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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: RAP QUAKE on December 16, 2004, 06:22:49 PM
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Do you guys believe we can compare sins and put a certain weight on em, morally speaking? Like for example...you would claim that lying is worse than intoxication since u are just "deceiving" urself and ur reality with getting high whereas ur deceiving someone else with the reality, and committing crimes on others is usually viewed as worse as self-infliction, since it was ur choice whereas the otheres have no influence on teh decision. So what do u guys think the relative immorality with these acts is.. if u think the particular one is a crime at all, even. I know its pretty obvious what most ppl are gonna chose in order, but I just wanna get some stimulating discussion started knaamean. Peace 8)
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That's actually a nice question. For instance, many people believe that murder is worse than lying. But what if a lie you told causes a murder? Etc. I beleive in Karma, as many already know, so I do think that on some level my sins are put on the scale against my good deeds, and that certain sins are 'heavier' so to speak, than others. For instance many religions believe idol worship or acknowledging other 'gods' is the biggest sin one can ever commit etc. I can't really judge all of them myself, as I don't think I have the comprehension, I guess thats up to God. I might post more on this later.
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Christ said all sins are equal in the eyes of God.. I think it was around the time he was saving the adulterer.
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Nice question. I think a lot of those things you mentioned, people do to try to prove to themselves that they aren't scared. There is no balance and direction in their life. It is natural to not want to be scared, but they are taking that energy in the wrong direction. When you fear God (Allah), and it is only God that you fear, then you have balance.
As for answering your question, in Islam we don't have any teachings that says that all sins are equal. Infact, it is mentioned in particular, that ascribing partners to God, is the worst sin imaginable, and that it can be unforgivable.
It seems logical to me that someone who commits rape is doing more harm than someone who lusts after a picture in a magazine.
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Eventhough the Bible says all sins are equal and I follow its teachings, I find it hard to understand that concept of all sins being the same. It just seems illogical. Like what was said above, rape is much more harmful than lust.
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A question, I always thought that the 7 deadly sins are consider to be worse than any other sins(and weigh heavier), is this true or are generally all sins equal according to the Bible? Thanks a lot.
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i said i don't believe in god so i don't believe in sins. there are morals however. i'm not going to kill the guy who lives nextdoor but if i did, it wouldn't affect the grand scheam of things. we'll all be dead in 100 years. so i see nothing wrong with getting drunk and smoking weed and fucking.
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I think it's generally believed that while Christ did say all sins are equal in the eyes of God, that he was referring to the hypocricy of people condemning others, and that it was up to God to decide. He also says at one point that anyone who harmed one hair on the head of a Child, it would be better that he were chained and tossed into the sea then to meet the wrath of God or something like that. So he clearly felt that was the strongest sin imaginable.
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i think there is nothing wrong with getting wasted, as long as you dont abuse the intoxication, or get into addiction.
i think lying is one of the biggest sins, obviouslyy in our society its things like murder etc that are worst, lying is up there, maybe more humane then murder, but definetly up there.
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Some of those sinful things don't really seem to be sins to me. I mean, glutton or sloth is hardly a terrible thing in my opinion. Murder,rape and adultery are the only really bad things. Lying isn't very severe in my eyes and neither is deceat or vanity. There are things far worse that might be done to you.
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Some of those sinful things don't really seem to be sins to me. I mean, glutton or sloth is hardly a terrible thing in my opinion. Murder,rape and adultery are the only really bad things. Lying isn't very severe in my eyes and neither is deceat or vanity. There are things far worse that might be done to you.
worse things can be done, but its no reason to dismiss deceit, deceit it evil, the devil uses deceit...
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deceiving and lying to people is purely natural. Just check how many times a day you tell small lies or twist the truth to your advantage. On average, a person does that at least 10 times a day..does that make all of us unforgivable sinners? Don't think so.
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deceiving and lying to people is purely natural. Just check how many times a day you tell small lies or twist the truth to your advantage. On average, a person does that at least 10 times a day..does that make all of us unforgivable sinners? Don't think so.
i dont lie, i avoid white lies when possible, sometimes lying is necessary but only when the truth only causes harm, usually i prefer to harm the person and let them be offended with me rather than agreeing on what is being said.... its the reason i only have best friends, i dont have in the middle peeps, they either love me or hate me, but i deal with it coz i know im doin the right thing, if someone cant handle the truth its not my problem...
i dont twist the truth to my advantage coz i know im not fooling anyone, anyone who thinks ppl are stupid enough to believe their lies are stupid themself....
i choose not to lie because i dont want to burden myself, noone has a good enough memory to make a succesful liar.
if you find ureself lying 10x per day you should reassess ure approach to communication with ppl...
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^ Mr. Heavenly Virtue
You're only fooling yourself.
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im not sayin ive never lied, but ive been bitten lying before, its not something i do naturally, i try to be honest, i feel as though i grew out of lies.
adding a bit of spice to stories to make em more entertaining or wateva, yeh i'll do that, but i wont add lies to a story...
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Christ said all sins are equal in the eyes of God.. I think it was around the time he was saving the adulterer.
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Christ said all sins are equal in the eyes of God.. I think it was around the time he was saving the adulterer.
Just out of curiousity... killing and stealing apples are both sins. Why are they equal sins?
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He's referring to the eyes of God. To him a sin is a sin.
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Some of those sinful things don't really seem to be sins to me. I mean, glutton or sloth is hardly a terrible thing in my opinion. Murder,rape and adultery are the only really bad things. Lying isn't very severe in my eyes and neither is deceat or vanity. There are things far worse that might be done to you.
You don't even believe in God, so I wouldn't ask you to explain sin to me.
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Christ said all sins are equal in the eyes of God.. I think it was around the time he was saving the adulterer.
Just out of curiousity... killing and stealing apples are both sins. Why are they equal sins?
It's philosophical, man, and I don't see you as much of a philosopher... but... I'll waste my time anyways, hell I have nothing better to do.
Heaven, defined as the place the lord dwells in, is perfect, and as such has no evil or sin within it. If you have committed sin or have done evil, you cannot dwell in heaven... because it would make heaven imperfect. Imagine it as a clean white room with white carpet and white linen everywhere. It's so great, everything's perfectly clean. Now, if you walk in the room, covered in the sin of murder (Mud all over you)... you'd pollute the entire room, and the room would no longer be heaven, it'd be filthy. As well, if you walked in the room with the sin of a lie on you, you may only have 1 small speck of dirt on the bottom of your shoe... the room would still be polluted, and would still make it 'not' heaven, and not perfectly clean.
So all sins are equal; no sin, period, no matter how small can be allowed to enter Heaven. The only way our sins are abolished is if someone is punished, fairly, for our sins and evil actions (and even thoughts)... since no human could be punished adequately to fairly compensate for our transgressions, the literal son of God, Jesus Christ, volunteered to be punished for all of us to fairly compensate our sins, out of love and grace for all of us on the earth, not just the people that believe, but everyone, even those that hate and despise him.
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So if Jesus was already punished for our sins, why does it matter if we sin now?
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^ You've found a plothole in the Bible :D
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Christ said all sins are equal in the eyes of God.. I think it was around the time he was saving the adulterer.
Just out of curiousity... killing and stealing apples are both sins. Why are they equal sins?
It's philosophical, man, and I don't see you as much of a philosopher... but... I'll waste my time anyways, hell I have nothing better to do.
Heaven, defined as the place the lord dwells in, is perfect, and as such has no evil or sin within it. If you have committed sin or have done evil, you cannot dwell in heaven... because it would make heaven imperfect. Imagine it as a clean white room with white carpet and white linen everywhere. It's so great, everything's perfectly clean. Now, if you walk in the room, covered in the sin of murder (Mud all over you)... you'd pollute the entire room, and the room would no longer be heaven, it'd be filthy. As well, if you walked in the room with the sin of a lie on you, you may only have 1 small speck of dirt on the bottom of your shoe... the room would still be polluted, and would still make it 'not' heaven, and not perfectly clean.
So all sins are equal; no sin, period, no matter how small can be allowed to enter Heaven. The only way our sins are abolished is if someone is punished, fairly, for our sins and evil actions (and even thoughts)... since no human could be punished adequately to fairly compensate for our transgressions, the literal son of God, Jesus Christ, volunteered to be punished for all of us to fairly compensate our sins, out of love and grace for all of us on the earth, not just the people that believe, but everyone, even those that hate and despise him.
thats a good explanation mayn... but jesus sacrificed himself to open the doors of heaven again, he gave the ability of sins forgivness, he didnt take all of our sins but...
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So if Jesus was already punished for our sins, why does it matter if we sin now?
As if you care, but James Chapter 2 explains it.
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
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For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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This is all elementary theology, please don't attempt to slam basic topics of the bible which are easily defended. Just read the bible, all the answers are right there.
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Is that from the top of your head?
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ANyhone every see George Carlin's "Jammin in New York" ? He explains how the 10 commandments can all be squeezed down to one. It's funny as fuck and makes sense.
As for all sins being equally bad, that's just plain bullshit. I'm lazy all the time, does that make me as bad as a psychopath serial rapist?
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Christ said all sins are equal in the eyes of God.. I think it was around the time he was saving the adulterer.
Just out of curiousity... killing and stealing apples are both sins. Why are they equal sins?
It's philosophical, man, and I don't see you as much of a philosopher... but... I'll waste my time anyways, hell I have nothing better to do.
Heaven, defined as the place the lord dwells in, is perfect, and as such has no evil or sin within it. If you have committed sin or have done evil, you cannot dwell in heaven... because it would make heaven imperfect. Imagine it as a clean white room with white carpet and white linen everywhere. It's so great, everything's perfectly clean. Now, if you walk in the room, covered in the sin of murder (Mud all over you)... you'd pollute the entire room, and the room would no longer be heaven, it'd be filthy. As well, if you walked in the room with the sin of a lie on you, you may only have 1 small speck of dirt on the bottom of your shoe... the room would still be polluted, and would still make it 'not' heaven, and not perfectly clean.
So all sins are equal; no sin, period, no matter how small can be allowed to enter Heaven. The only way our sins are abolished is if someone is punished, fairly, for our sins and evil actions (and even thoughts)... since no human could be punished adequately to fairly compensate for our transgressions, the literal son of God, Jesus Christ, volunteered to be punished for all of us to fairly compensate our sins, out of love and grace for all of us on the earth, not just the people that believe, but everyone, even those that hate and despise him.
Haha How Mormon of U Trauma...it reminds me of these LDS missionaries that came to my door a while back..interesting conversation ensued...but I personally don't believe and CANT believe that Jesus Christ really was that special, and that he was not born from a vagina, and that he HIMSELF took on all the sins of humanity it just sounds impossible and I know this is jjus pure belief so Im not trying to argue here, I guess Im jus begging to differ, haha.