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Lifestyle => Tha G-Spot => Topic started by: Maestro Minded on August 10, 2002, 12:40:12 PM
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Most People Here Consider Mozart As The Greatest Composer Ever Lived, But If I Would Ask Yall To State A Composition He've Written, Yall Can Only State "The Marriage of Figaro". And Most Of Yall Havent Even Heard Of It Exept A 1-2 Min Snippet. Is Everybody Jumping On The Wagon When Agreeing That Mozart Is The Greatest, Even They Dont Know A Shit About His Work??
I Consider Peter Tchaikovsky As The GOAT... Unlike Mozart, Tchaikovsky Mastered Both Piano-Concerts AND Symphony-Concerts Very Well. I Dont Think Anybody Really Could Master A Cymphony-Orchestra The Way He Did. And Belive Me, A Tchaikovsky Play Is Atleast 5 Times More Difficult To Write Than A Mozart-Play, Because Of The Fact That Tchaikovsky Used More Than 40 Diffrent Kinds Of Instruments When Creating His Work. Evrything Gotta Be Perfectly Harmonised. Nutcracker & Swanlake (Both Symphony-Orchestrals) Are His Greatest Works And Have Been Used In More Than 50 Movies. When You Watch A Movie With Knights And Horses,Its Often Tchaikovskys Themes That Are Playing In The Background. But Most People Dont Know It.
And Theres A Couple Other Composers That I Consider Better Than Mozart:
Beethoven
Chopin
Vivaldi
maby Bach.. im not sure
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What about my nigga John Williams, peeps some of his shit, its awesome. Mozart is proberly not the best but I duno.
1 more thing man. get out more.!!!
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What about my nigga John Williams, peeps some of his shit, its awesome. Mozart is proberly not the best but I duno.
1 more thing man. get out more.!!!
please dont tell me that John Williams is a modern composer, cause i really dont think modern composers got anything to bring..
and what do you mean with "get out more"?
is it wrong to have knowledge?
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They're all wack if you ask me, all glorified out of porportion, I'd rather listen to the music of Native Americans tribes, that's the real shit. Fuck that European glorified bullshit. YO.... Dre's an iller composer than Mozart. It's not about how many instruments you play, or how complicated it was to play it.
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They're all wack if you ask me, all glorified out of porportion, I'd rather listen to the music of Native Americans tribes, that's the real shit. Fuck that European glorified bullshit. YO.... Dre's an iller composer than Mozart. It's not about how many instruments you play, or how complicated it was to play it.
LMAO u really need to stop this. u CAN'T compare dre with mozart or any classical composer for that matter. They knew more about composin then dre will EVER know. they had like 200 instruments playing A LOT of difference peices at the same time, and when done all together it fits perfectly. remember, they didn't have computer and shit then! they had pen and paper, and yet could hear the music exactly how they wanted to in their head. dre ain't 100th of the composer then mozart was
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They're all wack if you ask me, all glorified out of porportion, I'd rather listen to the music of Native Americans tribes, that's the real shit. Fuck that European glorified bullshit. YO.... Dre's an iller composer than Mozart. It's not about how many instruments you play, or how complicated it was to play it.
when Tchaikovsky compose a concert, his music "speaks".. he dont need no vocals, the instruments speaks for theirselfs. when listening to the concert, you can see what the author had in mind, you can build a story and develop it.. and the strange thing is that alotta people comes to the same conclusions...
i dont think that dre can do something like that...
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LMAO u really need to stop this. u CAN'T compare dre with mozart or any classical composer for that matter. They knew more about composin then dre will EVER know. they had like 200 instruments playing A LOT of difference peices at the same time, and when done all together it fits perfectly. remember, they didn't have computer and shit then! they had pen and paper, and yet could hear the music exactly how they wanted to in their head. dre ain't 100th of the composer then mozart was
sorry dude.. you best check your facts
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I mean get out more in that the fact that you know alot about classical music.
Actaully typing that sentacne has made me realize not to take the piss of out somebody if they know alot of sumit that they like. Dude sorry, my bad, its just me being a divvy.
peace
John williams does the theme tunes for Speilberg films. His shit is amazing. Just get John Williams : Home Alone Theme, amazing!!!
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You can't sit here and tell me that I'm supposed to like this music, and think it's magnificent and groundbreaking, when I listen to that classical bullshit my mind blacks out, my nerves tighten up, and I become real angry....if this is the reaction I'm supposed to have to "great music" then I only want to listen to bullshit.
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ur such a jackass... u wonder why ur life sucks.. u act like a dickhead
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You can't sit here and tell me that I'm supposed to like this music, and think it's magnificent and groundbreaking, when I listen to that classical bullshit my mind blacks out, my nerves tighten up, and I become real angry....if this is the reaction I'm supposed to have to "great music" then I only want to listen to bullshit.
Perhpas kids 200 years from now will think the same shit about Xzibit and Eminem...
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what ur sayin is like me sayin that 2pac is shit cuz he was overated. That's about as detailed as ur opinion getz. lol
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what ur sayin is like me sayin that 2pac is shit cuz he was overated. That's about as detailed as ur opinion getz. lol
r u talking to me?? ??
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LMAO u really need to stop this. u CAN'T compare dre with mozart or any classical composer for that matter. They knew more about composin then dre will EVER know. they had like 200 instruments playing A LOT of difference peices at the same time, and when done all together it fits perfectly. remember, they didn't have computer and shit then! they had pen and paper, and yet could hear the music exactly how they wanted to in their head. dre ain't 100th of the composer then mozart was
word......... Mozart is my Favorite of all classical composer.... written alot of his stuff for the catholic church as well..... If you sat with your eyes close well playing him... it will take you to a whole other world.... Even the littlest of sounds are like.... WOW..... i think there is alot of bias people on this board.... and they dont like to be challenge with things that are beyond there understanding...
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It's funny to me, when I'm called closed minded, and I'm a white Muslim convert living in the states.
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It's funny to me, when I'm called closed minded, and I'm a white Muslim convert living in the states.
that's got nothing to do with it tho.
u could be a gay turned lesbian, and still everyone(almost) would dissagree with ur views on this topic
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Infinite do you only like music made by people who are in some way repressed?
All of your favourite Hip Hop artists all moan about the establishment and what it does to them, you want to listen to music from Native American tribes etc.
I would be certain that if any of the classical composers most admired were muslims or from a country that had been ethnically cleansed.
STOP MAKING EVERYTHING POLITICAL!!!!
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Infinite do you only like music made by people who are in some way repressed?
All of your favourite Hip Hop artists all moan about the establishment and what it does to them, you want to listen to music from Native American tribes etc.
I would be certain that if any of the classical composers most admired were muslims or from a country that had been ethnically cleansed.
STOP MAKING EVERYTHING POLITICAL!!!!
Jay, you always try to come at me personal because you have no argument. It's simple as this, I understand that the shit Mozart and those cats did was difficult, complicated, and hard to duplicate, and I still don't like it and think it's wack as hell, how can you possibly argue that? You can't so you attack me personally, I never come at you personally I argue objectively.
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I have to come at you personally because that's the whole point. You don't like classical music. Aight. You could have said it's not your personal taste.
But instead you bring politics into it. "I'd rather listen to the music of Native Americans tribes, that's the real shit. Fuck that European glorified bullshit."
You give the impression that you won't listen to anything endorsed by the so called establishment.
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I never come at you personally I argue objectively.
Sigh... Time for another vocabulary lesson.
ob·jec·tive
adj.
1.)Of or having to do with a material object.
2.) Having actual existence or reality.
3.) Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices: an objective critic.
You do NOT argue objectively...
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Dre's an iller composer than Mozart.
HAHAHAHA. You're drunk. You'll probably burn in hell or something just for that 1 comment, LOL (Just kidding)
But seriously. I had a vision last night, it was more like a dream. Mozart was there. Mozart had a baby grand, Dre had a Trinity Sinth. Dre was begging him if he could teach him something about composing, and Mozart said "Bitch, I can't pour the ocean in a tea cup. Get the Fizz Out Before I have to pull my Strizz Out, Playa". Dre wrote down what Mozart said, gonna loop it on his next single.
Then, I Was transported, magically, to a time, 6 years later. Dre was still in the same place, still trying to bang out a beat with Mozarts help. Mozart had fell asleep, and his wig fell off, hit a few keys, and landed on the ground. Dre recorded it, looped it, sold 2 million copies. After Mozart sued him for Plagerizm, he blamed it on Scott Storch.
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You can't sit here and tell me that I'm supposed to like this music, and think it's magnificent and groundbreaking, when I listen to that classical bullshit my mind blacks out, my nerves tighten up, and I become real angry....if this is the reaction I'm supposed to have to "great music" then I only want to listen to bullshit.
So just because you're messed up, Classical music is Crap, and Mozart is untalented? Grow up, and Accept responsiblity.
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Man,this thread just really pisses me off. Infinite, when will you realize you're a hypocrite?
1. You bitch when people stereotype people, but you do the same thing of all composers, by saying they're all European upper class (you told me this before). After I explained to you that most of them started out dirt poor, you still claim it.
2. You just said that you didn't like it because they're european. That's kind of prejudiced, isn't it?
3. You do INDEED not like anything mainstream. You feel like *sniff *sniff Boo Hoo your FREEDOM is being opressed. GET A F*cking CLUE!!!! You're White! You're *NOT* being opressed, in ANY friekin' slight imaginary definition of the word.
4. "I'm not gonna like it just because some teacher told me too". Of COURSE you're not. Instead of being open minded, and not having an opinion, since the teacher "told you to", you're gonna hate it, because you're a cripple who can't make his own decisions. You just take everybody elses decision, and roll with the oposite, then dare somebody to say something, because you're a screw-up.
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I'll explain a normal person to you, maybe you could shoot for it. Take me for example. Personally, I don't like mozart very much, but I realize he was talented. I love beethoven, and especially like Bach, because I like how emotional their music was. Beethoven put a lot of passion in his music, and Bach put a lot of great melodies in his. Beethoven's is fierce and depressing, Bach's is sad and beautiful. Notice, I don't like all classical music, and don't hate all of it, but like what I like. I don't generalize what I haven't heard... and I'm not afraid to be man enough to enjoy pretty music, or man enough to go against the popular vote (I don't like mozart).
Tupac? I love some of his songs, think some of them suck. I don't care what other people think about it, and I don't hate all his music just because I think he was a hypocrite. Puffy? I can't stand him, but love a few of his songs. I even like some of the pop crap that comes on the radio, and hate other parts.
In other words: Stop just taking the tails side of the popular vote. It's gay. Don't do it.
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Man,this thread just really pisses me off. Infinite, when will you realize you're a hypocrite?
1. You bitch when people stereotype people, but you do the same thing of all composers, by saying they're all European upper class (you told me this before). After I explained to you that most of them started out dirt poor, you still claim it.
2. You just said that you didn't like it because they're european. That's kind of prejudiced, isn't it?
3. You do INDEED not like anything mainstream. You feel like *sniff *sniff Boo Hoo your FREEDOM is being opressed. GET A F*cking CLUE!!!! You're White! You're *NOT* being opressed, in ANY friekin' slight imaginary definition of the word.
4. "I'm not gonna like it just because some teacher told me too". Of COURSE you're not. Instead of being open minded, and not having an opinion, since the teacher "told you to", you're gonna hate it, because you're a cripple who can't make his own decisions. You just take everybody elses decision, and roll with the oposite, then dare somebody to say something, because you're a screw-up.
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I'll explain a normal person to you, maybe you could shoot for it. Take me for example. Personally, I don't like mozart very much, but I realize he was talented. I love beethoven, and especially like Bach, because I like how emotional their music was. Beethoven put a lot of passion in his music, and Bach put a lot of great melodies in his. Beethoven's is fierce and depressing, Bach's is sad and beautiful. Notice, I don't like all classical music, and don't hate all of it, but like what I like. I don't generalize what I haven't heard... and I'm not afraid to be man enough to enjoy pretty music, or man enough to go against the popular vote (I don't like mozart).
Tupac? I love some of his songs, think some of them suck. I don't care what other people think about it, and I don't hate all his music just because I think he was a hypocrite. Puffy? I can't stand him, but love a few of his songs. I even like some of the pop crap that comes on the radio, and hate other parts.
In other words: Stop just taking the tails side of the popular vote. It's gay. Don't do it.
1. There's plenty of things I like that are considered "mainstreem."
2. I never said those composers weren't talented, but to me, it's still wack.
3. Yes I am white. What is your point? Islam has nothing to do with race. You should know that. If you weren't so brief and narrow minded.
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Uhhh, yeah what death said...
infinity, u jus got shit on!!! take it like a man and except defeat
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3. Yes I am white. What is your point? Islam has nothing to do with race. You should know that. If you weren't so brief and narrow minded.
Weren't you the one who taught us all that, "Black people should convert back to Islam" because that's what they were in Africa? LOL. You're such a hypocrite. Roll over and die.
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Weren't you the one who taught us all that, "Black people should convert back to Islam" because that's what they were in Africa? LOL. You're such a hypocrite. Roll over and die.
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that statement is actually tru... but lets keep the beef outta this thread...
Trauma.. what do you think of Tchaikovsky ?? ;D
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classical music had influenced music of yesturday, the music of today, and will have the music of tomorrow...think about it, this motherfucking composers had NOTHING to work with, cuz today any jack could make a beat in 5-10 minutes but back then...everything was pen and paper..i also heard that one of the great composer correct me if i'm wrong but i heard he was deaf for christ sakes!!!! but yet still came with timeless masterpieces...the point is..this motherfuckers are the blueprints of what music is today....every music genre has some if not a lot of classical music influence..even hip-hop....i mean personally, i can't stand classical music period. but you gotta give credit where its due...i even went to see this classical music show in university of minnesota twin cities campus (it was free ;D) and they were performing music from fucking no-names of that time and it was still pretty fucking good..so imagine peeps like mozart, bach, beethoven, they are fucking geniuses...i mean i hate the music but you gotta respect the art they created..
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to Me the best composer is between Mozart and Beethoven
i had to do a research paper on Beethoven, but I got a lot of information on Mozart as well.. both genius men
but...to me I think maybe Beethoven just his styles and everything and learned to do everything......plus he was deaf throughout some of his best work
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Weren't you the one who taught us all that, "Black people should convert back to Islam" because that's what they were in Africa? LOL. You're such a hypocrite. Roll over and die.
Slaves were taken from Northern Africa, much of Northern Africa then and now practices Islam, therefore many of those slaves were Muslims. I would recommend Islam to any descendant of the trans-atlantic slave trade, but it isn't like I would persecute them if they said no..... it's no different than you sendin me PM's to try to get me to open up to Christianity, Muhammad tried to convert people to Islam, just like Jesus tried to convert people, there's nothing wrong with that.
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Slaves were taken from Northern Africa, much of Northern Africa then and now practices Islam, therefore many of those slaves were Muslims. I would recommend Islam to any descendant of the trans-atlantic slave trade, but it isn't like I would persecute them if they said no..... it's no different than you sendin me PM's to try to get me to open up to Christianity, Muhammad tried to convert people to Islam, just like Jesus tried to convert people, there's nothing wrong with that.
But that's not what you said. At the time, you said they ALL should convert back. You didn't say it was their individual choice, you said ALL black christians should become muslims. What an idiot. here's the link
http://forum.igangsta.com/cgi-bin/wcc/YaBB.pl?board=thehall;action=display;num=1019728511
Read where people point blank asked you that. You didn't say they should choose for themselves.
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But Anyways, I don't know much about Tchi- whoeva. I know some of his stuff, but I'm not a huge fan (Yet) LOL. I should probably listen to more.
My favorite is Bach, i'm not sure if I mentioned that. Bach and Beethoven, I'm not really a huge Mozart fan. Interesting note, if you look at MOzart's manuscripts, he wrote out his works with perfection, no mistakes, from his mind. Beethoven worked over his, they're covered by furious scribbles and marked out notes, etc. So, Mozart kinda came by it naturally, the prodigy... Beethoven was more of the Genius madman. Peace~
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But Anyways, I don't know much about Tchi- whoeva. I know some of his stuff, but I'm not a huge fan (Yet) LOL. I should probably listen to more.
My favorite is Bach, i'm not sure if I mentioned that. Bach and Beethoven, I'm not really a huge Mozart fan. Interesting note, if you look at MOzart's manuscripts, he wrote out his works with perfection, no mistakes, from his mind. Beethoven worked over his, they're covered by furious scribbles and marked out notes, etc. So, Mozart kinda came by it naturally, the prodigy... Beethoven was more of the Genius madman. Peace~
com ooon.. u havent heard swan lake?? .. thats probably the tightest composition ever.. go to your library and borrow the cd..
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I'll check it out, for real. I probably have heard Swan Lake, and just don't recognize it, or something.
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Darth, you're the fucking Man.
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"Dre's an iller compser than Mozart"
That was the most blatantly, ignorant thing i've seen on this board. And i've seen A LOT
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gimme dr. dre
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i remember a couple years ago infant was claiming that all music before the 1980's was garbage and not worth listening to at all
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Weren't you the one who taught us all that, "Black people should convert back to Islam" because that's what they were in Africa? LOL. You're such a hypocrite. Roll over and die.
Slaves were taken from Northern Africa, much of Northern Africa then and now practices Islam, therefore many of those slaves were Muslims. I would recommend Islam to any descendant of the trans-atlantic slave trade, but it isn't like I would persecute them if they said no..... it's no different than you sendin me PM's to try to get me to open up to Christianity, Muhammad tried to convert people to Islam, just like Jesus tried to convert people, there's nothing wrong with that.
hahaha he really thought the arab north africans above the sahara desert were brought to america as slaves