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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: 187Proof on August 29, 2004, 05:03:20 PM
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I was thinkin back to some classic tracks that have both Dr. Dre & Snoop Dogg on them, and I can't think of any tracks, that has both of them on it, where I've been disapointed. Has anyone else ever been disapointed with any tracks that they were both on?
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the wash soundtrack
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the wash soundtrack
I was anticipating someone to use that as an example, but I thought both tracks they did together were off the hook!
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Nah, they brought the only heat to The Wash soundtrack. It should of been a Dre Snoop soundtrack but they fucked that opportunity up.
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I cant think of a bad Snoop & Dre track, thats why its so FUCKED UP that they don't work together anymore. They bring the best out of each other. If they were smarter Snoop would be signed with Aftermath right now instead of Star Trak. Even the skits they've done together on albums are tight IMO. Snoop on Aftermath would do 4 things:
1) Get the rap industry/fans excited about a Snoop album again. Just as we were back in 92/93/94.
2) Help bring West Coast rap back.
3) Give the fans what they want, and what they deserve.
4) Send this forum into fuckin overload!!!!!!!!!!
But instead, we've got Eve and Busta on Aftermath and a Neptunes produced Snoop album thats probably gonna end up being rushed.
PS: 'Buck Em' off NLTD is tight as hell and doesn't seem to get enough respect as a Snoop & Dre collab. The beat was on point and Snoops flow was crazy on that track.
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It's simple. They both got huge ass egos. Probably Snoop more so than Dre. Snoop just doesn't wanna be looked at like he relies on Dre to make hot shit. It's the same shit from off that skit on Tha Doggfather. Plus, Snoop gonna get his paper anyways because us dumbass fans got his back regardless of how many weak or mediocre albums he put out. Neither one of em are stupid, they know they are possibly the best duo in rap history.
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PS: 'Buck Em' off NLTD is tight as hell and doesn't seem to get enough respect as a Snoop & Dre collab. The beat was on point and Snoops flow was crazy on that track.
I always thought that song was one of the best on the album.
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I was sayin this before, I have never heard a song with these two that was anything near wack. Even their worst songs together, like "Just dippin" are damn near classic songs. When they both rap on the same track it's a guaranteed banger. Maybe it is their egos...maybe they got the Shaq Kobe (before the breakup) thing goin on, but shit they are only losin if that's the case. Snoop sounds best when Dre produces because Dre doesn't let him talk any babble bullshit on it.
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Zoom zoom zoom I didn't like too much, but it's unreleased so it dosen't really count.
Everything else = FIRE
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Zoom zoom zoom I didn't like too much, but it's unreleased so it dosen't really count.
Everything else = FIRE
Damn I'm actually feeling that Zoom Zoom (Got My Mind Made Up) track.
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They need to get back 2gether.
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I didn't really like Just Dippin', but it was alright because I believe it was the first time Dre acted 'gangsta' on a song since starting Aftermath.
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Nah, they brought the only heat to The Wash soundtrack. It should of been a Dre Snoop soundtrack but they fucked that opportunity up.
I heard somewhere that Dre had scheduled studio time for them to record more songs for it, but Snoop got caught up doing a movie, or it had something to do with 9/11 ? and couldn't make it to the studio, forever leaving us with only 2 songs on the soundtrack.
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It's simple. They both got huge ass egos. Probably Snoop more so than Dre. Snoop just doesn't wanna be looked at like he relies on Dre to make hot shit. It's the same shit from off that skit on Tha Doggfather. Plus, Snoop gonna get his paper anyways because us dumbass fans got his back regardless of how many weak or mediocre albums he put out. Neither one of em are stupid, they know they are possibly the best duo in rap history.
I think it comes down to 1 thing, really, it's a power trip. Dre don't like to work with people that he can't tell what to do in the studio, because basically, what Dre hears in his head, usually sounds pretty fucking good. So on the chronic and doggystyle, he was literally telling Snoop "sing it like this, say it like that". Snoop don't like that shit, because Snoop is as big as Dre, career wise, now. Snoop @ his peak was bigger than Dre was at HIS peak, because when Dre got big with the Chronic, everybody knew Snoop wrote it. Of course Dre's had a more respectable career, but Snoop knows he's as big as Dre is in the world of rap, whether yall wanna admit it or not. Snoop's also lazy as fuck, and knows if he freestyles some song, he can finish a track in 30 minutes over some beat somebody threw him, and it'll make as much money as if he spends 5 days on a song like he did on Doggystyle. So he don't give a fuck. If he's making millions a year making tracks in 30 minutes, and just freestyling verses, going back and double tracking some of it, why would he sit down and focus and spend a week doing a song like the old days? He ain't gonna do that.
Dre is, though. Dre aint' gonna let any truly wack shit come out, so when he goes in the studio with Snoop, he's gonna spend 2 or 3 days on 1 fucking song until it sounds good.
Snoop's ego is "I'm big enough I can make anything and people will buy it because I'm one of the greatest freestylers alive"
and Dre's ego is
"Everything I put out is going to be perfect or I'm not gonna put it out"
Remember, when Michael Jackson was making his album, Dr. Dre turned him down when Michael asked him to produce for him, because Dre said he thought Michael wouldn't listen to him in the studio or some shit. Dre's on a power trip, but I can't really blame him because he generally knows what's gonna sound the best and sell the most.
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Remember, when Michael Jackson was making his album, Dr. Dre turned him down when Michael asked him to produce for him, because Dre said he thought Michael wouldn't listen to him in the studio or some shit. Dre's on a power trip, but I can't really blame him because he generally knows what's gonna sound the best and sell the most.
What the hell??? Thas crazy as hell.
Yesterday on the VMAs, Ludacris was talkin about when he jumped on the "Yeah" track with Usher and Lil Jon, and he was like "This is what happens when superstars work together" and that is probably the realest shit I ever heard him say. Seein how humongous of a track that was, because it was three big artists on it, these big headed mafuckers need to do the same.
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It's simple. They both got huge ass egos. Probably Snoop more so than Dre. Snoop just doesn't wanna be looked at like he relies on Dre to make hot shit. It's the same shit from off that skit on Tha Doggfather. Plus, Snoop gonna get his paper anyways because us dumbass fans got his back regardless of how many weak or mediocre albums he put out. Neither one of em are stupid, they know they are possibly the best duo in rap history.
I think it comes down to 1 thing, really, it's a power trip. Dre don't like to work with people that he can't tell what to do in the studio, because basically, what Dre hears in his head, usually sounds pretty fucking good. So on the chronic and doggystyle, he was literally telling Snoop "sing it like this, say it like that". Snoop don't like that shit, because Snoop is as big as Dre, career wise, now. Snoop @ his peak was bigger than Dre was at HIS peak, because when Dre got big with the Chronic, everybody knew Snoop wrote it. Of course Dre's had a more respectable career, but Snoop knows he's as big as Dre is in the world of rap, whether yall wanna admit it or not. Snoop's also lazy as fuck, and knows if he freestyles some song, he can finish a track in 30 minutes over some beat somebody threw him, and it'll make as much money as if he spends 5 days on a song like he did on Doggystyle. So he don't give a fuck. If he's making millions a year making tracks in 30 minutes, and just freestyling verses, going back and double tracking some of it, why would he sit down and focus and spend a week doing a song like the old days? He ain't gonna do that.
Dre is, though. Dre aint' gonna let any truly wack shit come out, so when he goes in the studio with Snoop, he's gonna spend 2 or 3 days on 1 fucking song until it sounds good.
Snoop's ego is "I'm big enough I can make anything and people will buy it because I'm one of the greatest freestylers alive"
and Dre's ego is
"Everything I put out is going to be perfect or I'm not gonna put it out"
Remember, when Michael Jackson was making his album, Dr. Dre turned him down when Michael asked him to produce for him, because Dre said he thought Michael wouldn't listen to him in the studio or some shit. Dre's on a power trip, but I can't really blame him because he generally knows what's gonna sound the best and sell the most.
Very true. Snoop's next album will be very important when it comes to his future as a major rap artist. If he fucks up, I hope he goes back home to Dre.
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i dont think we'll eva hear dre and snoop on a track again (actually thats fucked cus i heard westside story is bein released as a single feat snoop not 50) but no dre and snoop collabos.
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It's simple. They both got huge ass egos. Probably Snoop more so than Dre. Snoop just doesn't wanna be looked at like he relies on Dre to make hot shit. It's the same shit from off that skit on Tha Doggfather. Plus, Snoop gonna get his paper anyways because us dumbass fans got his back regardless of how many weak or mediocre albums he put out. Neither one of em are stupid, they know they are possibly the best duo in rap history.
Yea you know its kinda funny, they asked Snoop in one of those magazine interviews why Dre didnt do nothing for the 213 album and Snoop said "ask him that". they ask Warren why Dre didnt do nothing for the 213 album and Warren said "ask him that". I bet if you would ask Dre why he didnt do nothing for the 213 album Dre would say "ask them". its all about egos, they dont wanna be the one to make the first step and approach the other. I would bet my life that if one of them asked for a beat Dre wouldnt say no
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i also think that, as well as everything that you guys have said, pressure and expectations may have a lot to do with it. i mean, everything that Dre/Snoop have dropped together has been heat, theres bound to be a huge amount of pressure on them to continue that and release more shit as dope, but if the chemistry aint there, i would rather they didnt bother...kinda like the NWA reunion situation i guess... 8)
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I'd say Snoops got an ego but I wouldn't say its because he thinks hes too big to take direction. In interviews Snoop comes across very humble in regards to the superstars hes worked with, especially Dre. Back when P Diddy was in the running to produce Snoops next LP, I recall reading in an interview where Diddy was saying he went to Snoop wanting him to get Dre to produce Snoops album and Snoops attitude in the studio.
Heres a Diddy quote from the article, "His presence, his confidence onstage, in the studio ... he's just so special and his energy is so positive. If you know Snoop, he's really a comedian. I get motivated by people that help to make me better and enlighten me to stuff. Whenever we've worked in the studio, which is a couple of times, he's open to taking direction. He doesn't feel he's too big to take direction."
Since the Last Meal came out, Snoop has publicly stated he's getting/would like Dre to produce on his albums but its never happened. I remember a couple of years back when PTCTBTB was gonna be called Doggystyle 2 and Dre was meant to be producing the majority of it. Never happened though.
Its a sad state of affairs when Eve, Busta and Obie Trice can get Dre beats and Snoop and 213 can't.
Shit, I'd even be happy if they just put out a album with 50% new tracks and the rest filled with unreleased tracks they've done over the years like 'Doggystyle','G'z & Hoes' and "The Next Episode OG.' Dre must be sitting on some classic tracks/beats from back in the day. If any two artists can meet the expectations of a full collab album it'd be Dre and Snoop.
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PS: 'Buck Em' off NLTD is tight as hell and doesn't seem to get enough respect as a Snoop & Dre collab. The beat was on point and Snoops flow was crazy on that track.
I always thought that song was one of the best on the album.
Yeah it was, ''Fuck Em'' had a tight beat and yeah SNoop's flow was crazy...The real name of the track is ''Fuck 'Em'' but it was on the back cover called ''Buck Em'' and ''Bitch Please'' was ''B Please'' and ''Down 4 My Niggaz'' was ''Down 4 My N's'', they censored the whole shit...
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PS: 'Buck Em' off NLTD is tight as hell and doesn't seem to get enough respect as a Snoop & Dre collab. The beat was on point and Snoops flow was crazy on that track.
I always thought that song was one of the best on the album.
Yeah it was, ''Fuck Em'' had a tight beat and yeah SNoop's flow was crazy...The real name of the track is ''Fuck 'Em'' but it was on the back cover called ''Buck Em'' and ''Bitch Please'' was ''B Please'' and ''Down 4 My Niggaz'' was ''Down 4 My N's'', they censored the whole shit...
Are you sure bro? Cuz I could've sworn the real track name is "Buck Em", obviously talking about shooting peeps up, which is basically what the whole track is implying?
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the tracks on the wash soundtrack were juss terriible
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the tracks on the wash soundtrack were juss terriible
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Yeah I think it boils down to ego's. I hope one of them swallows their pride and they start doing music again. This bullshit needs tostop. I mean really they are IMO the best rapper / producer duo ever. (guru and primo #2). But as long as people keep supporting Snoop, then he'll continue to go this bullshit route.
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the tracks on the wash soundtrack were juss terriible
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lol...
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hhaahaha o shit
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on the blvd is the weakest dre/snoop track. maybe bcoz dre didnt produce it. but its still a cool track.
peace
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everyone is just guessing.. yall dont know shit.. and neither do i...
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on the blvd is the weakest dre/snoop track. maybe bcoz dre didnt produce it. but its still a cool track.
peace
I thought that wasn't a bad track, wasn't the song I listened to the most between them but its good