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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Immortal on November 07, 2004, 12:20:11 PM
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Apart form his frist and onyl worth listening to album, which is infinite in my honest opinion, this idiot for real makes 'clown' like songs and its really nothin to bump. He has talent and if he wanted he coulda made tracks like Nas does instead of makin ass clown wonderland tracks and albums. The man's discography is garbage. Im wondering if hes trying to purposely make shiutty tracks to increase popularity amongts younger white folks or whoever.
Hell he woulda been coo if he made some real music. And his beats are shitty as hell, he really cant compose nothin surreal. For example "Carry the cross" beat which he made for NAs. Total garbage. This guy can make some awesome tracks on some singles ive heard when hes serious. But i feel hes limiting himself to popularise and appeal to the shitty media, therefore he is somehow lowering his vocab, and entire hihop feel to his tracks.
BS
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I stopped reading at "Apart form his frist and onyl worth listening to album, which is infinite".
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I stopped reading at "Apart form his frist and onyl worth listening to album, which is infinite".
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all i heard was "blah blah blah i jerk off while listening to illmatic blah blah"
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this idiot for real makes 'clown' like songs and its really nothin to bump. He has talent and if he wanted he coulda made tracks like Nas does instead of makin ass clown wonderland tracks and albums.
Clown songs? Have you ever listened to the marshall mathers lp?
do you even know who eminem is?
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this idiot for real makes 'clown' like songs and its really nothin to bump. He has talent and if he wanted he coulda made tracks like Nas does instead of makin ass clown wonderland tracks and albums.
Clown songs? Have you ever listened to the marshall mathers lp?
do you even know who eminem is?
lets not get carried away now....eminem does make clown songs....but he makes a lot of really good stuff too.....not just crappy pop radio hits....
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This is his first garbage album. Not bad compared to some artists who suck after their debuts *cough* Snoop *cough*
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This is his first garbage album. Not bad compared to some artists who suck after their debuts *cough* Snoop *cough*
FUCK SNOOp, hes a friggin dumb ass now after doggystlylin
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This is his first garbage album. Not bad compared to some artists who suck after their debuts *cough* Snoop *cough*
yup
althou TMMLP was not that good either
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not that i totally disagree with you on the eminem point immortal....and i completely agree on the snoop dogg point....but i feel like you have some serious dickriding issues
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I think he's trying to say this:
If Eminem is considered the greatest rapper alive, why he have on good album(Slim Shady LP, LMAO @ Infinite), one mediocre(Marshall Mathers LP) and two wack(Eminem Show, Encore)? Where are his Illmatics? It Was Writtens? Where are his Last Of A Dying Breeds? Diarys? Death Ceritificates? Lethal Injections?
Here's my question. How is he considered the greatest (Or even close to the greatest) with a track record like that?
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SGV, 1. "Last Of A Dying Breed" wasn't all that, "The Fix" would be a better example in Face's case IMO, 2. it's of course ur opinion. while i cannot understand how people think Encore is dope, i actually think TES was decent. I agree that considering him the greatest in terms of his release catalog is stupid, as for technical rapping skills he's at least better than Cube and Face (i said technical -> rhymes, multies, syllables, partly flow etc) and on Nas' level = overall one of the best...and in his career he's stirred up more controversy and caught more attention than anybody in the rap game. so what i'm saying is, there are some points which can make people consider him the greatest, not that i would agree with it
This is his first garbage album. Not bad compared to some artists who suck after their debuts *cough* Snoop *cough*
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infinite is his 2nd worst album. eminem show was aight, and encore was the nail in the coffin. sslp will remain his best effort. in fact, he should re-release it with murder murder, get you mad, and low down dirty. mmlp was a good album, but instead of sticking with a good flow, and sick wordplay, he decided to use a forced flow and multis. rock bottom>any song on mmlp
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Infinite is amazing
MM LP is THA shit
SS LP is awesome
TES is very good
Encore is mediocore
not too bad of a album record
plus many dope ass guest appearances like renegade and many dope ass mixtape tracks like the sauce
GOATABILITY
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mmlp sslp and tes were all great albums.. not classic or anything.. but great.. infinite was good.. diferent but still good
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SSLP is his best.
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damn i just noticed ya'll are fuckin losers... who cares encore sucked we know it lol
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The Fix was wack as fuck!!! To this day, I do NOT see the hype around that album.
Last Of A Dying Breed knocked front to back.
Technical skills Chino is better than Em. 2Mex is better. So is: Gza, Gift Of Gab, Canibus, Myka Nyne, Ras Kass, Aceyalone, Chali 2na, etc. etc.
Overall, Eminem could NEVER see Face or Cube. NEVER. Face & Cube Solo's >>>>>>> Em Solos. Get Boyz & N.W.A. & Westside Connection albums >>>>> D-12 albums. Em is NOT all that. Nowhere near goat.
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The Fix was wack as fuck!!! To this day, I do NOT see the hype around that album.
I never thought I would see that said. The Fix is an excellent album.
Last Of A Dying Breed is very solid also.
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I always felt the MMLP was his best album, but his best song is rock bottom. Hell rock bottom is better than most songs every other rapper in the game makes. Too bad em dont make tracks like this no more.
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Em to me is a decent artist. Any rapper with his track record would be happy. This is how I think he stacks against the others who can claim, best rapper alive, though I don't think Eminem is on that list, we'll see how I rate them. This is not to be taken personally, it's just me, not no one else.
Infinite - 4.5
Slim Shady LP - 3 (I know people will hate that, but I only liked a few tracks)
MM LP - 4 (but replay value for me sucked after a month)
Eminem Show - 3.5 (half the songs annoyed the crap outta me, half I though were very good)
Encore - have no fucken clue, not interested.
compare to the other top commercial rappers, all ratings in my opinion
Snoop
Doggystyle - 5
Doggfater - 3.5
The Game... - 3
Top Dogg - 4 (I loved it, and it's replay value to me is still going strong after 5 years)
Last Meal - 4 (half classic, half ass)
Pay The Cost... - 3.5
R&G - have a feeling it will not be that good, still buy it 'cause i still love Snoop
Nas
Illmatic - 5
It Was Written - 4.5
... I Am - 4
Nastradamus - 3
Stillmatic - 5
God's Son - 4
Street's Disciple - Sounding very good
Scarface
The Diary - 5
Mr. Scarface is Back - I'll be honest, I haven't heard it completely yet... on buy this next pay check list though.
Untouchable - Look up top, was a bad period not to be 2Pac in my life between 95-97. And this CD had 2Pac... lol
My Homies - 3.5 (too many fillers, no replay value for me, maybe I should relistent to it if I ever buy it again)
Last of a Dying Breed - 3.5 (Wasn't feeling it too much, should relisten to it I guess)
The Fix - 4.5
Ice Cube -
AmeriKKKa'z Most Wanted - 5
Death Certifiate - 5
The Preditor - 4.5
Leathal Injection - 4.5
The War Disc - 4
The Peace Disc - 3
Jay-Z
Reasonable Doubt - 5
Vol. 1 - 4
Vol. 2 - 4
Vol. 3 - 3.5
Dynasty - 3
Blueprint - 5 (ok, I'll admit, I thought it was classic, in 2001 I was just hating)
The Gift and The Curse - 3
Black Album - 4.5
All this is just me. I have to go back and buy some old Scarface I guess... and get back some old CDs I've lost to relisten to it.
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I always felt the MMLP was his best album, but his best song is rock bottom. Hell rock bottom is better than most songs every other rapper in the game makes. Too bad em dont make tracks like this no more.
Mockingbird kind of reminds me of Rock Bottom. That's why it' my favourite song on the album.
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I stopped reading at "Apart form his frist and onyl worth listening to album, which is infinite".
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I always felt the MMLP was his best album, but his best song is rock bottom. Hell rock bottom is better than most songs every other rapper in the game makes. Too bad em dont make tracks like this no more.
Mockingbird kind of reminds me of Rock Bottom. That's why it' my favourite song on the album.
How? lol 2 totally different topics, and the topic and the darkness of rock bottom is what made it so great. Mockingbird is a hailie song.
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How on earth can you say TMMLP was just a mediocre album?
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How on earth can you say TMMLP was just a mediocre album?
cos he is one of these haters, if rapper sells good and is commerical, he automaticly sucks, no matter what he makes. and only the album what he made b4 came commercial is gift from god. ::) these kinda topics r so stubid, cos every1 has their own oppinion, and i dont give a fuck what u think is scarfaces or nas's best album.
imo every rapper would b happy to have eminem's discography, trust me.
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cos he is one of these haters, if rapper sells good and is commerical, he automaticly sucks, no matter what he makes. and only the album what he made b4 came commercial is gift from god. ::) these kinda topics r so stubid, cos every1 has their own oppinion, and i dont give a fuck what u think is scarfaces or nas's best album.
imo every rapper would b happy to have eminem's discography, trust me.
Says the man with Shady/Aftermath in his sig. LOL.
MMLP had only a few good tracks. "Stan," "Kim," and like 2 or 3 more. I don't see how it was "amazing."
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I always felt the MMLP was his best album, but his best song is rock bottom. Hell rock bottom is better than most songs every other rapper in the game makes. Too bad em dont make tracks like this no more.
Mockingbird kind of reminds me of Rock Bottom. That's why it' my favourite song on the album.
How? lol 2 totally different topics, and the topic and the darkness of rock bottom is what made it so great. Mockingbird is a hailie song.
Because it's a song about his life that sounds real. Almost every other song he does about his personal life sounds fake or an extention of the truth. Cleaning Out My Clost was good, but songs like Kim, Soldier, Marshall Mathers (the song), and The Way I Am, all sound fake. I like those songs (except for Kim), but in songs like Rock Bottom, If I Had, and Mockingbird it sounds like it's really him, and not some character he creates a rap alter ego.
The line from "Kill You" always gets me; "They said I can't rap about bein broke no more, They ain't say I can't rap about coke no more". This is the line he needs to forget. If he forgets this he'll have something to rap about. Just because he isn't poor doesn't mean he can't rap about what it was like, and is like being poor. He must have a million stories that he hasn't told, and he's shown in the past that he knows how to tell them. Nas and Jay Z rapped about the streets years after they left them. Bob Dylan was doing songs about the poor well after he became rich, and Bruce Springsteen makes 100 million a tour singing about the poor and heart broken. Bruce is both very rich and very happy with a wife and kids. This didn't stop him from making a 5 star album about loss and struggle in 2002. Why can't Em relive the bad years in his songs, or just tell stories about characters that use real life occurances? The answer is he can, and the sooner he does the better his music will be.
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The Fix was wack as fuck!!! To this day, I do NOT see the hype around that album.
Last Of A Dying Breed knocked front to back.
Technical skills Chino is better than Em. 2Mex is better. So is: Gza, Gift Of Gab, Canibus, Myka Nyne, Ras Kass, Aceyalone, Chali 2na, etc. etc.
Overall, Eminem could NEVER see Face or Cube. NEVER. Face & Cube Solo's >>>>>>> Em Solos. Get Boyz & N.W.A. & Westside Connection albums >>>>> D-12 albums. Em is NOT all that. Nowhere near goat.
1. The Fix was wack? Ok, it's your opinion, i wonder what it's based on. "Safe", "In Cold Blood", "In Between Us", "My Block", "Guess Who's Back"...that's incredibly far from wack, but ok, if it is for you i'll accept that. Last Of A Dying Breed was very decent, but few tracks really gave me the urge to bump em again after a few listens
2. Ras Kass ain't better, his flow really ain't all that. Or do you think the flow on songs like "On Earth As It Is...", "Soul On Ice" or whatever can touch Em's flow on "Role Model" or "Hellbound"?? And his lyricism is overrated too, he knows big words, but IMO there's more to being a great lyricist than what he comes up with
3. No, Em can't touch Cube's or Face's catalog. Never
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I think I liked 2 songs on The Fix. Nothing on that album made me go :o
I dig Rassy's flow on Soul On Ice. Plus, Eminem can never make "Interview With A Vampire" or "Nature Of A Threat." That's why Ras >>> Em.
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Why does everyone like Natue of a Threat so much? It's a bunch of hate filled propanda. He takes some facts and some opinions and then twists them. If I want to learn about history, I'll read history books. The same ones he does, but I won't have to read his bias version. I realize that all history books are bias in one way, but this guy is ridiculous.
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Why does everyone like Natue of a Threat so much? It's a bunch of hate filled propanda. He takes some facts and some opinions and then twists them. If I want to learn about history, I'll read history books. The same ones he does, but I won't have to read his bias version. I realize that all history books are bias in one way, but this guy is ridiculous.
nature of the threat is overrated as fuck. the evil that men do is a much better track. i say it all the time, but he probably has one of the worst flows in rap history. eminem even puts out better albums than he does.
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I think he's trying to say this:
If Eminem is considered the greatest rapper alive, why he have on good album(Slim Shady LP, LMAO @ Infinite), one mediocre(Marshall Mathers LP) and two wack(Eminem Show, Encore)? Where are his Illmatics? It Was Writtens? Where are his Last Of A Dying Breeds? Diarys? Death Ceritificates? Lethal Injections?
Here's my question. How is he considered the greatest (Or even close to the greatest) with a track record like that?
True, he is no wa GOAT in my opinion, he is easily under GOAT EASYILY!! HE represents himself as a clown when he raps and he has fucked his own style after he released infinite. To this date he hasn't released a single lyrically deep album like Still matic, Illmatic or God's son. When will it be his turn to finally release some real shit. He was dope with infinite, had a cool rappin style and didnt sound like a jerk. And god that 2pac and bigge mix single he mad was just plain dumb with some idiotic out of the sync beatz. Whats gotten into him.
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I dig Rassy's flow on Soul On Ice. Plus, Eminem can never make "Interview With A Vampire" or "Nature Of A Threat." That's why Ras >>> Em.
prolly not, but Ras couldn't make "Hellbound" or "Role Model", but it's all opinions and i don't wanna start a Em vs. Ras discussion. i'ma add two things,
1. i don't consider his flow one of the worst in rap history, but really nothing that amazes me at all and
2. i agree with "Nature Of The Threat" being overrated and while he does have some points, it is indeed biased and has twisted facts. There's a lot of interpretation and shit i just don't like...
Blue eyes, blonde hair and white skin
Albinism apparently was a sin to the original man, Africans
So the mutants traveled North of the equator
Called Europeans later, the first race haters
just look at this. it was apparently ok to consider albinism a sin and make those people flee north where they became the 'first race haters'. You gotta be stupid to figure that's not contradictory and i could go on with these lyrics. I'm not the white skin stereotype and i dig a lot of reflective pro-black songs like "Why Is That" (BDP) or stuff Blackstar and Goodie Mob have done and i accept a certain bias and try to look at it in a brighter context, but Ras is pretty racist at times and i don't like how people think it's deep elaborate analytical lyricism...i admit i only realized that a while ago, i used to think this song is the shit too, but anyways this is the opinion i have on it now
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Why does everyone like Natue of a Threat so much? It's a bunch of hate filled propanda. He takes some facts and some opinions and then twists them. If I want to learn about history, I'll read history books. The same ones he does, but I won't have to read his bias version. I realize that all history books are bias in one way, but this guy is ridiculous.
nature of the threat is overrated as fuck. the evil that men do is a much better track. i say it all the time, but he probably has one of the worst flows in rap history. eminem even puts out better albums than he does.
Wow, we agree on something. I never saw that coming.
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nature of the threat is overrated as fuck. the evil that men do is a much better track.
The Evil That Men Do is amazing. I didn't know there were any Iron Maiden fans here.
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ras kass as a whole is severly overrated by heads.
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shallow i agree with u about nature of a threat 100% and about the fact about eminem.. he should still talk about life wehn he was poor..
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The Fix was wack as fuck!!! To this day, I do NOT see the hype around that album.
Last Of A Dying Breed knocked front to back.
Technical skills Chino is better than Em. 2Mex is better. So is: Gza, Gift Of Gab, Canibus, Myka Nyne, Ras Kass, Aceyalone, Chali 2na, etc. etc.
Overall, Eminem could NEVER see Face or Cube. NEVER. Face & Cube Solo's >>>>>>> Em Solos. Get Boyz & N.W.A. & Westside Connection albums >>>>> D-12 albums. Em is NOT all that. Nowhere near goat.
lil wayne>>>>>eminem ???? then too lol
aright whatever
death cert. doggystyle the chronic diary illmatic are all better albums than any of eminem's albums but talent wise and consistantcy wise eminem is better than all these fools
snoop had doggystyle and it took him 6 years to make another worthwhile cd
cube had 2 straight classics and hasn't released anything special since 92'
scarface ain't had a great album in 10 years
nas had illmatic then it took him god knows how long to release another viable album in stillmatic
eminem released 4 straight great albums since 96'
1. infiinite
2. sslp
3. mmlp
4. mms
i ain't heard encore yet but i really like that song mosh........that just lose it , seems to be just run of the mill "i'm going to release a TRL song to break the 1 million in a week mark haha i can be comercial and still lyrically molest the underground" songs. i don't even really like eminem all that much and i'll give him his dues, he's a better artist than nas. period. he's better than jay-z, period. cube's even said that em is better than him and i've heard talib and black thought comment on how he's a standard in which they measure themselves lyrically. it's like ice t said "if you're a hip hop fan and you say that eminem ain't got skills, you're a straight up buster ass hater!"
cube,talib, black thought, ice t's opinion>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SUV's
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ras kass as a whole is severly overrated by heads.
no he's not if anything they underrate him, he's very talented lyrically just like bis, but neither of them know how to make albums
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Slim Shady LP > The Carter >>>> Rest Of Em's Catalogue.
Talib Kweli also says 50 Cent is one of his favorite artists. Should I think the same because Kweli says so? Nope. I don't give a fuck if KRS-One told me, "Yo Eminem is the truth, he's the illest emcee of all time." I don't think he is and that's all that matters to me. You, on the other hand, are a drone. You listen to EVERYONE elses opinions. Keep on listening to what everyone else thinks, I'll keep formulating my own opinions.
BTW, Cube wrote: Eazy Duz It, Straight Outta Compton, Kill At Will, Amerikkkas Most Wanted, Death Certificate and Lethal Injection. He also Exec. Produced Del's first album. He did the W.S.C. album. So much more. He's much more consistent than Eminem.
Nas > Eminem, any day. I'm not a Nas fan, but it's the truth.
Illmatic, I Am, It Was Written >>>> Em's catalogue
Stillmatic, Lost Tapes, Gods Son >>>> Em's catalogue
Last Of A Dying Breed was bangin'. The Untouchable was bangin'. The Diary was bangin'.
All released since 1994.
Blueprint, Reasonable Doubt, Black Album >>> Em's catalogue
Em is NOT better than Jay either man. The Media says so (and I know that's the opinion that your formulate yours on), but I don't see many others sayin' it.
Without Cube, Hip Hop would never be the same. He crafted some of the most timeless albums and songs.
Same goes for Nas and Jay. They made Mainstream Hip Hop acceptable without making a mockery of it.
Shit, without Snoop, the game wouldn't be the same. He played a major role in The Chronic and he made Doggystyle. Eminem hasn't topped Doggystyle and will never. Yes, Snoop has released a lot of garbage, but so has Eminem.
Doggystyle, Doggfather, Top Dogg >>> Em's catalogue.
Without Eminem, the game would be the same. Some other emcee would've came up from the underground and that's that.
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How do you know he isn't formulating his own opinion. Personally I think Eminem is better than Jay Z in every aspect, that doesn't mean he is, because there can be no better. You can say you think Jay is better. Just because someone says Em is better than so and so doesn't mean the guy is being fooled by the media. He could very well think that.
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How do you know he isn't formulating his own opinion. Personally I think Eminem is better than Jay Z in every aspect, that doesn't mean he is, because there can be no better. You can say you think Jay is better. Just because someone says Em is better than so and so doesn't mean the guy is being fooled by the media. He could very well think that.
^thank you exactly
all i'm saying is SUV is the fool saying snoop and lil wayne are better than eminem, that's how credible he's being right now
i don't even really like eminem but i can admit that he's better than damn well near all rappers living and doing shit today....cube couldn't step to em, snoop certainly can't, jay-z would get served, and the only other artists that could say they'd have a VERY hard time keeping up with him.....
it's called being realist SUV
what you like and what you don't llike doesn't mean someone is untalented
i hate barry sanders but i'm able to admit he was always better than emmitt smith (my favorite player)
i like soop and cube a whole hella of a lot more than eminem and al of their albums a whole hell of a lot better than any of em's but emeinem is a better artist point period blank!
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Lil Wayne makes better albums than Eminem. Snoop has better albums than Eminem. How's that NOT being real? You enjoy Cube and Snoops album more than Eminem, too. So obviously, his albums AIN'T that hot. If you ain't got hot albums, you ain't shit. You can be the most amazing emcee in the world, but if you ain't making good albums, what's that all worth? Nothing.
I feel 2Mex is one of the best emcees ever, but in no way is he better than Snoop, Cube, KRS-One, etc. His albums aren't as good as theirs. That's that. Eminem is a good emcee, but he doesn't live up to his talent. Unlike Barry Sanders, who does live up to his talent.
That's the difference. If Eminem was dropping Doggystyles, Id give him his props, but hes not. If Eminem was even dropping Top Doggs, Id give him his credit, but HES NOT! LOL @ Being a realist.
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You know I dont see SGV as a brainless Eminem-Hater. I see him as a brainful Eminem-Hater. He does know of Em's Talent, so he's no complete idiot, however, he's a Hater still. I don't blame him though. I mean, he's right to a certain degree. Em really doesnt live up to his talent.
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Lil Wayne makes better albums than Eminem. Snoop has better albums than Eminem. How's that NOT being real? You enjoy Cube and Snoops album more than Eminem, too. So obviously, his albums AIN'T that hot. If you ain't got hot albums, you ain't shit. You can be the most amazing emcee in the world, but if you ain't making good albums, what's that all worth? Nothing.
I feel 2Mex is one of the best emcees ever, but in no way is he better than Snoop, Cube, KRS-One, etc. His albums aren't as good as theirs. That's that. Eminem is a good emcee, but he doesn't live up to his talent. Unlike Barry Sanders, who does live up to his talent.
That's the difference. If Eminem was dropping Doggystyles, Id give him his props, but hes not. If Eminem was even dropping Top Doggs, Id give him his credit, but HES NOT! LOL @ Being a realist.
so by SGV's standard here's who's better than eminem
lil wayne
snoop dogg
too short
ice cube
dj quik
ludacris
50 cent
eazy e
dr. dre
hmmmmm
the argument here is not "how many classic albums an artist has" the argument here is how good this artist is .......eminem has delivered 4 very solid albums 2 or 3 of them being deemed classics by different factions of the music world......it's not like he's realeasing pure garbage like some of your favorite rappers like young bleed lol eminem is doing well so what if he ain't got a doggystyle .....there's only like 2 other artists out there who can say they've had as tight of a debut album as snoop, dre and nas. so what.
eminem is by far the best all around rapper...period
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Take out 50, and you're right. Luda got better albums. Eazy had better albums. Oh and yes moron, it is about albums. LMAO @ Your non-comprehending ass.
"Eminem...what a list of garbage albums by him"
LOL @ You just arguing with me to argue with me, not even knowing the topic. You're a scumbag.