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Nas Sparks Controversy w/ 'Coon Picnic' Song
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On his new album, Street's Disciple, Nas commands your attention: He forces you to hit the rewind button a few times before his verses are finished, then makes you ask the person nearest to you, "Did you hear that?" There's plenty of fodder
for discussion stored within his double-disc set, which came out on Tuesday.
A track that has everyone talking is disc one's "These Are Our Heroes" (released to the streets with the title "Coon Picnic") on which Nas raps, "Let's hear it, one for the coons on UPN 9 and WB who 'yes massa' on TV/ Whatever happened to Weezy, the Red Foxxes who never got Emmys but were real to me?"
O.J. Simpson, Taye Diggs and Tiger Woods are among those he lashes out at. NBA star Kobe Bryant, however, catches most of the heat on the record, being called out by name and compared to Toby from the miniseries "Roots."
"You can't do better than that?/ The hotel clerk who adjusts the bathroom mat?" Nas says in his verses, referencing Bryant's much-publicized criminal charge for sexual assault in Colorado. "You beat the rap, jiggaboo, fake n---a you, you turn around then you sh-- on Shaq."
Nas recently said he was contemplating releasing the song as a single but did not know if media outlets would be able to embrace it.
"It's a fun record," Nas insisted. "I pick out certain guys that's heavy in the media who — whether they're athletes, rappers, whatever — I think [they're] cooning. I don't know if radio and TV are ready for those images, but they should be, because that's what hip-hop is."
A song that Nas is almost sure he will release in the near future is "Virgo," with Ludacris and Doug E. Fresh. The song has already made its way onto mixtapes (see "Mixtape Monday: Young Buck Gets Shine On G-Unit City, Luda Talks Birth Of 'Virgo' ").
"That joint was fun," he said. "Doug E. Fresh is one of the greatest entertainers and one of the guys I looked up to. Ludacris is witty, fun and one of the tightest lyricists out there. All of us are cool, and one of the main reasons is we share the same sign.
"Doug does the beat box on the record," he continued, "so it reminds you of a Slick Rick, 'La Di Da Di'-style [song]. On 'La Di Da Di,' Slick Rick was having fun talking about this girl he bumped into. It's vulgar, it's funny, and Ludacris brings that effect to it. Being a fan of Slick Rick, I bring that Slick Rick/ New York vibe to it."
Nas said he and Fresh originally did the song together but decided to ask Ludacris to join the collaboration because he and Luda had been talking about working on another song (the two first rapped together on Nas' "Made You Look" remix) — and because Cris is a Virgo.
"Our birthdays are close to each other," Nas said. "We've been talking about doing a birthday party together, and this song is like a party on wax."
Another major collaborator on Street's Disciple is Busta Rhymes. He laid down the chorus for "Suicide Bounce," a song which also features newcomer Quan (Quan, an MC from VA, is the man Nas says he's passing the baton to as the new hot MC on "Just a Moment").
" 'Suicide Bounce' is based off when you feel pressured and you feel like you can't take it, but you're not dumb enough to take your life," Nas said. "You feel like you want to do something to somebody, you just wanna go off. The energy of the record is to keep you going, push you forward, keep you bouncing instead of calling it quits. Busta Rhymes is on the hook, and he brings the energy. It felt like 'Hate Me Now.' "
Love and hate are the themes of "War," which Nas calls his most personal record on the double opus.
" 'War' is [about] my baby-mama drama," he said. " 'War' talks about when my daughter was born and me first being on the scene with stardom. It kinda went to my head. Me and her mom were young. It just shows what happens to the household when we run and speed into things. I don't really wanna blame anybody, even though I did go through extra-crazy scenarios. I still don't point the finger; I'm the bigger man. I think everything is an experience, and I feel you learn from everything. That record got personal because I named the years and dates from where I'm at."
Believe it or not, Nas says it's that style of record that makes him second-guess himself.
"You lay the record down, and then you don't want nobody to hear it," he said. "[You ask], 'Are they going to judge me?' After it's laid, I'm scared, and I don't want the record to come out. I'm like, 'Let's change it.' It's too late by then. But I say forget it and just let it be out."
Nas admits he's a little weird. Luckily he has two soul mates, his fiancee, Kelis, and his child, Destiny, to help keep him sane.
"They're my therapists," he said. "I'm a tortured, torn, insane guy. They make me feel great."
Kelis, who appears twice on the album (see "Nas Salutes The Ladies, Past And Present, On Upcoming LP"), acted as muse for some of his rhymes. "She was there for a lot of it," Nas said. "She helped me out on two songs — just [her] talking to me inspired me."
For a look at the recording of Street's Disciple, check out the feature "Nas: A Fire Inside."
— Shaheem Reid, with reporting by Curtis Waller and Bridget Bland
Nas' new shit is a banger! He spittin some real shit
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I hate how he implies that any black person that speaks well or conducts himself in an appropriate manner is some sort of sell out, or "coon". Just because Nas doesn't know how to speak proper English doesn't make him more black or better black than any other black guy. I don't know if he's joking around or not, but if he is being serious then he's an idiot. Tiger Woods doesn't coke from the ghetto or streets, why should he have to give back to it in any way? When Nas starts giving money to farm aid, then I'll want Tiger Woods tom give money to Queensbridge. Nas is no "hero" himself. He's just another idiot with opinions he doesn't think too much about, because if he did think about them he'd realize it isn't his place to call people out like that for no reason.
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I hate how he implies that any black person that speaks well or conducts himself in an appropriate manner is some sort of sell out, or "coon". Just because Nas doesn't know how to speak proper English doesn't make him more black or better black than any other black guy. I don't know if he's joking around or not, but if he is being serious then he's an idiot. Tiger Woods doesn't coke from the ghetto or streets, why should he have to give back to it in any way? When Nas starts giving money to farm aid, then I'll want Tiger Woods tom give money to Queensbridge. Nas is no "hero" himself. He's just another idiot with opinions he doesn't think too much about, because if he did think about them he'd realize it isn't his place to call people out like that for no reason.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and he just speakin some real shit that i feel and i'm sure alot of hood niggas feel....but yea his album is classic hip hop...
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I hate how he implies that any black person that speaks well or conducts himself in an appropriate manner is some sort of sell out, or "coon". Just because Nas doesn't know how to speak proper English doesn't make him more black or better black than any other black guy. I don't know if he's joking around or not, but if he is being serious then he's an idiot. Tiger Woods doesn't coke from the ghetto or streets, why should he have to give back to it in any way? When Nas starts giving money to farm aid, then I'll want Tiger Woods tom give money to Queensbridge. Nas is no "hero" himself. He's just another idiot with opinions he doesn't think too much about, because if he did think about them he'd realize it isn't his place to call people out like that for no reason.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and he just speakin some real shit that i feel and i'm sure alot of hood niggas feel....but yea his album is classic hip hop...
My opinion is that he sounds stupid saying it. His opinion is that those people aren't as "black" as they're supposed to be. It's racist and it's slander. If a guy like Timberlake were to say the same thing he'd be ostracized. Just because a black guy from he streets says it doesn't make it right. If I could choose between being Tiger Woods or some loser thug on the streets, I'd pick Tiger every time. Even if Tiger was broke. I'm not saying I look up to Tiger Woods, but look way down on the streets, and I'm not saying this from the outside. I grew up on the streets and still live in them, I just choose my actions wisely and refuse to lower myself to Satan's level. AND I DO NOT PURPOSELY SPEAK LIKE I'M LESS EDUCATED THAN I REALLY AM JUST TO FIT IN.
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"You can't do better than that?/ The hotel clerk who adjusts the bathroom mat?"
lmao
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Nas is a bitch, always has been a bitch, always will be a bitch. He doesn't like to see blacks succeed that dont' look and act like him, and if you'll notice a common theme in his dissing here is black men that are with white women. He's a racist bastard, and he can suck a white dick.
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Nas is a bitch, always has been a bitch, always will be a bitch. He doesn't like to see blacks succeed that dont' look and act like him, and if you'll notice a common theme in his dissing here is black men that are with white women. He's a racist bastard, and he can suck a white dick.
To know the problems with black men and white women through history and act like it's all over is ignorence in your part. Now, when I was going out with black girls, I heard so much about it, it's unreal. Black women and white men have a huge problem with white women and black men. Why is that, well, black women will argue that once a black man does well, he ignores his black women and gets a white man. Now, some black men who are with black women feel it's their need to pick up this fight. If a black woman was on this board, they'd tell you many things about this topic. It's a very talk about topic, so why not put it in the public. Let's talk about it. Let's not ignore facts and public opinion, lets not just say someone is racist for putting a very controversal topic in the light.
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Man, Shut the fuck up. First, you're Not Black. Also, you're not White. So you're the last motherfucker I'm gonna take their opinion on this. Dissing black men that date white women... is RACIST, period, and Nas is a bitch for it (and tons of other things).
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Nas is a bitch, always has been a bitch, always will be a bitch. He doesn't like to see blacks succeed that dont' look and act like him, and if you'll notice a common theme in his dissing here is black men that are with white women. He's a racist bastard, and he can suck a white dick.
dont see how he is racist where even at his concert he was giving props to all the white people that support him.
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the reason so many black men are with white woman is b/c it dont get much easier than picking up a white broad.
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i'm tired of people saying that when a black man becomes successful that he automatically gets himself a white woman. thats bullshit!!!!! yes, there are brothers out there that do that but not the majority. and as far as nas saying what he said in the song "coon picnic", everything he said is true. he's not rascist for stating his opinion about "uncle tom" black entertainers and the white media. in the song he's saying how alot of our entertainers don't say and do things that can spark change within our communities. they have a voice that can be heard moreso than the "average" person. instead they "coon" and stay silent to things that affect our communities while making millions.
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i used to have respect for nas, but hes really makin himself look like an asshole,no reason for nas to go at kobe tiger or taye, nas is a hater and a hypocrite, JIGGA>NAS
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i agree with trauma and shallow.. how can u diss a person for now being black enough.. is there a black-o-meter, nas is a 10, and if ur not above a 7 your bad.. btw
Why is that, well, black women will argue that once a black man does well, he ignores his black women and gets a white man.
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Man, Shut the fuck up. First, you're Not Black. Also, you're not White. So you're the last motherfucker I'm gonna take their opinion on this. Dissing black men that date white women... is RACIST, period, and Nas is a bitch for it (and tons of other things).
As I said, if you hang out with black women, you'll hear a lot of what Nas is talking about. I am sure he hears it. Why not put it in a song. Music is expression, and if it's a topic that'll bring up EDUCATED conversation, then why not. Why not put it out there.
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I speak good english and like women other than black women....awwww shit I guess I'm a coon too then lol.
Whatever, Nas got his own opinion, I don't hate him for what he says, at least he says it like a man.
It sounded like a lot of jealousy in the song as well since he attack sucessful actors like Taye Dogg and Cuba Gooding, while he still hasn't gotten over that flop Belly.
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I speak good english and like women other than black women....awwww shit I guess I'm a coon too then lol.
Whatever, Nas got his own opinion, I don't hate him for what he says, at least he says it like a man.
It sounded like a lot of jealousy in the song as well since he attack sucessful actors like Taye Dogg and Cuba Gooding, while he still hasn't gotten over that flop Belly.
It's not the opinions that bother me. I can deal with ignorant racists and have no problems with their stupid opinions. It's the ones that claim to be against it like Nas does and then pull shit like this. It's not only in his songs, he's an idiot in interviews too. I mean he claims this holier than thou role and he just looks so stupid when he comes out like this. What bothers me even more is when Nas fans pay attention to shit like this just because it's Nas, and really have to think about it. If Bill O'Reily called well spoken black men with non black women "coons", all these Nas fans would call him the devil. But it's okay when Nas says it. ::)
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I speak good english and like women other than black women....awwww shit I guess I'm a coon too then lol.
Whatever, Nas got his own opinion, I don't hate him for what he says, at least he says it like a man.
It sounded like a lot of jealousy in the song as well since he attack sucessful actors like Taye Dogg and Cuba Gooding, while he still hasn't gotten over that flop Belly.
It's not the opinions that bother me. I can deal with ignorant racists and have no problems with their stupid opinions. It's the ones that claim to be against it like Nas does and then pull shit like this. It's not only in his songs, he's an idiot in interviews too. I mean he claims this holier than thou role and he just looks so stupid when he comes out like this. What bothers me even more is when Nas fans pay attention to shit like this just because it's Nas, and really have to think about it. If Bill O'Reily called well spoken black men with non black women "coons", all these Nas fans would call him the devil. But it's okay when Nas says it. ::)
Word, I feel ya man. It's a fucked up double standard.
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I speak good english and like women other than black women....awwww shit I guess I'm a coon too then lol.
Whatever, Nas got his own opinion, I don't hate him for what he says, at least he says it like a man.
It sounded like a lot of jealousy in the song as well since he attack sucessful actors like Taye Dogg and Cuba Gooding, while he still hasn't gotten over that flop Belly.
It's not the opinions that bother me. I can deal with ignorant racists and have no problems with their stupid opinions. It's the ones that claim to be against it like Nas does and then pull shit like this. It's not only in his songs, he's an idiot in interviews too. I mean he claims this holier than thou role and he just looks so stupid when he comes out like this. What bothers me even more is when Nas fans pay attention to shit like this just because it's Nas, and really have to think about it. If Bill O'Reily called well spoken black men with non black women "coons", all these Nas fans would call him the devil. But it's okay when Nas says it. ::)
I ain't really agreeing with the song. After all, I dated black women, I am actually a huge fan of Kobe Bryant, and etc. But I will say it's a topic talked about widely in the black communities. Hanging around black people, I hear it a lot, and I mean a lot. Black women talking about how white women take their men, black men trying to prove they are pro black by dissing those that date white women. It's funny, because in college, all the black men saying they'd only have a black girl, all of them were with white women. 2Pac was talking about the same thing in 1993, dissing Quincy Jones for marrying a white women and having fucked up mixed babies. Then 2Pac dated one of his daughters. The topic is old as fuck, Nas is just the lastest to talk about it. It doesn't make him racist, it doesn't make it controversial in my opinion because it's talked about everyday in colleges, in high schools. It's something that has to be brought out in the open, and talked about so that we can finally, after 139 years after slavery ended, after many black men were killed for just looking at white women, after Jack Johnson was arrested for traveling with his white wife and stripped of his heavyweight title for no reason, after all of the shit that's happened just for white women and black men falling in love, we need to end the conversation and move on. If this is the song to finally talk about it, great. I say release it as a single, though it might kill Nas's career, if his willing to do the song, he should be willing to pay the price. I say lets talk about it, lets clear all the air. This black men white women thing has been going on for too long not being accepted. After all this time, we need conversation, not dumb people saying others are racist.
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I speak good english and like women other than black women....awwww shit I guess I'm a coon too then lol.
Whatever, Nas got his own opinion, I don't hate him for what he says, at least he says it like a man.
It sounded like a lot of jealousy in the song as well since he attack sucessful actors like Taye Dogg and Cuba Gooding, while he still hasn't gotten over that flop Belly.
It's not the opinions that bother me. I can deal with ignorant racists and have no problems with their stupid opinions. It's the ones that claim to be against it like Nas does and then pull shit like this. It's not only in his songs, he's an idiot in interviews too. I mean he claims this holier than thou role and he just looks so stupid when he comes out like this. What bothers me even more is when Nas fans pay attention to shit like this just because it's Nas, and really have to think about it. If Bill O'Reily called well spoken black men with non black women "coons", all these Nas fans would call him the devil. But it's okay when Nas says it. ::)
I ain't really agreeing with the song. After all, I dated black women, I am actually a huge fan of Kobe Bryant, and etc. But I will say it's a topic talked about widely in the black communities. Hanging around black people, I hear it a lot, and I mean a lot. Black women talking about how white women take their men, black men trying to prove they are pro black by dissing those that date white women. It's funny, because in college, all the black men saying they'd only have a black girl, all of them were with white women. 2Pac was talking about the same thing in 1993, dissing Quincy Jones for marrying a white women and having fucked up mixed babies. Then 2Pac dated one of his daughters. The topic is old as fuck, Nas is just the lastest to talk about it. It doesn't make him racist, it doesn't make it controversial in my opinion because it's talked about everyday in colleges, in high schools. It's something that has to be brought out in the open, and talked about so that we can finally, after 139 years after slavery ended, after many black men were killed for just looking at white women, after Jack Johnson was arrested for traveling with his white wife and stripped of his heavyweight title for no reason, after all of the shit that's happened just for white women and black men falling in love, we need to end the conversation and move on. If this is the song to finally talk about it, great. I say release it as a single, though it might kill Nas's career, if his willing to do the song, he should be willing to pay the price. I say lets talk about it, lets clear all the air. This black men white women thing has been going on for too long not being accepted. After all this time, we need conversation, not dumb people saying others are racist.
Like I said, it's not the idea that bothers me. It's the fact that Nas claims to be above petty racism, and then he tears down all these black guys for not being "black" enough. Obviously interracial sex is an issue, but Nas doesn't address the issue as much as he insults these young men for having different tastes than he does. If Kobe wants to have sex with white women then that's his business, if Tiger Woods wants to speak proper english then that's his business. Nas is an idiot for trying to come off as Jesus, and then passing blame like Judas. Now you see, if he titled his album "Iscariot", then this would make sense, but he has many times in the past couple years associated himself as a Jesus type, and he is hardly showing it.
If he wanted to a dress the issue he could have done so in a story song or concept song. He shows me nothing to assume that it isn't really him saying these words.
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Just it being an issue makes me sick. I just wish people would drop it and live with harmony.
There I go again, dreaming...
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Exactly, who gives a shit. Date who you want to date, talk how you want to talk. People like NAS, who make an issue out of it, are the ones that perpetuate racism like this.
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I speak good english and like women other than black women....awwww shit I guess I'm a coon too then lol.
Whatever, Nas got his own opinion, I don't hate him for what he says, at least he says it like a man.
It sounded like a lot of jealousy in the song as well since he attack sucessful actors like Taye Dogg and Cuba Gooding, while he still hasn't gotten over that flop Belly.
It's not the opinions that bother me. I can deal with ignorant racists and have no problems with their stupid opinions. It's the ones that claim to be against it like Nas does and then pull shit like this. It's not only in his songs, he's an idiot in interviews too. I mean he claims this holier than thou role and he just looks so stupid when he comes out like this. What bothers me even more is when Nas fans pay attention to shit like this just because it's Nas, and really have to think about it. If Bill O'Reily called well spoken black men with non black women "coons", all these Nas fans would call him the devil. But it's okay when Nas says it. ::)
I ain't really agreeing with the song. After all, I dated black women, I am actually a huge fan of Kobe Bryant, and etc. But I will say it's a topic talked about widely in the black communities. Hanging around black people, I hear it a lot, and I mean a lot. Black women talking about how white women take their men, black men trying to prove they are pro black by dissing those that date white women. It's funny, because in college, all the black men saying they'd only have a black girl, all of them were with white women. 2Pac was talking about the same thing in 1993, dissing Quincy Jones for marrying a white women and having fucked up mixed babies. Then 2Pac dated one of his daughters. The topic is old as fuck, Nas is just the lastest to talk about it. It doesn't make him racist, it doesn't make it controversial in my opinion because it's talked about everyday in colleges, in high schools. It's something that has to be brought out in the open, and talked about so that we can finally, after 139 years after slavery ended, after many black men were killed for just looking at white women, after Jack Johnson was arrested for traveling with his white wife and stripped of his heavyweight title for no reason, after all of the shit that's happened just for white women and black men falling in love, we need to end the conversation and move on. If this is the song to finally talk about it, great. I say release it as a single, though it might kill Nas's career, if his willing to do the song, he should be willing to pay the price. I say lets talk about it, lets clear all the air. This black men white women thing has been going on for too long not being accepted. After all this time, we need conversation, not dumb people saying others are racist.
M Dogg, seriously, I'm starting to doubt your intelligence... you blast me for saying he's racist, but yet 'conversation' I guess, to you, is to call those that have different culture than you "coons" ? Who's the fucking bigot? I'm a white man, and I don't have a problem with black guys dating white women... NAS does, though! Why? because he's a fuckin' racist. Isn't 'not wanting black men to fuck white women' at the heart of racism, anyways? Believe me, that is the fundamental issue behind racism, and here NAS is supporting it.
BTW, I got a newsflash, he's the fucking Coon out of everyone he named.
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Do you want me to break it down to you how this topic is important in the black, and yes even in the Latin community. I know for you, you can't imagine this problem. Why, because you are a white man, you don't have to care about issues in minority communities, so to you it's not important. Let me break it down for you.
Minorities and their dealing with the white race. We start with the black man white woman thing. For years and years, black men have struggle in trying to fit into American society. The one person that stood next to the black man is the black woman. No matter what, black women want a good black man. Black men have historically struggled, been out of work, and basically find it hard to support their families. Now, there are exceptions. As far as you look back, there have been black men that have made it, that have become successful in United States history. And traditionally, once they make it, they go with white women. This rubs black women wrong, and other black men who are "pro-black". The question becomes, why is it that once that man is able to make it, why does he leave the black race. But if he was still struggling, he'd turn to a black woman. It's a big deal to people in the black race. And as a Latino, I can relate.
In Latin American, the color of your skin is a sign of class. The lighter your skin, the higher class you are. Skin is a way to judge how much money you have. If your a dark skin person, good luck finding someone wanting to marry. Even in the United States, a really pretty Latina will find a white man to marry, and in her head she has traded up from lowly Latin's to the better white man. With our men, once we can prove we are successful, we then find white women. Even pro La Raza (the race) Edward James Omos is now married to a white woman.
Minorities get mad at the other minorities wanting to be like the white people. I mean, we are struggling trying to make it, and here are other minorities selling out once they make it. Is it right, is it wrong. Personally, I was one of the few in my college that said I would date a white girl, hell I've dated white girls, black girls, Latinas of course, and even Asian girls. Personally, I don't really care who you love. But the issue is still in the minority communities. You, not being a minority cannot understand, because these are issues we have to deal with ourselves. Nas making a song, right or wrong, is good to finally put everything public, and hopefully we can move on. 2Pac did the same thing in his Source interview, talking about all kinds of shit like that. Nas and 2Pac are from the era of rappers, the ones that shortly followed Public Enemy and KRS-One. So it should be as no surprise that they have these believes, and I think it's time to clear all the air. It's time for everything to be put in the table. You think I'm encouraging racism, but you've never interracial dated, you never caught heat for it. Hell, even my own mother said I can't white girls. My dad laughed when I was just talking to a white girl. You know, it's not exactly something I agree with, since I've been on the Kobe side of this conversation. But then again, you'd never know there's an issue, because you don't have to know. I've known forever and a day, from both sides. It's time to finally get all this out the way.
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Do you want me to break it down to you how this topic is important in the black, and yes even in the Latin community. I know for you, you can't imagine this problem. Why, because you are a white man, you don't have to care about issues in minority communities, so to you it's not important. Let me break it down for you.
Minorities and their dealing with the white race. We start with the black man white woman thing. For years and years, black men have struggle in trying to fit into American society. The one person that stood next to the black man is the black woman. No matter what, black women want a good black man. Black men have historically struggled, been out of work, and basically find it hard to support their families. Now, there are exceptions. As far as you look back, there have been black men that have made it, that have become successful in United States history. And traditionally, once they make it, they go with white women. This rubs black women wrong, and other black men who are "pro-black". The question becomes, why is it that once that man is able to make it, why does he leave the black race. But if he was still struggling, he'd turn to a black woman. It's a big deal to people in the black race. And as a Latino, I can relate.
In Latin American, the color of your skin is a sign of class. The lighter your skin, the higher class you are. Skin is a way to judge how much money you have. If your a dark skin person, good luck finding someone wanting to marry. Even in the United States, a really pretty Latina will find a white man to marry, and in her head she has traded up from lowly Latin's to the better white man. With our men, once we can prove we are successful, we then find white women. Even pro La Raza (the race) Edward James Omos is now married to a white woman.
Minorities get mad at the other minorities wanting to be like the white people. I mean, we are struggling trying to make it, and here are other minorities selling out once they make it. Is it right, is it wrong. Personally, I was one of the few in my college that said I would date a white girl, hell I've dated white girls, black girls, Latinas of course, and even Asian girls. Personally, I don't really care who you love. But the issue is still in the minority communities. You, not being a minority cannot understand, because these are issues we have to deal with ourselves. Nas making a song, right or wrong, is good to finally put everything public, and hopefully we can move on. 2Pac did the same thing in his Source interview, talking about all kinds of shit like that. Nas and 2Pac are from the era of rappers, the ones that shortly followed Public Enemy and KRS-One. So it should be as no surprise that they have these believes, and I think it's time to clear all the air. It's time for everything to be put in the table. You think I'm encouraging racism, but you've never interracial dated, you never caught heat for it. Hell, even my own mother said I can't white girls. My dad laughed when I was just talking to a white girl. You know, it's not exactly something I agree with, since I've been on the Kobe side of this conversation. But then again, you'd never know there's an issue, because you don't have to know. I've known forever and a day, from both sides. It's time to finally get all this out the way.
I disagree with your claim that black women stood by the black men while the black men take white women after they become successful. Now you could make an argument that there have been a large portion of very successful black men who chose white women. There have not been enough successful black women to make the comparison. Who's to say that black women wouldn't choose white men once they make it big. The whole thing is simple ignorance, but it is commonplace in society. Nas of all people should be able to rise above it. He doesn't have to lower himself to a racist simply to show how it is. He doesn't even portray that way. This songs comes off as a racist Nas hating on successful black men for not being thugs, not as a song about racism towards interracial relationships. Download "Brother Louie" by the band Stories. They portray it much better than Nas.
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have any of yall actually heard the record?
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have any of yall actually heard the record?
Yes I have, and it doesn't sound so insulting at first, but it becomes apparant after a few listens, that he's sarcastically praising these people. If I'm wrong and Nas comes out and says he really was prasing Tiger and Cuba tec, then I'll be the first to apologize.
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And you know what really bugs me? When Nas uses blatant lies to help his point of racism across. He goes "whatever happenned to Weezy, the Redd Foxxes? Never got Emmys but where real to me." Redd Foxx was nominated 4 times, and Isabel Sanford (Weezy) won in '81. The guy doesn't even put an effort in his information. He could at least have found black people that were ignored by the Emmys. I can't believe I used to think this guy was smart. I mean shit, these pro black morons need to get realistic. Of course there's going to be more white people at the top. It's because there's more white people. It's a fucking ratio. White people consist of 70% of Americans. Blacks are only like 12%. So obviously there's going to be less blacks. Hispanics have recently beat out blacks as leading minority. Why don't they complain as much. Keep in mind that out of the 70% of white people, 68 of them lived like shit during slave times anyway. And still don't live it up.
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LOL @ Shallow all upset. Nas did his job with this track, he got you this uppity.
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LOL @ Shallow all upset. Nas did his job with this track, he got you this uppity.
Actually I've been mad since "I Can" came out. I've never gotten over it.
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Now y'all are complication a somewhat simple issue.
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the reason so many black men are with white woman is b/c it dont get much easier than picking up a white broad.
where the white women at?lol
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Those of yall calling Nas "racist" are obviously missing the point and are completely unfamiliar with issues affecting the black community. I think Lost Angel is on point, you articulated the issue well. Trauma, have you actually heard the song? Where did he actually say that a black man and a white woman hooking up is wrong? If anything, Nas talking about Kobe's situation is bringing to light an issue that is still taboo in today's society. Personally, being a black male, I knew Kobe was in some serious shit when Kobe was accused of rape by a white woman. These are issues that are real and have to be dealt with on a daily basis. For you to dismiss his song as "racist" shows a complete lack of understanding behind the real issues here.
He's not mad at blacks for acting "white" since really there is not such thing as acting "white" or acting "black". He's talking about those that make fools out of themselves, playing stereotypes for cheddar and those that forget where they come from. That's what he's addressing and that is a ligitimate issue in the black community. After all, he gave props to articulate brothas like Tavis Smiley and Michael Eric Dyson
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trauma u truely are a fuckin moron and analyze to far into the track. Just think bout the people he calls out and what hes implying. your taking it way to far. dont get mad, its hip hop. not that rap shit. its got truth you just dont see it probly cuz in society some things are becoming ok to you. like Homosexuals. black men usually only wit white girlz cuz they r easy and white girls wanna eb accepted into the hip hop culture, so they think sleepin wit a black man will get them there. thats why those white girls are all whores and junkies anyways. hes not even close to being racist anyway.
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its hip hop. not that rap shit.
Keep in mind that Trauma doesn't like hip hop or rap much. He likes :puke: Country
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lol@some of the white cats in here, nas "i can" is sick.....
nas>eminem........dont get pink y'all
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i agree, nas is back to his 'i'm gonna be a bitch' stage.
he sounds like that motherfucker 'infinite' (hip hop is dead...) on this board. thinkin he and only he knows what's right for everybody else.
he's acting like god again. can't stand that shit.
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He doesn't say it in the song, but I guess I'm the only one here intelligent enough to recognize nearly everyone he calls out is a black man with a white wife? Nas:Bitch. That ought to be the name of his new album.
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lol@some of the white cats in here, nas "i can" is sick.....
nas>eminem........dont get pink y'all
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I would never say Em is a better rapper than Nas. As of right now Nas is greater. Em may get better, but probably not, who knows?
As for "I Can"; it's false facts spread to create a movement. This is called propaganda. If you can't see through it then you're a moron.
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Is that for me?
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NYPD Investigating Threats Against "Wicked" Star and Husband Taye Diggs
Courtesy of WABC 7
(New York- WABC, December 5, 2004 ) -- He is a movie star and she won the Tony Award for best actress in a musical. Tonight New York City police are investigating threats against this interracial couple as a possible hate crime.
Taye Diggs and Idina Menzel have gotten at least three letters in which the writer threatens to "burn" and "castrate" Diggs, and calling him a "sellout" for marryng a white woman.
The writer also threatens to burn down the Gershwin Theater, where Menzel is starring in "Wicked."
The letters all have different postmarks, from New York, Philadelphia, and Ohio.
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NYPD Investigating Threats Against "Wicked" Star and Husband Taye Diggs
Courtesy of WABC 7
(New York- WABC, December 5, 2004 ) -- He is a movie star and she won the Tony Award for best actress in a musical. Tonight New York City police are investigating threats against this interracial couple as a possible hate crime.
Taye Diggs and Idina Menzel have gotten at least three letters in which the writer threatens to "burn" and "castrate" Diggs, and calling him a "sellout" for marryng a white woman.
The writer also threatens to burn down the Gershwin Theater, where Menzel is starring in "Wicked."
The letters all have different postmarks, from New York, Philadelphia, and Ohio.
I would never deny that this is an isue in the black community (and latino communities), but I don't care for Nas's stance on it. If he really is Jesus like the cover of his album, and various lines in his songs, want you to see him as, then he would be against the hatred towards interrcial couples and not antagonzing those with in interracial relationships.
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Nas spoke the truth i am glad he exposed all the coons
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i like the song..shit is funny...and cuba "radio: where's my pie!!!??" gooding jr is 1 of the whitest black men on earth ion care what nebody says..when ricky got shot..it scared the black out of his ass..
what eminem can speak his mind on his race...and nas cant..people need to get they heads out they ass..and jus enjoy the music..he aint doin shit but callin out all the uncle tom's jus like hood critic's do..at barbershops and shit..
u dont wanna hear how them niggas and bitches be talkin at wear i get my fades from..u'd think huey newton and nat turner was finna come thru or sumthin
nas showed his ass on this song..prop's nasir...
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i like the song..shit is funny...and cuba "radio: where's my pie!!!??" gooding jr is 1 of the whitest black men on earth ion care what nebody says..when ricky got shot..it scared the black out of his ass..
what eminem can speak his mind on his race...and nas cant..people need to get they heads out they ass..and jus enjoy the music..he aint doin shit but callin out all the uncle tom's jus like hood critic's do..at barbershops and shit..
u dont wanna hear how them niggas and bitches be talkin at wear i get my fades from..u'd think huey newton and nat turner was finna come thru or sumthin
nas showed his ass on this song..prop's nasir...
What did Eminem say that was ever condoned? If Nas wants to be an ignorant racist than that's fine, but tell him he can't be an ignorant racist and Jesus at the same time. Ignorant racist Jesus is an oxymoron.
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i like the song..shit is funny...and cuba "radio: where's my pie!!!??" gooding jr is 1 of the whitest black men on earth ion care what nebody says..when ricky got shot..it scared the black out of his ass..
what eminem can speak his mind on his race...and nas cant..people need to get they heads out they ass..and jus enjoy the music..he aint doin shit but callin out all the uncle tom's jus like hood critic's do..at barbershops and shit..
u dont wanna hear how them niggas and bitches be talkin at wear i get my fades from..u'd think huey newton and nat turner was finna come thru or sumthin
nas showed his ass on this song..prop's nasir...
Hahaha for real though. These cats are acting like Nas made "Horny Lil Devil" part 2 or something. You're right about Eminem, he made that song "White America". I give Nas props for having artistic integrity. Maybe you guys would like it if Nas went back to being "escobar" and pretend to be a mobster drug dealer again.
Like I said earlier, which of course was ignored by the "Nas is racist" crowd, these are issues that are discussed amongst ourselves all the time and are legitimate issues. Bringing up those issues are intended to spark much needed debate. Since most of yall are on the outside looking in, you're passing judgement on something that you not only know nothing about, but refuse to even understand and that says more about you than it does about Nas.
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i like the song..shit is funny...and cuba "radio: where's my pie!!!??" gooding jr is 1 of the whitest black men on earth ion care what nebody says..when ricky got shot..it scared the black out of his ass..
what eminem can speak his mind on his race...and nas cant..people need to get they heads out they ass..and jus enjoy the music..he aint doin shit but callin out all the uncle tom's jus like hood critic's do..at barbershops and shit..
u dont wanna hear how them niggas and bitches be talkin at wear i get my fades from..u'd think huey newton and nat turner was finna come thru or sumthin
nas showed his ass on this song..prop's nasir...
Hahaha for real though. These cats are acting like Nas made "Horny Lil Devil" part 2 or something. You're right about Eminem, he made that song "White America". I give Nas props for having artistic integrity. Maybe you guys would like it if Nas went back to being "escobar" and pretend to be a mobster drug dealer again.
Like I said earlier, which of course was ignored by the "Nas is racist" crowd, these are issues that are discussed amongst ourselves all the time and are legitimate issues. Bringing up those issues are intended to spark much needed debate. Since most of yall are on the outside looking in, you're passing judgement on something that you not only know nothing about, but refuse to even understand and that says more about you than it does about Nas.
Like I said before, I just don't like the approach he took. He didn't have to insult these men. If he was indeed saying for the sake of the song and not personal opinion then fine, but he isn't just bashing black men for choosing white women. He 's saying this shjoit about giving back to the streets. What does Tyger Woods owe to the street? Once again, if he is just expressing general ignorance for the sake of the song then fine, but I don't think so. It just doesn't sound that way. I still think Nas is going mad, and I thought that way before I heard this song. It was when I first heard verse 3 of I Can.
"Egypt was the place that Alexander the Great went
He was so shocked at the mountains with black faces
Shot up they nose to impose what basically
Still goes on today, you see?
The video referrs to the Sphynx. This is a blatant lie, and I know people that still belive Alexander shot off the nose. The probable truth is, that the higher class Egyptians were all more Arab than Black, and Alexander saved Egypt. By the time Greece came to Egypt it was in turmoil, he brought order back and became Pharoah. The day of Rameses was long gone by the time Alexander came.
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"Let's hear it, one for the coons on UPN 9 and WB who 'yes massa' on TV/ Whatever happened to Weezy, the Red Foxxes who never got Emmys but were real to me?"
^^^ That line is dope, and it's true. It could have even been directed towards Red and Meth for selling out and being the white man's mascot, they totally debased themselves on that sitcom to play lapdog to whitey and earn an extra buck.
And everyone is automatically assuming that Nas dissed Tiger, Kobe, and O.J. just because they marry white women. Don't assume.
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Its a free country..In America you have he freedom of speech and can say whatever the fuck you want......... No matter how stupid it is
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"Let's hear it, one for the coons on UPN 9 and WB who 'yes massa' on TV/ Whatever happened to Weezy, the Red Foxxes who never got Emmys but were real to me?"
^^^ That line is dope, and it's true. It could have even been directed towards Red and Meth for selling out and being the white man's mascot, they totally debased themselves on that sitcom to play lapdog to whitey and earn an extra buck.
And everyone is automatically assuming that Nas dissed Tiger, Kobe, and O.J. just because they marry white women. Don't assume.
But it isn't true. The actress that played Weezy, Isabel Sanford, did win an Emmy. Nas clearly stated she didn't and he was wrong. Nas is wrong! That line applies to almost everything that comes out of his moutht these days.
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This thread reminds me of the Episode of Donahue Dave Chapelle was on: Angry White Men.
LOL.
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This thread reminds me of the Episode of Donahue Dave Chapelle was on: Angry White Men.
LOL.
I'm not angry, I'm dissapointed at ignorance.
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Shallow, all you have demonstrated here is that Nas didn't get his facts straight at times, whoopdy fuckin doo. You have failed to demonstrate however that he is racist. Why did he diss Kobe, OJ and Tiger? It's obvious but apparently yall don't see it, let me break it down for you.
Kobe: Gets in trouble in Colorado, then tried to snitch on Shaq to get himself out of it, then proceeds to destroy the Laker franchise in the process.
Tiger: Gets props in golf, embraced by the black community but calls himself "caliblasion" or whatever that was, which was pretty much a fuck you to those who supported him. It's not like the white golfers accepted him, they were making fried chicken and watermelon jokes about him.
OJ: Ditched his black wife for his white trophy wife, forgets that he's black, kills his trophy wife and tries to run home, hires Johnny Cochran to play the race card, black community supports him, after all he's one of us right? Right....
That's why Nas dissed these fools. Them having white wives is immaterial, shit I've messed with white girls myself. It's their behavior that he along with other black folks find repulsive. That's why he called them out.
It has nothing to do with how they act specifically or being articulate or any of those kind of issues that others brought up. It has to do with their behavior period. If you watched the movie Bamboozled, the whole premise of the movie was the critique of the new millenium minstrel show, which is basically where black actors, entertainers or rappers debase themselves by playing upon fucked up stereotypes in order to sell records or to make it big in movies. We have this in hiphop, we have this in acting. A lot of black folks have a problem with this due to the fact that we as a people are judged by the worst among us, by the shucking and jiving negro that will appear on movies like Soul Plane, trying to get that extra buck from massa. That's what Nas is talking about here.
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Shallow, all you have demonstrated here is that Nas didn't get his facts straight at times, whoopdy fuckin doo. You have failed to demonstrate however that he is racist. Why did he diss Kobe, OJ and Tiger? It's obvious but apparently yall don't see it, let me break it down for you.
Kobe: Gets in trouble in Colorado, then tried to snitch on Shaq to get himself out of it, then proceeds to destroy the Laker franchise in the process.
Tiger: Gets props in golf, embraced by the black community but calls himself "caliblasion" or whatever that was, which was pretty much a fuck you to those who supported him. It's not like the white golfers accepted him, they were making fried chicken and watermelon jokes about him.
OJ: Ditched his black wife for his white trophy wife, forgets that he's black, kills his trophy wife and tries to run home, hires Johnny Cochran to play the race card, black community supports him, after all he's one of us right? Right....
That's why Nas dissed these fools. Them having white wives is immaterial, shit I've messed with white girls myself. It's their behavior that he along with other black folks find repulsive. That's why he called them out.
It has nothing to do with how they act specifically or being articulate or any of those kind of issues that others brought up. It has to do with their behavior period. If you watched the movie Bamboozled, the whole premise of the movie was the critique of the new millenium minstrel show, which is basically where black actors, entertainers or rappers debase themselves by playing upon fucked up stereotypes in order to sell records or to make it big in movies. We have this in hiphop, we have this in acting. A lot of black folks have a problem with this due to the fact that we as a people are judged by the worst among us, by the shucking and jiving negro that will appear on movies like Soul Plane, trying to get that extra buck from massa. That's what Nas is talking about here.
I don't care much for Kobe, and O.J., but it has nothing to do with their color. Tiger Woods doesn't owe anyone shit. It was the foolish ignorant racist pride of the African Americans that caused them to embrace him. He just went out there to play golf. Not once did I ever see him try to capitloize on his "blackness", or claim to be something he wasn't. You can tell the guy is clearly of mixed race, why should he embrace one more than the other? Just because the ignorant racist whites see him the way they do, doesn't mean it's what he is to himself, and that's all that matters.
What about Cuba Gooding, what did he do? Why didn't Nas mention Bill Cosby? Nas is a fool, and has been for a while.
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Shallow, just let it go. You're on the outside looking in. Juronimo is black, he feels what Nas is saying and understands it.
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Shallow, just let it go. You're on the outside looking in. Juronimo is black, he feels what Nas is saying and understands it.
This has to do with right and wrong, not black and not black. I hate when people say if you're not black then you can't...... whatever. Nas tries to come off as this holier than thou type of person and he constanty contradicts it. If some KKK guy said the same thing I probably wouldn't think anything of it, because that guy would be seen as the idiot he is and there would be no reason for me say what had already been said by everyone else, but it isn't okay for a black person to show racism against blacks or accuse them of being less "black" than they should be.
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nas aint mention bill kuz bill.. is already speakin out on the shit we do..and he is already catchin heat for finally jus comin out and sayin what needed to be said..thanx 2 wanda syke's
and alll the shit nas said.. it aint like none of the people he dissed will lose anysleep
"It aint nuthin but muuuuuuuuuuuuusic" -"outlaw" 2pac
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Shallow, just let it go. You're on the outside looking in. Juronimo is black, he feels what Nas is saying and understands it.
This has to do with right and wrong, not black and not black. I hate when people say if you're not black then you can't...... whatever. Nas tries to come off as this holier than thou type of person and he constanty contradicts it. If some KKK guy said the same thing I probably wouldn't think anything of it, because that guy would be seen as the idiot he is and there would be no reason for me say what had already been said by everyone else, but it isn't okay for a black person to show racism against blacks or accuse them of being less "black" than they should be.
The funny thing is that white people really have an issue with blacks talking about the black community, because it's one thing they cannot control. Black will not have any of this talking about black issues. Now if Eminem talks about white America, his an artist genious, his stating his opinion, but if Nas is talking about the state of black people, you get pissed because it's not your place to say shit, but Nas can. You are saying his racist, for dissing black people for doing stupit shit. It's a black community issue, and you get mad because you can't understand it has nothing to so with black and white, or right or wrong. What this has to do with is self image, it has to do with self hate of your race, and many other issues. I can give examples in the Latin community, because that's what I know, and speaking to many black people, they have the same issues. Like when a child is born, it's better to be lighter, because lighter is considered more attractive. In music videos, it's the lighter girls because that's see as beautiful. In Latin communities, if a woman is attractive enough, she will more than likely marry a white man, because that's considered a step up in class status. Black women though are not liked by white men, except white men that want to be black. When a Latin man gets an education, he goes for white women because they are a sign that they have made it, they can be accepted by white America. I've heard the same with black. In our communities, many women are left by the men that are still in the community, because our good men leave and marry white women (more of a myth, since that's our women's excuse to why there is no good Latin men) My mom was not a racist, but before she died she said it very clearly she does not want me to marry a white woman. It's an issue that deals with us, and our self hate of our race, not the white race. You guys just happen to be who we try to be like. The issue is even deeper than that. That's all just a quick type out. You can't even begin to understand it, so please don't try.
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this is fucking sad, trying to get on Nas and prove hes racist, or retarded and doesnt have his opinions straight. people just done get it. this topic is pointless now, no ones opinions r gunna change it seems....its just music. its his opinion...dont like...dont fuckin listen to and get over it...its on the CD, its in America...ur fucked.
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Shallow, just let it go. You're on the outside looking in. Juronimo is black, he feels what Nas is saying and understands it.
This has to do with right and wrong, not black and not black. I hate when people say if you're not black then you can't...... whatever. Nas tries to come off as this holier than thou type of person and he constanty contradicts it. If some KKK guy said the same thing I probably wouldn't think anything of it, because that guy would be seen as the idiot he is and there would be no reason for me say what had already been said by everyone else, but it isn't okay for a black person to show racism against blacks or accuse them of being less "black" than they should be.
The funny thing is that white people really have an issue with blacks talking about the black community, because it's one thing they cannot control. Black will not have any of this talking about black issues. Now if Eminem talks about white America, his an artist genious, his stating his opinion, but if Nas is talking about the state of black people, you get pissed because it's not your place to say shit, but Nas can. You are saying his racist, for dissing black people for doing stupit shit. It's a black community issue, and you get mad because you can't understand it has nothing to so with black and white, or right or wrong. What this has to do with is self image, it has to do with self hate of your race, and many other issues. I can give examples in the Latin community, because that's what I know, and speaking to many black people, they have the same issues. Like when a child is born, it's better to be lighter, because lighter is considered more attractive. In music videos, it's the lighter girls because that's see as beautiful. In Latin communities, if a woman is attractive enough, she will more than likely marry a white man, because that's considered a step up in class status. Black women though are not liked by white men, except white men that want to be black. When a Latin man gets an education, he goes for white women because they are a sign that they have made it, they can be accepted by white America. I've heard the same with black. In our communities, many women are left by the men that are still in the community, because our good men leave and marry white women (more of a myth, since that's our women's excuse to why there is no good Latin men) My mom was not a racist, but before she died she said it very clearly she does not want me to marry a white woman. It's an issue that deals with us, and our self hate of our race, not the white race. You guys just happen to be who we try to be like. The issue is even deeper than that. That's all just a quick type out. You can't even begin to understand it, so please don't try.
Some of this may apply to some white people, but not me.
1) You shouldn't generalize. You can't prove that every white man that goes with a black women is trying to be black. I never cared what race a woman is. If I'm attracted to her I just am.
2) I don't care what Eminem says because Eminem publicly states he's full of shit, and I don't now nor ever see him as someone that should be setting an example. Nas is an advocate on setting examples, and constantly criticizes those who put down women and such. (even though he does the same). Besides there is a difference between "White America" and "Coon Picnic". Eminem is just retelling the tale of his success the way he sees it. It's safe to assume that if he were a black rapper that less white kids would look up to him and buy his album. History has shown that people favor their own in. He probably is right. Em isn't dissing anybody for being white in the song. If he called all whites stupid and evil, like that "Hip Hop is Dead" guy does then I would disagree. I wouldn't feel to strongly on arguing because Em is an idiot and normally says stupid shit. He never claims to be holy. Nas claims to be Jesus, I expect more from Nas. Not because he's black, but because he assumes the righteous role. If Bill Cosby said all whites are evil and ruin everything I'd be disappointed in his ignorance and publicly disagree. I'd call him stupid and a moron, much like I am Nas. The same goes if Mel Gibson called blacks inferior. I mean if a guy makes 200 million cash on a movie promoting his love for Jesus and then contradicts everything Jesus would have said or done, then I'd get upset and disappointed.
It has nothing to do with color. It has to with right and wrong. Yeah maybe we do live in a time where black men who go with white women are seen as sell outs by their black community, but Billy Corgan of Smashing Pumpkins fame, once said "the best artists are those that stand above the times, not with the times". If Nas wants to express the generally feeling of the black community that's fine, but he doesn't have to point the finger and make it seem like these men are doing something evil.
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you didn't even read my post. You just responded to what you thought I typed. You read something about Eminem and assumed that was all i wrote. As I said, the problem is way deeper than you can imagion. It's a problem within our communities that you can never understand. Deal with it, move on with life, and don't judge Nas for being someone that expresses his point of view as a black man about black issues. That's like me judging white people for white issues. I don't know how white people think. I can't just say, well Eminem is a racist because he knows his taking advantage of his race, and is ignoring black people who started hip-hop. I don't even feel like that, and it's not my place to say. Now if Eminem says some shit on Mexicans, like we are all illegals, then we have an issue. The problem we have in our community, you can never understand. It runs deep, and wither it's for better or worst, because of the nature of our history, our issues have to deal with how we interact with white people, because well, white people basically took over our history. So what you have here are issues that run deeper than you can see. If you can't see the whole issue, then please don't comment.
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you didn't even read my post. You just responded to what you thought I typed. You read something about Eminem and assumed that was all i wrote. As I said, the problem is way deeper than you can imagion. It's a problem within our communities that you can never understand. Deal with it, move on with life, and don't judge Nas for being someone that expresses his point of view as a black man about black issues. That's like me judging white people for white issues. I don't know how white people think. I can't just say, well Eminem is a racist because he knows his taking advantage of his race, and is ignoring black people who started hip-hop. I don't even feel like that, and it's not my place to say. Now if Eminem says some shit on Mexicans, like we are all illegals, then we have an issue. The problem we have in our community, you can never understand. It runs deep, and wither it's for better or worst, because of the nature of our history, our issues have to deal with how we interact with white people, because well, white people basically took over our history. So what you have here are issues that run deeper than you can see. If you can't see the whole issue, then please don't comment.
I re-read your post. I guess I confused the White America part with the White America song. It still doesn't change anything. It's not what was said, as much as how it was said and by who said it. I'm disappointed with Nas because he claims to be better than that. I'd be disappointed with Cosby and Gibson, because they claim the same. I don't care what Em says because I don't expect anything from Em as far ad morality is concerened.
I (think) understand what you mean when you say the White Man's world has caused people of other races to hate themselves and look at whiter as better or more respectable. This is something that needs to be fixed, but not by insulting those that choose lighter women. You cannot say for sure that a black or hispanic man with a white women is only with her for class, or subconscious betterment. It's a nice theory and it may be true for some, but it is foolish to apply it to every interracial couple you see (I'm not saying that you do). What if they really do love each other and want to be together?
The bottom line is that I just don't like his stand. If he were to come out with a song where the obvious message is "all you blacks that think white means better or more respectable need to love yourselves and accept equality, but that doesn't mean you have to stay with your own to stay 'black". Then I would commend him, and totally agree with the moral of the song. There is nothing wrong with saying that. Calling blacks with white women sell outs, or blacks not from the streets who don't give to the streets, sell outs, is falling victim to the times. Nas claims he's above it, yet he's failed to show it. He did the same on verse 3 of I Can. There is a way to compliment one race with out insulting the other, he chooses not to do so. That's fine for a black seperatist, because that's what they stand for, but Nas claims to stand for much more.
I apoligize if I missed your point again. Please explain it to me if I'm wrong.
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you got the point. It's just understanding, which is hard. It's all good. I mean, you expect more from Nas, and as a minority, I expect no less, because to me, it's something I feel should be touched on. As someone who sees the issue as it is, and knows the resent history, and has been on both sides of the interracial dating fence, getting dissed for dating white girls, and if you can believe this, I was actually getting praise for dating a Latina, not because she was pretty or we looked happy together, but because I stuck to my race... lol. I has a lot more to do with love. Yes, in some cases it is love, and yes it's possible. But the main issue is so deep. It's deeper for minorities because we have to look at ourselves, our communities, our people. This is an issue that 2Pac did many years ago, it's one that Chuck D, Ice Cube and many other "political" or "conscience" rapper has tackled, all from the same stance Nas is in. If all these rappers that are seen as higher in social awareness take the same stance, don't you think that what you see as negative, that others see as positive. As I said, it's not about right or wrong, it's about self image, self hate in our communities, also it's about racial awareness, and who we are. It's deep, for minorities, it's real deep. You have your stance because of your background and how it's not an issue for you. Our stance comes from our history and the fact that it is an issue. Just we come to the same issue from different angles... so we look at it differently. Don't hate Nas if he sees the issue from the left side when his looking in from the left, well you see it on the right. It's a very sad reality about the state of racial relations. You'd think after all these years, it would finally end.
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Tiger Woods doesn't owe anyone shit. It was the foolish ignorant racist pride of the African Americans that caused them to embrace him.
Are you serious? Being proud of being black, even though for years we have been told we were inferior and ignorant makes us racist?
Wow.
Damn straight I'm proud of being black. My heritage, what my ancestors have accomplishments despite overwhelming odds makes me proud.
How does me or any other black person being proud of our heritage makes us racist? You obviously have no idea what racism is. I really hope you're not this stupid.
Let me ask you a question. Why do you listen to hip hop? What do you get out of it? Do you feel it, I mean really feel what's being expressed by hip hop artists, I mean the artists the are actually speaking on some real shit?
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Shallow, just let it go. You're on the outside looking in. Juronimo is black, he feels what Nas is saying and understands it.
This has to do with right and wrong, not black and not black. I hate when people say if you're not black then you can't...... whatever. Nas tries to come off as this holier than thou type of person and he constanty contradicts it. If some KKK guy said the same thing I probably wouldn't think anything of it, because that guy would be seen as the idiot he is and there would be no reason for me say what had already been said by everyone else, but it isn't okay for a black person to show racism against blacks or accuse them of being less "black" than they should be.
The funny thing is that white people really have an issue with blacks talking about the black community, because it's one thing they cannot control. Black will not have any of this talking about black issues. Now if Eminem talks about white America, his an artist genious, his stating his opinion, but if Nas is talking about the state of black people, you get pissed because it's not your place to say shit, but Nas can. You are saying his racist, for dissing black people for doing stupit shit. It's a black community issue, and you get mad because you can't understand it has nothing to so with black and white, or right or wrong. What this has to do with is self image, it has to do with self hate of your race, and many other issues. I can give examples in the Latin community, because that's what I know, and speaking to many black people, they have the same issues. Like when a child is born, it's better to be lighter, because lighter is considered more attractive. In music videos, it's the lighter girls because that's see as beautiful. In Latin communities, if a woman is attractive enough, she will more than likely marry a white man, because that's considered a step up in class status. Black women though are not liked by white men, except white men that want to be black. When a Latin man gets an education, he goes for white women because they are a sign that they have made it, they can be accepted by white America. I've heard the same with black. In our communities, many women are left by the men that are still in the community, because our good men leave and marry white women (more of a myth, since that's our women's excuse to why there is no good Latin men) My mom was not a racist, but before she died she said it very clearly she does not want me to marry a white woman. It's an issue that deals with us, and our self hate of our race, not the white race. You guys just happen to be who we try to be like. The issue is even deeper than that. That's all just a quick type out. You can't even begin to understand it, so please don't try.
Nicely said, Lost Angel.
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Tiger Woods doesn't owe anyone shit. It was the foolish ignorant racist pride of the African Americans that caused them to embrace him.
Are you serious? Being proud of being black, even though for years we have been told we were inferior and ignorant makes us racist?
Wow.
Damn straight I'm proud of being black. My heritage, what my ancestors have accomplishments despite overwhelming odds makes me proud.
How does me or any other black person being proud of our heritage makes us racist? You obviously have no idea what racism is. I really hope you're not this stupid.
Let me ask you a question. Why do you listen to hip hop? What do you get out of it? Do you feel it, I mean really feel what's being expressed by hip hop artists, I mean the artists the are actually speaking on some real shit?
Being proud to be black is not racist, but only liking golf because a black guy is good at it is racist. If Tiger was white how many black kids would care? Look at Vijay Singh, he's dark skinned and no one gives a shit. He never gets the big money ad deals or anything like that. Tiger just went out there to play golf, not represent the streets, because he wasn't from the streets. A whole bunch of black kids and community leaders embraced him just because he was black. How is that not racist? I would say it's like white kids who only started listening to hip hop because if Em, but it was Hammer and Vanilla Ice that brought those kids in to hip hop.
As for why I listen to hip hop; well I don't listen to too much anymore; very little actually. When I did I was younger and I found NWA, Snoop, and DPG to be very funny, and the comedy aspect was what brought me in. I appreciated Tupac for his poetic lyricism and incredible recording voice. I never listened to any music to become empowered, I had Jesus for that and he's a little better than Pac or Nas. Dear Mama was the closest hip hop song that made me emotional, but no where near as emotional as Bruce Springsteen's 41 Shots (it's a song about a young black kid, Charles, in New York who was gunned down by police. He had no weapon but was shot 41 times because they thought he was carrying something). Bruce sang it live in New York right in front of the police department who were honorary guests at the concert. Bruce didn't directly point the finger but it was more than implied. It was more a sad song than a hate song, but you could feel the anger in Bruce's voice; very touching.
Now let me give you a little insight on my ancestry, Lost Angel this somewhat responds to you as well. I am of Greek descent. My ancestors from about 500-300 BC were the center of the western world. They flourished, learned, and expanded. Greece was not one nation until Alexander united the city states and made it his goal to spread the Greek way of living. He went in Egypt which was war torn, united it and became Pharaoh, he went west and north spreading Greece to North West Africa and south East Asia. After his death his kingdom was split, and another force began to emerge. Rome was next in line to conquer. Greece was quickly decimated, and everywhere but Egypt was now over taken by Rome. (The last phase of Egypt actually was very Greek. Cleopatra was a Greek woman and a direct descendant of Ptolemy, one of Alexander's general). Any way, when Rome conquered Greece they pretty much took everything; the language, the religion, the math, the science, and changed what the Greeks called themselves. A Greek before Rome was called "elinas" or Hellenic. The word Greek or Greco is derogatory, like Nigger. No where in the history of Greece did Greeks ever refer to themselves as Greeks. Until years later when they just accepted the word as the universal term for them, and now a days they don't even realize it was once an insult.
Greece continued enslaved under Roman rule until Rome crumbled and the Frankish Kings took over. Eastern Rome continued to stay active and ran Greece. The rise of Christianity lead to more Greeks being granted freedom from slavery. Until about 1450 when the Muslim Ottoman Empire took over Rome and Greece. Greece was now enslaved again, by the Turks this time. They were forced to convert or remain as slaves. They chose slavery, something most other countries did not. All those black African countries were now always Muslim by choice; many were forced into it by the Muslim army. The Greeks decided to keep their Christian beliefs even though the Muslim and Turkish teachings were taught to children in school. (Imagine the white supremacists taking black children from the fields and putting them in school, only to teach them that black is inferior, and should be enslaved). The Greeks had to maintain the culture through underground methods. Schools and churches were privately built in basements of buildings, stores, and houses. For 400 years they maintained this, while slowly building an army to revolt. The day finally came in the 1800s. Greece fought back and drove Turkey out. Unfortunately for the other enslaved countries like Armenia who didn't have the strong revolt Greece had, Turkey took their frustrations out on them; keeping them in strong slavery, and in the early 1900s, actually performing a holocaust or genocide on Armenia.
After the revolution, Greece was finally a country again with a King; something that hadn't been in Greece for over 2000 years. However, the Greek people did not want a king, they wanted a democracy like Greece was meant to have and a civil War broke out, eventually leading to the return of democracy in Greece, where the term was coined and the notion most likely invented.
Greeks today have this immense sense of pride for overcoming the odds and striving. They too frown upon interracial union. When I grew up it was almost forced upon me to have Greek friends and find Greek girls, and celebrated when I did. I don't care what kind of girl I marry or what kind of friends I have, but I do understand what it's like to live in a community that where you are supposed to stick with your own. I don't just mean white. If I brought home French, German, or Italian, it wouldn't be any different than bringing home a black or Hispanic, and bring home Turk is out of the question. However if I were to fall in love with a Turkish girl, I wouldn't cast her away because a tight knit community would shun me. I'd just move away and start my life. More importantly I WOULD NEVER MAKE A SONG INSULTING THOSE GREEKS THAT CHOOSE MATES OUTSIDE THE GREEK CULTURE, AND ACCUSE THEM OF BEING LESS GREEK. I don't consider myself a Greek, I'm a human being who lives in Canada, and has parents who lived and grew up in Greece. That's as far as I choose to take it.
Please don't say I don't understand from both sides. I'm not white like you think I am. Blacks see me as white, whites see me as Greek, and Nazis, if they had won, would class me as Mediterranean and would have me enslaved (because I'm inferior to Aryans). During World War 2 a German was found dead in Greece and the German army went from town to town, in the area the man was found, lining all the Greek men up and killing them, just to make statement.
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Tiger Woods doesn't owe anyone shit. It was the foolish ignorant racist pride of the African Americans that caused them to embrace him.
Are you serious? Being proud of being black, even though for years we have been told we were inferior and ignorant makes us racist?
Wow.
Damn straight I'm proud of being black. My heritage, what my ancestors have accomplishments despite overwhelming odds makes me proud.
How does me or any other black person being proud of our heritage makes us racist? You obviously have no idea what racism is. I really hope you're not this stupid.
Let me ask you a question. Why do you listen to hip hop? What do you get out of it? Do you feel it, I mean really feel what's being expressed by hip hop artists, I mean the artists the are actually speaking on some real shit?
A whole bunch of black kids and community leaders embraced him just because he was black. How is that not racist? I would say it's like white kids who only started listening to hip hop because if Em, but it was Hammer and Vanilla Ice that brought those kids in to hip hop.
The reason the black community and the kids embraced Tiger is simple, but maybe not for you since you're not a part of the black community. It's not often that Blacks are portrayed in a positive way on TV unless you play basketball, music, football, or runnin from one time. When Tiger came out playin tennis and winnin, it was something new for us. There is nothing racist about that, just as there is nothing racist about someone listening to eminem and becoming a fan of hip hop. Black kids in the hood never heard of a black man playin tennis, I know i sure in the hell didn't.Oh yea, dont act like Tiger didn't want us to embrace him. If you remember when he first came out he used to always have his dad, who is black as day, with him doin most of his talking, and it seemed like it was to get Tiger a black pass. That nigga was real, and made alot of comments about Tiger being an influence on the black community.
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Tiger Woods doesn't owe anyone shit. It was the foolish ignorant racist pride of the African Americans that caused them to embrace him.
Are you serious? Being proud of being black, even though for years we have been told we were inferior and ignorant makes us racist?
Wow.
Damn straight I'm proud of being black. My heritage, what my ancestors have accomplishments despite overwhelming odds makes me proud.
How does me or any other black person being proud of our heritage makes us racist? You obviously have no idea what racism is. I really hope you're not this stupid.
Let me ask you a question. Why do you listen to hip hop? What do you get out of it? Do you feel it, I mean really feel what's being expressed by hip hop artists, I mean the artists the are actually speaking on some real shit?
A whole bunch of black kids and community leaders embraced him just because he was black. How is that not racist? I would say it's like white kids who only started listening to hip hop because if Em, but it was Hammer and Vanilla Ice that brought those kids in to hip hop.
The reason the black community and the kids embraced Tiger is simple, but maybe not for you since you're not a part of the black community. It's not often that Blacks are portrayed in a positive way on TV unless you play basketball, music, football, or runnin from one time. When Tiger came out playin tennis and winnin, it was something new for us. There is nothing racist about that, just as there is nothing racist about someone listening to eminem and becoming a fan of hip hop. Black kids in the hood never heard of a black man playin tennis, I know i sure in the hell didn't.Oh yea, dont act like Tiger didn't want us to embrace him. If you remember when he first came out he used to always have his dad, who is black as day, with him doin most of his talking, and it seemed like it was to get Tiger a black pass. That nigga was real, and made alot of comments about Tiger being an influence on the black community.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's nice to know the difference he made in making making you aware of Tennis, SINCE HE PLAYS GOLF! You're telling me it isn't racist and you don't even get the sport right. I don't have a problem with people who became aware of golf and now apreciate it. It's the ones that like Tiger and praise him but don't really care for the sport, or in your case don't even know what sport he plays. It's like a white guy praising Eminem and calling him the greatest rapper alive but not listening to any other hip hop. To hate some one who is a certain race is racism. To favour someone who is a certain race is also racism. I'd understand black kids being better exposed to golf because of Tiger and I'm fine with that, but it's the ones that really don't care for the sport but still praise him just because he's black that bother me. This has the possibilty to lead to other things that can cause evil. Like all the hicks (I'm specifically talking about the ones that voted for Bush and didn't study the policies). They live in the south and love Bush for who he is but don't give a shit about his policies or what he does. These are the same people that would vote for him even if he and Kerry switched policies. Who's to say the same won't happen with blacks if a black President emerges and does bad things but gets black support just because he's black. That is why I'm against it; for the sake of the principle. If you like Golf and Tiger was the reason you were exposed to it, then great. If you hate Golf but you love Tiger just because he's black and there are many like that then I worry about the future, because this could lead to much worse things. It's like those who have no problem voting against gay marriage because St. Paul called it evil. This can turn into people voting to ban homosexuality and make it a crime. Then we have all these gays in jail just because they are gay. On a personal level the homo stuff is disgusting, but it is not my place to tell them what they can and can't do, so long as no one is getting hurt.
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Nas is a bitch, Shallow is not too far off. I mean seriously, what the fuck?
Imagine a white man telling some other white dude that he's a sell-out cause he helps poor black africans in africa or something, lol... retards.
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Just drop it for christ sake.
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Just drop it for christ sake.
Thank you! These guys are mad cuz Nas can make derogatory comments towards Blacks and they can't.
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Just drop it for christ sake.
Thank you! These guys are mad cuz Nas can make derogatory comments towards Blacks and they can't.
LMAO. If Nas dissed dudes for hanging around with latinos, eating latino food, fucking latinas, doing latino sports, etc.. would you take it as a pure diss against those black dudes, or also as a diss to latino culture and latinos as such?
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Just drop it for christ sake.
Thank you! These guys are mad cuz Nas can make derogatory comments towards Blacks and they can't.
The more and more this thread goes on, the more it seems like that.
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Just drop it for christ sake.
Thank you! These guys are mad cuz Nas can make derogatory comments towards Blacks and they can't.
Are you even reading my posts? This has nothing to do with "why can black people make fun of blacks but I can't?". I don't make derogatory remarks towards anyone (friendly jokes don't count, since they are not meant to be taken seriously), because it's wrong and it bothers people. This has nothing to do with fear or wishing that I could. I personally don't think anything of it when I here ignorant people of any race making racist remarks. My only problem has always been the fact that Nas claims to be above such trivial methods, but he doesn't follow up on it.
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Just drop it for christ sake.
Thank you! These guys are mad cuz Nas can make derogatory comments towards Blacks and they can't.
The more and more this thread goes on, the more it seems like that.
Co-Sign and I got good credit.
Nas would never diss Blacks for hanging with Latinos because we go through the same struggle. Sorry...
Just drop it. Neither of you are making a point, just making yourselves look disgruntled.
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Just drop it for christ sake.
Thank you! These guys are mad cuz Nas can make derogatory comments towards Blacks and they can't.
The more and more this thread goes on, the more it seems like that.
Nas would never diss Blacks for hanging with Latinos because we go through the same struggle. Sorry...
That's beyond the point. With that comment you admit that you actually would see it as a diss to your culture and race and people, therefore you should apologize for accusing me of being mad cause I can't diss blacks like Nas can. End of story.
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i can only dream on what woulda been said ..if he woulda jus made "cracka picnic"
lol
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i can only dream on what woulda been said ..if he woulda jus made "cracka picnic"
lol
I probably would have laughed it off, because it would have beeen universally accepted as racist. The way it is now, it isn't seen as racist because he is black. If a white guy recorded the exact same song or said the exact same thoughts on TV, none of the guys defending Nas on this forum would be defending the white guy that said the same thing.
And since everyone else would have blasted the white guy, I wouldn't have anything to say that wasn't already said. I wouldn't care about Nas bashing whites because I would see it as pure ignorance. What he says now I think he believes is good for blacks, or some shit like that.
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i can only dream on what woulda been said ..if he woulda jus made "cracka picnic"
lol
I probably would have laughed it off, because it would have beeen universally accepted as racist. The way it is now, it isn't seen as racist because he is black. If a white guy recorded the exact same song or said the exact same thoughts on TV, none of the guys defending Nas on this forum would be defending the white guy that said the same thing.
And since everyone else would have blasted the white guy, I wouldn't have anything to say that wasn't already said. I wouldn't care about Nas bashing whites because I would see it as pure ignorance. What he says now I think he believes is good for blacks, or some shit like that.
Ya.. I wouldnt even bother to call Lench Mob racist, cause everyone knows that they are.
What's more dangerous and off-pissing to me are Rappers like Ras Kass with songs like Nature of the Threat, who have truly racist sentiments and are considered smart and depicted as good lyricists with knowledge. That's a true problem when people respect songs like this one, and/or even think that he's spitting accurate, true facts.
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Just don't listen to it. It will save you all a lot of trouble.
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That's beyond the point. With that comment you admit that you actually would see it as a diss to your culture and race and people, therefore you should apologize for accusing me of being mad cause I can't diss blacks like Nas can. End of story.
No. It's not beyond the point. The fact is, Latinos and Blacks are virtually one in the same, so it's not realistic. Sorry. You're mad you can't say what you want about Blacks, why Nas, a Black man, can. Live with it.
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That's beyond the point. With that comment you admit that you actually would see it as a diss to your culture and race and people, therefore you should apologize for accusing me of being mad cause I can't diss blacks like Nas can. End of story.
No. It's not beyond the point. The fact is, Latinos and Blacks are virtually one in the same, so it's not realistic. Sorry. You're mad you can't say what you want about Blacks, why Nas, a Black man, can. Live with it.
Aren't latinos direct descendants of the people that first started bringing over black slaves?
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That's beyond the point. With that comment you admit that you actually would see it as a diss to your culture and race and people, therefore you should apologize for accusing me of being mad cause I can't diss blacks like Nas can. End of story.
No. It's not beyond the point. The fact is, Latinos and Blacks are virtually one in the same, so it's not realistic. Sorry. You're mad you can't say what you want about Blacks, why Nas, a Black man, can. Live with it.
Aren't latinos direct descendants of the people that first started bringing over black slaves?
actually latinos are brown people, descendants of the people who got their land jacked by Europeans. If you turn on Spanish tv, it's all white not as a reflection that white people live in Mexico or Central or South America, because that's not true, it's a reflection that white people rule basically all of Latin America, and the brown people that come to the US are often the brown people that can't get a job or make any money to support their families in Latin America. In the end, it's the same struggle against a common person that always seems to be on top.
But on the real, this thread needs to be locked, because no one seems to understand where the black/brown opinion is in all this. This thread is basically angry white men, mad at comments Nas made that were intented to be controversal. That song was made for this reason, and they feel right into it, I tried to explain it all in a very nice way, actually using what I know as a minority, and expressing it with my college education. I even took my time to spell words right. And it's still the same. This proves you can't explain the minority point of view to white people, because it's too hard for them to think of life in any other way than from their own view. Where as a minority can think in both sides, because we live as minorities, but it's a white man's world, and we have to learn to live in a white man's world and be successful. This topic should not continue, because it's getting no where because it's impossible to explain to people that can't understand. It's like speaking Japanese to a man that's lived in a small village in Mexico his whole life and knows nothing but Spanish. This topic should not continue any further.
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Shallow, all you have demonstrated here is that Nas didn't get his facts straight at times, whoopdy fuckin doo. You have failed to demonstrate however that he is racist. Why did he diss Kobe, OJ and Tiger? It's obvious but apparently yall don't see it, let me break it down for you.
Kobe: Gets in trouble in Colorado, then tried to snitch on Shaq to get himself out of it, then proceeds to destroy the Laker franchise in the process.
Tiger: Gets props in golf, embraced by the black community but calls himself "caliblasion" or whatever that was, which was pretty much a fuck you to those who supported him. It's not like the white golfers accepted him, they were making fried chicken and watermelon jokes about him.
OJ: Ditched his black wife for his white trophy wife, forgets that he's black, kills his trophy wife and tries to run home, hires Johnny Cochran to play the race card, black community supports him, after all he's one of us right? Right....
That's why Nas dissed these fools. Them having white wives is immaterial, shit I've messed with white girls myself. It's their behavior that he along with other black folks find repulsive. That's why he called them out.
It has nothing to do with how they act specifically or being articulate or any of those kind of issues that others brought up. It has to do with their behavior period. If you watched the movie Bamboozled, the whole premise of the movie was the critique of the new millenium minstrel show, which is basically where black actors, entertainers or rappers debase themselves by playing upon fucked up stereotypes in order to sell records or to make it big in movies. We have this in hiphop, we have this in acting. A lot of black folks have a problem with this due to the fact that we as a people are judged by the worst among us, by the shucking and jiving negro that will appear on movies like Soul Plane, trying to get that extra buck from massa. That's what Nas is talking about here.
Word! Word is Bond! Excellent explanation, case closed.
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That's beyond the point. With that comment you admit that you actually would see it as a diss to your culture and race and people, therefore you should apologize for accusing me of being mad cause I can't diss blacks like Nas can. End of story.
No. It's not beyond the point. The fact is, Latinos and Blacks are virtually one in the same, so it's not realistic. Sorry. You're mad you can't say what you want about Blacks, why Nas, a Black man, can. Live with it.
Aren't latinos direct descendants of the people that first started bringing over black slaves?
actually latinos are brown people, descendants of the people who got their land jacked by Europeans. If you turn on Spanish tv, it's all white not as a reflection that white people live in Mexico or Central or South America, because that's not true, it's a reflection that white people rule basically all of Latin America, and the brown people that come to the US are often the brown people that can't get a job or make any money to support their families in Latin America. In the end, it's the same struggle against a common person that always seems to be on top.
But on the real, this thread needs to be locked, because no one seems to understand where the black/brown opinion is in all this. This thread is basically angry white men, mad at comments Nas made that were intented to be controversal. That song was made for this reason, and they feel right into it, I tried to explain it all in a very nice way, actually using what I know as a minority, and expressing it with my college education. I even took my time to spell words right. And it's still the same. This proves you can't explain the minority point of view to white people, because it's too hard for them to think of life in any other way than from their own view. Where as a minority can think in both sides, because we live as minorities, but it's a white man's world, and we have to learn to live in a white man's world and be successful. This topic should not continue, because it's getting no where because it's impossible to explain to people that can't understand. It's like speaking Japanese to a man that's lived in a small village in Mexico his whole life and knows nothing but Spanish. This topic should not continue any further.
Did you read my post prior to this one? The one where I break down my ancestory.
And Latinos are not full mayan of aztec. They are just as much spanish. Spain was conquered by Muslim for centuries. Many parts of Spain has brown people as well.
I am not an angry white guy getting mad at Nas because of this song or because he's black. If Eminem came out and did a song about how all whites feel guilty about their role in slavery and try to be black to feel better, then I'd stand against that as well.
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Let me think, there are whole different country of people, I mean, millions of millions of millions of people. In Latin American, Brazil is bigger than the main part of the U.S. homie, and it was fulled with natives, Mexico, Central America, Peru, Chile, all these different countries. And there was only a few countries in Europe that took over, in fact in Latin America, two, Spain, and Portigual. Spain does not, did not and will never have enough people to dilute the blood of all the Americas. Have you ever been to Latin America. What you have is a bunch of poor brown people, I mean many many brown people. And yes, just like blacks here, they have some white because like blacks, they're great great grandma's were raped, married off at young ages, or just down right taken from their families. Also is Latin America, there are more black people than in the U.S. In Brazil, they had more slaves in Brazil that the United States by the millions. Many African slaves mixed with the natives, in fact more than the whites. Why you think many baseball players from Latin America look black. To say we didn't come from a struggle is one of the most retarted statements ever. But I understand you are not educated to Latin struggle, to black struggle. You still see things in your eyes, and how it should be. And you use a very classic way of getting the minorities off your back, and that's to tell each minority their problems with each other, and why they should hate each other. It's a classic move that white pull all the time. You may not know it, but I guess since I'm a minority, i have seen it many times. Try again.
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That's beyond the point. With that comment you admit that you actually would see it as a diss to your culture and race and people, therefore you should apologize for accusing me of being mad cause I can't diss blacks like Nas can. End of story.
No. It's not beyond the point. The fact is, Latinos and Blacks are virtually one in the same, so it's not realistic. Sorry. You're mad you can't say what you want about Blacks, why Nas, a Black man, can. Live with it.
It's not about realistic or not headnut. I just want to explain to you why Nas is a dick to me, which I did. If he disses blacks for acting white basically, I see it as a diss to my people as well. Like you would too, no matter how realistic Nas dissing blacks for acting latino is. Which makes your accusation wrong and my explanation valid and understandable.
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he didn't diss them for acting white. in fact, he gave props to blacks that are educated though out his whole career. It's marrying white, which is something that's roots are too deep. It's a whole image and self hate issue more than it's just marriage. I know it's hard coming from Germany to hear about America's racial problems, especially when we like to sell we have non, and use people like Collin Powell and Candi Rice as examples that our problems don't exsit. But the fact is they do.
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Let me think, there are whole different country of people, I mean, millions of millions of millions of people. In Latin American, Brazil is bigger than the main part of the U.S. homie, and it was fulled with natives, Mexico, Central America, Peru, Chile, all these different countries. And there was only a few countries in Europe that took over, in fact in Latin America, two, Spain, and Portigual. Spain does not, did not and will never have enough people to dilute the blood of all the Americas. Have you ever been to Latin America. What you have is a bunch of poor brown people, I mean many many brown people. And yes, just like blacks here, they have some white because like blacks, they're great great grandma's were raped, married off at young ages, or just down right taken from their families. Also is Latin America, there are more black people than in the U.S. In Brazil, they had more slaves in Brazil that the United States by the millions. Many African slaves mixed with the natives, in fact more than the whites. Why you think many baseball players from Latin America look black. To say we didn't come from a struggle is one of the most retarted statements ever. But I understand you are not educated to Latin struggle, to black struggle. You still see things in your eyes, and how it should be. And you use a very classic way of getting the minorities off your back, and that's to tell each minority their problems with each other, and why they should hate each other. It's a classic move that white pull all the time. You may not know it, but I guess since I'm a minority, i have seen it many times. Try again.
I was referring more to Mexico rather than South America, and like I said in my prior post, if you read it, Greece had just as much struggle as any Latino country and for a much longer time.
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Greeks, Jews, Irish, Italians, they all have struggled, and get along great with minority communities. But this is not about what you are thinking. As I've stated, over and over and over and over again, it's self image and self hate. How darker people view themselves, and how we hate what we see. We see a society that tells us white skin, blue eyes and blond hair is hot. There are very few black models, and just a little bit more latina models than black. Our societies image of what's beautiful is Britney Spears, Jessica Simpson and if they are a different race, then they have to be light like a Christina Aguilera. That's the issue, the issue of our men going to different races because that's what they are told is beauty, not a beautiful black woman or latina, but a blond hair, blue eyed woman. Also, since it's taboo, white women go for darker men. And our women are left being the worst objectified women in the country by their own men, as our men run credit cards up there ass, or spank them with stop signs. Our women are not shown as beautiful, but as slutty, trashy. In order to be a beautiful latina, or black, you have to show skin, shake your ass, have a big ass that you are willing to hang out. It's not ok to just wear a beautiful dress to an award show, our women have to slut themselves. That's the issue, I can write more, and I mean a lot more, as this is just part of the issue. Yes, Greeks, Irish, Italians, Jews, they've struggled, but the interracial dating thing is not just about struggle, it's self image and self hate, and how we hate ourselves because we can't be white.
And for your comment on Mexico, go to Mexico, very few rich white people, millions of poor brown people. And yes, there was some intermixing, that's because we have the same issue, if a woman can be pretty enough, she'll get a white man, if a man makes it, he gets a white woman. In latin culture, more so that black culture, we thrive to be white. Because white's are higher class, they have more money, they are seen as more attractive, we don't care about our struggle, because we don't know we are in one. We are in a struggle trying to be white, because we hate ourself. We hate having dark skin because it means we are poor, we hate that we aren't from Europe, because it mean we came from savages, we hate our dark hair, our dark eyes and anything else that's part of us, because it makes it harder to fit a European image. You don't understand it, because you can't. You never grew up with girls that will turn you down, and straight up say, because you are too dark. I'm talking about my own Mexicans. I am talking about more than once. It makes you want to have lighter skin, because if you had lighter skin, you can date the girls you want. And our girls are raised to find white men, our men are raised that lighter girls are better. We are in a struggle to be light. We can't understand what it's like to be raised in a culture that hate's it's own self. You'll never understand it.
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Honestly, I think you guys are taking this way too seriously...it's just a song..let it go
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Just don't listen to it. It will save you all a lot of trouble.
The man speaks the truth.
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Wow, I had no idea you had all these personal issues. Allow me to try and ease your pain and give you another perspective that maybe you can try and spread in your neighborhood. I'm not trying to say you can change society but change has happenned before and it has to start somewhere. You never know.
Greeks, Jews, Irish, Italians, they all have struggled, and get along great with minority communities. But this is not about what you are thinking. As I've stated, over and over and over and over again, it's self image and self hate. How darker people view themselves, and how we hate what we see. We see a society that tells us white skin, blue eyes and blond hair is hot.
I'll admit that I don't come from a culture that is based on self hate, but there are Jews that go through that because of the accusations made against them. I assume it isn't easy being Polish, with all the jokes and all. Blue eyes and blond hair is hardly common for whites. Besides for you a little whiter may be seen as better, but for us a little darker is better. Look at all the whites that tan, or frown upon really pale girls.
There are very few black models, and just a little bit more Latina models than black. Our societies image of what's beautiful is Britney Spears, Jessica Simpson and if they are a different race, then they have to be light like a Christina Aguilera. That's the issue, the issue of our men going to different races because that's what they are told is beauty, not a beautiful black woman or Latina, but a blond hair, blue eyed woman. Also, since it's taboo, white women go for darker men. And our women are left being the worst objectified women in the country by their own men, as our men run credit cards up there ass, or spank them with stop signs. Our women are not shown as beautiful, but as slutty, trashy. In order to be a beautiful Latina, or black, you have to show skin, shake your ass, have a big ass that you are willing to hang out. It's not ok to just wear a beautiful dress to an award show, our women have to slut themselves. That's the issue, I can write more, and I mean a lot more, as this is just part of the issue.
I'm going to have to disagree with this. Women in general are objectified. Britney Spears? C'mon man if you think she doesn't slut it up then you're fooling yourself. Jessica Simpson doesn't exactly where coveralls either. Look at Jennifer Lopez, who isn't white Latina by any means and she is viewed as a beautiful woman, and hardly sluts it up anymore than the other white beautiful women. Whitney Houston never had to get naked or objectify herself. Aretha Franklin wasn't exactly the type of woman you'd expect to be in the forefront, but she was always treated with class and respect. She was dark and overweight. Halle Berry was seen as the most beautiful woman in the world well before she showed any skin.
Oh and you wanna see objectifying? Go watch an 80s Hair Metal video and see all the white girls slut it up for David Lee Roth, Poison, Motley Crue. It just so happens that rap is the scene now and I'm assuming the rappers choose what kind of girls they want to show, because when the metal guys did it a black girl was rare in their videos, and the girls in those videos were just as disrespected as they are now.
Yes, Greeks, Irish, Italians, Jews, they've struggled, but the interracial dating thing is not just about struggle, it's self image and self hate, and how we hate ourselves because we can't be white.
Go to the Greek Islands and take a look at the average skin complexion. You'll find that they're actually rather dark. Not too dark obviously but some are as dark and darker than Derek Jeter. Anyway, it may not be about self hate but it is still prejudice when Greeks or Jews or Italians frown upon mixed breeding.
And for your comment on Mexico, go to Mexico, very few rich white people, millions of poor brown people. And yes, there was some intermixing, that's because we have the same issue, if a woman can be pretty enough, she'll get a white man, if a man makes it, he gets a white woman. In Latin culture, more so that black culture, we thrive to be white. Because white's are higher class, they have more money, they are seen as more attractive, we don't care about our struggle, because we don't know we are in one. We are in a struggle trying to be white, because we hate ourself. We hate having dark skin because it means we are poor, we hate that we aren't from Europe, because it mean we came from savages, we hate our dark hair, our dark eyes and anything else that's part of us, because it makes it harder to fit a European image. You don't understand it, because you can't.
I think you should take your Mexican friends to Flint Michigan, Asbury Park New Jersey, or about 1000 other loser towns in the states, and see what normal white people live like. The well to do Americans are about 2% of Americans. There are more poor whites in the USA than there are poor blacks and Latinos combined. Total blacks and Latinos make up less than 30% of Americans, so the poor black and Latino obviously make up less than 30%. I'd bet at least 50% of white Americans are around or below the poverty line, maybe 40% above the poverty line and 8% live pretty good. This leaves the 2% to strive as rich folks do. White people are about 70% of the country. Go to the rest of the white world and you'll see the same thing. That European image you find so hard to achieve is just as hard for the average white guy to achieve. Trust me on this.
You never grew up with girls that will turn you down, and straight up say, because you are too dark. I'm talking about my own Mexicans. I am talking about more than once. It makes you want to have lighter skin, because if you had lighter skin, you can date the girls you want. And our girls are raised to find white men, our men are raised that lighter girls are better. We are in a struggle to be light. We can't understand what it's like to be raised in a culture that hate's it's own self. You'll never understand it.
I did not grow up around girls that would turn away because I was too dark. I grew up around girls that would turn away because I was too light, or white. I grew up in a predominantly black area. The blacks girls didn't want the white kid from around the corner and the white girls wanted the cool black guys. The Greek girls were told their whole lives to stay away from black guys. This lead to them finding black guys very desirable. I was the guy that would show up at the door to pick them up so their parents knew thought they were going out with a nice Greek boy. Then they run off with the black guys. It didn't bother me though since I did it more for my black friends and I personally was against going with girls in my area, simply because I don't want to run into girls when I don't want to see them. However I had a couple white and Greek friends that would get really pissed off and wish they were black. So it does work both ways.
Most of the black girls here don't really go for white guys. The ones that mature past the street phase end up with more mature educated sophisticated men, but usually black men.
Let me end this by saying I feel bad that Latino societies actually look up to the mess that is white European society. If they only knew how few whites actually succeed in life and become rich. My advice to you is to find a girl you want to be with and any girl that discounts a guy for how light or dark skin is isn't one worth marrying or being with. I guess I was lucky growing up in such a multicultural city where we see so many faults and assets of so many races that we realize what equality is with out needing to be told.
LOL I can't believe this all started because of what Nas said about black men selling out. The last few posts have nothing to do with that.
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my fingers constantly smell like cinamon
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It's not about realistic or not headnut. I just want to explain to you why Nas is a dick to me, which I did. If he disses blacks for acting white basically, I see it as a diss to my people as well. Like you would too, no matter how realistic Nas dissing blacks for acting latino is. Which makes your accusation wrong and my explanation valid and understandable.
My assumption: You're disgruntled because Nas can make comments towards Blacks, without being considered racist, while you can. True? Yes.
Your assumption: That I'd be upset if Nas downed Blacks for acting Latinos. True? No.
Blacks in New York, the Bay, Miami, Houston etc. all act similar to Latinos and vice versa. There is no problem with them acting like each other. NOW! If Latinos enslaved Blacks, like Whites did, it would be a different story. But, since the shoe isn't on the other foot, your "analogy" is lame, unrealistic and pointless.
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lol this shit is never gonna end
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It's not about realistic or not headnut. I just want to explain to you why Nas is a dick to me, which I did. If he disses blacks for acting white basically, I see it as a diss to my people as well. Like you would too, no matter how realistic Nas dissing blacks for acting latino is. Which makes your accusation wrong and my explanation valid and understandable.
My assumption: You're disgruntled because Nas can make comments towards Blacks, without being considered racist, while you can. True? Yes.
Your assumption: That I'd be upset if Nas downed Blacks for acting Latinos. True? No.
Blacks in New York, the Bay, Miami, Houston etc. all act similar to Latinos and vice versa. There is no problem with them acting like each other. NOW! If Latinos enslaved Blacks, like Whites did, it would be a different story. But, since the shoe isn't on the other foot, your "analogy" is lame, unrealistic and pointless.
In fact, Latinos play a big role when it comes to enslaving blacks. Apart from that, you do your best to miss the whole point. Either you're severly dumb, or you just can't stand being owned.
Therefore, I try my best to make it extra simple for you.
If person A disses person B for acting like I do, I'm offended. Because it implies, that acting like I do sucks, and that I suck, in consequence. Got it finally, for christ's sake?
So you wouldnt be offended at all, if Nas said "Fuck all blacks who eat latino food and fuck latinas"? I doubt it. I really really doubt it.
And fuck you for keep telling me why I am mad. I guess Im more able to tell people why I'm mad, and I do it for the whole thread long, and you still didnt get it.
Also, I can criticize blacks, so why would I be mad that I can't and Nas can when I actually can? I do it all the time. Because race is no issue to me. For instance, I just criticized Nas, who's black. Then, yesterday or so, I criticized Kobe, who's black. I also said Cam'Ron is retarded, who's also black. Lol.
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Latinos had nothing to do with enslaving blacks. The SPANISH did, but not Latinos. Um...Owned.
"Just like the spanish exterminating Tainos/Raping the Black and Indian women, creating Latinos" As you can see, LATINOS had nothing to do with slavery, in fact, most Latinos have Black ancestry, so why would Blacks diss Blacks for acting Latino when some come from the same vein? Ouch. Really "owned" there.
If Nas said "Fuck Latinas" I'd laugh. I don't care...Why should I? That means more Latinas for me. He wouldn't say it though, because we're similar. If he said "Fuck Blacks who act Spanish" that would be more realistic, which I still wouldn't care about because I don't associate with the Spanish. Owned...
Again, moron, you're mad because Nas makes negative comments towards Blacks and is NOT considered, but when you do it, you ARE considered racist. Owned...
Had you just stopped earlier, you wouldn't look so dumb. Closet racist....
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Latinos had nothing to do with enslaving blacks. The SPANISH did, but not Latinos. Um...Owned.
"Just like the spanish exterminating Tainos/Raping the Black and Indian women, creating Latinos" As you can see, LATINOS had nothing to do with slavery, in fact, most Latinos have Black ancestry, so why would Blacks diss Blacks for acting Latino when some come from the same vein? Ouch. Really "owned" there.
If Nas said "Fuck Latinas" I'd laugh. I don't care...Why should I? That means more Latinas for me. He wouldn't say it though, because we're similar. If he said "Fuck Blacks who act Spanish" that would be more realistic, which I still wouldn't care about because I don't associate with the Spanish. Owned...
Again, moron, you're mad because Nas makes negative comments towards Blacks and is NOT considered, but when you do it, you ARE considered racist. Owned...
Had you just stopped earlier, you wouldn't look so dumb. Closet racist....
I love how you base your knowlegde of world history on lines by rappers. Real smart. Go read a fucking book. Just to clarify for you, all those light skinned latinos are very much at least half spanish. You see when Spain and America fought, the US won. If Spain won and continued to attack the US, we'd have seen an entirely different USA, or whatever it would be called. Latinos would be fill up the upper middle class, while Blacks would have been right back at the bottom. It just so happens that the whites won the battle of colonialism years before. Spain and Portugal were very prosperous inthe beginning, and portugese are just as dark as the average latino. They are reffered to as hispanic for a reason.
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I meant the Mexican American War, not the Spanish American War, change the first Spain parts to Mexico. And if you look at the head Mexicans in that day, they were just white as Spaniards.
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I love how you base your knowlegde of world history on lines by rappers. Real smart. Go read a fucking book. Just to clarify for you, all those light skinned latinos are very much at least half spanish. You see when Spain and America fought, the US won. If Spain won and continued to attack the US, we'd have seen an entirely different USA, or whatever it would be called. Latinos would be fill up the upper middle class, while Blacks would have been right back at the bottom. It just so happens that the whites won the battle of colonialism years before. Spain and Portugal were very prosperous inthe beginning, and portugese are just as dark as the average latino. They are reffered to as hispanic for a reason.
Since I didn't have a book in front of me, it would've been hard to quote one, right? Just to clarify for YOU, the light skinned Latinos you see here are NOT accepted by the Spanish. Someone like me or Fat Joe or Pitbull are looked upon as trash by the Spanish, hence why we never associate with them. The Spanish filled the upper middle class, the Latinos stayed with the Blacks. So you're not saying nothing...
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I love how you base your knowlegde of world history on lines by rappers. Real smart. Go read a fucking book. Just to clarify for you, all those light skinned latinos are very much at least half spanish. You see when Spain and America fought, the US won. If Spain won and continued to attack the US, we'd have seen an entirely different USA, or whatever it would be called. Latinos would be fill up the upper middle class, while Blacks would have been right back at the bottom. It just so happens that the whites won the battle of colonialism years before. Spain and Portugal were very prosperous inthe beginning, and portugese are just as dark as the average latino. They are reffered to as hispanic for a reason.
Since I didn't have a book in front of me, it would've been hard to quote one, right? Just to clarify for YOU, the light skinned Latinos you see here are NOT accepted by the Spanish. Someone like me or Fat Joe or Pitbull are looked upon as trash by the Spanish, hence why we never associate with them. The Spanish filled the upper middle class, the Latinos stayed with the Blacks. So you're not saying nothing...
Just like whites in Mobile Alabama are seen as lower level humans by whites in Greenwhich. That doesnm't mean you'd be seen as lower than blacks to the Spaniards. Let's be realistic here place, there aren't enough Spaniards to to globalize the entire States or even the colonies they had. The very few would be placed at the top, while the rest would have to be Latino. If Mexicans won the War with US, they would have taken over just about all of the deep south and west. Texas to California for sure and maybe Florida and surrounding areas and the Whites would have stayed North. All slave owners would have been taken down or fled, they hardly could have taken all their slaves, and the slave owners that were killed would have had all these slaves left over. What do you think the Mexicans would have done with theses slaves? Put them in university and give them good jobs? All black slaves left over would have been thrown to the bottom of society. The light Mexicans would be at the top, the brown in the middle and upper middle, and the blacks at the bottom. So please don't think that Latinos and Blacks are in the same boat, because they aren't. You may be pushed down by the rich whites in America, but a black population in Mexico would be just as pushed down by the Mestizos. The Amerindians would still be on their own. Also don't think the Spanish were as white as you'd think. Remember that Muslims had conquered Spain for 700 years. Quite a lot of mix breeding can go on in that time. Muslims can't enslave Muslims, but anyone who didn't convert, was forced to or tortured.
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Latinos had nothing to do with enslaving blacks. The SPANISH did, but not Latinos. Um...Owned.
"Just like the spanish exterminating Tainos/Raping the Black and Indian women, creating Latinos" As you can see, LATINOS had nothing to do with slavery, in fact, most Latinos have Black ancestry, so why would Blacks diss Blacks for acting Latino when some come from the same vein? Ouch. Really "owned" there.
If Nas said "Fuck Latinas" I'd laugh. I don't care...Why should I? That means more Latinas for me. He wouldn't say it though, because we're similar. If he said "Fuck Blacks who act Spanish" that would be more realistic, which I still wouldn't care about because I don't associate with the Spanish. Owned...
Again, moron, you're mad because Nas makes negative comments towards Blacks and is NOT considered, but when you do it, you ARE considered racist. Owned...
Had you just stopped earlier, you wouldn't look so dumb. Closet racist....
LoL.. *AGAIN* missing my whole point like a 5th grader and telling me *AGAIN* why blacks should love latinos and hate whites and telling me *AGAIN* that you think that I am mad cause Nas can diss blacks while I already proved you wrong in all these things, I can hardly believe you read my post.. LOL... You're worthless.
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Shallow: As a Latino who's had the unfortunate oppurtunity to be around a few Spaniards, I can tell you, they look at Mexicans, Hondurans, Salvaodreans, Guatemalans etc etc as trash. That's all that matters here. Whether we're lower than Blacks, to them, or not. That is beside the point. You two dudes are trying to justify your meaningless point by bringing up Latinos to me, but it's not doing anything but making both look dumb. What you wrote, that's just a huge what if. What if the Africans came over here on their own. What if Whites never existed. Blah blah blah. It's all a bunch of what if's man. I ain't trying to hear a what if. You don't know what the Mexicans would've done. For all you know, they would've freed the slaves.
7even: You've been owned. LOL @ You making a dumbass post, being called on it, and back peddling like a hoe.
This should end everything here. You two CANNOT say the comments that Nas said about Blacks, without looking racist, while Nas can. That frustrates you and now you've both got your panties tied in a bunch about it. You can't get everything in life, let this go. Nas has is opinions, you got yours, done deal.
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7even: You've been owned. LOL @ You making a dumbass post, being called on it, and back peddling like a hoe.
This should end everything here. You two CANNOT say the comments that Nas said about Blacks, without looking racist, while Nas can. That frustrates you and now you've both got your panties tied in a bunch about it. You can't get everything in life, let this go. Nas has is opinions, you got yours, done deal.
Do you have a tumor or something? How can you ignore my posts so extremely hard? Incredible. I explained you trice why Im mad, and you STILL say that Im mad for a different reason, like if it was a fact.
How can you repress the fact that I owned you, and keep telling yourself that you owned me? Unbelieveable. When someone says "Hey, Fuck you man, you're almost as much of a retarded piece of shit as SGV is!" - you won't be the slightest little bit offened? Have you seriously not gotten my point after like 5 different ways of explaining it?
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lol, man i aint even gon bother gettin deep into this but i gotta laugh at the way some of the whites be makin replies man.......nas be racist!?!?lol!
seems like nas got cats talkin
y'all neeed to pull ya skirts up
props to nas!
seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen
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Shallow: As a Latino who's had the unfortunate oppurtunity to be around a few Spaniards, I can tell you, they look at Mexicans, Hondurans, Salvaodreans, Guatemalans etc etc as trash. That's all that matters here. Whether we're lower than Blacks, to them, or not. That is beside the point. You two dudes are trying to justify your meaningless point by bringing up Latinos to me, but it's not doing anything but making both look dumb. What you wrote, that's just a huge what if. What if the Africans came over here on their own. What if Whites never existed. Blah blah blah. It's all a bunch of what if's man. I ain't trying to hear a what if. You don't know what the Mexicans would've done. For all you know, they would've freed the slaves.
7even: You've been owned. LOL @ You making a dumbass post, being called on it, and back peddling like a hoe.
This should end everything here. You two CANNOT say the comments that Nas said about Blacks, without looking racist, while Nas can. That frustrates you and now you've both got your panties tied in a bunch about it. You can't get everything in life, let this go. Nas has is opinions, you got yours, done deal.
And like I said, Spaniards looking down to Latinos is no diffferent than how Brits looked down on Americans, or how The North looked down te South. They believe they are above them and that's that.
I'm not tyring to imply a big what if, I'm trying to state that Latinos, who according to Lost Angel, look down upon darker skinned Latinos, would and probably do look down upon Blacks the same way.
I'm only going to say this once more to you, I do not care so much about the double standard that Nas can say something because he's black and I can't. If Eminem released the exact same song, and the people on this forum were defending him, I'd be against them just the same as I am Nas. I have no desire to insult or generalize blacks. I grew up in a black neighbourhood. At most 10% of my friends are white. 50% or 60% are black, and the rest are either Arab, or Asian.
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lol, man i aint even gon bother gettin deep into this but i gotta laugh at the way some of the whites be makin replies man.......nas be racist!?!?lol!
seems like nas got cats talkin
y'all neeed to pull ya skirts up
props to nas!
seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen
I don't even think we're really talking about Nas any more. He said nothing about Latinos. Also, I do not think Nas is a racist, but his remarks are racist. You can't doubt that. It is racist to say anyone is cooning, and it is wrong to assume things about anyone.
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7even: Because that's not why you're mad... You would've let it go a while ago, I'm sure. But you carry on about it. If it was something that simple, it would've been dropped. But, you now got a vendetta.
I'm not a hoe, I really don't care what someone says about me, especially a rapper that I've never met or will meet.
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"my revolution is born out of love for my people, not hatred for others"
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"my revolution is born out of love for my people, not hatred for others"
And if you read my post, that's what I'm talking about. I love my people, I wish things would change, I wish things like what Nas was talking about would not be an issue. But the fact is that it is. And what pisses me off is people like Shallow thinking he has all the answers. Well if you have the answers, become president of the NAACP, get on the mic, and get people to love themselves. The problem is not an easy on, and you should not assume that it is.
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"my revolution is born out of love for my people, not hatred for others"
And if you read my post, that's what I'm talking about. I love my people, I wish things would change, I wish things like what Nas was talking about would not be an issue. But the fact is that it is. And what pisses me off is people like Shallow thinking he has all the answers. Well if you have the answers, become president of the NAACP, get on the mic, and get people to love themselves. The problem is not an easy on, and you should not assume that it is.
What exactly did I say I had the answer to? All I said was I disagree with an approach. I gave no answer.