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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: topshotta on January 19, 2005, 12:00:50 AM
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Eminem is the most over-rated producer in hip-hop right now.. Interscope/Aftermath
must be using him as a selling trick to push more records. On some of his first productions
like "renagade" on jigga's blueprint vol1 and more recent "patiently waiting" with 50, it came
out nice but then he's made like 20 songs that are quite tasteless, like all he did on 2pacs
"loyal to the game", some of the obie trice-joints, d12world, encore just to name a few!
Like Dre should stick to producing, Em should stick to rappin and stop releasing these lame beats..
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my boy was playin that "Loyal 2 the Game" album at his house on monday - man you used the right word: tasteless. I dont know who told him those beats were good but wow that album is complete garbage.
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Yup, I think most of us have said it before... Dude needs to be told the truth about his productions, and then he needs to QUIT it. I even wonder about his rapping skills these days... He might as well just retire from the game, before ruining any more records ::)
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Overrated? No I don't think so. Noone likes him.
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He should just steal old melodies and riffs from the 70s like every other hip hop producer does and all of a sudden people will think he's gotten better. Explain to me why Dre stealing a top notch bass line and a riff, and having his musicians re-record it, makes him more talented than Eminem working with his musicians to create a sub par bass line and riff. It's either Em's crappy talent or Dre's no talent. Either one is fine with me. When I want to listen to good instrumentals I'll pop in some Bach, or Jimmy Page if I'm in a raw mood.
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said it before, and ill say it again.
swizz beats>eminem
worst producer ever.
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Overrated? No I don't think so. Noone likes him.
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There all so damn bland now. Outside of a few shit he did on the side, the only production I was feelin by Em was on The Em Show. But that shit got old now.
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only production i like from eminem is Nas - The cross
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renegade and 8 miles and running were dope beats
warrior pt 2 was average
the rest have been pretty crap ass
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hes ok coulda done better for his own album tho
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He should just steal old melodies and riffs from the 70s like every other hip hop producer does and all of a sudden people will think he's gotten better. Explain to me why Dre stealing a top notch bass line and a riff, and having his musicians re-record it, makes him more talented than Eminem working with his musicians to create a sub par bass line and riff. It's either Em's crappy talent or Dre's no talent. Either one is fine with me. When I want to listen to good instrumentals I'll pop in some Bach, or Jimmy Page if I'm in a raw mood.
why re-invent the wheel? :P
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Nelly is underrated when it comes to Rap.
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He should just steal old melodies and riffs from the 70s like every other hip hop producer does and all of a sudden people will think he's gotten better. Explain to me why Dre stealing a top notch bass line and a riff, and having his musicians re-record it, makes him more talented than Eminem working with his musicians to create a sub par bass line and riff. It's either Em's crappy talent or Dre's no talent. Either one is fine with me. When I want to listen to good instrumentals I'll pop in some Bach, or Jimmy Page if I'm in a raw mood.
why re-invent the wheel? :P
I'm not quite following you here. I said Em should just resort to talentless methods of "creating" music instead of trying to compose himself.
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He should just steal old melodies and riffs from the 70s like every other hip hop producer does and all of a sudden people will think he's gotten better. Explain to me why Dre stealing a top notch bass line and a riff, and having his musicians re-record it, makes him more talented than Eminem working with his musicians to create a sub par bass line and riff. It's either Em's crappy talent or Dre's no talent. Either one is fine with me. When I want to listen to good instrumentals I'll pop in some Bach, or Jimmy Page if I'm in a raw mood.
why re-invent the wheel? :P
I'm not quite following you here. I said Em should just resort to talentless methods of "creating" music instead of trying to compose himself.
Say what you want, but it all boils down to whether the beat is dope or not. Dre is dependable and Em ain't. You can argue about talent, but as a comsumer, I could care less.
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He should just steal old melodies and riffs from the 70s like every other hip hop producer does and all of a sudden people will think he's gotten better. Explain to me why Dre stealing a top notch bass line and a riff, and having his musicians re-record it, makes him more talented than Eminem working with his musicians to create a sub par bass line and riff. It's either Em's crappy talent or Dre's no talent. Either one is fine with me. When I want to listen to good instrumentals I'll pop in some Bach, or Jimmy Page if I'm in a raw mood.
why re-invent the wheel? :P
I'm not quite following you here. I said Em should just resort to talentless methods of "creating" music instead of trying to compose himself.
Say what you want, but it all boils down to whether the beat is dope or not. Dre is dependable and Em ain't. You can argue about talent, but as a comsumer, I could care less.
Who has a problem with it? Not me. I can claim it takes very little musical talent to steal and loop and still like it. I just said Em should just take like Dre does thus making his instrumentals better, because it's a real musician composing them. Em is not a real musician, he just pretends to be. Dre isn't either, but he knows that and decides to buy from real musicians. People just give him too much credit as far as a creator. He's got a good ear. Maybe if Em took like Dre did then Em's beats would greatly improve. I'm not putting down Dre. I just don't consider him a musical talent, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't either. He's a great producer, but a shitty composer.
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He should just steal old melodies and riffs from the 70s like every other hip hop producer does and all of a sudden people will think he's gotten better. Explain to me why Dre stealing a top notch bass line and a riff, and having his musicians re-record it, makes him more talented than Eminem working with his musicians to create a sub par bass line and riff. It's either Em's crappy talent or Dre's no talent. Either one is fine with me. When I want to listen to good instrumentals I'll pop in some Bach, or Jimmy Page if I'm in a raw mood.
why re-invent the wheel? :P
I'm not quite following you here. I said Em should just resort to talentless methods of "creating" music instead of trying to compose himself.
Say what you want, but it all boils down to whether the beat is dope or not. Dre is dependable and Em ain't. You can argue about talent, but as a comsumer, I could care less.
Who has a problem with it? Not me. I can claim it takes very little musical talent to steal and loop and still like it. I just said Em should just take like Dre does thus making his instrumentals better, because it's a real musician composing them. Em is not a real musician, he just pretends to be. Dre isn't either, but he knows that and decides to buy from real musicians. People just give him too much credit as far as a creator. He's got a good ear. Maybe if Em took like Dre did then Em's beats would greatly improve. I'm not putting down Dre. I just don't consider him a musical talent, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't either. He's a great producer, but a shitty composer.
My Bad, I feel what your sayin.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^
No worries. I can see why you'd think I was insulting Dre.
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i find it funny....no wait commical how people here say eminem is a horrible producer yet LOOOOOVE daz and battlecat. i ain't saying eminem is dr. dre or nothing but he's not even a fifth as bad as y'all make him out to be....some of y'all need to take up an instrument or a music class
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i find it funny....no wait commical how people here say eminem is a horrible producer yet LOOOOOVE daz and battlecat. i ain't saying eminem is dr. dre or nothing but he's not even a fifth as bad as y'all make him out to be....some of y'all need to take up an instrument or a music class
dont compare eminem to daz ever again, you fucking clown.
dogg food and retaliation revenge and get back>eminems shitty repetitive same snare and bass beats
shit, rockwilder has the same repetitive style and even his production is better than eminem.
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i find it funny....no wait commical how people here say eminem is a horrible producer yet LOOOOOVE daz and battlecat. i ain't saying eminem is dr. dre or nothing but he's not even a fifth as bad as y'all make him out to be....some of y'all need to take up an instrument or a music class
dont compare eminem to daz ever again, you fucking clown.
dogg food and retaliation revenge and get back>eminems shitty repetitive same snare and bass beats
shit, rockwilder has the same repetitive style and even his production is better than eminem.
watch out this guy knows REAL music....rockwilder and daz dillinger,lol
dude c'mon i ain't saying em is the best but he's certainly ALOT better musically than some of y'all heros
lose yourself>daz/rockwilders' whole career
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I'ma agree with this topic, Em's producing is weak. I really don't like what he did to Pac's album at all, i think he fucked up the cd worse then what Afeni let other ppl do. I think he is dope as a Rapper but complete crap as a Producer straight up!!
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dude c'mon i ain't saying em is the best but he's certainly ALOT better musically than some of y'all heros
lose yourself>daz/rockwilders' whole career
I thought we were talking about Eminem's whole producer C.V. here. You're right, Lose yourself is one good track by Eminem but you can't name 5 other good productions that good by him.
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Overrated? No I don't think so. Noone likes him.
i agree with that....
how can someone be overrated when no one likes him?
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Overrated? No I don't think so. Noone likes him.
i agree with that....
how can someone be overrated when no one likes him?
Sadly enough, he's well appreciated by the fans of pop music and once his name appears on an album, listed as one of the producers, suddenly everyone wants that album :(
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dude c'mon i ain't saying em is the best but he's certainly ALOT better musically than some of y'all heros
lose yourself>daz/rockwilders' whole career
5 good songs produced by em...ha easy
8 mile
patiently waiting
white america
cleaning out my closet
superman
I thought we were talking about Eminem's whole producer C.V. here. You're right, Lose yourself is one good track by Eminem but you can't name 5 other good productions that good by him.
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i find it funny....no wait commical how people here say eminem is a horrible producer yet LOOOOOVE daz and battlecat. i ain't saying eminem is dr. dre or nothing but he's not even a fifth as bad as y'all make him out to be....some of y'all need to take up an instrument or a music class
dont compare eminem to daz ever again, you fucking clown.
dogg food and retaliation revenge and get back>eminems shitty repetitive same snare and bass beats
shit, rockwilder has the same repetitive style and even his production is better than eminem.
watch out this guy knows REAL music....rockwilder and daz dillinger,lol
dude c'mon i ain't saying em is the best but he's certainly ALOT better musically than some of y'all heros
lose yourself>daz/rockwilders' whole career
the ramblings of a defeated homosexual. this thread is about production, you blind dickrider.
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u mean em got fans of his production outside his groupies??? he makes a nice beat now n agen but wack comes naturally to him
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Hes overrated as a rapper and producer because hes white.
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hater!!!
thats good you think he is overated but guess what his bank account aint overated that muh fuckah is rakin aftermath and shady got it locked
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hater!!!
thats good you think he is overated but guess what his bank account aint overated that muh fuckah is rakin aftermath and shady got it locked
another great example of a dickrider^
since when are you getting any of his money?
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some of daz beats r shit some r amazin its like that wit most producers but eminem beats sound the same and get so dull coz there the same beats over and over besides Luis Resto probably does most of tha work
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Hes overrated as a rapper and producer because hes white.
I'd actually say it's rather the opposite, unless we are talking about 13 year old girls now.
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Hes overrated as a rapper and producer because hes white.
I'd actually say it's rather the opposite, unless we are talking about 13 year old girls now.
Well most of his fans are my age and mostly white females.
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Hes overrated as a rapper and producer because hes white.
I'd actually say it's rather the opposite, unless we are talking about 13 year old girls now.
Well most of his fans are my age and mostly white females.
Yea.. but I only take people who actually know at least a little about rap-music into consideration.. and when it comes to these people, he's far from favored because of his skin.
You could argue that he sells insane numbers because he's white, but then we are at it again with those white girls that are your age.
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everyone knows he woulnt be sellin half as much if he was black
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everyone knows he woulnt be sellin half as much if he was black
And every black artist that breaks 3 platinum wouldn't sell 1/3 of what they sold if they didn't appeal to whites. The is Eminem hbottom line as talent and an ability to sell. It's not just because he's white. If that were the case then Bubba Sparks would be 8 platinum. Vanilla Ice would have kept going after one album. Dilated would be known outside the hip hop underground. 3rd Bass would be as remembered as the Beasties. Well Bubba never went 8 platinum or anywhere close to it. Vanilla Ice was a one hit wonder. Dilated is unknown to the masses. And 3rd Bass is forgotten about. Explain why.
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he's an ok producer he has some good beats like Out On Bail, Warrior 2, Lose Yourself, Renegade, Cleaning Out My Closet, Average Man, Till I Collapse and some others
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Eminem has 3 good beats, Don't Approach Me from Xzibit's album, Nas's Carrying the Cross and that 2pac/Biggie song with the sped up sample, I can't remember the name of it. Everything else he's done has been awful. That Xzibit track, I honestly think Dre was looking over his shoulder the whole time making sure he didn't fuck it up since that song actually sounds somewhat musical.
Lol at whoever said he's better than Daz or Battlecat. Yall got to be kidding me with that.
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His shyt sounds all the same to me and i think hes totally whack.
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Em is like another lil jon but I think lil jon still makes better records than Em
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everyone knows he woulnt be sellin half as much if he was black
And every black artist that breaks 3 platinum wouldn't sell 1/3 of what they sold if they didn't appeal to whites. The is Eminem hbottom line as talent and an ability to sell. It's not just because he's white. If that were the case then Bubba Sparks would be 8 platinum. Vanilla Ice would have kept going after one album. Dilated would be known outside the hip hop underground. 3rd Bass would be as remembered as the Beasties. Well Bubba never went 8 platinum or anywhere close to it. Vanilla Ice was a one hit wonder. Dilated is unknown to the masses. And 3rd Bass is forgotten about. Explain why.
lol u gotta get off ems nuts, i didnt say whiteboy aint got talent, what you readin?......i said he woudltn have even sold half if he was black.....its fact........dre probably would have never signed him and niggaz would be sayin "how come cats like eminem cant sell n 50 can?" but cuz he white........he sellin more than anyone.......he got talent no doubt.....but its cuz his white he sellin more than anyone......i could say loads of shit to explain how thats true but aint no point, anyone with half a brain knows....he got skills....
anyway imma bump coon picnic,haha
pz
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everyone knows he woulnt be sellin half as much if he was black
And every black artist that breaks 3 platinum wouldn't sell 1/3 of what they sold if they didn't appeal to whites. The is Eminem hbottom line as talent and an ability to sell. It's not just because he's white. If that were the case then Bubba Sparks would be 8 platinum. Vanilla Ice would have kept going after one album. Dilated would be known outside the hip hop underground. 3rd Bass would be as remembered as the Beasties. Well Bubba never went 8 platinum or anywhere close to it. Vanilla Ice was a one hit wonder. Dilated is unknown to the masses. And 3rd Bass is forgotten about. Explain why.
lol u gotta get off ems nuts, i didnt say whiteboy aint got talent, what you readin?......i said he woudltn have even sold half if he was black.....its fact........dre probably would have never signed him and niggaz would be sayin "how come cats like eminem cant sell n 50 can?" but cuz he white........he sellin more than anyone.......he got talent no doubt.....but its cuz his white he sellin more than anyone......i could say loads of shit to explain how thats true but aint no point, anyone with half a brain knows....he got skills....
anyway imma bump coon picnic,haha
pz
I agreed that his connection with white kids is why he sells. All I wanted to point out was that is the same reason Nelly, 50, and Jay Z in 98 sold records. They connected with white kids and broke 5 platinum. I only mentioned the other white acts because I wanted to show it was more than skill or colour that sells records. It's a connection with the group that buys the albums, and in the case of hip hop (and just about any other genre) it's white teenagers. Shaniah Twain is a notable exception. She's went diamond three times in a row now and her fan base consists more of older women.
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i find it funny....no wait commical how people here say eminem is a horrible producer yet LOOOOOVE daz and battlecat. i ain't saying eminem is dr. dre or nothing but he's not even a fifth as bad as y'all make him out to be....some of y'all need to take up an instrument or a music class
dont compare eminem to daz ever again, you fucking clown.
dogg food and retaliation revenge and get back>eminems shitty repetitive same snare and bass beats
shit, rockwilder has the same repetitive style and even his production is better than eminem.
watch out this guy knows REAL music....rockwilder and daz dillinger,lol
dude c'mon i ain't saying em is the best but he's certainly ALOT better musically than some of y'all heros
lose yourself>daz/rockwilders' whole career
the ramblings of a defeated homosexual. this thread is about production, you blind dickrider.
^ a wise man once said "if you have to make personal attacks on someone during a disagreement or argument....you lost the argument"
i don't even really like eminem all that much BUT i'll definately give him my props.............when you learn to analyze music you learn to seperate personal bias from the observed quality, learn some musical theory then come back and talk shit about eminem's production style. Until then you're just as foolish as some one saying the beatles suck.
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Don`t make a fool of yourself, you don`t got to have musical theory to know good music. The most important thing about music is melody. Without a good melody you don`t even have a fucking song! Allmost all Eminem melody`s sound the same. The same boring, messy, cheesy, depressed shit over and over again. That`s the main reason why he sucks. I could get into many other things like the drum programing, producing and executing the track, but it`s no point anyway becouse I honestly think people are deaf to his music, and in love with his image.
By the way Jake, I`m studying music-production at a multimedia school, so by your rules I can talk as much shit as I want about his production ;D 8)
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eminem sells because, hes controversial, skilled, white, and has poppy singles.
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Don`t make a fool of yourself, you don`t got to have musical theory to know good music. The most important thing about music is melody. Without a good melody you don`t even have a fucking song! Allmost all Eminem melody`s sound the same. The same boring, messy, cheesy, depressed shit over and over again. That`s the main reason why he sucks. I could get into many other things like the drum programing, producing and executing the track, but it`s no point anyway becouse I honestly think people are deaf to his music, and in love with his image.
By the way Jake, I`m studying music-production at a multimedia school, so by your rules I can talk as much shit as I want about his production ;D 8)
But 95 out of 100 times no rap producer composes the melody, they just sample and loop it or have it replayed by studio musicians after they find an old melody from another record.
Take "Nigga Wit A gun" by Dre, and "Pass The Mic" by the Beasties. They both have the exact same melody. Chronic came out a couple months before Check Your Head. It was a case of two different rap acts using the same sample at about the same time. I could steal melodies from 70s funk, but that doesn't make me a good producer.
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he got some hot shyt sometimes but its like he is not as talented to produce a Pac album...50 Cent that would be more like it...when he works with other artist its usually an empty track Nas "the cross", Redman "I C Dead People" empty beats dope loops but it sounds like they were never mixed..its like MTV, XXL, VIBE, write him off as a dope producer and no one goes against the grain and says its wack when it is sometimes, look at "Encore" everyone knows its wack as fuck but evryone owns a copy, and lies about having it, peeps get gassed up with controversy not music....
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^ i dont own a copy, and im ebaresed to say its on my ipod tho.. i downloaded it..
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i find it funny....no wait commical how people here say eminem is a horrible producer yet LOOOOOVE daz and battlecat. i ain't saying eminem is dr. dre or nothing but he's not even a fifth as bad as y'all make him out to be....some of y'all need to take up an instrument or a music class
dont compare eminem to daz ever again, you fucking clown.
dogg food and retaliation revenge and get back>eminems shitty repetitive same snare and bass beats
shit, rockwilder has the same repetitive style and even his production is better than eminem.
watch out this guy knows REAL music....rockwilder and daz dillinger,lol
dude c'mon i ain't saying em is the best but he's certainly ALOT better musically than some of y'all heros
lose yourself>daz/rockwilders' whole career
the ramblings of a defeated homosexual. this thread is about production, you blind dickrider.
^ a wise man once said "if you have to make personal attacks on someone during a disagreement or argument....you lost the argument"
i don't even really like eminem all that much BUT i'll definately give him my props.............when you learn to analyze music you learn to seperate personal bias from the observed quality, learn some musical theory then come back and talk shit about eminem's production style. Until then you're just as foolish as some one saying the beatles suck.
you already lost, kid. you tried to make the thread about something completely different(true sign of a dickrider), now that you think i "slipped up", you are going to try and bring it back to production. lol @ analyze music, i dont have to analyze shit when he uses the same snare and dark bass in 99% of his tracks, not to mention the fact that he cant layer for shit. another idiot speaking on something they know nothing about...if you never used an mpc in your life, dont even speak on this topic, for real. the only good track he ever did was the thing for 2pac and biggie, and you know why he did that? he found a good vocal sample to use, and he raised the pitch, yet he still used the same tired bass. wow, great producer!!!! hes gnarly duuuuuuuuude
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I believe that Em's got some talent as a producer, I've enjoyed a few of his beats, but I definitely agree that whatever style he's been trying to develop is getting way too repetitive. Every now and then, he produces some hot material, but it's not like he keeps getting better and better. For him, it's pretty much 'hit or miss'.
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i find it funny....no wait commical how people here say eminem is a horrible producer yet LOOOOOVE daz and battlecat. i ain't saying eminem is dr. dre or nothing but he's not even a fifth as bad as y'all make him out to be....some of y'all need to take up an instrument or a music class
dont compare eminem to daz ever again, you fucking clown.
dogg food and retaliation revenge and get back>eminems shitty repetitive same snare and bass beats
shit, rockwilder has the same repetitive style and even his production is better than eminem.
watch out this guy knows REAL music....rockwilder and daz dillinger,lol
dude c'mon i ain't saying em is the best but he's certainly ALOT better musically than some of y'all heros
lose yourself>daz/rockwilders' whole career
the ramblings of a defeated homosexual. this thread is about production, you blind dickrider.
^ a wise man once said "if you have to make personal attacks on someone during a disagreement or argument....you lost the argument"
i don't even really like eminem all that much BUT i'll definately give him my props.............when you learn to analyze music you learn to seperate personal bias from the observed quality, learn some musical theory then come back and talk shit about eminem's production style. Until then you're just as foolish as some one saying the beatles suck.
you already lost, kid. you tried to make the thread about something completely different(true sign of a dickrider), now that you think i "slipped up", you are going to try and bring it back to production. lol @ analyze music, i dont have to analyze shit when he uses the same snare and dark bass in 99% of his tracks, not to mention the fact that he cant layer for shit. another idiot speaking on something they know nothing about...if you never used an mpc in your life, dont even speak on this topic, for real. the only good track he ever did was the thing for 2pac and biggie, and you know why he did that? he found a good vocal sample to use, and he raised the pitch, yet he still used the same tired bass. wow, great producer!!!! hes gnarly duuuuuuuuude
You didn't like Renegade? I personally think all hip hop producers are worth less, Eminem included, but Renegade is just as good as Running. If the Music industry is American Basket Ball, then hip hop producers are towl boys on community college teams. Any dickhead gopher in any studio in the country, big or small, could do what hip hop producers do.
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^ Ok.. so proove it.. make a beat..
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^ Ok.. so proove it.. make a beat..
I don't work in a professional studio. If I had the equipment even I could sample some old tunes and make beats.
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he got some hot shyt sometimes but its like he is not as talented to produce a Pac album...50 Cent that would be more like it...when he works with other artist its usually an empty track Nas "the cross", Redman "I C Dead People" empty beats dope loops but it sounds like they were never mixed..its like MTV, XXL, VIBE, write him off as a dope producer and no one goes against the grain and says its wack when it is sometimes, look at "Encore" everyone knows its wack as fuck but evryone owns a copy, and lies about having it, peeps get gassed up with controversy not music....
^ i dont own a copy, and im ebaresed to say its on my ipod tho.. i downloaded it..
Me neither, it's not even come to my mind to buy it, but I also have it on my mp3player (just because i loaded all mp3 folders on my computer to it, and that includes encore). No, I never listened to the album on my mp3player apart from the Like Toy Soldiers track (all of a sudden, like a big bang, I was feeling the song for a minute... it was just the moment and feeling, it made sense). I haven't even fully listened to the album once without skipping tracks. I haven't touched the mp3 folder more than twice. No need for lies, it's the whole truth. Wack album.
Nas - The Cross is ok tho.
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^ i listened to the album several times.. msot of the times, i was at my friends house, it was avtually like a 15 hour party, and for 8 hours the cd was on loop.. i gave it all the chances i could to see if it would grow on me, but it was just simply wack
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This whole argument has got stupid, because for some reason Eminem's apparant "musical" talent is being brought into play, when we were supposed to be discussing his production skills. Producers in other genres don't create the melodies for songs themselves either most of the time. Like when Rick Rubin did that Chilli Peppers album, he just sat and listened to them jam, as then took the best bits, and told them to play this and that together, then switch up to that bit, etc, his main job is to arrange what they play so that it sounds dope. What, therefore is the difference between what he does on a rock record, and what some hiphop producer does. The only difference is that he would take bits from live played music, and a hiphop producer takes the bits they like from old records, and they both then turn these into full tracks. Therefore, Em's supposed "musical" ability shouldn't even be a discussion point in this topic, the only thing we should be discussing is the fact that the large majority of his productions are wack.
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This whole argument has got stupid, because for some reason Eminem's apparant "musical" talent is being brought into play, when we were supposed to be discussing his production skills. Producers in other genres don't create the melodies for songs themselves either most of the time. Like when Rick Rubin did that Chilli Peppers album, he just sat and listened to them jam, as then took the best bits, and told them to play this and that together, then switch up to that bit, etc, his main job is to arrange what they play so that it sounds dope. What, therefore is the difference between what he does on a rock record, and what some hiphop producer does. The only difference is that he would take bits from live played music, and a hiphop producer takes the bits they like from old records, and they both then turn these into full tracks. Therefore, Em's supposed "musical" ability shouldn't even be a discussion point in this topic, the only thing we should be discussing is the fact that the large majority of his productions are wack.
No argument here, except that the rock producer like Rubin's job is to make the most out of the track by getting the most out of the artist(s). He may have to add a little thing here and there, but for the most part it's more to do with guiding how it's played and recorded. Hip hop producers are credited for their "composing" skills. You can hear the difference between Rubin produced, and not Rubin produced by listening to the demos and comparing them to the final product. With Hip Hop it's not so easy to do that. I always felt Dre was great at getting the most out of rappers because very often a rapper comes a cross better with him than with out him, but on the musical side I give Dre and all the others no credit. You're right that musical talent has no business in judging production skills but people here judge the producers on the composition because they think the producer had something to do with creating it. If Puffy sampled Leon Haywood's I Wanna Do Something Freaky to You instead of Dre, people here would have just found out the sample and called him a hack like always, but when Dre does it people praise him, some to the extent of calling him Beethoven. That is just plain wrong. The producer is just supposed to take the record away from it's raw roots and make it listenable. When I downplay hip hop producers I don't mean to say any jack ass could do what they do, I mean to say that if any of the big name producers in history like Quincy Jones, Phil Spector, or Mutt Lange, would concentrate on Hip Hop and work with the current rap artists they'd do a much better job, in my opinion. I want to see Rubin get back into hip hop now that he's matured in the rock scene and produce a whole album, so my theory can be put to the test.
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^ Ok.. so proove it.. make a beat..
I don't work in a professional studio. If I had the equipment even I could sample some old tunes and make beats.
oh he pussied out
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i usually don't really dig em's productions, but spend some time & love me are dope as hell in my opinion.
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i find it funny....no wait commical how people here say eminem is a horrible producer yet LOOOOOVE daz and battlecat. i ain't saying eminem is dr. dre or nothing but he's not even a fifth as bad as y'all make him out to be....some of y'all need to take up an instrument or a music class
dont compare eminem to daz ever again, you fucking clown.
dogg food and retaliation revenge and get back>eminems shitty repetitive same snare and bass beats
shit, rockwilder has the same repetitive style and even his production is better than eminem.
watch out this guy knows REAL music....rockwilder and daz dillinger,lol
dude c'mon i ain't saying em is the best but he's certainly ALOT better musically than some of y'all heros
lose yourself>daz/rockwilders' whole career
the ramblings of a defeated homosexual. this thread is about production, you blind dickrider.
^ a wise man once said "if you have to make personal attacks on someone during a disagreement or argument....you lost the argument"
i don't even really like eminem all that much BUT i'll definately give him my props.............when you learn to analyze music you learn to seperate personal bias from the observed quality, learn some musical theory then come back and talk shit about eminem's production style. Until then you're just as foolish as some one saying the beatles suck.
you already lost, kid. you tried to make the thread about something completely different(true sign of a dickrider), now that you think i "slipped up", you are going to try and bring it back to production. lol @ analyze music, i dont have to analyze shit when he uses the same snare and dark bass in 99% of his tracks, not to mention the fact that he cant layer for shit. another idiot speaking on something they know nothing about...if you never used an mpc in your life, dont even speak on this topic, for real. the only good track he ever did was the thing for 2pac and biggie, and you know why he did that? he found a good vocal sample to use, and he raised the pitch, yet he still used the same tired bass. wow, great producer!!!! hes gnarly duuuuuuuuude
you're a fucking idiot dude, lose yourself and cleaning out my closet sound nothing alike. and so what if he uses the same instrumentaion on every song....dre uses the same effex system on EVERY track since 2001 it's called a SOUND, metallica's preset on their amps have been gain-10 bass-10 mids-0 and treble-6 since 1982 and they've ran those through the same Marshall and Mesa that's their sound......and how am i a dickrider in all this i've plain out said that i don't like the dude that much BUT i'll give him his props, he's a good producer, period.....explain to me how he can't layer.....right there tells me you don't know what your talknig about go listen to Lose your self and patiently waiting......he layered those songs just fine.....listen to white america renegades the cross and they're layered great....you nor anyone else have given any good proof that says he's not a good composer, other than some personal bias....saying you don't like someone doesn't mean they're not good,
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i find it funny....no wait commical how people here say eminem is a horrible producer yet LOOOOOVE daz and battlecat. i ain't saying eminem is dr. dre or nothing but he's not even a fifth as bad as y'all make him out to be....some of y'all need to take up an instrument or a music class
dont compare eminem to daz ever again, you fucking clown.
dogg food and retaliation revenge and get back>eminems shitty repetitive same snare and bass beats
shit, rockwilder has the same repetitive style and even his production is better than eminem.
watch out this guy knows REAL music....rockwilder and daz dillinger,lol
dude c'mon i ain't saying em is the best but he's certainly ALOT better musically than some of y'all heros
lose yourself>daz/rockwilders' whole career
the ramblings of a defeated homosexual. this thread is about production, you blind dickrider.
^ a wise man once said "if you have to make personal attacks on someone during a disagreement or argument....you lost the argument"
i don't even really like eminem all that much BUT i'll definately give him my props.............when you learn to analyze music you learn to seperate personal bias from the observed quality, learn some musical theory then come back and talk shit about eminem's production style. Until then you're just as foolish as some one saying the beatles suck.
you already lost, kid. you tried to make the thread about something completely different(true sign of a dickrider), now that you think i "slipped up", you are going to try and bring it back to production. lol @ analyze music, i dont have to analyze shit when he uses the same snare and dark bass in 99% of his tracks, not to mention the fact that he cant layer for shit. another idiot speaking on something they know nothing about...if you never used an mpc in your life, dont even speak on this topic, for real. the only good track he ever did was the thing for 2pac and biggie, and you know why he did that? he found a good vocal sample to use, and he raised the pitch, yet he still used the same tired bass. wow, great producer!!!! hes gnarly duuuuuuuuude
you're a fucking idiot dude, lose yourself and cleaning out my closet sound nothing alike. and so what if he uses the same instrumentaion on every song....dre uses the same effex system on EVERY track since 2001 it's called a SOUND, metallica's preset on their amps have been gain-10 bass-10 mids-0 and treble-6 since 1982 and they've ran those through the same Marshall and Mesa that's their sound......and how am i a dickrider in all this i've plain out said that i don't like the dude that much BUT i'll give him his props, he's a good producer, period.....explain to me how he can't layer.....right there tells me you don't know what your talknig about go listen to Lose your self and patiently waiting......he layered those songs just fine.....listen to white america renegades the cross and they're layered great....you nor anyone else have given any good proof that says he's not a good composer, other than some personal bias....saying you don't like someone doesn't mean they're not good,
dog, stop pretending like you know what you're talking about, and stop bringing up other music genres. we are talking HIPHOP. this thread is about HIPHOP. producers from the 80's made better beats than eminem and all they had was an 8 second loop and a sampler. eminem has all the technology in the world, and struggles to even make listenable beats. timbaland has the best layers in the game, and if you think eminem is even seeing him 1/3 of the way...ehh whatever, im done with you. since people want to talk about samples...mannie fresh never sampled on his old shit(i dont know about now) and all his beats are better than eminem. you will never see me go into a rock thread and try to talk about something i dont know anything about...you just come off as a clown...
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actually eminems music is better than half the bullshit we hear now and i think its alright to say its getting better listen to the first song he produced which is pimp like me and purple hills on devils night in 2001 now listen to we aint on games cd and i see a big up in that shit.
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Yo Em is a fucking shitcunt producer. He ruined Pac's latest.
Fuck Em and his dickriders.