however; if they were why are there different results? Western accomplishments in science and technology as well as respect for human rights that is expressed in the constitution. American Indians were less accomplished because they didn't build anything as well as didn't invent nothing because before the arrival of the Europeans to America, this land was nothing along with other lands in various parts of the world. They as well as other peoples didn't have a respect for human rights and didn't understand it because it wasn't a part of their world view. To make this point offends many who believe in multiculturalism. Can you say that a culture is superior to another culture or is that arrogance? Or to believe in the multicultural view is being politically correct? Are some cures for diseases more important than others? Why that the Bushmen never developed civilization and to point that out and to suggest that their is something wrong with their culture is controversial or is there a different angle on this. Can you say that since capitalism developed in the west is there something wrong with the African culture? Is Western culture superior to Arabic culture? It is a fact that people in the West enjoy a higher standard of living. I would like your response in some detail... 8)
America is the biggest human rights violator in the world. The country was founded in genocide. They first massacred a Nation of Native Americans. Then they progressed on the backs of African slaves. Today, they are advancing through a military industry that probably just killed another 100 or so people today, this week, and it continues. 100's of thousands have died in Central America and Asia because of the United States, and the United States is the only country to have used Nuclear Weapons.
The difference is, that when the Islamic cutlure riegned supreme in the middle ages, none of the technology they developed was harmful to the enviroment. It was through Muslim Spain, that the rest of Europe climbed out of the dark ages. Out of Muslim Spain came much of the good technology and sciences that the world is still running on today. Muslims discovered gravity long before Newton, Muslims invented Algebra (Al-Jabeer), the number zero, advanced in chemistry, named many of the stars during advances in astrology, invented the compass, had the first map of the world as we know it today, and on and on and on. If the Islamic culture, with it's hieghts reaching to Western Spain, had developed Nuclear Energy, they would have used it to provide Energy to all the people living without basic life resources, they would not have used it to drop atomic weapons on Japan and threaten countries around the world.
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No, all cultures are not equal. All people are equal, however. America is obviously a superior culture over others that don't have the freedoms we have, etc.
All people are equal from birth, however. A black child born in L'cote D'Voire is just as important, special, and has as much potential as the children that will be born to me. As a result of our cultures, however, my child will probably have more opportunities, since our culture is generally superior.
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No, all cultures are not equal. All people are equal, however. America is obviously a superior culture over others that don't have the freedoms we have, etc.
All people are equal from birth, however. A black child born in L'cote D'Voire is just as important, special, and has as much potential as the children that will be born to me. As a result of our cultures, however, my child will probably have more opportunities, since our culture is generally superior.
That contradicts your previous statement you made about an American soldier dying being 10,000 or so times worse than someone else dying.
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No, all cultures are not equal. All people are equal, however. America is obviously a superior culture over others that don't have the freedoms we have, etc.
All people are equal from birth, however. A black child born in L'cote D'Voire is just as important, special, and has as much potential as the children that will be born to me. As a result of our cultures, however, my child will probably have more opportunities, since our culture is generally superior.
That contradicts your previous statement you made about an American soldier dying being 10,000 or so times worse than someone else dying.
No it doesn't. It just shows you have no clue what the fuck I'm talking about, and can't comprehend discussions on my level of intellect.
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No, all cultures are not equal. All people are equal, however. America is obviously a superior culture over others that don't have the freedoms we have, etc.
All people are equal from birth, however. A black child born in L'cote D'Voire is just as important, special, and has as much potential as the children that will be born to me. As a result of our cultures, however, my child will probably have more opportunities, since our culture is generally superior.
True talk. For the ones that are not with me in this one:
There are many cultures where women do not have equal rights as men and 13 year old girls get babies because in that culture people think you need to get as many children as you can. Therefore men of all ages fuck girls who just had their first period.
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Of course all cultures arent equal.
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America is obviously a superior culture over others that don't have the freedoms we have, etc.
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Who do you consider "others".. ??
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True talk. For the ones that are not with me in this one:
There are many cultures where women do not have equal rights as men and 13 year old girls get babies because in that culture people think you need to get as many children as you can. Therefore men of all ages fuck girls who just had their first period.
So your saying that doesn't happen in America, right? 13 year old women aren't having sex and having babies in America, is that what your saying?
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Equal, no, but similar, yes.
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First, I am not American. I am Sicilian/Castilian and this is not about America this is about the shared culture of the West in general and there are parallels. In this world the strong survive. Also it was through Muslim Spain anything was accomplished it was through Roman Catholic Spain and the other Latin European peoples. While it is true Arabic culture was dominant long ago that all came to an end after the Mongols conquered them and changed them forever. Like I said the strong survive and prosper.
If you honestly believe Islam, which is a religion not a culture, would have used Nuclear energy for all good you are mistaken. While there is no way to know for certain since it didn't happen the fundamentalism that goes hand in hand with Islam allows me to make my assumption. Also stop talking about Islam as if it is one unified people it isn't. I currently live in Turkey and I can tell you Turkish Muslims are nothing like those who live in Saudi Arabia or Iran. They are more like western Christians (semi-religious) then the hard-core stock that comes from further south. Also, even the fundis are identical because there is the Shiates and the Sunnis. Islam isn't unified so stop speaking as if it is.
I know you have heard liberals say all cultures are equal however; if they were why are there different results? Western accomplishments in science and technology as well as respect for human rights that is expressed in the constitution. American Indians were less accomplished because they didn't build anything as well as didn't invent nothing because before the arrival of the Europeans to America, this land was nothing along with other lands in various parts of the world. They as well as other peoples didn't have a respect for human rights and didn't understand it because it wasn't a part of their world view. To make this point offends many who believe in multiculturalism. Can you say that a culture is superior to another culture or is that arrogance? Or to believe in the multicultural view is being politically correct? Are some cures for diseases more important than others? Why that the Bushmen never developed civilization and to point that out and to suggest that their is something wrong with their culture is controversial or is there a different angle on this. Can you say that since capitalism developed in the west is there something wrong with the African culture? Is Western culture superior to Arabic culture? It is a fact that people in the West enjoy a higher standard of living. I would like your response in some detail... 8)
America is the biggest human rights violator in the world. The country was founded in genocide. They first massacred a Nation of Native Americans. Then they progressed on the backs of African slaves. Today, they are advancing through a military industry that probably just killed another 100 or so people today, this week, and it continues. 100's of thousands have died in Central America and Asia because of the United States, and the United States is the only country to have used Nuclear Weapons.
The difference is, that when the Islamic cutlure riegned supreme in the middle ages, none of the technology they developed was harmful to the enviroment. It was through Muslim Spain, that the rest of Europe climbed out of the dark ages. Out of Muslim Spain came much of the good technology and sciences that the world is still running on today. Muslims discovered gravity long before Newton, Muslims invented Algebra (Al-Jabeer), the number zero, advanced in chemistry, named many of the stars during advances in astrology, invented the compass, had the first map of the world as we know it today, and on and on and on. If the Islamic culture, with it's hieghts reaching to Western Spain, had developed Nuclear Energy, they would have used it to provide Energy to all the people living without basic life resources, they would not have used it to drop atomic weapons on Japan and threaten countries around the world.
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Agreed
No, all cultures are not equal. All people are equal, however. America is obviously a superior culture over others that don't have the freedoms we have, etc.
All people are equal from birth, however. A black child born in L'cote D'Voire is just as important, special, and has as much potential as the children that will be born to me. As a result of our cultures, however, my child will probably have more opportunities, since our culture is generally superior.
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America is obviously a superior culture over others that don't have the freedoms we have, etc.
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Who do you consider "others".. ??
You'd just love for me to name names, wouldn't you?
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America is obviously a superior culture over others that don't have the freedoms we have, etc.
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Who do you consider "others".. ??
You'd just love for me to name names, wouldn't you?
Yeah, I would..
I'd like to know who you compare to, 3rd world countries or regimes.. ??
lol
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Western accomplishments in science and technology as well as respect for human rights that is expressed in the constitution. American Indians were less accomplished because they didn't build anything as well as didn't invent nothing because before the arrival of the Europeans to America, this land was nothing along with other lands in various parts of the world. They as well as other peoples didn't have a respect for human rights and didn't understand it because it wasn't a part of their world view.
Do you have any idea what you are saying, do you know any Native Americans? Do you know Native American culture, or the advancement of Native American culture. White societ discribes the Native American as a unruley savage that was in the way of John Wayne as he fought to push the United States foward. Of course this is all fantasy, but mainly people believe this view of the savage indian in the way of American progress. Let's take a closer look at Native American's shall we, or am I just wasting my time, because as a Native American, both from the United States and Mexico, I feel I should educate the uneducated so that they can understand my culture, and background more. But I feel that my words will fall on deaf ears, or blind eyes, or however you like it.
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you ain't 100% native american M-dogg....if you were you wouldn't be calling yourself native to america and mexico....you try to belittle someone else for being ignorant but your ignorant yourself....if you were a true Native american you would have no mexican roots....if you were a true native mexican you'd be living in southern/central mexico right now and you'd look alot different ....you have ZEREO resemblences to TRUE BLUE native americans and their characteristics....you're just a watered down spanish/aztec mexican llike almost every other hispanic living in america.
now back to the topic at hand.....
i believe in what trauma said ....no not every culture is equal....that is so fucking retarded to think that all cultures are equal (culture meaning way of life and here's the key .....dominance to others)
however all people are equal , i'm no more special in theory than some zulu african
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OK, you like Native American culture, great, but just because you like it doesn't mean it is equal to Western culture. The Indians in the Americas never stood a chance against the Europeans because there ways were inferior. Western man advanced while the Indians did not. I mean Cortez conquered the entire Aztec empire with like 200 people! Every culture has good qualities but no civilization put everything together like the West. This was due to the highly competitive nature of Europe and the fact that no one nation dominated. Yes, there were countries stronger than others but there was always balance in Europe where most other places there was only one game in town. I am not saying Europeans as individuals are superior but the culture is. What happened to the Indians is sad but La vita non e tutta rosa.
Western accomplishments in science and technology as well as respect for human rights that is expressed in the constitution. American Indians were less accomplished because they didn't build anything as well as didn't invent nothing because before the arrival of the Europeans to America, this land was nothing along with other lands in various parts of the world. They as well as other peoples didn't have a respect for human rights and didn't understand it because it wasn't a part of their world view.
Do you have any idea what you are saying, do you know any Native Americans? Do you know Native American culture, or the advancement of Native American culture. White societ discribes the Native American as a unruley savage that was in the way of John Wayne as he fought to push the United States foward. Of course this is all fantasy, but mainly people believe this view of the savage indian in the way of American progress. Let's take a closer look at Native American's shall we, or am I just wasting my time, because as a Native American, both from the United States and Mexico, I feel I should educate the uneducated so that they can understand my culture, and background more. But I feel that my words will fall on deaf ears, or blind eyes, or however you like it.
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^ i agree what happened to the indians was sad but inevitable. If one culture advances and one doesn't guess whose not making the cut.
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Yeah, but people in here would rather whine about it and talk about how bad America is. Every country, every civilization has blood on its hands.
^ i agree what happened to the indians was sad but inevitable. If one culture advances and one doesn't guess whose not making the cut.
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True talk. For the ones that are not with me in this one:
There are many cultures where women do not have equal rights as men and 13 year old girls get babies because in that culture people think you need to get as many children as you can. Therefore men of all ages fuck girls who just had their first period.
So your saying that doesn't happen in America, right? 13 year old women aren't having sex and having babies in America, is that what your saying?
In America it is not a cultural thing. When something like this happens in America we are talking about pedophiles, but when something like this happens in say Somalia we're not necessarily talking about pedophiles.
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First, I am not American. I am Sicilian/Castilian and this is not about America this is about the shared culture of the West in general and there are parallels. In this world the strong survive. Also it was through Muslim Spain anything was accomplished it was through Roman Catholic Spain and the other Latin European peoples. While it is true Arabic culture was dominant long ago that all came to an end after the Mongols conquered them and changed them forever. Like I said the strong survive and prosper.
If you honestly believe Islam, which is a religion not a culture, would have used Nuclear energy for all good you are mistaken. While there is no way to know for certain since it didn't happen the fundamentalism that goes hand in hand with Islam allows me to make my assumption. Also stop talking about Islam as if it is one unified people it isn't. I currently live in Turkey and I can tell you Turkish Muslims are nothing like those who live in Saudi Arabia or Iran. They are more like western Christians (semi-religious) then the hard-core stock that comes from further south. Also, even the fundis are identical because there is the Shiates and the Sunnis. Islam isn't unified so stop speaking as if it is.
First let's clear up the misinformation you are spreading about Islam and Islamic history.
Actually, Islam is not a religion in the Western sense of the word. It's not simply a belief but it is a practice, a way of life, a culture. Everything Muslims do from the way they dress and wear their beard, to the way they go to the bathroom and the way they pray and get married, is either written about in the Noble Qu'ran; or it was a practice of the prophet (saws).
Second of all, the Mongols did not put an end to the Islamic empire. Gengis Khan did lay destruction upon Muslims leading all the way to Baghdad, but the succeeding generations of Khan's converted to Islam and actually ended up expanding the Islamic Empire which remained strong all the way until almost the 18th Century, when the gold trade in the West lead to inflation in the East.
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you ain't 100% native american M-dogg....if you were you wouldn't be calling yourself native to america and mexico....you try to belittle someone else for being ignorant but your ignorant yourself....if you were a true Native american you would have no mexican roots....if you were a true native mexican you'd be living in southern/central mexico right now and you'd look alot different ....you have ZEREO resemblences to TRUE BLUE native americans and their characteristics....you're just a watered down spanish/aztec mexican llike almost every other hispanic living in america.
My roots, once again. My grandpa was a straight Aztec, or Mexica as they call themselves. He was 100%, out of the village indian, and he had all the features of someone that was 100% Mexica, or Aztec, whatever you want to call them. My other grandpa, Apache Indian from Arizona, but I don't know him that much, so I don't count his blood. My grandma, well she's mix for Native Mexican and Spanish, like most Mexicans. And my other grandma, she's Southern Piute from California. So enough about my blood. Jake, what are you, and why are you so into putting European culture as superiour. There is no superiour culture. In a war, right now, if Al Quada really wanted a religious war, they can go to the Vatican, which is an independent country, and take them over. I guess that makes Al Quada the superiour culture. THe North Vietnamese won the Vietnam War, they are the superiour culture to the United States and South Vietnam. Afganistan beat the Soviet Union, war does not make a culture. We learn from a European base education, because European countries have won most the wars in world history. Why is that, well Greece to Rome, to England and France and Spain, European countries have taken over the world. That's just part for how history worked. But I refuse to put cultures that spread slavery, that spread war, guns, and genocide as superiour to other cultures that promote peace and deep thought like many eastern cultures seen in Asia. I would say they are different but equal, but never would I say one is better than the other, because we all have different standards. Now lets see what Natives have done since they have gotten here, and before Europeans came.
Native adavancement.
Iroquois: they are the Native nation we modeled our own government. They had a constitution (http://www.law.ou.edu/hist/iroquois.html) and we copied their government which they had a confederecy of states, and one central federal governement.
Aztecs/Mexica: The Aztec were highly advance in math. They invented the number zero. Before European cultures had no concept of nothing, since nothing is really an abstract idea if you think about it. But the Aztecs had the concept of 0 in mathmatics. Also, Aztecs came up with the recall, impeachment idea. When Empiror Motizuma proved to only be working for the European visitors, the people revoluted against Motizuma, practicing a long running tradition in the Aztec Empire to get rid of rulers that don't do the will of the people.
Incas: My god, have you ever seen the buildings the Incas had in the top of the Andes Mountains. The Incas were highly advanced in mathmatics, and built beautiful buildings, and placed them high above the world, using huge stones, it's a great sight. I've only seen it on video when my friend from Peru showed me, but it was amazing, and I hope to see them in person someday.
And the main reason why Natives died off when Europeans came, well lets put it this way, most Natives actually died of disease that was brought because Europeans spend many days out in the sea, and picked up many disease on the way that Natives could not fight off with their immune system. Over 66% of Natives died of disease, not war.
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This whole arguement is ridiculous and a waste of time. TommyilRamano is right.....western culture in indeed superior to all other cultures. Capitalism, freedom of speech, separation of church and state, democracy, science, human rights etc are all the foundation of western civilization and the pinnacle of human achievement.
That is why multiculturalism is a joke.....we have to pretend that foreign, backwards cultures are somehow just as relevant and important. Well there are not.
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This whole arguement is ridiculous and a waste of time. TommyilRamano is right.....western culture in indeed superior to all other cultures. Capitalism, freedom of speech, separation of church and state, democracy, science, human rights etc are all the foundation of western civilization and the pinnacle of human achievement.
That is why multiculturalism is a joke.....we have to pretend that foreign, backwards cultures are somehow just as relevant and important. Well there are not.
Let's look at this deeper.
Capitalism - free trade was practiced in the Middle East back when western cultures were still trying to invent fire and throw spears at eacher.
freedom of speech - something no way was denied except when a few western monarchs decided that people joining together was a bad idea for their crown.
Seperation of church and state - something that came about with the founding of the United States. Western societies were tied close to the catholic church, therefore seperation of church and state has more to do with modern than western.
Democracy - is as old as the original Olympics. Also, a few Native tribes also produced Democracies too before "western" culture got here.
science - mathmatically speaking, the Aztecs where the most mathmatically advance people in the world before they encountered the Spanish. In fact, Cortez spoke on how nothing in Europe can compare to the Aztec cities.
Human rights - only went to other Europeans, as Africans where slaves. Also, Native Americans believed in human rights to a higher degree than Europeans. All life is valuable according to the Natives.
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Yeah, its too bad Genghis didn't finish the job... Still its only a mtter of time before your Islamic faith becomes similar to today's Christians. All it will take is the poverty that so plagues the Middle East to come to an end and WALA! You have 'sorta kinda Muslims', like the Turks! You aren't even a real Muslim you just some wannabe hippy who dislikes America for whatever reason. Im done responding to you for now Ibo...
First, I am not American. I am Sicilian/Castilian and this is not about America this is about the shared culture of the West in general and there are parallels. In this world the strong survive. Also it was through Muslim Spain anything was accomplished it was through Roman Catholic Spain and the other Latin European peoples. While it is true Arabic culture was dominant long ago that all came to an end after the Mongols conquered them and changed them forever. Like I said the strong survive and prosper.
If you honestly believe Islam, which is a religion not a culture, would have used Nuclear energy for all good you are mistaken. While there is no way to know for certain since it didn't happen the fundamentalism that goes hand in hand with Islam allows me to make my assumption. Also stop talking about Islam as if it is one unified people it isn't. I currently live in Turkey and I can tell you Turkish Muslims are nothing like those who live in Saudi Arabia or Iran. They are more like western Christians (semi-religious) then the hard-core stock that comes from further south. Also, even the fundis are identical because there is the Shiates and the Sunnis. Islam isn't unified so stop speaking as if it is.
First let's clear up the misinformation you are spreading about Islam and Islamic history.
Actually, Islam is not a religion in the Western sense of the word. It's not simply a belief but it is a practice, a way of life, a culture. Everything Muslims do from the way they dress and wear their beard, to the way they go to the bathroom and the way they pray and get married, is either written about in the Noble Qu'ran; or it was a practice of the prophet (saws).
Second of all, the Mongols did not put an end to the Islamic empire. Gengis Khan did lay destruction upon Muslims leading all the way to Baghdad, but the succeeding generations of Khan's converted to Islam and actually ended up expanding the Islamic Empire which remained strong all the way until almost the 18th Century, when the gold trade in the West lead to inflation in the East.
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My roots, once again. My grandpa was a straight Aztec, or Mexica as they call themselves. He was 100%, out of the village indian, and he had all the features of someone that was 100% Mexica, or Aztec, whatever you want to call them. My other grandpa, Apache Indian from Arizona, but I don't know him that much, so I don't count his blood. My grandma, well she's mix for Native Mexican and Spanish, like most Mexicans. And my other grandma, she's Southern Piute from California.
Well put on some leather skins, get your peace-pipe out, dance around like a drugged up retard and have a blast!
Native adavancement.
Iroquois: they are the Native nation we modeled our own government. They had a constitution (http://www.law.ou.edu/hist/iroquois.html) and we copied their government which they had a confederecy of states, and one central federal governement.
Aztecs/Mexica: The Aztec were highly advance in math. They invented the number zero. Before European cultures had no concept of nothing, since nothing is really an abstract idea if you think about it. But the Aztecs had the concept of 0 in mathmatics. Also, Aztecs came up with the recall, impeachment idea. When Empiror Motizuma proved to only be working for the European visitors, the people revoluted against Motizuma, practicing a long running tradition in the Aztec Empire to get rid of rulers that don't do the will of the people.
Incas: My god, have you ever seen the buildings the Incas had in the top of the Andes Mountains. The Incas were highly advanced in mathmatics, and built beautiful buildings, and placed them high above the world, using huge stones, it's a great sight. I've only seen it on video when my friend from Peru showed me, but it was amazing, and I hope to see them in person someday.
And the main reason why Natives died off when Europeans came, well lets put it this way, most Natives actually died of disease that was brought because Europeans spend many days out in the sea, and picked up many disease on the way that Natives could not fight off with their immune system. Over 66% of Natives died of disease, not war.
I am gonna sound like an asshole but the fact is how many real Indians do u come across in the US? Its been a while since I was last in the US but I know not many. Why is there only 4 pure Indians in the US you ask... well I will tell you... Because they are all dead. The Indians were conquered by a superior people. Was it nice... No but they are still all dead, they were conquered, and they are inferior. ciao
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^^^lol... oh my God. As I said, over 66% of Natives were killed by disease that Europeans brought that were foreign to the Americas. I now know that no matter what I say, you would change your position, and you would listen, so I'll just say this to end my argument. Europeans perfected war. War to them was an artform. You being European have grown up with this idea, therefore you look at your people's victories dating back to Rome, all the way up to World War I, ignoring World War II... lol... and look with pride as your people win battle after battle, disregarding life. If that is how you base a superiour culture, well that's great. To me, a great culture advances in math, science, technology. When the Spanish came to the Americans, as I said, Cortez said no place in Europe compares to the cities in the Aztec/Mexica Empire. The advances that could have happen could have been great, but some societies are not interested in war and gold. What's foreign to you does not mean it's savage, or inferior. But you were not raised thinking in that matter, so I can't explain it to you, therefore I'll allow you to think as you do.
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My roots, once again. My grandpa was a straight Aztec, or Mexica as they call themselves. He was 100%, out of the village indian, and he had all the features of someone that was 100% Mexica, or Aztec, whatever you want to call them. My other grandpa, Apache Indian from Arizona, but I don't know him that much, so I don't count his blood. My grandma, well she's mix for Native Mexican and Spanish, like most Mexicans. And my other grandma, she's Southern Piute from California.
Well put on some leather skins, get your peace-pipe out, dance around like a drugged up retard and have a blast!
my tribe did not have a peace pipe. That was the eastern tribes, they grew tobacco there. Over here, we had nothing of that sort. Depending on what tribe you talk about, there is different cultures. The Paiutes (the correct spelling... lol) they were peaceful traders and farmers. They were in the San Bernardino Valley, so they were the middlemen between the Indians from L.A., and the High Desert. They never had a war, ever in their tribes history. Eventually they were kicked off the land so Italians actually, can grow grapes and oranges. I still like Italians though, many of the great grandkids of the original Italians are cool as hell, and I don't blame them for the past, it just happened. Anyways, another part of me is Apache, which was the last tribe to stand against the Ameicans. Traditionally, they always fought against other tribes, basically as the best warriors this country has ever seen. They eventually gave up after other Apaches started turning to the U.S. after the U.S. promised them a better life. Of course the Apaches that worked for the U.S. would also be kicked to the reservation. The Aztec blood comes from one of the great empires the world has seen. The advances in math were second to none at the time. They knew when every eclipes would happen, and at the time, the Aztec calendar was more accerate than the basic European calendar, of course until they changed the calendar after they found out that 10 months as year was not cutting it. The other part of me is a mix of mainly indians from Mexico that was outside of the Aztec Empire, and alittle bit of Spanish that came. You can't go without having some Spanish blood, and there it is... lol. The indians there basically were just part of Spanish conquest, and the Spanish is me is very faith, as I'm still dark, but not as dark as my other grandparents or my father who are dark as hell.
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no culture is right or wrong - they all equal - just because Western Culture has somethings other cultures don't doesnt mean its necessarily superior - cultures dont all work toward the same things. cultures don't progress along a straight line so it is impossible for one to be ahead of another.
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the reason why some dudes think the western culture is superior is because of money. they think they are wealthier, have larger weapons, better equipped military - so their culture must be superior. but it's not.
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That's one way of looking at it. The wrong way... but one way. LOL I see now why yall are liberals. You have no sense of reality. It gives you visions of poppys and daisies to say things like "all cultures are equal, just misunderstood"... but it's just not true, lol. Ironically, you're the same people that DON'T believe in God. It's all quite contradictory, but whatever, you do you, and I'll do me. :)
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the reason why some dudes think the western culture is superior is because of money. they think they are wealthier, have larger weapons, better equipped military - so their culture must be superior. but it's not.
I think you're wrong there, buddy... I gave a perfect example why I think Western culture is superior to certain other cultures to a certain extend.
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The problem with people like the sloth guy is that he looks for ways to convienently label people in his mind, so he can dismiss them, instead of NOT holding a grudge, and evaluating their opinion on each matter as it comes up. It *IS possible for someone you disagree with, to have an opinion you agree with on OTHER topics. For instance, he wants to summarily assume that I think America is superior in every way to every other culture, and that's not true at all. Then he tries to say it's money, or whatever... look, the ultimate answer is that it's irresponsible to think that all cultures are equal, that's just rediculous.
For instance: Mexican, or a latino culture is much more centered around the family, and are much more respectful of marriage, and family ties than American culture. So in that aspect, what dumbass would say that the two cultures are equal? The latino culture is clearly superior in that aspect, and any fool could see it. To say "No, they're equal" is just bullshit, when it's obvious they're not.
The REALLY bullshit thing is that I had to give an example of where the American culture ISN'T superior, or you all would have just dismissed it and said I think we're superior becuase of money, like this ass-clown just did.
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As I said, the cultures are different, but people judge on different things. My friend and I, she's from Peru, we were talking about how in the United States it's fucked up that family isn't as important. But someone else will turn around and mention how the United States is more stable than Latin America. It's all different, different to the point where you have to say they are the same. Because there are 6 billion different people judging cultures different, who's standard do you use. Everyone will point to theirs as the best. Look at how quick I defended my culture. As for family, and marriage. That was there before Europeans too. In Aztec culture, any sex outside the marriage, wither adultry or phornication, then the people having sex would be kicked out the villiage. Marriage was always respected in our culture. That's just the way it has always been, and Catholism fit perfect to our already exsiting culture that it was easy to convert. But someone else well say the Greeks were better, and in terms of sex, they had sex with servents, sex with other peoples wives, sex with men, sex with little boys. Ancient Greek culture was a great culture, and it's compariable to Aztex because both were great powers of their region, and time. Who's better, I don't know, but both were greatly different. So there is no set way to judge cultures, just to study each culture as different.
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I am a proud latin.. I am talking about the shared culture of the West now after that once you dig deeper there are many things about American culture I dislike. The West has always dominated so to me that is proof of an overall level of dominance. Try not to take anything I say to personally as a am a huge hipocrit. My Fiancee is Arab so I guess when it comes down to it I am for any culture so long the girl is hot. I am and always will be proud of my latin roots and I will always be a pompous european but I am practical.
^^^lol... oh my God. As I said, over 66% of Natives were killed by disease that Europeans brought that were foreign to the Americas. I now know that no matter what I say, you would change your position, and you would listen, so I'll just say this to end my argument. Europeans perfected war. War to them was an artform. You being European have grown up with this idea, therefore you look at your people's victories dating back to Rome, all the way up to World War I, ignoring World War II... lol... and look with pride as your people win battle after battle, disregarding life. If that is how you base a superiour culture, well that's great. To me, a great culture advances in math, science, technology. When the Spanish came to the Americans, as I said, Cortez said no place in Europe compares to the cities in the Aztec/Mexica Empire. The advances that could have happen could have been great, but some societies are not interested in war and gold. What's foreign to you does not mean it's savage, or inferior. But you were not raised thinking in that matter, so I can't explain it to you, therefore I'll allow you to think as you do.
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At least you are knowledgable on your own culture. Most Americans couldnt tell you what they are... If you are Catholic you are cool in my book and I will leave you alone.. for now.. muhaha. Habla Castellano? Viva y deje vivo ... por ahora ;D
As I said, the cultures are different, but people judge on different things. My friend and I, she's from Peru, we were talking about how in the United States it's fucked up that family isn't as important. But someone else will turn around and mention how the United States is more stable than Latin America. It's all different, different to the point where you have to say they are the same. Because there are 6 billion different people judging cultures different, who's standard do you use. Everyone will point to theirs as the best. Look at how quick I defended my culture. As for family, and marriage. That was there before Europeans too. In Aztec culture, any sex outside the marriage, wither adultry or phornication, then the people having sex would be kicked out the villiage. Marriage was always respected in our culture. That's just the way it has always been, and Catholism fit perfect to our already exsiting culture that it was easy to convert. But someone else well say the Greeks were better, and in terms of sex, they had sex with servents, sex with other peoples wives, sex with men, sex with little boys. Ancient Greek culture was a great culture, and it's compariable to Aztex because both were great powers of their region, and time. Who's better, I don't know, but both were greatly different. So there is no set way to judge cultures, just to study each culture as different.