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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: The Watcher on January 14, 2005, 04:30:31 PM
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"Soon everybody will realise/that Zino is the realest since Pac was alive" lmao @ the last line..
http://www.thesource.com/video/benzino/
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the song is hot, fuck the haters
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"Soon everybody will realise/that Zino is the realest since Pac was alive" lmao @ the last line..
http://www.thesource.com/video/benzino/
yeh that line is pretty wack. but i was laughing at the intro and that track is better than a lot of encore.
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lol at the beggining
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the song is hot, fuck the haters
i must have watched the wrong video...
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the song is hot, fuck the haters
i must have watched the wrong video...
or u must be on Eminems dick
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this muthafuckas is soooo ugly he make game look like a GQ model
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the song is hot, fuck the haters
i must have watched the wrong video...
or u must be on Eminems dick
lol its hilarious that you call EVERYONE a dickrider. Benzino is garbage,has always been garbage,and will always be garbage. End of fuckin story. His pathetic ass needs this beef to help sell records. Come up with somethin else when someone doesnt agree with you besides bein a dickrider. Every time any artist from aftermath comes up your all over calling people dickriders...what does that make you?
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lmfao. The beginning was dope. It's about time someone dissed that wack ass Toy Soldiers video.
And the song is decent too
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lmao... why do these rappers always fuck their own songs up by including those gay ass r&b hooks? :'/
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lmao... why do these rappers always fuck their own songs up by including those gay ass r&b hooks? :'/
I geuss It has something to do with toy soldiers having something like that but it has to be diff. and maybe the song is like confessions.... or maybe getto has a lil bit of "passion"... and why R&B GAY??? not every1 is cold harted to every1... and hell yeah I listen to R&B helll yeah I listen to rap songs with R&B.. and no i aint gay
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begining is funny, song is ehh, i dont like r&b, and i dont like benzinos rappng
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the song is hot, fuck the haters
anyone have a link for the track? i want this...
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Well... This might as well be the best thing I've heard from Benzino so far. It's not great, but it's ok. Way better than Like Toy Soldiers actually... Damn, Em sounds so monotome over that one. Benzino wins the round!
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wack ass rnb shit. em's track is corny and not good either, no need to even comment on the funnystyle video but track is better than this shit for sure
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the song is hot, fuck the haters
i must have watched the wrong video...
or u must be on Eminems dick
lol its hilarious that you call EVERYONE a dickrider. Benzino is garbage,has always been garbage,and will always be garbage. End of fuckin story. His pathetic ass needs this beef to help sell records. Come up with somethin else when someone doesnt agree with you besides bein a dickrider. Every time any artist from aftermath comes up your all over calling people dickriders...what does that make you?
i dont call eberyone a dickride, just the ones who worship one camp & hates everyone that the camp has beef with. Bezino aint the best rapper but he aint as bad as yall make him out to be. ok he uses beef to sell records - that puts him on the same list as Eminem and 50. I dont hate Aftermath. I like Dre, Eve, Game, 50, Em, Obie Trice, and Stat Quo - but yall cats act be on that dumb shiet tryna fight they battles on the internet
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props to benzino, for trying to rid the game of undercover racists. to put an end to the machine, he needs to focus on jimmy iovine.
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the song is hot, fuck the haters
anyone have a link for the track? i want this...
still lookin for it...
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props to benzino, for trying to rid the game of undercover racists. to put an end to the machine, he needs to focus on jimmy iovine.
Use some common sense. If Em was really racist, he led the saddest life in human existence. Benzino is the biggest hyprocrite alive, trying to depict himself as a part of an oppressed minority all the time - while he tried to bring a white rapper who said nigga (Bawston Strangla) into the game.... He's jealous because Em & Dre were faster and are now making infinite millions with that idea.
Hypo to the motherfucking crite and he's not even black, lol .. talking about double standards when Lethal Injection is considered a great west coast album.
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Use some common sense. If Em was really racist, he led the saddest life in human existence. Benzino is the biggest hyprocrite alive, trying to depict himself as a part of an oppressed minority all the time - while he tried to bring a white rapper who said nigga (Bawston Strangla) into the game.... He's jealous because Em & Dre were faster and are now making infinite millions with that idea.
Hypo to the motherfucking crite and he's not even black, lol .. talking about double standards when Lethal Injection is considered a great west coast album.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So thats why Em sells millions of records, niggas like YOU believe that shiet. "He led the saddest life in human existence" WOW. Benzino is black, maybe half but still.
I wasnt tryna bring the racist shiet up, but, its sad how yall cats talk over that. Reguardless of who exposed the tape, it was still Eminem droppin the N bomb & sayin "Black girls are bitches". But yall so quick to make Em look good yall just say 'Benzino's just tryna make Em look bad'. Its amazing at what lenghts yall go to to make Eminem look like some innocent rapper who's just tryna make money.
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Use some common sense. If Em was really racist, he led the saddest life in human existence. Benzino is the biggest hyprocrite alive, trying to depict himself as a part of an oppressed minority all the time - while he tried to bring a white rapper who said nigga (Bawston Strangla) into the game.... He's jealous because Em & Dre were faster and are now making infinite millions with that idea.
Hypo to the motherfucking crite and he's not even black, lol .. talking about double standards when Lethal Injection is considered a great west coast album.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So thats why Em sells millions of records, niggas like YOU believe that shiet. "He led the saddest life in human existence" WOW. Benzino is black, maybe half but still.
I tell you that.. if I were to hang around people I generally dismiss all the time, I'd just hate life.. big time. Proof is a real friend of Em, Em hangs around black dudes ever since, produces hiphop since like forever, etc etc .. how the heck can he be racist? It's common sense that he aint.. I feel bad having to explain that shit. Let's say you hate Asian people, Baby G. Now would you watch Anime, practice Kung-Fu like fanatic, believe in Buddha and hang around Asian peeps all the time, when you at the same time hate Asian people just for the fact that they are Asian? That doesnt make sense.
I wasnt tryna bring the racist shiet up, but, its sad how yall cats talk over that. Reguardless of who exposed the tape, it was still Eminem droppin the N bomb & sayin "Black girls are bitches". But yall so quick to make Em look good yall just say 'Benzino's just tryna make Em look bad'. Its amazing at what lenghts yall go to to make Eminem look like some innocent rapper who's just tryna make money.
The Theme is not Em now, it's Benzino. Im not making any comment on the Tape as such, Im commenting on Benzino and what a undenyable hypocrite he is.
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Song is quite nice. Vid is decent.
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I wasnt tryna bring the racist shiet up, but, its sad how yall cats talk over that. Reguardless of who exposed the tape, it was still Eminem droppin the N bomb & sayin "Black girls are bitches". But yall so quick to make Em look good yall just say 'Benzino's just tryna make Em look bad'. Its amazing at what lenghts yall go to to make Eminem look like some innocent rapper who's just tryna make money.
dude.. you's a few months late
Em wasn't even being racist back when he did the tape it was a parody, they were clowning racists. Dude who gave the tape to the Source done cleared that up. He gave the tape to the source on the condition that they publish it with all the information on how and why it was done but they didn't do it. He has no reason to lie, if he just wanted to help Em he wouldn't have given it to the Source in the first place.
so yes, Benzino is just doin this to make Em look bad, nothin else.
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^ on point. it was Chaos Kid from memory
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I tell you that.. if I were to hang around people I generally dismiss all the time, I'd just hate life.. big time. Proof is a real friend of Em, Em hangs around black dudes ever since, produces hiphop since like forever, etc etc .. how the heck can he be racist? It's common sense that he aint.. I feel bad having to explain that shit. Let's say you hate Asian people, Baby G. Now would you watch Anime, practice Kung-Fu like fanatic, believe in Buddha and hang around Asian peeps all the time, when you at the same time hate Asian people just for the fact that they are Asian? That doesnt make sense.
That's exactly what I was thinking. For real, Eminem CAN'T be a racist. I sense some hating going on.
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LOL at eminem being racist. are you fucking retarded? look at his fuckin camp idiot. Did you hear what benzino was saying on hot 97 the other day? he was calling eminem a cracker and russel simmons a coon on live radio. so benzino can bring sumthin eminem did, and regrets thats over 15 years old and make a fuss about when hes on the fuckin radio talkin like a bigot hypocrite. plz
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where is this supposed black girlfriend of his, that he once had? i now see why eminem compared himself to elvis. they both got rich off of a black art form and neither of them liked blacks. eminem is a racist. he tried to apologize, save face, and act like someone above the age of 18 doesnt have any clue what they are doing, and no one in the black community accepted it. i knew all these white boys would come to his rescue. eminem can do no wrong to them.
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where is this supposed black girlfriend of his, that he once had? i now see why eminem compared himself to elvis. they both got rich off of a black art form and neither of them liked blacks. eminem is a racist. he tried to save face, and no one in the black community accepted it. i knew all these white boys would come to his rescue. eminem can do no wrong to them.
I see you are the kind of retard who will ignore what's right in front of his eyes but kid.. how can you seriously front on Em fans like this when you know the truth, I just can't put myself in your position it's absolutely beyond me so please explain: What gives you the motivation for making a comment like this when the complete opposite has just been proven
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where is this supposed black girlfriend of his, that he once had? i now see why eminem compared himself to elvis. they both got rich off of a black art form and neither of them liked blacks. eminem is a racist. he tried to apologize, save face, and act like someone above the age of 18 doesnt have any clue what they are doing, and no one in the black community accepted it. i knew all these white boys would come to his rescue. eminem can do no wrong to them.
Thank You!
The sad part is, it aint like the Eminem racist tape is a rumor that no ones heard. Everybody heard what he said and yall still take his side. And like smartass said, it doesnt matter if you're 15 or 51 - you know what racism is.
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why are ppl even arguing? The dude who's basement he was in while recording the track wrote into the source and stated the facts sayin what Em has been sayin is TRUE (he had the girlfriend, they were all joking around) and the source is talkin shit, how can people even argue it? Oh this guy is lyin too?
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Y'all are trippin off of a tape the dude made years ago when he was pissed off? You guys haven't said something you regret when you were pissed off?
I'm not saying it's right, but to judge him and call him a racist for saying nigger is hypocritical, unless you haven't used a racial slur, which I doubt.
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Y'all are trippin off of a tape the dude made years ago when he was pissed off? You guys haven't said something you regret when you were pissed off?
I'm not saying it's right, but to judge him and call him a racist for saying nigger is hypocritical, unless you haven't used a racial slur, which I doubt.
no kidding. they are just sounding like idiots calling em a racist when he clearly is not. i mean 98% of his friends are fuckin black if you beleive he is a racist your a fuckin retard. he made a mistake apologized and now its time to move on.
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LMAO
this has to be the worst thing ive ever seen...
and Baby G ur a fuckin moron i dont like benzino or eminem so dont call me a dickrider
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song is ok I suppose, intro is funny
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Just curious, did Hangmen 3 produce this? Beat is tight as hell.
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anyone have the track on good quality yet? post it up!!!
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why are ppl even arguing? The dude who's basement he was in while recording the track wrote into the source and stated the facts sayin what Em has been sayin is TRUE (he had the girlfriend, they were all joking around) and the source is talkin shit, how can people even argue it? Oh this guy is lyin too?
Eminem's old friend and DJ, Buttafingaz and his brother have the infamous tapes of Eminem calling blacks "Porch Monkey's" and "spear chucker"! And many more freestyles and tapes that THEY say make Foolish Pride look like a day in the park. And are holding out for more money to release the tracks. Plus all the people around Eminem when he made the racist tapes say "There was no black girlfriend". And that Eminem would participate in a routine "Racist Rap Hour" freestyle recording session surrounded by his WHITE FRIENDS. There were no blacks around that gave Eminem the "ok". Plus Eminem's ex security guard says after he was fired Eminem said to him "The Beef is on now" and called him a Nigg er. Also while in London Eminem was recorded saying the N word. And much more
Eminem recorded those freestyles with 3 individuals. The DJ had all the freestyles. And somehow Chaos Kid(the one who came out the sources office) got his hands on 1 of the tapes. The other two want money for the rest of the tapes. Chaos has heard the other tapes. And the other 2 have confirmed that there are more. But wouldn't relveal any more statements just that they have them. He says that the DJ was screwed over by Eminem and has a vendetta against him. Claims he was not getting credit for songs he produced such as "Renegade" and is currently taken legal actions against Eminem for that. Also they are the same people who had sold a old video of Eminem on ebay for $100,000. Showing him picking his nose with a MR T hair cut.
this is the same cat who said that he would never "say the n word", and yet the recording of him saying it in london? real. the racist tape? real. the eminem ebay video? real. eminem=racist, and i cant wait until these other tapes leak, so you eminem dickriders will shut the fuck up. then again, the puppet master(jiimmy iovine), has probably payed them off, to keep their mouths shut.
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why are ppl even arguing? The dude who's basement he was in while recording the track wrote into the source and stated the facts sayin what Em has been sayin is TRUE (he had the girlfriend, they were all joking around) and the source is talkin shit, how can people even argue it? Oh this guy is lyin too?
Eminem's old friend and DJ, Buttafingaz and his brother have the infamous tapes of Eminem calling blacks "Porch Monkey's" and "spear chucker"! And many more freestyles and tapes that THEY say make Foolish Pride look like a day in the park. And are holding out for more money to release the tracks. Plus all the people around Eminem when he made the racist tapes say "There was no black girlfriend". And that Eminem would participate in a routine "Racist Rap Hour" freestyle recording session surrounded by his WHITE FRIENDS. There were no blacks around that gave Eminem the "ok". Plus Eminem's ex security guard says after he was fired Eminem said to him "The Beef is on now" and called him a Nigg er. Also while in London Eminem was recorded saying the N word. And much more
Eminem recorded those freestyles with 3 individuals. The DJ had all the freestyles. And somehow Chaos Kid(the one who came out the sources office) got his hands on 1 of the tapes. The other two want money for the rest of the tapes. Chaos has heard the other tapes. And the other 2 have confirmed that there are more. But wouldn't relveal any more statements just that they have them. He says that the DJ was screwed over by Eminem and has a vendetta against him. Claims he was not getting credit for songs he produced such as "Renegade" and is currently taken legal actions against Eminem for that. Also they are the same people who had sold a old video of Eminem on ebay for $100,000. Showing him picking his nose with a MR T hair cut.
this is the same cat who said that he would never "say the n word", and yet the recording of him saying it in london? real. the racist tape? real. the eminem ebay video? real. eminem=racist, and i cant wait until these other tapes leak, so you eminem dickriders will shut the fuck up. then again, the puppet master(jiimmy iovine), has probably payed them off, to keep their mouths shut.
this is well known moron and as I already told you, this has been explained MONTHS ago by the cat who gave the first tape to the source (probably chaos kid). Those freestyle sessions had the purpose to be dumb and racist. You don't need the authorization of a black person to joke around and clown on racists just cause you say "nigger", LOL @ "There were no blacks around that gave Eminem the "ok". there's no need for no "ok" you gotta me kidding me. If someone makes a movie about racists and the script has loads of racist words against blacks in it he needs an ok from a black dude before he can do it ? the fuck outta here
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lol @ Baby G..no need to defend Benzino man..if ppl dont like his shit..they dont like his shit.....just like its ok for you to hate Eminem's shit
anywayz...anyone got the instrumentals?
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I don't know where to begin... to sum it up, this article is partly good, but the longer I think about it, it's mostly bad. You were concerned as to whether or not I feel you're article to be unbiased. Well, thank you for not portraying ME in a bad light but as far as maintaining an unbiased stance, you certainly failed. As a matter of fact, I am forced at this point to recognize that there are obviously some ulterior motives/personal hang-ups/political/racial agendas going on behind the scenes at The Source and this is making it impossible for you to present the issue of these tapes in a true light that would give a full spectrum of perspective. I am presenting a solution to this problem:
I will write a 'letter to the editor' which you will agree to print in the next issue of The Source which will present the most vital facts surrounding the issue of these tapes. I will do this as to give you an opportunity to present the WHOLE truth of the story BEFORE I go to other, larger publications and media sources, some of which, are bound to print the WHOLE truth. If you agree to print my 'letter to the editor' and I am satisfied with the way you print it (in other words, unedited) then I agree NOT to go to other publications with the truth. Let's review these facts I'm talking about and I'm sure you will agree that the most vital part of what I said was left out and how this could possibly damage the Source's credibility as being an unbiased, fair and accurate source of information:
1: Most importantly: YOU DID NOT GIVE THE BACKGROUND OF THE TAPE. Here are the facts which I specifically remember telling you REPEATEDLY in the interview as being the MOST IMPORTANT FACTS and REASON WHY I did the interview in the first place: 1) these songs were NOT WRITTEN - They were FREESTYLES. 2) This freestyle is one of the HUNDREDS OF FREESTYLES we did over the years. 3) The NAME of these freestyle sessions we called: SUCKERIN' RHYMES. 4) The WHOLE PURPOSE of Suckerin' Rhymes was to be as goofy/stupid/ignorant/wack as possible - to be a 'sucker M.C.' - hence the title: SUCKERIN' RHYMES. 5) The REASON WHY we did these freestyle sessions was so we could 1: TO HAVE A FUN TIME 2: TO LISTEN TO THE RECORDINGS AFTER WE WERE FINISHED AND LAUGH AT OURSELVES 3: TO WARM UP AND GET READY TO HAVE A REAL RECORDING SESSION WITH SONGS WE ACTUALLY HAD WRITTEN AND INTENDED TO RELEASE TO THE PUBLIC.
As you can see, if you were to present the tapes in THIS LIGHT, THE WAY I INTENDED IT TO BE, people would have a much more accurate and broader perspective by which to judge for themselves the motives and sentiments of Marshall Mathers when he recorded these songs. Here are some other CRUCIAL FACTS you left out:
2) Based on the above information, it is my BEST OPINION THAT MARSHALL MATHERS IS NOT A RACIST. ALTHOUGH THE SONGS WERE IN BAD TASTE, THEY WERE NOT INTENDED TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY OR EVEN HEARD AND DO NOT REPRESENT THE TRUE SENTIMENTS OF EMINEM.
3) Although you did mention that it was a 'joke', without the above information, this does nothing to put things in their proper perspective. Everone knows that someone can tell a racist joke and most likely the reason they're telling it in the first place is because they are racist!! BUT - when you take ALL of the information into consideration - the fact that these were: SUCKERIN' RHYMES AND THE PURPOSE WAS TO REPRESENT WACKNESS and my personal testimony that WE WERE THE VICTIMS OF BEING CALLED RACIST NAMES - '******', ETC.. FOR BEING INVOLVED IN HIP-HOP MUSIC BY IGNORANT-ASS WHITE PEOPLE AROUND US AND THAT THESE RECORDINGS IN MY OPINION WERE REPRESENTING THAT IGNORANT MENTALITY FROM A FIRST PERSON POINT OF VIEW BUT WAS SARCASTIC - NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY AS THE OPINIONS OF MARSHALL MATHERS, it puts things in a much different perspective. Example: an actor can play a racist character in a movie about, say, the horror of the Klan, but in real life that does not make him a racist. In fact, the reason WHY he probably did the movie in the first place is because he hated racism and wanted to expose the inhumanity and devastating effects of racist behavior!!
4) As we know however, these songs were freestyles, not written and did not have that kind of serious intention behind them as they were never meant to be heard in the first place. So, based on the above information, it is my BEST CONCLUSION THAT THESE SONGS WERE DONE OUT OF ANGER FROM EXPERIENCING WHITE RACISM AND UNDERSTANDING HOW IRRATIONAL, IGNORANT AND WACK IT IS AND SPEWING SOME OF THE VENOM BACK HE'S HEARD OVER THE YEARS - SOME OF IT DIRECTED AT HIM - ONTO THE MICROPHONE.
Another point I made in my interview which you neglected to report is:
5) In my personal experience with Marshall, during the time these recordings were made, HE NEVER USED THE WORD '******' OR ANY OTHER DEROGATORY NAMES OR MADE ANY DEROGATORY REMARKS ABOUT AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN CASUAL CONVERSATION WITH ME. In fact, we personally had conversations talking about how we hated racism and racists and both had REAL songs denouncing racism!!
Now, regarding some of the other 'facts' you got wrong:
6) Marshall did not move to Warren in his early teens. He lived in the city of Detroit. The Northeast side between 7 and 8 mile which is still predominantly black. He never lived in Warren. He would, however, frequently get kicked out by his crazy mom and would sometimes spend a few nights at a time in Warren between 8 and 9 mile at Manix and Buttafingaz' house. His girlfriend also lived in that area, so I assume he would spend some nights over there as well. However, most of the time his girlfriend would spend the night at HIS house in Detroit where he had his own room. He first went to a Detroit High School where he had some problems so for awhile he went to Lincoln High School between 8 and 9 mile in Warren. He did this by giving the school a false address within the school district. This is where he met Manix and D.J. Buttafingaz who were also attending Lincoln at the time. After awhile Lincoln High School found out that he wasn't a Warren resident however and he had to go back to Detroit schools where he attended once again for a period of time before being kicked out or dropping out (I don't remember which). All the music was recorded in Warren during this time over at Manix and Butta's house but Marshall DID live in Detroit.
7) MARSHALL DID NOT FORM BASSMINT PRODUCTIONS. IT WAS MANIX WHO CAME UP WITH THE NAME AND HE IS THE MAIN FOUNDER.
8) Going back to the tapes, I think it is important also to mention that THE FIRST VERSE OF 'FOOLISH PRIDE' IS ABOUT RACIAL UNITY!! Neglecting to report this fact is very shameful and again, shows a biased ulterior motive in presenting the story. You are not presenting the whole truth.
9) OK, as I'm looking at the article here, you did mention that they were freestyles, but without giving the history of the SUCKERIN' RHYME, this does nothing to put things in their proper perspective.
10) Some of the 'quotes' you used of mine seem pieced together. If it's not a direct quote from beginning to end, you should make your readers aware of that.
Overall, as I have said, a much better job could have been done. I don't know what kind of internal politics is going on at The Source which is forcing you to present things in this manner. However, as I have said, I will give you the opportunity to correct things. I would like to write a 'letter to the editor' which you will agree to print in the next issue of The Source clearing things up. If you do not agree to print it, I will be forced out of concern for THE TRUTH to go to other mainstream publications. I will also be forced to site as one of my reasons for going to them the irresponsible fashion in which The Source has 'reported' the issue. This is not a threat. This is the inevitable, natural consequence of irresponsible journalism. If you wish to correct the situation, please let me know within the week so I can make a responsible decision regarding my next course of action.
peAce, anarchy, equality, justice -
snAfu
aka
chAos Kid.
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I don't know where to begin... to sum it up, this article is partly good, but the longer I think about it, it's mostly bad. You were concerned as to whether or not I feel you're article to be unbiased. Well, thank you for not portraying ME in a bad light but as far as maintaining an unbiased stance, you certainly failed. As a matter of fact, I am forced at this point to recognize that there are obviously some ulterior motives/personal hang-ups/political/racial agendas going on behind the scenes at The Source and this is making it impossible for you to present the issue of these tapes in a true light that would give a full spectrum of perspective. I am presenting a solution to this problem:
I will write a 'letter to the editor' which you will agree to print in the next issue of The Source which will present the most vital facts surrounding the issue of these tapes. I will do this as to give you an opportunity to present the WHOLE truth of the story BEFORE I go to other, larger publications and media sources, some of which, are bound to print the WHOLE truth. If you agree to print my 'letter to the editor' and I am satisfied with the way you print it (in other words, unedited) then I agree NOT to go to other publications with the truth. Let's review these facts I'm talking about and I'm sure you will agree that the most vital part of what I said was left out and how this could possibly damage the Source's credibility as being an unbiased, fair and accurate source of information:
1: Most importantly: YOU DID NOT GIVE THE BACKGROUND OF THE TAPE. Here are the facts which I specifically remember telling you REPEATEDLY in the interview as being the MOST IMPORTANT FACTS and REASON WHY I did the interview in the first place: 1) these songs were NOT WRITTEN - They were FREESTYLES. 2) This freestyle is one of the HUNDREDS OF FREESTYLES we did over the years. 3) The NAME of these freestyle sessions we called: SUCKERIN' RHYMES. 4) The WHOLE PURPOSE of Suckerin' Rhymes was to be as goofy/stupid/ignorant/wack as possible - to be a 'sucker M.C.' - hence the title: SUCKERIN' RHYMES. 5) The REASON WHY we did these freestyle sessions was so we could 1: TO HAVE A FUN TIME 2: TO LISTEN TO THE RECORDINGS AFTER WE WERE FINISHED AND LAUGH AT OURSELVES 3: TO WARM UP AND GET READY TO HAVE A REAL RECORDING SESSION WITH SONGS WE ACTUALLY HAD WRITTEN AND INTENDED TO RELEASE TO THE PUBLIC.
As you can see, if you were to present the tapes in THIS LIGHT, THE WAY I INTENDED IT TO BE, people would have a much more accurate and broader perspective by which to judge for themselves the motives and sentiments of Marshall Mathers when he recorded these songs. Here are some other CRUCIAL FACTS you left out:
2) Based on the above information, it is my BEST OPINION THAT MARSHALL MATHERS IS NOT A RACIST. ALTHOUGH THE SONGS WERE IN BAD TASTE, THEY WERE NOT INTENDED TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY OR EVEN HEARD AND DO NOT REPRESENT THE TRUE SENTIMENTS OF EMINEM.
3) Although you did mention that it was a 'joke', without the above information, this does nothing to put things in their proper perspective. Everone knows that someone can tell a racist joke and most likely the reason they're telling it in the first place is because they are racist!! BUT - when you take ALL of the information into consideration - the fact that these were: SUCKERIN' RHYMES AND THE PURPOSE WAS TO REPRESENT WACKNESS and my personal testimony that WE WERE THE VICTIMS OF BEING CALLED RACIST NAMES - '******', ETC.. FOR BEING INVOLVED IN HIP-HOP MUSIC BY IGNORANT-ASS WHITE PEOPLE AROUND US AND THAT THESE RECORDINGS IN MY OPINION WERE REPRESENTING THAT IGNORANT MENTALITY FROM A FIRST PERSON POINT OF VIEW BUT WAS SARCASTIC - NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY AS THE OPINIONS OF MARSHALL MATHERS, it puts things in a much different perspective. Example: an actor can play a racist character in a movie about, say, the horror of the Klan, but in real life that does not make him a racist. In fact, the reason WHY he probably did the movie in the first place is because he hated racism and wanted to expose the inhumanity and devastating effects of racist behavior!!
4) As we know however, these songs were freestyles, not written and did not have that kind of serious intention behind them as they were never meant to be heard in the first place. So, based on the above information, it is my BEST CONCLUSION THAT THESE SONGS WERE DONE OUT OF ANGER FROM EXPERIENCING WHITE RACISM AND UNDERSTANDING HOW IRRATIONAL, IGNORANT AND WACK IT IS AND SPEWING SOME OF THE VENOM BACK HE'S HEARD OVER THE YEARS - SOME OF IT DIRECTED AT HIM - ONTO THE MICROPHONE.
Another point I made in my interview which you neglected to report is:
5) In my personal experience with Marshall, during the time these recordings were made, HE NEVER USED THE WORD '******' OR ANY OTHER DEROGATORY NAMES OR MADE ANY DEROGATORY REMARKS ABOUT AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN CASUAL CONVERSATION WITH ME. In fact, we personally had conversations talking about how we hated racism and racists and both had REAL songs denouncing racism!!
Now, regarding some of the other 'facts' you got wrong:
6) Marshall did not move to Warren in his early teens. He lived in the city of Detroit. The Northeast side between 7 and 8 mile which is still predominantly black. He never lived in Warren. He would, however, frequently get kicked out by his crazy mom and would sometimes spend a few nights at a time in Warren between 8 and 9 mile at Manix and Buttafingaz' house. His girlfriend also lived in that area, so I assume he would spend some nights over there as well. However, most of the time his girlfriend would spend the night at HIS house in Detroit where he had his own room. He first went to a Detroit High School where he had some problems so for awhile he went to Lincoln High School between 8 and 9 mile in Warren. He did this by giving the school a false address within the school district. This is where he met Manix and D.J. Buttafingaz who were also attending Lincoln at the time. After awhile Lincoln High School found out that he wasn't a Warren resident however and he had to go back to Detroit schools where he attended once again for a period of time before being kicked out or dropping out (I don't remember which). All the music was recorded in Warren during this time over at Manix and Butta's house but Marshall DID live in Detroit.
7) MARSHALL DID NOT FORM BASSMINT PRODUCTIONS. IT WAS MANIX WHO CAME UP WITH THE NAME AND HE IS THE MAIN FOUNDER.
8) Going back to the tapes, I think it is important also to mention that THE FIRST VERSE OF 'FOOLISH PRIDE' IS ABOUT RACIAL UNITY!! Neglecting to report this fact is very shameful and again, shows a biased ulterior motive in presenting the story. You are not presenting the whole truth.
9) OK, as I'm looking at the article here, you did mention that they were freestyles, but without giving the history of the SUCKERIN' RHYME, this does nothing to put things in their proper perspective.
10) Some of the 'quotes' you used of mine seem pieced together. If it's not a direct quote from beginning to end, you should make your readers aware of that.
Overall, as I have said, a much better job could have been done. I don't know what kind of internal politics is going on at The Source which is forcing you to present things in this manner. However, as I have said, I will give you the opportunity to correct things. I would like to write a 'letter to the editor' which you will agree to print in the next issue of The Source clearing things up. If you do not agree to print it, I will be forced out of concern for THE TRUTH to go to other mainstream publications. I will also be forced to site as one of my reasons for going to them the irresponsible fashion in which The Source has 'reported' the issue. This is not a threat. This is the inevitable, natural consequence of irresponsible journalism. If you wish to correct the situation, please let me know within the week so I can make a responsible decision regarding my next course of action.
peAce, anarchy, equality, justice -
snAfu
aka
chAos Kid.
first off, nothing about racism is funny, and being ignorant is not automatically wack. he basically says because people were, "being racist towards them", they thought it would be ok to do it back?. hey eminem and crew, what were you, 5 years old when you recorded these? hmmm actually now that i think about it, you were a teenager, who, by then, is smart enough to realize what you're doing. i find it even more ironic how eminem knows what hes going to "freestyle" about before he spits it.
secondly, chaos kid doesn't speak for eminem. i guess im the only one who found it funny how eminem apologized 2 times, and never once did he mention anything about it being a joke.
and i quote:"The tape they played today was something I made out of anger, stupidity and frustration when I was a teenager," he said. "I'd just broken up with my girlfriend, who was African-American, and I reacted like the angry, stupid kid I was.
finally, the fact still remains...where is this blond hair, blue-eyed, african american girl named kim?
eminem should write for disney.
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I don't know where to begin... to sum it up, this article is partly good, but the longer I think about it, it's mostly bad. You were concerned as to whether or not I feel you're article to be unbiased. Well, thank you for not portraying ME in a bad light but as far as maintaining an unbiased stance, you certainly failed. As a matter of fact, I am forced at this point to recognize that there are obviously some ulterior motives/personal hang-ups/political/racial agendas going on behind the scenes at The Source and this is making it impossible for you to present the issue of these tapes in a true light that would give a full spectrum of perspective. I am presenting a solution to this problem:
I will write a 'letter to the editor' which you will agree to print in the next issue of The Source which will present the most vital facts surrounding the issue of these tapes. I will do this as to give you an opportunity to present the WHOLE truth of the story BEFORE I go to other, larger publications and media sources, some of which, are bound to print the WHOLE truth. If you agree to print my 'letter to the editor' and I am satisfied with the way you print it (in other words, unedited) then I agree NOT to go to other publications with the truth. Let's review these facts I'm talking about and I'm sure you will agree that the most vital part of what I said was left out and how this could possibly damage the Source's credibility as being an unbiased, fair and accurate source of information:
1: Most importantly: YOU DID NOT GIVE THE BACKGROUND OF THE TAPE. Here are the facts which I specifically remember telling you REPEATEDLY in the interview as being the MOST IMPORTANT FACTS and REASON WHY I did the interview in the first place: 1) these songs were NOT WRITTEN - They were FREESTYLES. 2) This freestyle is one of the HUNDREDS OF FREESTYLES we did over the years. 3) The NAME of these freestyle sessions we called: SUCKERIN' RHYMES. 4) The WHOLE PURPOSE of Suckerin' Rhymes was to be as goofy/stupid/ignorant/wack as possible - to be a 'sucker M.C.' - hence the title: SUCKERIN' RHYMES. 5) The REASON WHY we did these freestyle sessions was so we could 1: TO HAVE A FUN TIME 2: TO LISTEN TO THE RECORDINGS AFTER WE WERE FINISHED AND LAUGH AT OURSELVES 3: TO WARM UP AND GET READY TO HAVE A REAL RECORDING SESSION WITH SONGS WE ACTUALLY HAD WRITTEN AND INTENDED TO RELEASE TO THE PUBLIC.
As you can see, if you were to present the tapes in THIS LIGHT, THE WAY I INTENDED IT TO BE, people would have a much more accurate and broader perspective by which to judge for themselves the motives and sentiments of Marshall Mathers when he recorded these songs. Here are some other CRUCIAL FACTS you left out:
2) Based on the above information, it is my BEST OPINION THAT MARSHALL MATHERS IS NOT A RACIST. ALTHOUGH THE SONGS WERE IN BAD TASTE, THEY WERE NOT INTENDED TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY OR EVEN HEARD AND DO NOT REPRESENT THE TRUE SENTIMENTS OF EMINEM.
3) Although you did mention that it was a 'joke', without the above information, this does nothing to put things in their proper perspective. Everone knows that someone can tell a racist joke and most likely the reason they're telling it in the first place is because they are racist!! BUT - when you take ALL of the information into consideration - the fact that these were: SUCKERIN' RHYMES AND THE PURPOSE WAS TO REPRESENT WACKNESS and my personal testimony that WE WERE THE VICTIMS OF BEING CALLED RACIST NAMES - '******', ETC.. FOR BEING INVOLVED IN HIP-HOP MUSIC BY IGNORANT-ASS WHITE PEOPLE AROUND US AND THAT THESE RECORDINGS IN MY OPINION WERE REPRESENTING THAT IGNORANT MENTALITY FROM A FIRST PERSON POINT OF VIEW BUT WAS SARCASTIC - NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY AS THE OPINIONS OF MARSHALL MATHERS, it puts things in a much different perspective. Example: an actor can play a racist character in a movie about, say, the horror of the Klan, but in real life that does not make him a racist. In fact, the reason WHY he probably did the movie in the first place is because he hated racism and wanted to expose the inhumanity and devastating effects of racist behavior!!
4) As we know however, these songs were freestyles, not written and did not have that kind of serious intention behind them as they were never meant to be heard in the first place. So, based on the above information, it is my BEST CONCLUSION THAT THESE SONGS WERE DONE OUT OF ANGER FROM EXPERIENCING WHITE RACISM AND UNDERSTANDING HOW IRRATIONAL, IGNORANT AND WACK IT IS AND SPEWING SOME OF THE VENOM BACK HE'S HEARD OVER THE YEARS - SOME OF IT DIRECTED AT HIM - ONTO THE MICROPHONE.
Another point I made in my interview which you neglected to report is:
5) In my personal experience with Marshall, during the time these recordings were made, HE NEVER USED THE WORD '******' OR ANY OTHER DEROGATORY NAMES OR MADE ANY DEROGATORY REMARKS ABOUT AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN CASUAL CONVERSATION WITH ME. In fact, we personally had conversations talking about how we hated racism and racists and both had REAL songs denouncing racism!!
Now, regarding some of the other 'facts' you got wrong:
6) Marshall did not move to Warren in his early teens. He lived in the city of Detroit. The Northeast side between 7 and 8 mile which is still predominantly black. He never lived in Warren. He would, however, frequently get kicked out by his crazy mom and would sometimes spend a few nights at a time in Warren between 8 and 9 mile at Manix and Buttafingaz' house. His girlfriend also lived in that area, so I assume he would spend some nights over there as well. However, most of the time his girlfriend would spend the night at HIS house in Detroit where he had his own room. He first went to a Detroit High School where he had some problems so for awhile he went to Lincoln High School between 8 and 9 mile in Warren. He did this by giving the school a false address within the school district. This is where he met Manix and D.J. Buttafingaz who were also attending Lincoln at the time. After awhile Lincoln High School found out that he wasn't a Warren resident however and he had to go back to Detroit schools where he attended once again for a period of time before being kicked out or dropping out (I don't remember which). All the music was recorded in Warren during this time over at Manix and Butta's house but Marshall DID live in Detroit.
7) MARSHALL DID NOT FORM BASSMINT PRODUCTIONS. IT WAS MANIX WHO CAME UP WITH THE NAME AND HE IS THE MAIN FOUNDER.
8) Going back to the tapes, I think it is important also to mention that THE FIRST VERSE OF 'FOOLISH PRIDE' IS ABOUT RACIAL UNITY!! Neglecting to report this fact is very shameful and again, shows a biased ulterior motive in presenting the story. You are not presenting the whole truth.
9) OK, as I'm looking at the article here, you did mention that they were freestyles, but without giving the history of the SUCKERIN' RHYME, this does nothing to put things in their proper perspective.
10) Some of the 'quotes' you used of mine seem pieced together. If it's not a direct quote from beginning to end, you should make your readers aware of that.
Overall, as I have said, a much better job could have been done. I don't know what kind of internal politics is going on at The Source which is forcing you to present things in this manner. However, as I have said, I will give you the opportunity to correct things. I would like to write a 'letter to the editor' which you will agree to print in the next issue of The Source clearing things up. If you do not agree to print it, I will be forced out of concern for THE TRUTH to go to other mainstream publications. I will also be forced to site as one of my reasons for going to them the irresponsible fashion in which The Source has 'reported' the issue. This is not a threat. This is the inevitable, natural consequence of irresponsible journalism. If you wish to correct the situation, please let me know within the week so I can make a responsible decision regarding my next course of action.
peAce, anarchy, equality, justice -
snAfu
aka
chAos Kid.
first off, nothing about racism is funny, and being ignorant is not automatically wack. he basically says because people were, "being racist towards them", they thought it would be ok to do it back?. hey eminem and crew, what were you, 5 years old when you recorded these? hmmm actually now that i think about it, you were a teenager, who, by then, is smart enough to realize what you're doing. i find it even more ironic how eminem knows what hes going to "freestyle" about before he spits it.
secondly, chaos kid doesn't speak for eminem. i guess im the only one who found it funny how eminem apologized 2 times, and never once did he mention anything about it being a joke.
and i quote:"The tape they played today was something I made out of anger, stupidity and frustration when I was a teenager," he said. "I'd just broken up with my girlfriend, who was African-American, and I reacted like the angry, stupid kid I was.
finally, the fact still remains...where is this blond hair, blue-eyed, african american girl named kim?
eminem should write for disney.
Sarcasm--Ima SHADY DRONE And I think u suck for saying what u saying cuz its something against EM that ur saying---sarcasm off.. em can get away with everything he wants to say and wants to do Thats hiphop now he got enough white folks to support him even peeps who put londsdale and all those "gabber-hardcore-whateva" clothes that dont listen to hiphop... buy em shit..... and yes I know... Not that I got a problem with it... aslong music thats good for ma ears spin...