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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Ant on November 13, 2004, 10:28:27 AM
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Not sure how interesting peeps will find this, but this is a pretty big issue that will continue to affect our economy. This article doesn't blame Bush for this problem, and certainly a few things are affecting this phenomonon, but talking to some international people I know, a lot of foreigners just aren't looking at the US as the land of opportunity anymore. And over the past few years we are slowly being branded as being a dumb nation. We've benefits for decades from the inflow of foreign intellectual capital, now the inflow is drying up, and at the same time some of our intellectual capital is going overseas due to growing frustration with the Bush Administration. I mentioned before 5,000 US scientists signed a report that documented the Bush Admin's abuse of science. But anyways, make this what you will. To me its an issue, to you it might be nothing.
Full Article Here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/10/education/10college.html?pagewanted=print&position=
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that's pretty interesting , but you'd never notice it by going to UCLA , USC, UCR, UCD, Cal, CSUB, and a whole lot of other california colleges. the asian population and indian populations at these schools are pretty big
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yeah, big but getting smaller, and in cali there are a lot of american asians.
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And over the past few years we are slowly being branded as being a dumb nation. We've benefits for decades from the inflow of foreign intellectual capital, now the inflow is drying up, and
yeah, big but getting smaller, and in cali there are a lot of american asians.
I wonder why...
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why would you waste a post pointing out typos. And the second one wasn't even a typo. You're still asian if you live in America. In Cali there are a lot of American Asians, i.e. asian people who have U.S. citizenship.
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why would you waste a post pointing out typos. And the second one wasn't even a typo. You're still asian if you live in America. In Cali there are a lot of American Asians, i.e. asian people who have U.S. citizenship.
Asian-American
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I'm sorry your post is still stupid. Supposedly I tend to agree with you on most issues, but I don't tolerate assholes on either side. Anyone who posts just to point out typos, and be like "oh my grammar is better than yours" is an asshole with low-self esteem. Yes its more common, and probably grammatically correct to say italian-american, asian-american, etc. etc., but who fuckin cares, its a message board not my college thesis.
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It's just ironic that you were complaining about the rest of the world thinking that Americans are dumb.
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Were the richest and most powerful nation.....we cant be all that dumb.
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Were America is the richest and most powerful nation.....we cant be Not all that everyone is as dumb as I am.
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it is common knowledge here that our local universities are on a higher level than american universities.
kinda assumable, since every nut can go to college in america, whereas it's more special to go to a university here.
the biggest problem in your education system is that you dont have enough seperation between smart guys and dumb asses.
you might have honor shit in high school, still all you have is high school.
we have 3 different general types of school after elementary school. that's way more effective.
putting retards and geniuses into the same school or even class, isnt helping neither one of them.
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funny how americans come to oxford and cambridge..
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it is common knowledge here that our local universities are on a higher level than american universities.
kinda assumable, since every nut can go to college in america, whereas it's more special to go to a university here.
the biggest problem in your education system is that you dont have enough seperation between smart guys and dumb asses.
you might have honor shit in high school, still all you have is high school.
we have 3 different general types of school after elementary school. that's way more effective.
putting retards and geniuses into the same school or even class, isnt helping neither one of them.
I've attended school both in Europe and here in the U.S., and I'll tell you that primary/secondary school in countries like Germany, Switzerland, England, etc is a lot better than it is in the U.S... The system there is better and the quality of education is. However, when it comes to universities, the U.S. can't be compared to. I mean yea, European countries have some great universities, but that small number is nothing compared to the universities here in the U.S.
When you say "every nut can go to college in America", that's true, but only for community college, not 4-year universities. There's a tough application process for the more prestigious universities. Take UCLA for example, it's not ivy-league or anything, but it's ranked the 4th best public university. Out of 43,000 applicants, 3,900 were accepted. I knew a girl that had a 4.4 GPA, and she didn't get in.
India's ITT is one of the best engineering schools in the world, does that mean that India's universities better than the U.S. or can India be considered as having "great universities".... not really... there's only a couple good schools.
By the way 7even, were you referring to the system of Haupt/Real/Gymnasium?
If you were to name like 2 schools in your country, I could easily just name HARVARD and say the U.S. has the better universities just because I was able to name the best in the world.
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it is common knowledge here that our local universities are on a higher level than american universities.
kinda assumable, since every nut can go to college in america, whereas it's more special to go to a university here.
the biggest problem in your education system is that you dont have enough seperation between smart guys and dumb asses.
you might have honor shit in high school, still all you have is high school.
we have 3 different general types of school after elementary school. that's way more effective.
putting retards and geniuses into the same school or even class, isnt helping neither one of them.
I've attended school both in Europe and here in the U.S., and I'll tell you that primary/secondary school in countries like Germany, Switzerland, England, etc is a lot better than it is in the U.S... The system there is better and the quality of education is. However, when it comes to universities, the U.S. can't be compared to. I mean yea, European countries have some great universities, but that small number is nothing compared to the universities here in the U.S.
When you say "every nut can go to college in America", that's true, but only for community college, not 4-year universities. There's a tough application process for the more prestigious universities. Take UCLA for example, it's not ivy-league or anything, but it's ranked the 4th best public university. Out of 43,000 applicants, 3,900 were accepted. I knew a girl that had a 4.4 GPA, and she didn't get in.
India's ITT is one of the best engineering schools in the world, does that mean that India's universities better than the U.S. or can India be considered as having "great universities".... not really... there's only a couple good schools.
By the way 7even, were you referring to the system of Haupt/Real/Gymnasium?
If you were to name like 2 schools in your country, I could easily just name HARVARD and say the U.S. has the better universities just because I was able to name the best in the world.
What is the difference between community college and 4-year universities?
I knew there are a couple of famous universities in the U.S., like Harvard, Princeton, Yale and whatever.
Those might be really good, the more "prestigious" universities as you said. Yet I doubt the standard colleges can compare to them.
Btw you said UCLA has like 50,000 people in it? I can't even imagine that. My school has like 1000 people .. 50 times that much is just plain crazy.
When it comes to German universities I can only name the LMU here in Munich, I've been told it's a good university, I have no real clue myself though I wont look for universities before I've finished school.
And yes I was referring to the system of Haupt/Real/Gymnasium.
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I think its commonly assumed and perhaps fairly that the US has the best collegiate system. Yes, in many ways it is lacking, I believe we send to many people to colleges, and indoing so dilute college education, but we have a strong base of solid colleges.
For example there are the obvious:
Yale
Harvard
Princeton
Stanford
Columbia
But there are plenty other very impressive schools:
MIT
Cal Tech
UPenn
NYU
Georgia Tech
Boston College
and plenty others
Other countries, at this point, just can't compete on the collegiate level, and yes there is a huge difference between a top tier american university and community college unfortunately, but there is a smaller difference between community college and ur avg. american college.
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Community college is basically there to earn your Associate's Degree (2year), or people attend, and then apply to universities, and transfer there to earn a Bachelor's. To attend community college you just have to be 18 years of age or have a high school diploma. Pretty much anyone can go there. Some people even take classes just for their own interest.
See 7even, you proved my point. You were able to point out one school that you heard is good. Obviously there are some more, but they're not as prestigious as the universities in the U.S. No other country has as many foreign students as the U.S. People come from all over the world to attend these universities. You'll find that schools from #1 through #30 in the U.S. make the Top50 in the World list. No joke... I saw UCLA on the TOP50 universities of the world list, and UCLA is like 25 in the U.S. That's only because most of the top schools are private/ivy league. The acceptance rate for some of those schools is like 9%.
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Not sure how interesting peeps will find this, but this is a pretty big issue that will continue to affect our economy. This article doesn't blame Bush for this problem, and certainly a few things are affecting this phenomonon, but talking to some international people I know, a lot of foreigners just aren't looking at the US as the land of opportunity anymore. And over the past few years we are slowly being branded as being a dumb nation. We've benefits for decades from the inflow of foreign intellectual capital, now the inflow is drying up, and at the same time some of our intellectual capital is going overseas due to growing frustration with the Bush Administration. I mentioned before 5,000 US scientists signed a report that documented the Bush Admin's abuse of science. But anyways, make this what you will. To me its an issue, to you it might be nothing.
Full Article Here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/10/education/10college.html?pagewanted=print&position=
Holy shit ANT!!! You are on to something... America is on the brink of total disaster!
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Who gives a fuck? If they don't want to come to school here, don't make them, let them go to school where they want. What good does it do us to teach the rest of the world? They just return home anyways, so if they'd rather be educated somewhere else, more power to them.
In the meanwhile, immigration is rising every year in the U.S., and many of our minority populations (especially the latin american population) are skyrocketing, so since you're apparently attempting to place some value on culturual diversity, the only way you can argue against my statement here is to insult the latin culture.
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No I'm not arguing for cultural diversity, I'm arguing for the importance of intellectual capital. The U.S. has historically recieved intellectual capital from foreign coutnries becuz we were viewed as the land of freedom and opportunity. An inflow of intellectual capital is a benefit to our economy, I was only pointing out that we are losing that benefit.
And its not just foreign students who no longer view us as the land of opportunity, but foreign businesses feel the same way. Under Bush Foreign Investment into the U.S. shrank from about $300 billion per year, to around $30 billion per year.