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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Kill on November 03, 2004, 12:16:06 PM
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Like the great majority of Europeans and the world population, I would have voted Kerry if i was a US citizen. I agree with the opinion of Bush being one of the worst US Presidents the world has seen in a while, which is very popular in europe, but also i admit to not having any very detailed knowledge on politics, still I guess it's at least as much as the average US citizen has. Now why I'm making this post is not cause I'm trying to lamely hate or complain - Bush's victory was a fair one this time and he was voted for by the majority of the people too - but because I'm sincerely trying to understand why in the US a person like Bush, who wouldn't stand a chance of winning in any western european or other american country, takes this election. So my basic question is a simple one:
Why do you think George W. Bush is a good president?
as simple as this post/thread is, i'm seriously asking a serious question, so i hope for serious explanations, no childish 'weamericansarebetterthanyoueuropeans' (cuz i got enuff of that, also vice versa) or 'fuckkerrysfrenchspeakinass' replies...so tell me and bring up your points, peace
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u beat me to it...i was gonna post almost the exact same question...
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i support bush just because i hate kerry, but i think people blow everything to do with bush out of proportion because they hate him. so in other words, he may not be the best guy to have running the country, but he isnt as bad as everyone says......and IMO, better than what kerry would have been
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u beat me to it...i was gonna post almost the exact same question...
coo...we'll both see...
i support bush just because i hate kerry, but i think people blow everything to do with bush out of proportion because they hate him. so in other words, he may not be the best guy to have running the country, but he isnt as bad as everyone says......and IMO, better than what kerry would have been
ok, i see that and i even agree with shit getting blown outta proportion at times, but
1. you having him in your avatar suggests, you do actually support him
2. you haven't brought up any points as to why he's better than kerry and 'not as bad as everyone says'
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I agree with the opinion of Bush being one of the worst US Presidents the world has seen in a while
Hmmmmm....I wonder why he received the highest popular vote ever then?
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u beat me to it...i was gonna post almost the exact same question...
coo...we'll both see...
i support bush just because i hate kerry, but i think people blow everything to do with bush out of proportion because they hate him. so in other words, he may not be the best guy to have running the country, but he isnt as bad as everyone says......and IMO, better than what kerry would have been
ok, i see that and i even agree with shit getting blown outta proportion at times, but
1. you having him in your avatar suggests, you do actually support him
2. you haven't brought up any points as to why he's better than kerry and 'not as bad as everyone says'
1. well, i dont hate the guy, i hate his support of israel but thats about it. but yeah i guess i am supporting him
2.as the great bez once said....."kerry is faker than a pair of hollywood tits"....or something to that effect. from what i read kerry was going to help out illegal immigrants had he won, which i disagree with.....unless of course help meant send them back to where they came from :)
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This thread will die a horrible death. What did you think carnaal, these pricks would actually come in here with a decent argument? lol
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Why do you think George W. Bush is a good president?
I will answer this queston for you, seeing that I live in Ohio and proudly voted for George W. Bush yesterday. The reason that the President is so popular here in the US is something that you Europeans will never begin to understand. The fact of the matter is that we Americans share a completely different set of core beliefs and values than you Europeans. No matter how much you people look down upon us and want to impose your beliefs on us, we will never change.
Now why do I support the president? Here are a few reasons:
Economy: Unlike in most of western Europe, most Americans reject socialism. Our country was founded on capitalist ideas and because of that we have the strongest economy in the history of the world (compare the unemployment rates of the US to most European countries). President Bush understands this and one of his first acts in office was to cut taxes across the board for all Americans. He knows that tax money belongs to the people, and not the government, and that by returning our money to us that it would spark the economy. Given that he inherited a recession from President Clinton, not to mention the severe effects of the September 11th attacks, I would say that he has done a tremendous job economically. Although we lost jobs during his first few years, our economy has now added over a million jobs in just the past year. We are obviously on the right track.
Social Issues: Unlike you Europeans, religion is a fundamental part of American life. We are proud of that fact that a huge percentage of us go to church every week. At the same time, we hold true a certain set of traditional values and morals that we think are important. We don't want a society like Europe where everything goes and where no moral judgments can me made. President Bush understands this and incorporates a strong sense of morality in his decisions. Some of his ideas such as faith based initiatives and preserving marriage as an act between a man and a woman are wildly popular among almost all Americans.
Terrorism: One of the biggest differences between George W. Bush and John Kery was on the issue of terrorism. In the opinion of President Bush, when it comes to terror you are either on offense or defense. Unfortunately, when Clinton was president, our country was on defense. That is why Clinton sat back and did absolutely nothing after Islamic extremists tried to bomb the World Trade Center in 1993, then bombed our embassies in Africa, then bombed our base in saudi Arabia, then bombed the USS Cole, etc. Obviously that method was not working, and it ultimately ended up in the September 11th attacks. Thankfully, when that happened Bush was in office and not Clinton. He has now taken the war to the terrorists, and has been successfull in BRINGING DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM TO TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. If Bush is successful in bringing more moderate, free governments to the Middle East, it will strike a massive blow to the root causes of terror: oppression, tyranny, etc
Education: President Bush has completely reformed the American education system in America. Before, the Democrats only solution to fix America's broken schools was the same everytime: spend more money. Unfortunately, that ignores the fact that you can spend all the money in the world, but if the system is broke it does not matter. Which is why President Bush set out to fix the American educational system with his No Child Left Behind Act. That law required schools and teachers for the first time in American history to be held accountable for their performance. If a school keeps failing to educate its students year after year, guess what? That school adminstrator loses his or her job and they lose funding. And if students are trapped in a struggling school system, the new law gives that child the ability to transfer to another school that is doing better. It also raises the academic standards and requires all students to reach a basic minumum of skills in order to graduate to the next grade. It all sounds simple, but for years the democrats have opposed basic measures like these because of their close relationship with etachers unions. Therefore, it took a Republican like president Bush to bring true reform.
These are just a few of the reasons why President Bush is so popular here in the US. If you would like, I can keep typing more and more examples. But somehow I get the idea that no matter what we say, you people will never get it. That is OK though.....most Americans really don't care what you think.
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If Bush is successful in bringing more moderate, free governments to the Middle East, it will strike a massive blow to the root causes of terror: oppression, tyranny, etc
Oppression and tyranny... I'm glad you mentioned that. Who helps bring these people to power? Who supports these people, as long as these people support the U.S. economy? Who turns a blind eye when these tyrants start oppressing, as long as there's something in it for the U.S. economy? If you want the root of terror, look into the U.S. foreign policy of the last 50 years.
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I agree with the opinion of Bush being one of the worst US Presidents the world has seen in a while
Hmmmmm....I wonder why he received the highest popular vote ever then?
i was referring to Europe and the rest of the (western) world. That's the point of my topic, I'm trying to see how the whole western world (meaning western europe and the rest of America) can be very clearly against somebody who succeeds like that in the US...highest popular vote is also due to the participation, but like i said, i'm not fronting on his victory, i'm trying to understand it
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I'll be happy to tell you why I voted for George Bush.
With me, first, it starts with just his general demeanor. How many times have we heard that he's a dumbass, that he isn't intelligent, that he's an idiot, he's a moron? Millions, by every liberal in the world. When I look @ Bush, I don't see that. I see a guy who is just a normal human being. He has the most important job in the world... but he's just as likely to poke fun at himself and say his wife is better at speeches than him... and he doesn't make everything politically correct. He doesn't suffer fools gladly... when a member of the press asks him a stupid trick question, you're just as likely to hear him call the guy on it, then you are to hear him state the obvious. He's funny, charming, and respectful to everybody I've seen him talk to, including John Kerry, his opponent. When asked in the debates if Kerry's problem was a character flaw, Bush refused to characterize it that way, saying that he thought they just disagreed and had different opinions, and instead of giving character flaws, told the moderator the things he ADMIRED, ABOUT HIS OPPONENT. That speaks volumes.
I do not, have not, and shall not believe conspiracy theories. When people hatch up a conspiracy theory, I usually roll my eyes and slam them for not taking responsibility for what they're trying to pass off as a conspiracy. MOST of the criticism that has been thrown @ the president often is part of some elaborate conspiracy theory putting everyone from Bush, Cheney, Haliburton, Saddam, Osama, and Israel in bed with each other. So while most of the criticism of Bush has focused on these wild conspiracies... none of it has hit home with me because I don't believe in conspiracies, in most cases.
I do not agree with the democrats that everyone in America is entitled to free health care, to free money if they don't earn any, to free food if they can't buy it. I don't believe we shoud let illegal immigrants have in state tuition costs, while charging good people from other states 4 or 5 times as much, simply because they're American. I don't believe in hardly ANYTHING the democratic party supports or pushes! Almost without fault.
President Bush believes the government takes too much of our money, and sent some of it back, and lowered taxes. Senator Kerry believes that we, the American people, aren't paying our fair share to run the government. I wholeheartedly disagree.
Senator Kerry voted for, against, and for, and against everything dealing with our foriegn policy, even after 9/11. He voted against measures to support our troops who were in harms way, and he voted FOR the war, then went around complaining about it, as if he wasn't part of the problem, one of the people that sent the President to Iraq in the first place. Kerry slammed Bush for forming a coalition with the Afgan Warlords, but then Slammed Bush for not forming a coalition in Iraq. He obviously was motivated by political causes, and often said and criticicized the president very unfairly on both sides of the coin. Kerry apparently disagrees with the President on every single thing he's done. I don't believe that, I believe he just appeared that way to try and create contrast, which was disgusting to me. In the meanwhile, Bush is complimenting Kerry's family and his service in Vietnam. THERE'S your contrast.
The media has been almost fully in Kerry's pocket during all of this, so part of my resignation to vote Bush was as a message back to the media who constantly hounded him... I saw your news, I saw your negativity, I saw your Bias, and I was still, as an intelligent human under God, able to see through it all and vote for the right man... regardless of your repeated attempts to sway my vote.
Tons of other reasons. Bush isn't perfect, but he's one hell of a lot better to me than Kerry would have been.
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Well, that is two well thought out and well written replies to this guys question about why Americans like President Bush. Apparently, he doesn't like what he is hearing because he isn't responding.
It really isn't their fault though. European media is very biased and all they hear is anti-Bush propaganda 24/7. They really don't hear the other side.
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Well, that is two well thought out and well written replies to this guys question about why Americans like President Bush. Apparently, he doesn't like what he is hearing because he isn't responding.
It really isn't their fault though. European media is very biased and all they hear is anti-Bush propaganda 24/7. They really don't hear the other side.
chill, i don't have time to give u a good response now, but i will read it carefully and reply. but my intention is not to start an argument but to get a better view by looking what people coming from a different perspective say...like i said, i'm trying to understand shit, not to argue with republicans. so don't get offensive
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European media is very biased and all they hear is anti-Bush propaganda 24/7. They really don't hear the other side.
So true, so true. We have extremely left winged media over here. In Holland at least.
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i support bush just because i hate kerry, but i think people blow everything to do with bush out of proportion because they hate him. so in other words, he may not be the best guy to have running the country, but he isnt as bad as everyone says......and IMO, better than what kerry would have been
i couldnt agree more
my family are demacrats but we hate kerry so we voted for bush...
ive seen myself agreeing with Sub Z alot lately...
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I do not, have not, and shall not believe conspiracy theories. When people hatch up a conspiracy theory, I usually roll my eyes and slam them for not taking responsibility for what they're trying to pass off as a conspiracy. MOST of the criticism that has been thrown @ the president often is part of some elaborate conspiracy theory putting everyone from Bush, Cheney, Haliburton, Saddam, Osama, and Israel in bed with each other. So while most of the criticism of Bush has focused on these wild conspiracies... none of it has hit home with me because I don't believe in conspiracies, in most cases.
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A conspiracy theory to you dufus, is anything remotely anti Bush. Established facts have been presented to you, you refuse to accept it, or worse, tow the Republican spin of the day. You mention lies as news and justification for your beliefs. Id love to think you were truly the person u think you are, but youre not. Youve shut out anything except what u want to hear, you will never progress and evolve as a thinker or academic.
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Push the scope beyond the obvious reasons of hating the other candidate. It's not the Bush factor its the Republican factor the idea of lesser government. Conservative thought has a free highway here in America; you dig? We don't take the tax money on the high levels like you european countries. I ain't dissin I'm just on a different plane of thought.
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If Bush is successful in bringing more moderate, free governments to the Middle East, it will strike a massive blow to the root causes of terror: oppression, tyranny, etc
Oppression and tyranny... I'm glad you mentioned that. Who helps bring these people to power? Who supports these people, as long as these people support the U.S. economy? Who turns a blind eye when these tyrants start oppressing, as long as there's something in it for the U.S. economy? If you want the root of terror, look into the U.S. foreign policy of the last 50 years.
you pass the buck so easily. To prove you believe in what you just wrote, i would like you to try an experiment...go kill someone, anyone, i really don't care who it is... and when the police find you you can blame it on the oppression of the American government, or you can say i told you to do it...and point them to this thread right here
then while you're in jail, you can tell me how you made out
foreign policy doesn't create terrorism...crazy ass people create terrorism
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This thread will die a horrible death. What did you think carnaal, these pricks would actually come in here with a decent argument? lol
here is the reason i voted Bush...because i knew it would piss off so many people that are powerless to do anything about it... that's the power of the American vote
just think, one little press of a lever that i did help piss off people and ruin people's whole days thousands of miles away... you have to respect that kind of power
there is nothing on this board that they can do to make me feel that kind of bitterness to another person
*plus Kerry's voting against military funding that could have seen me sent to war without the proper equipment had a pretty big effect on me personally
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you pass the buck so easily. To prove you believe in what you just wrote, i would like you to try an experiment...go kill someone, anyone, i really don't care who it is... and when the police find you you can blame it on the oppression of the American government, or you can say i told you to do it...and point them to this thread right here
then while you're in jail, you can tell me how you made out
foreign policy doesn't create terrorism...crazy ass people create terrorism
I won't even refer to your horrible analogy when I post this.
During the 1920s the US and Britain had oil fields in the Middle East. After World War II, OPEC raised the price of oil from $3 to $22 per barrel. That's why Abdel Karim Qassim (Iraqi leader before Saddam) placed all oil fields under the government's control. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger even publicly stated that "Middle East oil is much too important a commodity to be left in the hands of the Arabs" (That line alone explains the whole Middle East conflict, and why we're there)The CIA attempted several times to assassinate him, but remained unsuccessful, until they found their man, Saddam Hussein. In a coup, Saddam took over the country, and was in full control by 1968. Under CIA direction, he killed Communists and radicals. We provided Saddam with weapons, including chemicals. Similar thing was going on in Iran, where we replaced the ruler who wanted to place all oil under government control, with the Shah. We assisted the Shah with $22 billion between 1972-1976 in weaponry alone. When Iraq went to war with Iran, 55 countries were providing them with resources, 29 of which were assisting both countries. That included the U.S., who claimed that it was assisting neither country. Again, we were playing the double standard to boost our arms industry. After the war with Iran, Iraq was $40 billion in debt. The country was pretty much devastated. At the time there was a limit placed on the amount of oil that each OPEC country could produce. And Kuwait was producing 20% more than it was allowed to, which brought oil prices around the world down, and made the Western world very happy. But, by Kuwait doing that, Iraq lost one-third of its income, at a time it needed it most. Now this is were things got messy. The US continously, publicly claimed that it had no defense of Kuwait. They let Saddam know that they were not backing Kuwait. Saddam fell for the trap and invaded Kuwait. Before Saddam invaded however, according to Gulf War veterans, the US military was already preparing for a fight against Iraq. They were already carrying out routines in the desert, and informed the soldiers that they were most likely gonna fight Iraq. In addition, the US claimed that Iraq sent almost its entire army to Kuwait, which was complete bullshit. The US then went to Saudi Arabia and convinced them with more bullshit that Iraq was planning to invade Saudi Arabia. The US wanted the Saudis to let them into their country, for reasons that Kissinger explained many years before: OIL IS TOO DAMN IMPORTANT TO BE IN THE HANDS OF ARABS. We convinced the Saudis that they were going to be under attack. We told them that Saddam had soldiers lined up at the border, but satellite pictures proved otherwise. Satellite photos showed that there were minimal troops (which were always there) along the Saudi/Iraqi border. In fact, most Iraqi troops were to the north, and the majority of the rest were in Baghdad alongside the Republican Guard. Then we bombed the shit out of Iraq. The US military claimed that it was pin-pointing on only military facilities and such. That claim was false. The US bombed reservoires, destroyed their access to clean water, bombed electrical companies, generators, phone companies, food processing plants, and basically anything that was necessary for the survival of people. Children were dying all across the country. Pinpoint? Yeah right. Now comes another catch. People start gathering together and plan a rebellious movement to overthrow Saddam and the Iraqi government. As soon as that happens George Bush calls for an immediate end to the war. General Schwarzkopf informs Bush that in another two days they can gain control of Baghdad and get rid of Saddam and his regime. Bush stays with his decision and wants an end to the war. He ordered US troops out, giving Saddam a chance to crush the rebellion. And that was that.
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ahh so it's not the person's fault that tells you to kill someone, it's the guy at wal mart that sells you the shotgun...
ok so now just blame your murders on me and the wal mart guy
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I didn't expect you to be able to handle the truth, so use your irrelevant analogies on someone with the same minimal intelligence level as you.
Seriously, if you want to put it that way, then you are justifying the terrorists and their actions. Them killing innocent civilians isn't any different to me than our army killing innocent civilians. Just because it's government sponsored, doesn't make murder right. I love this country, but the foreign policy it has supported has been complete bullshit.
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I didn't expect you to be able to handle the truth, so use your irrelevant analogies on someone with the same minimal intelligence level as you.
Seriously, if you want to put it that way, then you are justifying the terrorists and their actions. Them killing innocent civilians isn't any different to me than our army killing innocent civilians. Just because it's government sponsored, doesn't make murder right. I love this country, but the foreign policy it has supported has been complete bullshit.
i'm glad that you agree with my analogy even thought you call it stupid and that you've rephrased your problem with the US. yes our government is at fault for some of the casualties in this war and i do expect people to fight back while at a time of war. both sides are bending the "rules" so i guess we have to wait to see who writes the history books to settle this conflict
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I didn't rephrase my problem with the U.S. foreign policy. All I did is talk about something that even you may understand, since my previous post went way over your head.
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I didn't rephrase my problem with the U.S. foreign policy. All I did is talk about something that even you may understand, since my previous post went way over your head.
well you started out by calling America "terrorists" and now you settled on calling it the military and you referred to the enemies as terrorists...so once again you did change your problem, you're just too dumb to notice ;D
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I didn't call America terrorists.
I didn't "settle" on anything. All I said is that the military is doing the same thing those terrorists are, which is killing innocent people. I thought I would simplify the issue for you, since you obviously don't know jack-shit about politics or U.S. foreign policy. My original statement still stands, the U.S. foreign policy of the last 50 or so years has been complete bullshit, and is partly to blame for some of the problems the world is facing today, including terrorism. If you can't handle a mature argument, then go play with your retarded friends.
It's ok, I know my post left you speechless, so a retarded analogy is all you could come up with. Seriously, I feel like I'm arguing with a 5th grade special-ed kid... I make a post talking about U.S. foreign policy, and this fudgepacker starts talking about buying a gun from Walmart... are you really this dumb or are you putting on a grand act?
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I didn't call America terrorists.
I didn't "settle" on anything. All I said is that the military is doing the same thing those terrorists are, which is killing innocent people.
It's ok, I know my post left you speechless, so a retarded analogy is all you could come up with. Seriously, I feel like I'm arguing with a 5th grade special-ed kid... I make a post talking about U.S. foreign policy, and this fudgepacker starts talking about buying a gun from Walmart... are you really this dumb or are you putting on a grand act?
you said the heart of terror is america... using common sense that i have enough of to share with you that would make america terrorists (do you finally see where the word "terror" ists comes from?)
and secondly try my analogy out since your own opinion is so great.... you hate the US foreign policy as you've stated (so do terrorists) so go out and kill some people (as terrorists do) and then blame it on the government (as terrorists do) and see where that lands you
and you call me a moron for an analogy taht i can link step by step to the situation you're talking about
you are a fucking moron have a nice day
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I didn't call America terrorists.
I didn't "settle" on anything. All I said is that the military is doing the same thing those terrorists are, which is killing innocent people.
It's ok, I know my post left you speechless, so a retarded analogy is all you could come up with. Seriously, I feel like I'm arguing with a 5th grade special-ed kid... I make a post talking about U.S. foreign policy, and this fudgepacker starts talking about buying a gun from Walmart... are you really this dumb or are you putting on a grand act?
you said the heart of terror is america... using common sense that i have enough of to share with you that would make america terrorists (do you finally see where the word "terror" ists comes from?)
and secondly try my analogy out since your own opinion is so great.... you hate the US foreign policy as you've stated (so do terrorists) so go out and kill some people (as terrorists do) and then blame it on the government (as terrorists do) and see where that lands you
and you call me a moron for an analogy taht i can link step by step to the situation you're talking about
you are a fucking moron have a nice day
Show me where I said "the heart of terror is America". Don't think that putting words in my mouth is going to help you in any way after making stupid remarks. I said I don't like the U.S. foreign policy, and I made a huge post to show how it has affected the people that are now causing terror attacks. Not once did I mention that I have directly suffered from the actions our government has taken overseas. I would have no reason to commit terror attacks. Calling me a moron won't help your lack of intelligence. Nice try though. Go and argue with somebody whose words won't go over your head.
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I didn't call America terrorists.
I didn't "settle" on anything. All I said is that the military is doing the same thing those terrorists are, which is killing innocent people.
It's ok, I know my post left you speechless, so a retarded analogy is all you could come up with. Seriously, I feel like I'm arguing with a 5th grade special-ed kid... I make a post talking about U.S. foreign policy, and this fudgepacker starts talking about buying a gun from Walmart... are you really this dumb or are you putting on a grand act?
you said the heart of terror is america... using common sense that i have enough of to share with you that would make america terrorists (do you finally see where the word "terror" ists comes from?)
and secondly try my analogy out since your own opinion is so great.... you hate the US foreign policy as you've stated (so do terrorists) so go out and kill some people (as terrorists do) and then blame it on the government (as terrorists do) and see where that lands you
and you call me a moron for an analogy taht i can link step by step to the situation you're talking about
you are a fucking moron have a nice day
Show me where I said "the heart of terror is America". Don't think that putting words in my mouth is going to help you in any way after making stupid remarks. I said I don't like the U.S. foreign policy, and I made a huge post to show how it has affected the people that are now causing terror attacks. Not once did I mention that I have directly suffered from the actions our government has taken overseas. I would have no reason to commit terror attacks. Calling me a moron won't help your lack of intelligence. Nice try though. Go and argue with somebody whose words won't go over your head.
If you want the root of terror, look into the U.S. foreign policy of the last 50 years.
now do i have to explain the word paraphrasing or will you stop your embarrassment now
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Cause & Effect... I don't expect you to know what this is either... I'm not gonna explain... you remind of the slow retarded Hispanic kid who enrolls in honors classes just to feel smart and then asks retarded questions, holding back the rest of the class...
I get it now... you only went to school for the free lunch, didn't have good grades, had nowhere else to go, joined the military, and now you dedicate your life to losing arguments on the internet...
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If my opinion and the FACTS I provided hold no weight...
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=60964.0
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Cause & Effect... I don't expect you to know what this is either... I'm not gonna explain... you remind of the slow retarded Hispanic kid who enrolls in honors classes just to feel smart and then asks retarded questions, holding back the rest of the class...
I get it now... you only went to school for the free lunch, didn't have good grades, had nowhere else to go, joined the military, and now you dedicate your life to losing arguments on the internet...
is that your professional burger king opinion?
i think you should look up the word "root"
some questions to finish today's lesson
1). the ROOTS of a tooth are apart of a __________?
a. Turnip
b. Tooth
c. Poker Chip
d. Toe
2) the ROOTS of a plant are apart of a __________?
a. airplane
b. CD player
c. Plant
d. Space shuttle
3) if you have Chinese ROOTS, that makes you _________?
a. apple pie
b. Korean
c. Baseball
d. Chinese
4) If the ROOT of all evil is money, money is therefore ___________?
a. water
b. toilet paper
c. evil
d. diabetic
5) if the ROOT of terrorism is America's actions then America's actions are ___________?
a. Terrorist acts
b. Jamal is dumb
c. Jamal is trying to hard to act smart
d. Jamal never made it this far in school
and once again, if you TRULY believe that the cause of terrorism is Americas foreign policy... commit a terrorist act, blame it on the government and see if you can get away with it since it's not your fault....since you didn't have a choice not to commit the act because you had to speak up against oppression and tyranny
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One of the definitions for the word ROOT = ORIGIN, right?
ORIGIN = The point at which something comes into existence or from which it derives or is derived
That definition can also be used to describe the word CAUSE.
The U.S. Foreign Policy is one of the CAUSES that has resulted in the terrorism we see today.
You know what they call this in grade school? Reading the context to find out what something means.
By the way, "Jamal is trying to hard to act smart"... the first "to" should actually be spelled "TOO".
Now that we know who is smart, and who is acting, you can stop because you're not going to get nominated for an Oscar for your horrible performance.
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Seer, you may add the previous post to the archive of COP (Classic Ownage Posts).
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here's what dictionary.com had to say about your using of the word root
An essential part or element; the basic core: I finally got to the root of the problem.
A primary source; an origin. See Synonyms at origin
so if american policies originate, or is the basic core of the cause of terrorism,why has almost every other country in the history of the world been a victim of a terrorist attack?
like the example phrase says "i finally got to the root of the problem" if america is the root of this problem of oppression and tyranny, why do terrorists attack night clubs of other countries, peace corps members in other countries, trains in other countries...why not just go after the root of the problem?
easy, it boils down to the individuals, like i said, foreign policies don't become terrorists...crazy ass people become terrorists
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Read the post above... I clearly stated that the U.S. foreign policy is ONE OF THE CAUSES... I didn't say it was THE CAUSE... do you know the difference?
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Take Iraq for example... we helped bring Saddam to power. Saddam tortured people in his country. We didn't give a shit. He nationalized the oil fields, and we wanted to get rid of him. We used his torture as a reason to do so. Is that right or fair, in your opinion?
Now you might assume that I oppose getting rid of Saddam, but that is not the case. Of course we should remove him, but you know what would be better? If we didn't help bring him to power in the first place. One could make the argument of "oh, how were we supposed to know that he was going to torture his people?!". Well then, we should've attempted to remove him from power just as quickly as we had brought him to power, and not waited until we lose our economic interest.
Do you see what I mean?
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He keeps Incirlik AB a hostile fire zone and I get more money because of it. I didn't vote but I was glad he won.
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Take Iraq for example... we helped bring Saddam to power. Saddam tortured people in his country. We didn't give a shit. He nationalized the oil fields, and we wanted to get rid of him. We used his torture as a reason to do so. Is that right or fair, in your opinion?
Now you might assume that I oppose getting rid of Saddam, but that is not the case. Of course we should remove him, but you know what would be better? If we didn't help bring him to power in the first place. One could make the argument of "oh, how were we supposed to know that he was going to torture his people?!". Well then, we should've attempted to remove him from power just as quickly as we had brought him to power, and not waited until we lose our economic interest.
Do you see what I mean?
i got all that, and i agree that america sometimes has alot of different agendas but the fact is that americas "foreign policy and oppression" is an excuse for terrorists...if we're so brutal to these countries that have less than us, why are the majority of terrorists either wealthy or well off? why are the people that support terrorists millionaires?
fact is these people just have ideals that they want to push on everyone else, and they are in a position to do so. if you look at it, it sort of resembles the way america handles thing, but at least america abides by some laws as to terrorists, the ends justify the means
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You got it all twisted. First of all, you shouldn't downplay the main cause of the issue here. You said "i agree that america sometimes has alot of different agendas". That right there is the problem. They're not "different" agendas, they're wrong. Want some examples? Noreaga, "Iran/Contra Affair", the Mujahideen (we supported them because they were fighting the Soviets, but they carried out horrible human rights violations just like the Taliban, I know this because my parents lived through it), Saddam Hussein, the Taliban, etc the list goes on. We support people/groups like this. Once they don't benefit us anymore, we use their wrong-doings as reasons to fight against them.
By the way, I never said that America oppresses these people, I said America's foreign policy has aided leaders who oppress these people. There's a difference.
The majority of terrorists aren't "wealthy"; however, some of the leaders of these organizations are (ex: Bin Laden). Use some common sense here... if a large group of people feel a certain way about something, but only the wealthy ones have the power to do anything about it, then who would be supporting this group of people to accomplish that goal? The wealthy ones. This is where our foreign policy comes into play again... the CIA has actually, in the past, financed "terrorists". We financed Noreaga. He was on the CIA payroll, making $100,000 a year. Nice to see our tax dollars at work, but that's besides the point.
You say "these people want to push their ideals on everyone else". That's twisted. They're actually asking America to stop pushing its ideals on them. That's their whole goal, to get America out of their homeland. They don't want foreign troops on their soil, they don't want to be led by puppet governments, they don't want to live under oppressive leaders such as the ones we've witnessed in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, etc.. all of which receive support from the U.S.
You say they handle things the same way America does, except America, at least, abides by some laws. In case you don't remember, or didn't know, the U.S. actually ignored a good number of International laws.
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foreign policy doesn't create terrorism...crazy ass people create terrorism
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