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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: bez on October 29, 2004, 09:46:37 AM
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Hes from Poerto Rico right? (cant spell it) but this dude is white. He ain't half cast, hes white, simple as. Why can he say nigga and get away with it?
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??? Good question
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Maybe someone can ask him in an interview, which would be controversial, and then he'll say why he can say it
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why can a negro say nigger to a negro and why is a whity not allowed to?
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Most Puerto Rican/Dominican/Cuban peeps have African roots. Most are raised around Blacks(especially in NY) so it becomes apart of their vocab. They know the struggles of being a nigga, since they get treated the same way.
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Fat Joe's spanish roots are far more prominent in him, and the Spanish are just as, if not more, responsible for the slave trade as the Americans.
If a black man is bothered when a white person says it then he shouldn't say it either. I am not bothered when someone calls me greek, but I understand that black people find it offensive so I would never use the word towards them. I think they should just let everyone use it without getting offended, and after a few generations it won't mean anything. The racist will be racist no matter what.
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He is not white....wtf U talkin bout? He is Puerto Rican....check your history books....
don't get your panties up in a bunch about that shit, if black folks understand, then you should too....if U come from the struggle, it's not a big deal what you say....especially when have you have black roots.
in Northern California for example, Mexicans say 'nigga' all they want because there's a "black n brown" unity, they in the same hoods and they've connected....they are looked upon as the same....but in Southern California, most Mexicans beef with blacks and there are race wars everywhere, so it's not cool to say it out there....it juss depends where ure from.
U see how arabic people say it, they're the same way, they also have black roots....the Eastern N Southern parts of the middle east always traded with africa because it was so close to them....that caused them to have interracial relationships and have kids after awhile....this is like 3000 years ago....they here in the same urban hoods in America now setting up shop and dwell wit the people of the same struggle....so they say it all they want with nobody trippin too....plus people label em sand niggas anyway....
it all depends on your upbringing....but U may ask why can't a white dood say it if he in the same hood in the same struggle? well....dats because of history too, it's all on history, history is what makes us who we are....white doods just CAN'T, gotta deal wit it.
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^^Yup.
I was gonna bring that up. NY has a lot of unity between Blacks and Latinos. Same with the Bay(like you pointed out), Houston, Miami and various other places. That's why Latinos from those areas will say Nigga.
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Joe is puerto ricans, i kno a lot of puerto ricans that have a very similar skin tone that he has.
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what rod says pretty much sums it up
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it's not really about being black or not
a dude can be white as it gets as long as he grew up around blacks, enduring the tribulations of a ghetto kid there aint nothing wrong with saying nigga
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it is sumthin about the way...fat joe says nigga..its funny hearin him say it..to me... cuz when he talks in interviews its like every 5th word or sumthin...
ion see why white boys cant say nigga.. i feel what rod is sayin.. tell u the truth..im black.. i dont give a shit what u say 4real...long as u dont call me sayin u pregnant ..or i cant make money.i call people out their name 25-8.. i be in stores and stuff..white people come up ask me can i help u.. i be like yea bitch get a nigga them 95 airmax in a 13 or whatever..thats jus how i talk
and i got friends who be on that i wish a peckerwood would call me a nigga shit and i be like nigga u aint gone do a muhfuckin thang.. end up gettin ya ass mopped..
imo niggas need to get over that shit..i mean it aint affectin the way u make money, sleep, raise ya kids, listen to ya music, how u eat, how u walk,fuck, sing..so what the problem is..
imo nigga or nigger is the only word that makes black folks feel superior over everybody else...thats the truth..
history is bullshit..kuz how i know white folks was runnin round in the 1700's- 1960's callin blacks niggas, spooks coons and that other shit..if they were.. them words was made up and didnt have meanin 2 em.. and whomever answered to the 1st person to say hey nigger..was dumb ass..kuz nigger wasnt that dumb ass nigga name..smh.. if that dumb ass woman or man.. never answered to em.. this word wouldnt even be a big deal.. that goes 4 all the racist words.. if whomever answered to the words ya race calls racist or prejudice or immoral.. blame that dumbass fucker 4 answerin.. they momma or daddy didnt name em whatever that word is..
i mean if it aint ya name why the fuck u answerin.. u the dumb ass gettin upset...
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wat if someone is white .. but there great great great grandfather was black/puerto rican?
so the person can still go around sayin nigga jus cos hes roots are black even tho hes white ??
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nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga
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i guess its aight if Ricans and Dominicans say nigga but i know down here if a Mexican/hispanic/chicano whatever u wanna call us if we say nigga we get hated on by all the blacks and mexicans... i was raised never to say nigga or be called a nigga enless ur jokeing around but i know if any other race says it around blacks they get there ass whooped... plus it looks so fucking dumb to say it if ur not black but thats just my opinion
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U see how arabic people say it, they're the same way, they also have black roots....the Eastern N Southern parts of the middle east always traded with africa because it was so close to them....that caused them to have interracial relationships and have kids after awhile....this is like 3000 years ago....they here in the same urban hoods in America now setting up shop and dwell wit the people of the same struggle....so they say it all they want with nobody trippin too....plus people label em sand niggas anyway....
it all depends on your upbringing....but U may ask why can't a white dood say it if he in the same hood in the same struggle? well....dats because of history too, it's all on history, history is what makes us who we are....white doods just CAN'T, gotta deal wit it.
whites who are in the hood and raised around blacks can say it, it's not their fault other whites used to enslave blacks, IF the word is not necessarily for one race only then all other races have the same right to say it. Some hypocrites don't want to accept it but others do, it's not a rule that no white dude will ever say nigga without anybody sayin shit, it always depends on who it is.. Mr Doc or COS for example be saying it more often than the average black dude and ain't nobody trippin
as for arabs
Throughout the 17th century, the Arabs attempted to reestablish links with their East African outposts. This led to an ongoing series of confrontations with the Portuguese to establish dominance. The Omani ships prevailed and by the early 1700s, the Portuguese had been routed completely. By 1720, the last remaining Portuguese left for good leaving the East African coast again under Arab control. Other than a cross overlooking the sea near Mombasa, virtually no other trace of the hated Portuguese rule remains today.
The 18th century brought an emphasis on rebuilding the cities and reestablishing the once thriving trade routes. Under the leadership of the Sultan of Oman, Seyyid Said, the Arabs worked to regain economic and political supremacy over the region. The island of Zanzibar quickly became the center of a very lucrative trade in slaves and ivory from the interior and spices from the island itself.
During this time, Arab slavers moved into the interior of Kenya with the primary goal of exploiting rivalries between local tribes. The Arabs encouraged the powerful groups to conquer their weaker neighbors and sell them into slavery. The slaves were then forced to the coast and on to Zanzibar to be traded. Both ivory and slaves were hugely profitable and Zanzibar grew rich on the trade. This pattern continued despite the public outrage in Europe demanding an end to all slave trade. Eventually, the British brought their forceful anti-slavery message directly to the Sultan as they established a consulate at his court. After years of pressure, the Sultan finally relented and agreed to ban slavery in 1847.
http://www.africawithin.com/tour/kenya/slavery.htm
arabs were hella active in the "slavery business", there's no reason for them to have more rights to say nigga then whites do
and unlike whites, arabs are still officially doin it
This, though, has no bearing on the abominations in the western part of the country, in the region called Darfur. There, Arab militias, supported by the government in Khartoum, have been slaughtering, raping, torturing and enslaving - yes, slavery thrives in Sudan - black Africans. The refugee estimate is between 1 million and 2 million, and the area, which is about the size of France, has been so decimated that one can reportedly drive for 50 miles without seeing a living being. What you will see are burned villages and scorched earth. And desecrated bodies.
http://www.audarya-fellowship.com/showflat/cat/WorldNews/79474/0/collapsed/5/o/1
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*looks up thread where Sinister was arguin' with Bez for using nigga in his rhymes*
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This Argument Could Go With B-Real As Well
Im Mexican, I grew up in a crip hood, all my homies were black or mexican growing up, and right now, out of all of us, im the only one who doesnt say "Nigga" when i talk to my black homies, all my other mexican homies do, and say it like it aint nuthing, but i dont, i dunno why, i just think its a dumb word to use....I Call Them "Brothers" Cuz they really are like brothers or cuzins to me, we're all family, but sometimes they clown on me cuz they think i think im betta then them or sumthin (so they say)...but the point to my jabber is, it does depend where you grew up at, if you grow up with black people, you will get used to they're lifestyles and vocab (hence my current addiction to black and milds)..but its all good, as long as you keep it in your hood, dont be expecting other people to be ok with it as well
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some people are ignorant, a good reason to snap on a mothafucka for saying the N word is if he's trying to be offensive, otherwise it's pointless, rappers don't use this word to racially offend anybody as we all know, than why be dumb about it.
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This Argument Could Go With B-Real As Well
Im Mexican, I grew up in a crip hood, all my homies were black or mexican growing up, and right now, out of all of us, im the only one who doesnt say "Nigga" when i talk to my black homies, all my other mexican homies do, and say it like it aint nuthing, but i dont, i dunno why, i just think its a dumb word to use....I Call Them "Brothers" Cuz they really are like brothers or cuzins to me, we're all family, but sometimes they clown on me cuz they think i think im betta then them or sumthin (so they say)...but the point to my jabber is, it does depend where you grew up at, if you grow up with black people, you will get used to they're lifestyles and vocab (hence my current addiction to black and milds)..but its all good, as long as you keep it in your hood, dont be expecting other people to be ok with it as well
LOL. for a second I thought this really is engel and I was like "WTF??!?" :D
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*sighs*
i'm gettin tired of this. the human species cannot be divided into races, much less so today than ever. you cannot draw clear lines...some people are considered white being darker than some who ain't, there's europeans with abpout the skin color of Ma$e and there's light-skin latinos like joe. it just don't worklike that
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History don't make me, I'mma tell you that. I give a FUCK what my ancestors did. Why the shit some spanish dudes did 500 years ago should define me as a person and decide what I can or can't say? I say whatever I want to say and the only important thing is the meaning it's got, fuck about my skin, my race or my upbringing.
And what's with all that racist sensibilities? Black rappers be insulting, threating and disrespecting white people in their rhymes all the time and nobody says a word... everybody acts as it's normal. But then a white guy says the word "nigga" (without no intention to disrespect) and he's crucified. This is a hypocrite world we livin' in.
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i think its sad when someone gets pissed when they hear the word nigger out of some white mans mouth. when a black guy says; WHITEY!! to me. ill be like; hmmm okay ::).
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^truth
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how about nobody says it
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im white and i say it...nigga nigga nigga...who cares 8)
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^ EXACTLY
<~ :)
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I'm black, I don't say the word "nigga" and I don't like people around me saying it either. I've had to check way too many people on that. If you ain't black and you're saying that shit that's just plain disrespectful in my eyes since they haven't had to experience the struggle.
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no offense but I think that the negro thing is for the ethnics...so I think that a White Person calling a black guy negro is disrespecful due to the fact that they took us as slaves...personally I dont mind having latinos calling me nigga cuz in a way it means "Strong Man" since thats how slaves were...but if its taking as a Diss I'd slap the person, as for a white dude calling a black nigga its just wrong because of the history behind it.
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I'm black, I don't say the word "nigga" and I don't like people around me saying it either. I've had to check way too many people on that. If you ain't black and you're saying that shit that's just plain disrespectful in my eyes since they haven't had to experience the struggle.
No offense but I am sure you havn't and didn't experience "the struggle".
Too many black people dickride, you and your family probably sat on their asses while they where being taken as slaves, didn't do shit. Just because you had people like Malcom X and Martin Luther that actually stood up and protested and won your rights to freedom you think you've personally experienced "the struggle, I don't see how.
People like the people who went on the marches, wore the I'm Black but still a man signs, people who actually tried to do something about it...they are the ones with experience, not you. If you wasn't even born then why do you think you experienced it?
Oh and Fat Joe is white. If we go by skin colour, he is white.
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wat constitutes a struglle? in your eyes [juronimo]
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my view is this....everybody is always screaming "racism" "reverse racism" blah blah blah....well (correct me if im wrong) but the definition of racism is seperating one race from another and treating them differently.....racism being treated badly and reverse is being treated well because of your race....so if people want racism to stop....then why seperate races by saying "its ok for blacks and hispanics to say nigga but not white people"....either let everyone say it or dont say it at all. simple as that...if a black guy is gonna go around saying nigga then a white guy should be able to do it to. saying nigga is a little different than saying "nigger pick my cotton before i sell you to mr. charlie".
personally im tired of all this im black and i deserve shit for what white people did to my ancestors. i didnt whip you or your family, i didnt enslave your family. my ancestors may have....but that doesnt mean i owe you anything. reperations...bullshit. saying nigga....bullshit. affirmative action....bullshit.
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^^LMAO. That post reminds me of the episode where Dave Chappelle shows his appearance on Donahue for the show entitled "Angry White Men."
Anyway, I don't see how it's OK for whites to say Nigga (unless the black person they're saying it to has no problem with it) since it IS a term that was used by whites to be hurtful towards blacks. If a Black person uses it, that shouldn't give you a green light, at all.
"(And this is for) Anyway white boy who thinks he knows my struggle/Cuz he listens to Pac and his adrenaline doubles/Now I ain't got problems with your being yourself/But when you front and use the N-Word it just don't help/I might not trip and ya friends'll laugh at you/But I know some real niggas that'll straight up slap you/Now you can be down, but let's act growed up/Cuz we ain't the same color when Police show up/My cultures not a trend, being Black is not in/But for you, it's just a faze you gonna have to transcend/While, even if I tried, I could never blend in/To societies mainstream, American dream..." - Murs
Period! That should sum it up right there. Sorry guys, I don't know why you want to say Nigga so much. I don't know why you feel so threatened that you're not allowed to use it. Let it go.
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^^LMAO. That post reminds me of the episode where Dave Chappelle shows his appearance on Donahue for the show entitled "Angry White Men."
Anyway, I don't see how it's OK for whites to say Nigga (unless the black person they're saying it to has no problem with it) since it IS a term that was used by whites to be hurtful towards blacks. If a Black person uses it, that shouldn't give you a green light, at all.
"(And this is for) Anyway white boy who thinks he knows my struggle/Cuz he listens to Pac and his adrenaline doubles/Now I ain't got problems with your being yourself/But when you front and use the N-Word it just don't help/I might not trip and ya friends'll laugh at you/But I know some real niggas that'll straight up slap you/Now you can be down, but let's act growed up/Cuz we ain't the same color when Police show up/My cultures not a trend, being Black is not in/But for you, it's just a faze you gonna have to transcend/While, even if I tried, I could never blend in/To societies mainstream, American dream..." - Murs
Period! That should sum it up right there. Sorry guys, I don't know why you want to say Nigga so much. I don't know why you feel so threatened that you're not allowed to use it. Let it go.
"Good music transcends all physical limits
It's more than something that you hear, it's something that you feel
When the author and experience and passion is real"
same song as you prolly know. I always found this contradictory in a way, because first he implies that white boys can't relate to black struggle cuz they listen to Pac. This on the other hand (being the answer to "why would you listen to Murs' black ass?") says that you do relate to music when it's, in the literal meaning of the word, real stuff. You can now argue that a white boy relating to the 'struggle' through music is not the same as a Latino relating to it cause he grew up under similar circumstances. But what about a white who grew up like that then? The slavery argument is not such a great one unless you're a pure Aztec/Maya or something, but the Spanish were very involved in that business and a real high percentage of American Latinos do have Spanish blood. And what about Latinos who grew up in rich families (also in Latin America) ? They can relate only through music as well, so in the case of Latinos you'd have to make it a matter of social status? And then we got the skin tone thing. Fat Joe is optically pretty white. So uhm, if I'm a european browner than joe, can i say nigga? am i non-white? etc...
to sum it up, all the line-drawing doesn't work for me. i don't want to say nigga and i'm not meaning to attack anybody, but all that just makes me question why fat joe can say nigga and 'whites' (which seems to go from orange-hair-summersaults-snow-white-skin people to black-hair-brown-skin persons) cannot
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^^^The word isn't about skin color. Yes, Fat Joe is light skinned. So was Pun. So is Pitbull. So is B-Real. Big deal. They were raised with Black people, they were treated as niggas. I highly doubt any of them were treated as White Europeans, despite their skin color.
That's the point! So if Bez was treated like a nigga, I don't see why he CAN'T use the term. But, if he wasn't, which I'm sure is the case, he has no reason to use the term.
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Why can he say nigga and get away with it?
The same reason men are considered cool for fucking 100's of women, and women are considered sluts if they fuck more than 4 or 5 men.
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and so became the double standard
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all i gotta say is the language changes through the years. The word "nigga" might replace black in 2074
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They all can be perceived as racist, it's just all in the eyes of the beholder. I call my brother things like 'Motherfucker" all the time...... but I'm talking about my own Brother, lol. If anybody else called him that, I'd beat his ass. I don't think the word "Nigga" means anything. It's just a throwaway word people like fat joe have become used to saying, like I've become used to saying "dude" all the time. I go in Wal-Mart and the guy hands me my change, I say "thanks dude". I didn't even realize I did it until my brother told me I sound like an idiot. I don't give a fuck, it's just what I've become accustomed to saying.... Fat Joe's probably the same way, he probably doesn't even realize he says it, so of course he doesn't mean anything by it.
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^^^The word isn't about skin color. Yes, Fat Joe is light skinned. So was Pun. So is Pitbull. So is B-Real. Big deal. They were raised with Black people, they were treated as niggas. I highly doubt any of them were treated as White Europeans, despite their skin color.
That's the point! So if Bez was treated like a nigga, I don't see why he CAN'T use the term. But, if he wasn't, which I'm sure is the case, he has no reason to use the term.
I agree someone who wasn't raised around blacks and therefore not used to saying it and starts saying it all of a sudden it's pathetic but it's not raciist against blacks if we talkin about people who obviously uses it like "son, dude,.." like white mcs who hang with blacks all the time.
Persons who start saying it all of a sudden (like if Eminem did) would look like wiggas but that's not racist against blacks. Since that person seems to prefer the black race over the white (as he's tryin to be like blacks) he is rather insulting his own race, not the black one.
If a black dude's ashamed of being black and tryin to be white (somehow), who will more likely be mad at him a black or a white person?
yeah.. yet when a white dude's tryin to be black cause he doesn't like his own race as much, it's yet again a black person who's mad him? seems like those who are like being angry
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^^^The word isn't about skin color. Yes, Fat Joe is light skinned. So was Pun. So is Pitbull. So is B-Real. Big deal. They were raised with Black people, they were treated as niggas. I highly doubt any of them were treated as White Europeans, despite their skin color.
That's the point! So if Bez was treated like a nigga, I don't see why he CAN'T use the term. But, if he wasn't, which I'm sure is the case, he has no reason to use the term.
okay. if a white, having grown up under the same circumstances can say that, it's no more contradictory, if he can't it is IMO
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Glad to see everyones different points of view of this. It just caught my eyes when watching the New York video. I was like, dam Fat Joe says nigga alot considering he's white. I knew that of course he was Peurto Rican so therefore he had black/spanish roots but I still don't see how that really makes him any different from a person like me, straight up white, no blacks/spanish people in my family saying nigga.
Thats simply because, whites called blacks niggas because they where black. Whites wouldn't go upto a Peutro Rican dood and call him a nigga, simply because he aint black. Quite a differcult situation to sum up if you ask me.
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This is a constant debate that there is really no right or wrong answer. Its fucked up, the world we live in. Theres almost a double standard for everything these days. I for one, hang out with a few colored people, and I would never refer to them as "nigga" out of respect. I dont think its right for someone who is black to call another black guy "nigga" either, but its something that, over time we have gotton used to.
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what rod says pretty much sums it up
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another thing is the etymology. "Nigger" comes from the spanish "negro" which means nothing else than "black" (Ras Kass claims it's "spanish for black object, meaning we're not really people", but i think he should get his facts straight cuz it might as well mean "black person" from all i know, los que hablan espanol perfectamente, decidme si no es asi), so "negroe" it is just a reference to color and "nigger" is the pejorative term that evolved from that. but theoretically that would mean it is indeed about your skin, not about how you grew up or anything and hence if you're as white as joey you can't say it. That's just another way to look at it, i'm not saying you necessarily have to