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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: gdjone on October 03, 2002, 04:11:31 AM
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Dre will never use want he has in these arist. All this talent and we will most likely never hear them together or get a "Aftermath" album. Dre is so busy trying to be perfect that he's letting precious time pass away. Dre, Cube and Ra are all closer to forty than thirty, time is of the essence. If Dre takes three years to produce every Aftermath album then Cude will be in his forties before we see his album drop. And this might be Rakim's only full LP on Aftermath because when will his turn come back around, 2010? Dre has assembled and legendary squad but why wait until dinner gets cold to eat, isn't it better while it's hot. Dre has a opportunity to do something great and it doesn't have to take years to do so. Rakim is the greatest MC ever and he's been on the shelf since 2000 because Dre thinks he has all the time in the world
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Dre will never use want he has in these arist. All this talent and we will most likely never hear them together or get a "Aftermath" album. Dre is so busy trying to be perfect that he's letting precious time pass away. Dre, Cube and Ra are all closer to forty than thirty, time is of the essence. If Dre takes three years to produce every Aftermath album then Cude will be in his forties before we see his album drop. And this might be Rakim's only full LP on Aftermath because when will his turn come back around, 2010? Dre has assembled and legendary squad but why wait until dinner gets cold to eat, isn't it better while it's hot. Dre has a opportunity to do something great and it doesn't have to take years to do so. Rakim is the greatest MC ever and he's been on the shelf since 2000 because Dre thinks he has all the time in the world
i TOTALLY agree
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You can't rush perfection.
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You can't rush perfection.
The second half of Doggystyle was done in a week or two BY DR.DRE and if you dont call Doggystyle a perfect album then i dont know what you are talking about man...
All this shit started after the "Dr.Dre Presents The Aftermath" flop (well it sold platinum, but this nigga named Dre called it a flop) cuz it was after that Dre started to work in slow-mo.
The nigga is scared, scared that someone will tell him that he´s not No.1 nomore, he´s so fukkin scared!!!
Back in the death row days he produced more cuts a day than he took a piss goddamit....
He produced 2 PERFECT albums in a 3 year period (Doggystyle & The Chronic) so time has nothing to do with perfection, not when it comes to this nigga named Dre.
Peace
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When the nigga makes the biggest Hip Hop albums ever, twice (Chronic and 2001). When he brings out the biggest selling Hip Hop Artist ever twice (Pac and Em, Dre had stuff to do in All Eyes on me) I'm sure he can take as much time as he wants to make sure he does better than before. Who cares how old they get? If anything, it's better than the 20 year old rapper who raps about 'Bling-Bling' and shit.
Rappers are like fine wines, best left till after dinner.
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When the nigga makes the biggest Hip Hop albums ever, twice (Chronic and 2001). When he brings out the biggest selling Hip Hop Artist ever twice (Pac and Em, Dre had stuff to do in All Eyes on me) I'm sure he can take as much time as he wants to make sure he does better than before. Who cares how old they get? If anything, it's better than the 20 year old rapper who raps about 'Bling-Bling' and shit.
Rappers are like fine wines, best left till after dinner.
So your saying Run-DMC got better Chuck-D etc. Not that they compare to Ra but with age come decline in anything that you do whether physical or mental. Rakim and Ice Cude are great rappers and Dre is a great producer but they are not immune to the affects of time. Lets not forget how long they have already been here. There comes a time when they will move on. Cube has acting but Rakim's entertainment career only lies in his music and I'm sure that rap is not his only interest. As a Rakim fanatic I want as much Ra that I can get so that means wasting no time trying to perfect perfection.
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When the nigga makes the biggest Hip Hop albums ever, twice (Chronic and 2001). When he brings out the biggest selling Hip Hop Artist ever twice (Pac and Em, Dre had stuff to do in All Eyes on me) I'm sure he can take as much time as he wants to make sure he does better than before. Who cares how old they get? If anything, it's better than the 20 year old rapper who raps about 'Bling-Bling' and shit.
Rappers are like fine wines, best left till after dinner.
Yeah, i feel you, but 3 years 4 an album by an artist that already is established in da game is too much time + i will go nuts if they dont release that shit before february.
Snoop was a new cat when Dre produced the second half of his album in a week, Rakim is a fukkin OG man...
Look at it this way, maybe the album is nothing but crap?? What will u muthafukkas be claiming then? That Dre didnt produce it? That Dre and Rah doesnt fit each other?? etc etc
When it take this long 4 an album to drop, people gets more and more excited and will not accept an average album.
Dre just fucks himself when he does shit this way, cuz people expect so much from him when he´s been in the studio 4 three years, feel me?
Peace
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The second half of Doggystyle was done in a week or two BY DR.DRE and if you dont call Doggystyle a perfect album then i dont know what you are talking about man...
All this shit started after the "Dr.Dre Presents The Aftermath" flop (well it sold platinum, but this nigga named Dre called it a flop) cuz it was after that Dre started to work in slow-mo.
I agree!
The nigga is scared, scared that someone will tell him that he´s not No.1 nomore, he´s so fukkin scared!!!
Back in the death row days he produced more cuts a day than he took a piss goddamit....
He produced 2 PERFECT albums in a 3 year period (Doggystyle & The Chronic) so time has nothing to do with perfection, not when it comes to this nigga named Dre.
Peace
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I agree with you 100% Rob Dogg!!I couldn't of said it better,I always said that Dre was faster during the Death Row days.He's taking way to long with Rakim,I dont know when or if we will ever see that album.
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Dre has always taken a lot of time to record albums...Suge was getting on his ass cause Dre was taking hella time with Doggystyle so he let other cats produce the whole 2nd half of Doggystyle and then he went back and perfected some tracks...I rather Dre take his time, when he does he produces classic shit like 2001, when he doesn't he produces garbage like the shit we've been hearing of late like on the Eminem Show...He's taking his time with Rakim and Detox so that's a good sign...
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Dre has always taken a lot of time to record albums...Suge was getting on his ass cause Dre was taking hella time with Doggystyle so he let other cats produce the whole 2nd half of Doggystyle and then he went back and perfected some tracks...
Are u really DPGC2001? Cuz u really sounds like Daz Dillinger...
Peace
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Apparently Dre's always taken his time, I don't know if you remember but around the time he left DR 2Pac did an interview and said that he felt Dre was a dope producer but he took far too long. Plus guys, it's not just Dre, it depends on the artist too, I mean back when Dre & Snoop were working on "Doggystyle" and "The Chronic" everyone was so hungry that they really were doing their best, it's really no suprise that they didn't take as long as some of the records Dre has worked on recently. I mean do you remember when Snoop said some of the songs on "Doggystyle" were 1 take freestyles, thats pretty impressive. You have to be willing and ready to work hard together to make something happen in a short period of time, don't just take this shit out on Dre.
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Well if Dre stopped putting non AFTERMATH artists before his, then maybe we would see AFTERMATH release an album,
It makes me laugh when people call this the best rap label, just cos it has Dre on it, yeah they talented, but what have they released, they aint released many albums which aren't Dre or Em's
Am I right, well Dre needs to concentrate on his camp and more West Coast peeps, then worrying bout bein pop/r+b
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Well if Dre stopped putting non AFTERMATH artists before his, then maybe we would see AFTERMATH release an album,
It makes me laugh when people call this the best rap label, just cos it has Dre on it, yeah they talented, but what have they released, they aint released many albums which aren't Dre or Em's
Am I right, well Dre needs to concentrate on his camp and more West Coast peeps, then worrying bout bein pop/r+b
1- deathrow has released nothing but pure unfiltered SHIT since dre left not one good non pac album has came from that lable since 1995!
2- Aftermath records has relesed 3 albums that speak for themselfs and will be remembered for a long time
3-Dre is not Taco Bell or Mcdonald's he's not going to give you cheap product in under 30 seconds or less......he's going to give you quality product like a quality resturaunt and make you wait and snack on some bread until it's ready
4- it doesn't matter how old you get! you can be as old as Carlos Santana and still put out a great albums (hey it took him 3 years an album as well hey!) I'd rather see an older artist take his time creating a good album than an artist who rushes to put out material that's half assed and only satisfies the ignorant and dimwitted...period
5-rap albums inparticularly old rap albums took longer cuz they stole from other music by sampling therfore taking LESS time! it takes A LOT longer to put out original quality than it does reprocessed material
check it
here a time span of metallica albums
kill em all -1982
ride the lightning-1984
2 year difference
master of puppets-1986
2 year difference
and justice for all -1988 (almost 89')
almost 3 years
the black album -1991
3 and a half years
so as you see when your a younger artist your full of ideas and your creative juices are flowing on the drop of a dime so you are able to put out albums faster but as those ideas run out you need more and more time to reach inside yourself and pull out more and new ideas. now dre's been around for fuckin' 20 years now and has produced god knows how much great material.....it takes more time to make good product now ,becuase he's used so much of it already, but that just shows his genius . someone who's done so much is STILL doing it at his level .
now lets use metallica AGAIN to point out my other point at hand
the black album was a monsterous album and wore them out it took 3years to make and another 2 years of promoting. so they took some time off (sound familiar) but instead of gradually easing their way back into the studio and taking their time to make ANOTHER classic album they rushed in the studio and made load , the fasted album they ever made to satisfy all the fans who demanded a metallica album NOW! (also does this sound familiar?) well load was nothing short of a disappointment and was half great and half sorry. and if they didn't learn from their first mistake they rushed REload. granted they took a little bit more time ( 1year) to make it , it was still pretty much the same result a rushed half half album to satisfy demanding fans .....
now i ask you what would you rather choose for your favorite artists legacy? someone who USE to be great and now rushes out material? or someone who IS great and takes his time to stay that way ?
Rakim rushed his last 2 albums and look what you got....crap,i'm sure neither ra nor dre nor you want a third dose of that
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Rakim rushed his last 2 albums and look what you got....crap,i'm sure neither ra nor dre nor you want a third dose of that
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First off The 18th Letter is an excellent album, The Master wasn't as good but still very dope nevertheless.
Secondly, rushed?
Don't Sweat The Technique came out in '92.
The 18th Letter came out in late '97. Five years.
And it's just about three years now since The Master. That's not too long.
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Secondly, rushed?
Don't Sweat The Technique came out in '92.
The 18th Letter came out in late '97. Five years.
And it's just about three years now since The Master. That's not too long.
you mean to tell me that Ra worked on the 18th letter for 5 years?? lol when he released that record i remember him saying he spent the last few months or so puttng together that album on rap city
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1- deathrow has released nothing but pure unfiltered SHIT since dre left not one good non pac album has came from that lable since 1995!
2- Aftermath records has relesed 3 albums that speak for themselfs and will be remembered for a long time
3-Dre is not Taco Bell or Mcdonald's he's not going to give you cheap product in under 30 seconds or less......he's going to give you quality product like a quality resturaunt and make you wait and snack on some bread until it's ready
4- it doesn't matter how old you get! you can be as old as Carlos Santana and still put out a great albums (hey it took him 3 years an album as well hey!) I'd rather see an older artist take his time creating a good album than an artist who rushes to put out material that's half assed and only satisfies the ignorant and dimwitted...period
5-rap albums inparticularly old rap albums took longer cuz they stole from other music by sampling therfore taking LESS time! it takes A LOT longer to put out original quality than it does reprocessed material
check it
here a time span of metallica albums
kill em all -1982
ride the lightning-1984
2 year difference
master of puppets-1986
2 year difference
and justice for all -1988 (almost 89')
almost 3 years
the black album -1991
3 and a half years
so as you see when your a younger artist your full of ideas and your creative juices are flowing on the drop of a dime so you are able to put out albums faster but as those ideas run out you need more and more time to reach inside yourself and pull out more and new ideas. now dre's been around for fuckin' 20 years now and has produced god knows how much great material.....it takes more time to make good product now ,becuase he's used so much of it already, but that just shows his genius . someone who's done so much is STILL doing it at his level .
now lets use metallica AGAIN to point out my other point at hand
the black album was a monsterous album and wore them out it took 3years to make and another 2 years of promoting. so they took some time off (sound familiar) but instead of gradually easing their way back into the studio and taking their time to make ANOTHER classic album they rushed in the studio and made load , the fasted album they ever made to satisfy all the fans who demanded a metallica album NOW! (also does this sound familiar?) well load was nothing short of a disappointment and was half great and half sorry. and if they didn't learn from their first mistake they rushed REload. granted they took a little bit more time ( 1year) to make it , it was still pretty much the same result a rushed half half album to satisfy demanding fans .....
now i ask you what would you rather choose for your favorite artists legacy? someone who USE to be great and now rushes out material? or someone who IS great and takes his time to stay that way ?
Rakim rushed his last 2 albums and look what you got....crap,i'm sure neither ra nor dre nor you want a third dose of that
Oh shit, that hurt, but in some ways your're right but "crap" albums I don't know about. On Rakim's bad day his still better than most, I will admit that those albums were not classics but they were liget. Production has always been suspect with Ra thats why he signed with Dre but lets not cover up the issue of TIME well spent. Dre has persuing other interest rather than consentrating on his artist. I'm sure Ra is not that busy niether was Hittman and all the others, so while we had to watch "The Wash" and here Dre beats on everybody elses albums TIME was quickly passing by for the artist that he signed just so that he could say he had them.
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Oh shit, that hurt, but in some ways your're right but "crap" albums I don't know about. On Rakim's bad day his still better than most, I will admit that those albums were not classics but they were liget. Production has always been suspect with Ra thats why he signed with Dre but lets not cover up the issue of TIME well spent. Dre has persuing other interest rather than consentrating on his artist. I'm sure Ra is not that busy niether was Hittman and all the others, so while we had to watch "The Wash" and here Dre beats on everybody elses albums TIME was quickly passing by for the artist that he signed just so that he could say he had them.
you do relise the time you spoke of was granted by those artists themself and ra was planning out this album during that time writing rhymes and what not, and dre knew that hittman would't work so that's why he dropped out of that project
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GOAT's should stop wasting time wit dre...
hahahahahaha
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I agree that Dre takes too long to get albums out, if he gets them out at all...
anyone who doesnt think 18th Letter was dope.. well... ::)
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I agree that Dre takes too long to get albums out, if he gets them out at all...
anyone who doesnt think 18th Letter was dope.. well... ::)
the 18th letter was good but was what..
the godfather III is to the godfather
hanible is to the silence of the lambs
jurassic Park III is to Jurassic Park
what Rocky V is to Rocky
get the point
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the 18th letter was good but was what..
the godfather III is to the godfather
hanible is to the silence of the lambs
jurassic Park III is to Jurassic Park
what Rocky V is to Rocky
get the point
Not really.
You said the album was crap. It's no Paid In Full or Follow The Leader but I'd say it's excellent and the best album of '97.
And I know that he didn't work on The 18th Letter every day for 5 years but I'm sure he didn't sit on his ass for 4+ years then throw the album together.
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Really, if Dre takes that much time to release an album, he should be on 100% of the production. Probably not the case though.
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Some of you motherfuckers are hard to please..
what would you prefer ?
fewer, higher quality releases
or
rushed, but numerous albums churned out..
dre knows what he's fuckin' doin'..
when you start dropping album after album after album, you lose hype between those releases...
and it ain't like dre and ra are just sitting down doing nothing.. the motherfucker is busy... BOTH of them would be.
and i, for one, don't have a problem at all with dre doing cuts for people like eve, mary j .. or whoever he wants to work with.. he's makin' money.. and doing a fucking good job at it.
try and look at the situation as a whole..
i can just imagine the scenario of what would happen, if dre would say "..shit.. the fans think i'm taking too much time.. i need to drop this album NOW.." .. and he releases it..
and it's below your expectations.. or it's just lacking polish....
you would all be hating on dre "..dre's fallen off.." etc. etc.
and then i'd LOVE to see the opinions change..
"..why did dre rush it.."
"..i thought dre was a perfectionist.."
"..he shoulda spent more time on it.."
i have faith in the good doctor.. and he very seldomly disappoints me..
so i'm happy.
Peace.
Dominator.
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hanible is to the silence of the lambs
Hannibal may not've been as good as SOTL (Silence of the Lambs), but it was still a dope movie!
By the way, who plans on seeing the Red Dragon remake (the SOTL prequel)? I'm definitely gonna see it, 'cause Anthony Hopkins is my favorite actor!
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Hannibal may not've been as good as SOTL (Silence of the Lambs), but it was still a dope movie!
By the way, who plans on seeing the Red Dragon remake (the SOTL prequel)? I'm definitely gonna see it, 'cause Anthony Hopkins is my favorite actor!
i know , all of those movies were good movies yo, hell the godfather III was even nominated for movie of the year at the oscars in 90/91 i'm just saying they're crap compared to the originals
the 18th letter was ok i'd give it a 3.5 , but come on you can tell it wasn't as focused and or rushed