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Title: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Jome on January 06, 2005, 08:42:02 PM
The list of donator countries, according to CBC:


-Australia: $1 Billion. (20 million people)

-Japan: $500 million. (127 million people)

-The United States: $350 million. (293 million people)

-Norway: $160 million (4.5 million people)

-Netherlands: $147 million (16 million people)

-Britain: $95 million (60 million people)

-Sweden: $75.5 million (9 million people)

-Spain: $68 million (40 million people)

-China: $60 million (1298 million people)

-France: $57 million (60 million people)

-Canada: $33 million. (32.5 million people)

-Germany: $27 million (82.5 million people)

-Switzerland: $21.9 million (7.5 million people)

-Denmark: $18.1 million (5.5 million people)

-Portugal: $11 million (10.5 million people)

-Qatar: $10 million (0.8 million people)

-Saudi Arabia: $10 million (26 million people)

-Singapore: $3.6 million (4.4 million people)

-New Zealand: $3.5 million

-Finland: $3.3 million

-Kuwait: $2 million

-United Arab Emirates: $2 million

-Ireland: $1.4 million

-Italy: $1.3 million

-Turkey: $1.25 million

-Czech Republic: $750,000

-Iran: $627,000

-South Korea: $600,000

-Hungary: $411,000

-Greece: $397,000

-Luxembourg: $265,000

-Monaco: $133,000

-Mexico: $100,000

-Nepal: $100,000

-Estonia: $42,000



Source: http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/050101/w010108.html

NOTE: The Norwegian and Australian number listed in article is outdated/old, I added the right amounts.
Holland was somehow forgotten.
Private donations are not counted.
U.K. promised to give more.
Germany promised more.
Some countries donations might be higher at present time.


Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: mauzip on January 06, 2005, 08:44:46 PM
Netherlands: €112 million (16 million people)
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: DAYUM on January 06, 2005, 08:44:58 PM
Mexico  8) lol
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Lincoln on January 06, 2005, 09:04:19 PM
-Canada: $33 million. (32.5 million people)

Strange how CBC got it's own government's number wrong. Maybe that's the official, but Martin and Pettigrew upped it to 80 million plus matching private donations.
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Suga Foot on January 06, 2005, 09:15:49 PM
Australia is crazy!!  :o  Deezamn
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Don Jacob on January 06, 2005, 09:30:50 PM
is there some international competition out there that i'm not aware of , how come every post i see it's " oh this country gave this much and this country gave that much , haha we're better because we gave more"  i'm not saying that this post is like this but in my opinion it really doesn't matter how much more one country gives over another , the only amount that should matter is if they're getting enough to get back to where they use to be, all the meaning of giving is worthless if all you're doing is making a competition out of it.
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Jome on January 06, 2005, 09:33:24 PM
^^ It's just interesting to see how much each country gives, compared to what they're good for/capable of..
And it's also interesting to see the total picture of how much is given, the total amount is crazy, but it's a good cause.
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Thirteen on January 06, 2005, 10:00:11 PM
your numbers for australia are wrong jome

Australia: 815 million

just because they pledge a Billion of thier dollars mean it's actually a billion
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Jome on January 06, 2005, 10:12:44 PM
Well, they promised a billion, they might have given 815 mill of them yet..
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Thirteen on January 06, 2005, 10:14:29 PM
the rpomised a billion aussie bucks, and on the world market is becomes somewhere along the lines of $725 million

it's a shame this had to happen to have all these countries come together and make a tsunami warning system, australia and japan said they're help make one now
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: rafsta on January 07, 2005, 05:05:16 AM
your numbers for australia are wrong jome

Australia: 815 million

just because they pledge a Billion of thier dollars mean it's actually a billion


its pledged in american dollars... they gave 550 billion Euro's dumb ass... how could they do this without keeping all the same currencies ?? think before you type.
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: *Jamal* on January 07, 2005, 05:20:13 AM
your numbers for australia are wrong jome

Australia: 815 million

just because they pledge a Billion of thier dollars mean it's actually a billion


its pledged in american dollars... they gave 550 billion Euro's dumb ass... how could they do this without keeping all the same currencies ?? think before you type.

LMAO
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Thirteen on January 07, 2005, 06:04:59 AM
your numbers for australia are wrong jome

Australia: 815 million

just because they pledge a Billion of thier dollars mean it's actually a billion


its pledged in american dollars... they gave 550 billion Euro's dumb ass... how could they do this without keeping all the same currencies ?? think before you type.

Australian Prime Minister John Howard on Wednesday said his country will donate an additional billion Australian dollars ($764.5 million) to a partnership with Indonesia for rehabilitation. (Full story)

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/01/06/asia.tsunami/index.html

here's the country by country pledge:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/01/02/world.relief.contribution.reut/index.html

i will excuse you for being wrong and for being a moron...we are talking about money here, which to you, is like talking about recipes with a starving person
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Ant on January 07, 2005, 07:43:04 AM
as i pointed out earlier, the U.S. is not the most generous developed nation, despite what some of you may wish to believe.  esp. when you consider national income, and population size. 
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: 7even on January 07, 2005, 07:48:40 AM
as i pointed out earlier, the U.S. is not the most generous developed nation, despite what some of you may wish to believe.  esp. when you consider national income, and population size. 

Yea of course not, everybody who thought that is a moron.

Plus, some funny shit: Bush gave 10000 $ , LMAO.. he's a fucking multi-millionaire AND the President, and he gives an amount of money everybody could do.. unbelieveable.
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Thirteen on January 07, 2005, 07:51:49 AM
as i pointed out earlier, the U.S. is not the most generous developed nation, despite what some of you may wish to believe.  esp. when you consider national income, and population size. 

once again you are wrong, as a nation we give the most... our government doesn't give the most is the words that for some reason you seem unable to write

Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Thirteen on January 07, 2005, 07:55:30 AM
and you forget that money is fine and dandy but it's people and work that help the most

A massive American military relief operation picked up steam on Monday with U.S. helicopters dropping off cartons of food aid in Sumatra and U.S. warships with 2,200 Marines arriving in the Malacca Straits to begin ferrying supplies to the tsunami-battered island.

To get a firsthand look at the devastation, a U.S. delegation including Secretary of State Colin Powell and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush on Monday begins a trip that includes stops in Thailand, Indonesia and perhaps Sri Lanka.

Meanwhile, searchers all but gave up hope of finding more survivors from last week's killer earthquake and tsunami, with authorities saying Monday that thousands listed as missing were presumed dead. The world turned its full attention to getting food and water to the living.

Confirmed deaths from the disaster reached 139,253 after hardest-hit Indonesia increased its death toll to 94,081, and Sri Lanka and Thailand both raised their tolls by lesser amounts. Aid agencies have said the death toll was expected to hit 150,000. Sri Lanka, India and Thailand said they were almost ready to give up on more than 15,000 still unaccounted for.

The Dec. 26 tsunami struck the region without any advance notice, and Indonesia announced plans Monday to work with its Asian neighbors to establish a system to warn coastal communities before potentially deadly waves hit.

Aid workers, meanwhile, were trying to help the millions of people displaced and devastated by the loss of family and friends put their towns and villages back together.

On Monday, the USS Bonhomme Richard and two other warships carrying a Marine expeditionary unit, dozens of helicopters and tons of supplies steamed into the Indian Ocean to join in relief operations off the hard-hit northwest coast of Sumatra.

Later this week, the group was to begin operations off the shores of Sri Lanka.

"We've been racing across the ocean," said Rear Adm. Chris Ames, commander of the strike force.

Ames acknowledged that the situation in Sri Lanka remains unclear, and that the mission for the Marines is still developing. He said the Marines' primary responsibilities would include ferrying food and medical supplies to villages in need. He also stressed that having "boots on the ground" would bring badly needed manpower for constructing temporary shelters, clearing roads and operating water purification equipment.

"We know a lot more today than we did yesterday," he said. "But we're not waiting for a perfect picture. There's so much to be done."

The ships are part of one of the largest U.S. military missions in Asia since the Vietnam War ended in 1975. The aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln and its battle group are operating off northern Sumatra, the hardest hit area, and U.S. airlift operations are being flown out of Utapao, a base in Thailand used to stage bombing missions in the Vietnam era.

Also on Indonesia's Sumatra island, U.S. helicopters dropped off cartons of food aid donated by Singapore schools. Flying missions along a 120-mile stretch of Sumatra coastline, the extent of the damage from the Dec. 26 earthquake and tsunami became eerily obvious.

At one point, the choppers flew low over what appeared to be a fishing flotilla off the coast in glassy seas. Some boats were clearly damaged, while others appeared to have emerged from the disaster unscathed. But there was no sign of life at all.

At Karim Rajia, two helicopters dropped off 1,800 pounds of soup and biscuits there in cartons stenciled: "Our deepest condolences to the brothers and sisters in Aceh. May god be with them. Love from the teachers and students of Singapore."

Several people were taken off on stretchers on the USS Abraham Lincoln after the U.S. military got permission from Jakarta on Sunday to pick up survivors in bad shape.

"I'd much rather be doing this than fighting a war," said helicopter pilot Lt. Cmdr. William Whitsitt of Great Falls, Mont.

The aid deliveries were a mere drop in an ocean of need -- but priceless nonetheless, said Indonesian military spokesman Ahmad Yani Basuki.

"They've helped us reach places we have not had the time, or manpower, or equipment to go to," said Basuki, noting that Americans had helped clear helicopter landing spaces for the arrival of future supplies. "It really speeds up the distribution of aid to (Sumatra's) west coast."

International donors, meeting this week in Indonesia, have so far pledged about $2 billion. But the needs of disaster victims remain enormous, and relief efforts have been hampered by the destruction of roads, ports and airfields.

As the relief effort continued to build, affected nations were also working to ensure that nothing on the scale of last week's disaster would happen again.

Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono on Monday said his nation would join in an international effort to set up an early warning system to limit the loss of life in any similar catastrophe in the future.

"This would be a kind of pre-emptive measure," he told reporters.

Yudhoyono didn't specify how many countries would be involved, but regional leaders were expected to endorse establishing such a system during a donors' conference Thursday in Jakarta, organized through the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations.

Across the affected region, hope was fading by the hour for the tens of thousands still missing.

"There is very little chance of finding survivors after seven days," said Lamsar Sipahutar, the head of the search team in Indonesia. "We are about to stop the search-and-rescue operations."

In Sri Lanka, N.D. Hettiarachchi, director at the National Disaster Management Center, said nearly 17,000 people were injured and almost 1 million people had been displaced and were living in temporary camps at schools and religious places.

Children accounted for 40 percent, or 12,000, of the deaths in Sri Lanka, officials said. But without bodies to mourn over, many parents find it hard to believe their children are dead. Some were buried in mass graves, before parents were told. Many were swept out to sea.

Day after day parents come at dawn and wander the beach in the devastated districts of Ampara and Batticaloa.

"They believe their kids are alive and the sea will return them -- one day," UNICEF chief Carol Bellamy said on Sunday, after touring this island country's tsunami-devastated shore.

In New York, U.N. humanitarian chief Jan Egeland said 1.8 million people in tsunami-hit countries would need food aid and that figure could rise. It would take about three days to get food to 700,000 people in Sri Lanka but much longer to reach the one million hungry people in Indonesia, he said. He warned there were still difficulties in reaching survivors in Sumatra's Aceh province
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Ant on January 07, 2005, 08:01:37 AM
as i pointed out earlier, the U.S. is not the most generous developed nation, despite what some of you may wish to believe.  esp. when you consider national income, and population size. 

once again you are wrong, as a nation we give the most... our government doesn't give the most is the words that for some reason you seem unable to write


Here to make you feel better I will simplfy:

Fact:  The U.S. provides more foreign aid money than any other nation on an annual basis.

Fact:  The amount the U.S. gives away on an annual basis, equals .01% of its national income.

Fact:  As a percentage of its national income, the U.S. government and its citizens, annually provide less foreign aid than any other developed nation.   

Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Thirteen on January 07, 2005, 08:04:48 AM
we give 75% of the world's donated money....does the US make up 75% or the world's population? no....so how are we not giving enough again?
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Sikotic™ on January 07, 2005, 08:51:12 AM
CONGRATU-FUCKING-LATIONS

Why ANOTHER thread on this? Fuck how much a nation gives if it isn't genuine. I mean seriously, I hope it's all genuine, but if these nations are primarily in competition and they are putting the people in need secondary like you are all making it out to be, then this is really really sad.
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Jimmy Cash2120 on January 07, 2005, 10:39:53 AM
you guys are taking a tragidy and turning it into a contest of who gives more money
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Machiavelli on January 07, 2005, 11:25:50 AM
The US is king when it comes to Manpower and food.
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: rafsta on January 07, 2005, 12:40:48 PM
as i pointed out earlier, the U.S. is not the most generous developed nation, despite what some of you may wish to believe.  esp. when you consider national income, and population size. 

once again you are wrong, as a nation we give the most... our government doesn't give the most is the words that for some reason you seem unable to write



ok think of it this way..... i give 50$ to the disaster, and a millionaire gives 50$, who is more generous ?
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: rafsta on January 07, 2005, 12:42:11 PM
CONGRATU-FUCKING-LATIONS

Why ANOTHER thread on this? Fuck how much a nation gives if it isn't genuine. I mean seriously, I hope it's all genuine, but if these nations are primarily in competition and they are putting the people in need secondary like you are all making it out to be, then this is really really sad.

whats sad is the excuses you have for america, whats sad is that a small nation which is already in a 7 billion dollar deficit, contributed the most... its no competition, just an example of how much america really does....
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: rafsta on January 07, 2005, 12:43:18 PM
The US is king when it comes to Manpower and food.

do you really think that the man power and food isnt considered into the contribution ?
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Thirteen on January 07, 2005, 12:45:24 PM
it isn't moron, those are dollars pledged....with that last $50 you should buy some dr seuss books and brush up on your reading
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: rafsta on January 07, 2005, 01:04:56 PM
with that last $50 you should buy some dr seuss books and brush up on your reading

a bit late now isnt it.... punk. dont you have some heavy metal to lisn to ?
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Thirteen on January 07, 2005, 01:10:29 PM
it's never too late...and once again, you're wrong in your assumptions
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: rafsta on January 07, 2005, 01:38:06 PM
well i spent my 50$ so it is too late.... so what sepultura track u got pumpin ? punk ass.
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Thirteen on January 07, 2005, 01:40:11 PM
ummm i'm listening to number 15 on their momma and baby eaters cd....why you want me to send you this track?
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: rafsta on January 07, 2005, 01:54:18 PM
i'd rather u send me a letter with anthrax in it...
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Ant on January 07, 2005, 02:09:12 PM
as i pointed out earlier, the U.S. is not the most generous developed nation, despite what some of you may wish to believe.  esp. when you consider national income, and population size. 

once again you are wrong, as a nation we give the most... our government doesn't give the most is the words that for some reason you seem unable to write



ok think of it this way..... i give 50$ to the disaster, and a millionaire gives 50$, who is more generous ?

lol thank you.. its really not all that complicated.   I don't even care who gives more and who gives less.  I'm just pointing out the truth, and your embarassing youself by spending 2 days now refusing to accept the obvious. 

If you seriously want to argue that a millionaire donating 60 dollars is more generous than a poor person donating 50 because the millionaire donated the higher amount, than by all means go ahead, you'll just verify your own stupidity.  In case you haven't realized that is essentially what you've argued this whole time.
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: mauzip on January 07, 2005, 02:16:07 PM
if you don't care, why do you point it out? ???
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Thirteen on January 07, 2005, 02:33:37 PM
as i pointed out earlier, the U.S. is not the most generous developed nation, despite what some of you may wish to believe.  esp. when you consider national income, and population size. 

once again you are wrong, as a nation we give the most... our government doesn't give the most is the words that for some reason you seem unable to write



ok think of it this way..... i give 50$ to the disaster, and a millionaire gives 50$, who is more generous ?

lol thank you.. its really not all that complicated.   I don't even care who gives more and who gives less.  I'm just pointing out the truth, and your embarassing youself by spending 2 days now refusing to accept the obvious. 

If you seriously want to argue that a millionaire donating 60 dollars is more generous than a poor person donating 50 because the millionaire donated the higher amount, than by all means go ahead, you'll just verify your own stupidity.  In case you haven't realized that is essentially what you've argued this whole time.

ok moron, these are governments and millions of people you're talking about....there's no "poor people giving $50" in this equation all the governments on that list are able to give that money.....you don't see rwanda anywear near the top... in fact you don't see any 3rd world countries near the top of ANY aid list.....

as for the people part....i don't see how you're able to pick out poor people giving $50 out of a estimated number comprised of millions of people

so where this imaginary poor person that's giving all his/her money is ficticious and you're an idiot for backing your arguement up with fake characters...

if i were as dumb as you i'd say the north pole gives the most money because Santa doesn't make a dime, he just gets paid in cookies and milk, yet he delivers billions of presents a year and does thousands of hours of charity work in malls across the world

it all boils down to, the US give 75% of all donated money and we don't make up 75% of the world
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: rafsta on January 07, 2005, 02:51:43 PM
its no competition

again its no competition, but i think its a good thing that Australia did donate so much because it sets a benchmark, it would make other countries think maybe give a lil more... its no competition but it could state that even tho most countries are being very generous, they could be more generous... John Howard made me proud, and i dont mind if i have to pay extra taxes when i get home...
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Sikotic™ on January 07, 2005, 03:45:38 PM
CONGRATU-FUCKING-LATIONS

Why ANOTHER thread on this? Fuck how much a nation gives if it isn't genuine. I mean seriously, I hope it's all genuine, but if these nations are primarily in competition and they are putting the people in need secondary like you are all making it out to be, then this is really really sad.

whats sad is the excuses you have for america, whats sad is that a small nation which is already in a 7 billion dollar deficit, contributed the most... its no competition, just an example of how much america really does....

Excuse me? Where the fuck did I mention America? I'm talking about any country that's giving money without being sincere.
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Ant on January 07, 2005, 04:00:45 PM
if you don't care, why do you point it out? ???

To demonstrate the republican tendency to ignore reality even when they are obviously wrong.  Which you should be able to see is clearly the case. 
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: mauzip on January 07, 2005, 04:10:15 PM
so you do care?
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Sikotic™ on January 07, 2005, 04:17:37 PM
so you do care?

 ;D
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Jome on January 07, 2005, 09:26:23 PM
Funny how a thread about the 150.000+ tsunami victims & donations, turns into pro-America propaganda vs. Anti-American propaganda.  ::)
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: BigBDrugStores on January 08, 2005, 12:12:27 PM
we are talking about money here, which to you, is like talking about recipes with a starving person
ah good clean fun
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Ant on January 08, 2005, 12:22:49 PM
so you do care?

No. I don't care how much money any of these countries give.  I'm pointing out reality.  The U.S. is not the most generous.  I don't think its really good or bad, but i think its definitely obvious that republicans refuse to accept reality. 

Of course the fact that some of y'all are republicans and hip-hop supporters at the same time, shoulda been the first give away that a few of you are a lil out of sych with whats real. 

Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Real American on January 08, 2005, 02:56:32 PM
I knew when the tsunamai first happened, somehow the idiots on this board would  find a way to turn it into a bash America and President Bush fest.

I don't care about what government pledged what, the fact of the matter is that America is one of the most generous nations in the world. I guarantee you that all the charity groups and private citizens in the US give more per person than any other country. That is where the majority of our contribtions come from, not from the government. Hell, Bill Gates alone does as much for AIDS in Africa as most of those snooty little European countries.

Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: BigBDrugStores on January 08, 2005, 03:35:08 PM
so you do care?

No. I don't care how much money any of these countries give.  I'm pointing out reality.  The U.S. is not the most generous.  I don't think its really good or bad, but i think its definitely obvious that republicans refuse to accept reality. 

Of course the fact that some of y'all are republicans and hip-hop supporters at the same time, shoulda been the first give away that a few of you are a lil out of sych with whats real. 


it looks like you care
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: 40oz GRApHire on January 08, 2005, 03:42:10 PM
I was viewing BCC yesterday & its funny because they said in total the Tsunami incident caused damage for about A Billion dollar... I know alot of the money that gets donated gets into medical help & those kind of things, not really in the material damage but still I think the money that is coming in can really rebuild everything & maybe more. But the climate changing is going to cause alot more disasters in the future, mark my word, some distasters much worse then the Tsunami, but all in longterm time periodes, maybe als Cofi Anan said on the news, we should have a fondraising for upcoming disasters and maybe take a part of the Tsunami raising that is unneeded...
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Jimmy Cash2120 on January 08, 2005, 04:35:39 PM
so you do care?

No. I don't care how much money any of these countries give.  I'm pointing out reality.  The U.S. is not the most generous.  I don't think its really good or bad, but i think its definitely obvious that republicans refuse to accept reality. 

Of course the fact that some of y'all are republicans and hip-hop supporters at the same time, shoulda been the first give away that a few of you are a lil out of sych with whats real. 



i knew i smelled an anit-republican thread.

i consider myself a conseritive and i'm a minority who is a rapper. why does that make me out of sych with whats real? if you beleave the republican stereotype, or that the current admin. represents all republicans, your out of sych. all i see is liberal propaganda on this board attacking conseritives.
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: BigBDrugStores on January 08, 2005, 07:48:55 PM
i consider myself a rapper.
Right
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Thirteen on January 08, 2005, 07:52:42 PM
anyways...back to talking about the relief effort, i just found out today that there's little chance of the unit i am going over there to help which was kind of disheartening...there wasn't a single soul out of 150 people that didn't want to go and help out. i pretty much wish i would have stayed stationed on the west coast so i had a better chance to help out
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Fuck Your Existence on January 08, 2005, 08:23:34 PM
Who gives a fuck! Honestly,Everywhere I turn I hear bullshit about who's given more. As long as shit is gettin' donated then it shouldn't matter. Is there a prize to be had that I don't know about?
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Ðøšïå on January 09, 2005, 11:36:33 AM
Funny how a thread about the 150.000+ tsunami victims & donations, turns into pro-America propaganda vs. Anti-American propaganda.  ::)

Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Jimmy Cash2120 on January 09, 2005, 12:56:56 PM
i like men
I bet
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Ant on January 09, 2005, 02:05:19 PM
so you do care?

No. I don't care how much money any of these countries give.  I'm pointing out reality.  The U.S. is not the most generous.  I don't think its really good or bad, but i think its definitely obvious that republicans refuse to accept reality. 

Of course the fact that some of y'all are republicans and hip-hop supporters at the same time, shoulda been the first give away that a few of you are a lil out of sych with whats real. 



i knew i smelled an anit-republican thread.

i consider myself a conseritive and i'm a minority who is a rapper. why does that make me out of sych with whats real? if you beleave the republican stereotype, or that the current admin. represents all republicans, your out of sych. all i see is liberal propaganda on this board attacking conseritives.

I don't attack conservatives.  In fact I refuse to call modern republicans conservatives, because they aren't.  Conservatives believe in equal rights.  Republicans have no problem running racist candidates, and giving racist senators high ranking positions in their party.   

The republican party is no longer conservative.  That synoymn is out of date.

Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: ::Mr. Hahn:: on January 12, 2005, 12:07:47 AM
Mate...Australia holdin' it down!
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Elevz on January 12, 2005, 12:18:32 AM
I don't attack conservatives.  In fact I refuse to call modern republicans conservatives, because they aren't.  Conservatives believe in equal rights.  Republicans have no problem running racist candidates, and giving racist senators high ranking positions in their party.   

The republican party is no longer conservative.  That synoymn is out of date.

Erm, you're saying republicans are racists or supporters of racism?

 :sign_banhim:
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Woodrow on January 12, 2005, 08:42:20 AM
Conservatives believe in equal rights.  Republicans have no problem running racist candidates, and giving racist senators high ranking positions in their party.   

Funny. Just the other night I was watching a documentary about Martin Luther King. They were showing some video clips of one of his group's marching demonstrations, and you see some people on the sidelines smashing store windows, pretending to be part of the march. Turns out they were really being paid to cause trouble. Some public officials took the opportunity to denounce King's efforts as violent and to discourage people from joining his cause. Guess which senator got a cameo in the documentary as one of these officials?

Robert Byrd (D)

I wonder how many anti-semitic bigots voted against Bush because he's pro-Israel?

Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Noname on January 12, 2005, 09:52:49 AM
Holland is giving about 350 million now.
Government - 200 million
People - about 150 million ( is still rising)
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Don Rizzle on January 13, 2005, 10:43:28 AM
Mate...Australia holdin' it down!
yes and no, australia are very hesitant about cancelling/ruducing debt repayments and would prefer to suspend them also half the money their government has offered is in the form of loans. Germany and Japan is the real kings
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Don Rizzle on January 13, 2005, 10:46:10 AM
figures as of 11/1/05

my turn to join in i been away. american goverment is very stingy in aid and most things that don't concern them, however the private institutions and citizens may pladge alot but you would hope that from the richest country with a population of 300 million or whatever it is. i will congratualte them for sending the marines to help out i hope our goverment will follow suit and this is the time to act we are doing some in that area but not enough. after a slow start our government have pledged a good amount of money.

to see whose sent what read below.

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Tsunami aid: Who's giving what
Donations have been pouring in from governments and individuals in the wake of the Asian tsunami disaster. The UN says it has received between US$3-4bn (£1.6-2.1bn) in pledges and has called for $1bn in cash to be released immediately.
Here is a breakdown of what has been pledged so far:


Germany - $1.1bn
Berlin has raised its government aid to $674m. Germany is also sending a mobile hospital to Aceh and a military ship with two helicopters, aid supplies, water treatment equipment and an operating theatre on board. The public has donated an estimated $431m.

IMF - $1bn
The IMF has offered up to $1bn in financial assistance to afflicted countries.

Australia - $903m
The government has raised its offer of aid to $815 million over a five-year period. Half of this sum is in bilateral loans. Prime Minister, John Howard has been sceptical about supporting the debt relief initiative being pushed by other wealthy countries. Donations from the Australian public total $88m. About 350 military staff, four military helicopters, a troop transport ship, a military health support team and a water purification plant are being sent to Indonesia, as well as a team of volunteer medical professionals.

European Union - $628m
$628 million in reconstruction and humanitarian funds, of which $130m is humanitarian aid. This brings the total sum donated by the bloc (EC+ EU member states) to roughly $2bn.

US - $550m
$350m in government donations, plus military assistance involving 12,600 personnel, 21 ships, 14 cargo planes and more than 90 helicopters. Around $200m of private donations are also pouring in, with $120m donated to the US branches of the Red Cross, Oxfam and Save the Children, and to Catholic Relief Services.

Japan - $500m
$500m (£264m) in government donations, half of which Tokyo has promised to make available immediately in direct grants. Some 120 civilian emergency workers were sent to tsunami-hit countries. The government has also offered to help set up a tsunami early warning system in the Indian Ocean.



 FROM THE WORLD'S POOREST
Russian town of Beslan - scene of a bloody school siege last year - pledged 1m roubles ($36,000) from the fund set up after the mass hostage-taking
Mozambique - one of the world's poorest nations - has donated $100,000
Nepal and East Timor have also pledged donations 

Britain - $285m
$96m in government donations, plus $189m in private donations which the government has pledged to match. Two RAF planes, a C-17 and a Tristar, are helping to deliver aid to the region. Tony Blair has also offered to send 120 Ghurkas to Indonesia but this was rejected by Jakarta. Chancellor Gordon Brown is pushing a proposal for the debts of the affected nations to be frozen.

World Bank - $250m
The banks has diverted $250m from existing programmes to cover emergency needs while longer-term reconstruction needs are assessed.

Norway - $212m
Pledged $182m in government donations, plus $30m raised in private donations.

Asian Development Bank - $175m
An amount of $175m has been diverted from existing programmes in Indonesia, Sri Lanka and the Maldives. The bank says up to $150m more could be made available in new loans.

Sweden - $140m
Pledged $80m in government donations, plus $60m in private donations, including money raised during two telethons.

Italy - $115m
Donated $95m in government aid. Six to eight police forensics specialists have been sent to Thailand to help to identify bodies. Public donations totalling $20m had been collected by New Year's Day.

France - $115m
Pledged $66m in government donations, plus an estimated $49m raised in private donations. A medical team has been sent to Sri Lanka.

Canada - $348m
Prime Minister Paul Martin announced a five-fold increase in initial Canadian pledges, with a package worth almost $350m over five years. Private donations have so far reached $123m, the prime minister added.
Canada is deploying its highly-specialised Disaster Assistance Response Team to Sri Lanka.

Denmark - $75m
Some $75m in government aid. Copenhagen has sent a field hospital, transport vehicles and a ship to the UN aid effort, Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen has said.

Netherlands - $69m
Donated $34m by the government and aid groups say a further $35m has been raised in private donations. A Dutch police identification team has been sent to Thailand.

Spain - $68m
Given $68m in government donations, and a medical team has been sent to Sri Lanka.

China - $65.1m
Pledged$63.1m in government donations, plus $1.8m donated to the Chinese Red Cross.

South Korea - $63m
Pledged $50m in government aid. The prime minister's office said the funds would be spend for rehabilitation of the devastated areas over the next three years. Private donations have reached nearly $13m, the South Korean foreign ministry says.

Qatar - £25m
Has given $25m in government aid. Qatar is also sending food, medical and logistical supplies to affected countries.

Russia - $2m
Around $2m in aid but the government is sending additional aid, including grain and water purifiers.

North Korea
North Korea has pledged $150,000 to aid the effort in Indonesia.

Countries in the region

India
The Indian military is staging its biggest relief operation ever in Sri Lanka, the Maldives and Indonesia. This involves at least 16,000 troops, 32 navy ships, 41 aircraft including at least 16 helicopters, several medical teams and a mobile hospital. The air force has so far lifted 10,000 tonnes of relief supplies.

Bangladesh
Bangladesh has dispatched 111 soldiers to Sri Lanka and the Maldives, with a further 46 expected to join them. Two planes and two helicopters will carry the troops together with aid supplies.

Pakistan
Pakistan plans to send 500 military staff in medical and engineering teams to Indonesia and Sri Lanka.

Afghanistan
Afghanistan has pledged to send around a dozen medics and a planeload of medicine and equipment to India and Sri Lanka. Citizens have also donated blood.




Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4145259.stm

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Nations meet UN swift cash appeal
The UN official co-ordinating aid for tsunami survivors has said concrete commitments worth $717m (£382m) have been secured from donor countries.
Speaking after an international meeting in Geneva, Jan Egeland said he was very encouraged by the swift response.

He said the governments had promised to release the cash to help the disaster victims over the next six months.

But he also warned that donor nations must not neglect other humanitarian crises around the world.


Mr Egeland said it was the first time the UN had collected so much money in such a short space of time after a disaster, calling it an "extraordinary effort".

Urgent aid

Japan, the biggest donor, is to contribute $250m (£133m) in cash within the next few days, he said, half the total pledge already made by the Japanese government.

Mr Egeland had earlier urged donor countries to release funds more quickly for the relief effort, saying only one-tenth of aid promised had so far been received.

In other developments in the Indian Ocean region:


The Indonesian army tells foreign aid workers in Aceh to register to travel outside Banda Aceh and Meulaboh

Sri Lankan President Chandrika Kumaratunga wants to adopt a Tamil child orphaned by the tsunami as a gesture of goodwill towards the Tamil community, an aide says

An Acehnese man is rescued by an Arab container ship after two weeks drifting at sea following the tsunami

International police agency Interpol sets up what is thought to be the biggest disaster victim identification centre in history, in the Thai resort of Phuket.
Tuesday's Geneva meeting came five days after UN Secretary General Kofi Annan chaired a donor conference in Jakarta, Indonesia, where he issued a call for urgent aid.

Massive effort

The amount now promised over the next six months is equivalent to 73% of the $977m (£520m) that Mr Annan requested.


 We're seeing humanity at its very best in the beginning of 2005
Jan Egeland
UN relief co-ordinator
Watch all of Jan Egeland's briefing 

The delegates, representing governments and aid agencies, included US aid chief Andrew Natsios, EU development commissioner Louis Michel and senior ministers from Britain, France and Germany.

Mr Egeland, who chaired the 81-nation meeting, said as it opened that about $300m had been committed to projects on the ground in the tsunami-hit region, out of $3.4bn in formally recorded aid pledges.

"We need very quickly more signed contracts, more cash, more concrete commitments to help keep this massive effort going in the next six months," he said.

But he said that the outbreak of disease and starvation that the UN had feared in the wake of the tsunami disaster, in which more than 150,000 people died, did not seem to be happening.

Yearly shortfall

The UN co-ordinator listed at least a dozen regions where UN agencies are struggling to meet the basic needs of millions of people.

He pointed out that the Democratic Republic of Congo, where 1,000 people die daily of preventable diseases or because of the conflict there, suffered the equivalent of a tsunami every five months.

Each year, Mr Egeland said, the UN launches an appeal for aid work but actual funds always fall well short of pledges.

Phil Bloomer, head of UK-based charity Oxfam, said this was "crunch time" to make sure the pledges were realised.

"This is not the time for empty rhetoric," he said, quoted by AFP news agency. "The eyes of the world are on this meeting and we want guarantees that the aid will not be diverted from other disasters and other suffering people."

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4163655.stm
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: BigBDrugStores on January 13, 2005, 01:50:03 PM
figures as of 11/1/05
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4163655.stm
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you didnt have to put all of it in. a link would have been nice


Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: mauzip on January 13, 2005, 01:52:15 PM
why did you quote him? :sign_banhim:

 ;D
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: Ant on January 13, 2005, 01:56:06 PM
Conservatives believe in equal rights.  Republicans have no problem running racist candidates, and giving racist senators high ranking positions in their party.   

Funny. Just the other night I was watching a documentary about Martin Luther King. They were showing some video clips of one of his group's marching demonstrations, and you see some people on the sidelines smashing store windows, pretending to be part of the march. Turns out they were really being paid to cause trouble. Some public officials took the opportunity to denounce King's efforts as violent and to discourage people from joining his cause. Guess which senator got a cameo in the documentary as one of these officials?

Robert Byrd (D)

I wonder how many anti-semitic bigots voted against Bush because he's pro-Israel?



your party is racist thats why it controls the south.  racist voters aren't voting for candidates that support affirmative action, simple as that.  if you want to ignore reality feel free.....

Byrd was racist 3 decades ago when the majority of america was racist, he has since denouced racism and joined the democrats to promote equal rights because he is embarassed of his poast.

Republicans on the other hand embrace former democrats who left the party because the dems pushed out racist candidates.  Your party embraced racist dems with open arms and promoted them to leadership positions. 

your dwelling on things that happened 30 years ago, i'm telling you what still happens today.

Let's face it the KKK isnt voting for democrats.  And your party ran candidates THIS YEAR who told people there are "favored races" and implied the reasons our cities look like shit is because of black people.  This didnt happen 30 years ago, this happened in 2004.  In 2002 you had your CHOSEN senate majority leadersay the country would be better off if we remained segregated.


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and if you want to talk about anti-semitism, your party is anti the whole middle east practically. whenever i hear anyone say "you know what i think, i think we should just nuke all those bastards" its always followed by "and that is why i voted for Bush."  The avg. joe isnt running around all day thinking about hating jews and forming jewish hate groups.  The avg. republican at the very least dislikes black poeple, and was happy to see iraqis, who had nothing to do with 9-11, being tortured by US soldiers, because we were trying desperately to find the location of WMD that never existed.

Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: BigBDrugStores on January 13, 2005, 01:57:21 PM
why did you quote him? :sign_banhim:

 ;D
why not? :sign_banhim:
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: mauzip on January 13, 2005, 02:24:40 PM
why did you quote him? :sign_banhim:

 ;D
why not? :sign_banhim:
Title: Re: Tsunami Donator Countries: Australia is king
Post by: MidoriHaze on January 13, 2005, 07:09:22 PM
lol it's not about who donates the most, a more effective parameter should be the amount of effort each country is putting in and a monetary form doesn't reflect it to a full extent.

My country, Australia, did not donate all this money just so they could be at the top of the donations list, cause we can't even afford to do so. Efforts with sporting events and concerts have enabled us to give more also.

Indonesia and Australian governments have had good ties through out the past, with negotiations which lead to the development of the new democracy of East Timor, fighting against rebels, etc etc. So naturally when a disaster like this happens on our 'doorstep' of course were going to lend a helping hand to it, which is a trait to our people.

In Japan's case i can understand since they have dealt with tsunami's in the past, and can empathise. Other countries have put in massive amounts too which is good to see people uniting to overcome such an unfortunate disaster.

I am tho quite proud of Australia's involvement, however with other natural problems occuring back home (bushfires, etc) i think Howard also needs to attend to home issues as well as a broad.