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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Real American on January 21, 2005, 01:19:35 PM
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What is your guys opinions about the upcoming elections in Iraq that will take place in 9 days? Do you think there is any chance for the country to have successful elections the way that they did in Afghanistan, or do you think that only chaos will result?
If Iraq does have successul elections, does that mean the war was the right thing to do?
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i haven't been following the elections...is it kinda fair or is it just for show setting up a puppet government?
if it's an actual thing that brings out alot of voters and there's a clear choosen leader then i would think it's a small success.... the elected official living to serve a full term would be more impressive
but if there's one major person running (which will be the american puppet) against Abdulla Jafafa the farm owner...then it's garbage
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of course it will be a sucess....somewhat. Im sure there will be car bombs and stuff like that at certain voter places. Im sure there will be alot of iraqis who will be afraid to vote because of the fear of being killed.
And im positive that whoever is elected will be assasinated pretty soon from his win. Plus nothing will change concerning all the violence that goes on in iraq.
So if you think thats a sucess then, sure it will work out.
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The elections will most likely be successful. How do you relate that to whether the war was right or wrong though?
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Everything America has done in Iraq has failed what makes you think this election will be a success.
No one/army will respect the American puppet they install.
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I feel the same way about these elections as I did in the U.S., basically it's not going to be in the best interest of Iraq, but no one will care because the fact they happened will impress people enough.
We are forcing democracy on people, democracy can't be forced, or democracy is not a democracy but a puppet government from an outside force. All of the best democracys in the world come from over throwing an oppressor. Look at the U.S., France, every country. Germany had to go through great trails before their country became united under democracy. It's not suppose to be, we take you over to free you. In Japan, we won the war and they accepted the fact we took over, but in order to sucessfully place democracy there, we kept everything that was in Japanese culture, including the empiror who was our worst enemy, we kept everything in place so that Japan could slide into democracy with their own identity, and Japan was able to adjust because their own leader followed through. Iraq, Saddam was our leader, he was never theirs, many people don't trust us, and it will be hard to have people adjust to democracy because their is nothing Iraqi about the election. There will be elections, but these elections will not be the will of the people, they will be our will, and I am very curious to see how long it will take before another government change.
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BAGHDAD, Iraq - A car bomb exploded outside a Shiite mosque packed with worshippers celebrating a major Muslim holiday Friday, and a suicide driver blew up an ambulance at the wedding of a Shiite couple south of the capital. At least 21 people died and dozens were wounded — including the bride and groom.
The attacks came a day after Iraq (news - web sites)'s most feared terror leader, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, denounced Shiites in a recording that appeared aimed at sowing division ahead of the Jan. 30 elections. Shiites, long the oppressed majority in Iraq, are expected to take power in the balloting, which Sunni Muslim extremists have vowed to disrupt.
Also Friday, a U.S. soldier died in an operation north of Baghdad, and an Italian soldier was killed by a burst of gunfire while patrolling in a helicopter near the southern city of Nasiriyah. Insurgents attacked several designated polling places outside Baghdad.
SUCCESS!
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yes they will but the new pres will be shot in a month. most likely
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far from success. this whole mission in iraq is a joke, as is our president.
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What elections? There is no such thing as "democracy", "freedom" and "elections" inside an occupied[/i] country.
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What elections? There is no such thing as "democracy", "freedom" and "elections" inside an occupied[/i] country.
it's called defense moron.... if it was occupied they would be pretty much our slave labor while we reap the benefits
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it's called defense moron.... if it was occupied they would be pretty much our slave labor while we reap the benefits
Defense from what, you retard? They didn't attack us. They didn't have the supposed WMDs to attack us, so what were we defending ourselves from?
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it's called defense moron.... if it was occupied they would be pretty much our slave labor while we reap the benefits
Defense from what, you retard? They didn't attack us. They didn't have the supposed WMDs to attack us, so what were we defending ourselves from?
where did i say it was defense for us? i swear there's some ignorant ass people on this message board that just throw words into a post so they have something to argue about
Iraq's military and police force were loyal to saddam, now that saddam is gone they need a new military and police force... imagine if the US military and police all dissappeared...don't you think you're need some sort of defense against other countries and fellow countrymen?
now you should apologize for being an idiot and jumping to conclusions
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it's called defense moron.... if it was occupied they would be pretty much our slave labor while we reap the benefits
Defense from what, you retard? They didn't attack us. They didn't have the supposed WMDs to attack us, so what were we defending ourselves from?
where did i say it was defense for us? i swear there's some ignorant ass people on this message board that just throw words into a post so they have something to argue about
Iraq's military and police force were loyal to saddam, now that saddam is gone they need a new military and police force... imagine if the US military and police all dissappeared...don't you think you're need some sort of defense against other countries and fellow countrymen?
now you should apologize for being an idiot and jumping to conclusions
No, you're the idiot here... nothing gave the U.S. the right to invade Iraq in the first place...
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it's called defense moron.... if it was occupied they would be pretty much our slave labor while we reap the benefits
Defense from what, you retard? They didn't attack us. They didn't have the supposed WMDs to attack us, so what were we defending ourselves from?
where did i say it was defense for us? i swear there's some ignorant ass people on this message board that just throw words into a post so they have something to argue about
Iraq's military and police force were loyal to saddam, now that saddam is gone they need a new military and police force... imagine if the US military and police all dissappeared...don't you think you're need some sort of defense against other countries and fellow countrymen?
now you should apologize for being an idiot and jumping to conclusions
No, you're the idiot here... nothing gave the U.S. the right to invade Iraq in the first place...
oh since you made a mistake you're going to change the debate? nice try....but try to stick to one topic at a time
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it's called defense moron.... if it was occupied they would be pretty much our slave labor while we reap the benefits
Defense from what, you retard? They didn't attack us. They didn't have the supposed WMDs to attack us, so what were we defending ourselves from?
where did i say it was defense for us? i swear there's some ignorant ass people on this message board that just throw words into a post so they have something to argue about
Iraq's military and police force were loyal to saddam, now that saddam is gone they need a new military and police force... imagine if the US military and police all dissappeared...don't you think you're need some sort of defense against other countries and fellow countrymen?
now you should apologize for being an idiot and jumping to conclusions
No, you're the idiot here... nothing gave the U.S. the right to invade Iraq in the first place...
oh since you made a mistake you're going to change the debate? nice try....but try to stick to one topic at a time
I'm not changing the debate. You said that it's "defense" and not occupation... and I'm simply stating that it's unjust, wrong, and a mistake for us to have been in there in the first place, for whatever reason you or our government wants to claim.
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Were occupying their country, and were defending it. As needles said, they have no defense without us.
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Were occupying their country, and were defending it. As needles said, they have no defense without us.
LMFAO..... HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA....
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THE ATTACKING DEFENDER.... what's next.... THE MORAL CHILD-MOLESTOR...
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Rampant, remember that post listing some of the stupid things you've said in the past... I think I could put together a new volume every month with hundreds of quotes.... seriously, you are the dumbest idiot alive...
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Imagine some guy running into your house, kills half of your family, and tells the rest "I'm defending you guys from potential attackers in the future" LOLLLL Rampant go suck on your dad's testicles you retarded son of a bitch
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Imagine some guy running into your house, kills half of your family, and tells the rest "I'm defending you guys from potential attackers in the future" LOLLLL Rampant go suck on your dad's testicles you retarded son of a bitch
i think that has to be the worst analogy i've ever witnessed on this board... but anyways there's nothing to argue here. sure there are still quite a few offensive operations being performed in Iraq, but there are more defensive and protective measures being used in iraq...
if we were to just wipe out iraqs government and leave, they might have come under attack by one of their neighboring countries and also looting and chaos would abound.... no one can change the war with iraq and we can argue all day if it was right or wrong but that's not what this topic is about
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Imagine some guy running into your house, kills half of your family, and tells the rest "I'm defending you guys from potential attackers in the future" LOLLLL Rampant go suck on your dad's testicles you retarded son of a bitch
i think that has to be the worst analogy i've ever witnessed on this board... but anyways there's nothing to argue here. sure there are still quite a few offensive operations being performed in Iraq, but there are more defensive and protective measures being used in iraq...
if we were to just wipe out iraqs government and leave, they might have come under attack by one of their neighboring countries and also looting and chaos would abound.... no one can change the war with iraq and we can argue all day if it was right or wrong but that's not what this topic is about
You've just said a whole lot of nothing.
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Imagine some guy running into your house, kills half of your family, and tells the rest "I'm defending you guys from potential attackers in the future" LOLLLL Rampant go suck on your dad's testicles you retarded son of a bitch
i think that has to be the worst analogy i've ever witnessed on this board... but anyways there's nothing to argue here. sure there are still quite a few offensive operations being performed in Iraq, but there are more defensive and protective measures being used in iraq...
if we were to just wipe out iraqs government and leave, they might have come under attack by one of their neighboring countries and also looting and chaos would abound.... no one can change the war with iraq and we can argue all day if it was right or wrong but that's not what this topic is about
You've just said a whole lot of nothing.
well you were bitching about us defending iraq and we are
you complainag about us being there unjusty is saying nothing because no matter what you say, we're going to stay there
for a better argument try to start a debate why you think humans should be able to breath under water without equipment because you're doing absolutly nothing here
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Imagine some guy running into your house, kills half of your family, and tells the rest "I'm defending you guys from potential attackers in the future" LOLLLL Rampant go suck on your dad's testicles you retarded son of a bitch
i think that has to be the worst analogy i've ever witnessed on this board... but anyways there's nothing to argue here. sure there are still quite a few offensive operations being performed in Iraq, but there are more defensive and protective measures being used in iraq...
if we were to just wipe out iraqs government and leave, they might have come under attack by one of their neighboring countries and also looting and chaos would abound.... no one can change the war with iraq and we can argue all day if it was right or wrong but that's not what this topic is about
You've just said a whole lot of nothing.
well you were bitching about us defending iraq and we are
you complainag about us being there unjusty is saying nothing because no matter what you say, we're going to stay there
for a better argument try to start a debate why you think humans should be able to breath under water without equipment because you're doing absolutly nothing here
You just get dumber by the minute, and on top of that you were the one saying that my analogy was dumb, when yours is worse than Rampant's statement (and that's saying a lot).
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You just get dumber by the minute, and on top of that you were the one saying that my analogy was dumb, when yours is worse than Rampant's statement (and that's saying a lot).
what's the matter jamal? nothing smart to say? well i'll let you continue crying about how unjust the war was... but don't get mad when the next time you ask me a stupid question and come with a wack analogy i son you
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You just get dumber by the minute, and on top of that you were the one saying that my analogy was dumb, when yours is worse than Rampant's statement (and that's saying a lot).
what's the matter jamal? nothing smart to say? well i'll let you continue crying about how unjust the war was... but don't get mad when the next time you ask me a stupid question and come with a wack analogy i son you
If believing that helps you sleep at night, then be my guest... I wouldn't want to burst your little bubble.
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We both know that your statement about our occupation being about "defense" is complete bullshit, just like everything else you've been pulling out of your ass in this thread.
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how is it bullshit? do you know how many offensive and defensive operations are running in iraq right now? no you don't.
i can tell you there's more defensive than offensive...we're repairing shit, training iraqis to become law enforcers and training their military, food services, shelters
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how is it bullshit? do you know how many offensive and defensive operations are running in iraq right now? no you don't.
i can tell you there's more defensive than offensive...we're repairing shit, training iraqis to become law enforcers and training their military, food services, shelters
We're repairing what we fucked up. Woo fucking hoo.
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how is it bullshit? do you know how many offensive and defensive operations are running in iraq right now? no you don't.
i can tell you there's more defensive than offensive...we're repairing shit, training iraqis to become law enforcers and training their military, food services, shelters
We're repairing what we fucked up. Woo fucking hoo.
we could've just left the place a bunch of sinkholes but then again you'd be bitching about that too
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how is it bullshit? do you know how many offensive and defensive operations are running in iraq right now? no you don't.
i can tell you there's more defensive than offensive...we're repairing shit, training iraqis to become law enforcers and training their military, food services, shelters
We're repairing what we fucked up. Woo fucking hoo.
we could've just left the place a bunch of sinkholes but then again you'd be bitching about that too
That's exactly what we did 14 years ago. We bombed them, fucked everything up, killed thousands of people... then we do the same exact shit once more.... and now we're gonna fix it... boy, now that I look at it from your angle.... it's so nice of us to help them!
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Listen up Useless Kane, no matter how you try to justify this war, you can't. No matter how much the U.S. does now to "fix" things, you have to remember that they're the ones who fucked it up in the first place.
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how is it bullshit? do you know how many offensive and defensive operations are running in iraq right now? no you don't.
i can tell you there's more defensive than offensive...we're repairing shit, training iraqis to become law enforcers and training their military, food services, shelters
We're repairing what we fucked up. Woo fucking hoo.
we could've just left the place a bunch of sinkholes but then again you'd be bitching about that too
or we could have not invaded and not bomb the fuck out of the country. did that ever cross your mind? go tell those 200,000 ppl that died families that its ok you will fix the problem that the u.s. started.
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how is it bullshit? do you know how many offensive and defensive operations are running in iraq right now? no you don't.
i can tell you there's more defensive than offensive...we're repairing shit, training iraqis to become law enforcers and training their military, food services, shelters
We're repairing what we fucked up. Woo fucking hoo.
we could've just left the place a bunch of sinkholes but then again you'd be bitching about that too
or we could have not invaded and not bomb the fuck out of the country. did that ever cross your mind? go tell those 200,000 ppl that died families that its ok you will fix the problem that the u.s. started.
Nah... these idiots think that it's alright to bomb someone's house killing everyone inside, and then rebuilding the house for the next family to live in. Useless Kane is so we-todd-it.
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you know what guys? if you call me retarded 4,327 more times... you can go back in time and stop the war from happening
wait, no you can't...it just shows that you guys are little complaining bitches....don't be mad at me, i can't change anything either
so you still want to argue about how the united states need defense against iraq jerky jamal? or you want to admit that you're a moron and you put words into my post?
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or we could have not invaded and not bomb the fuck out of the country. did that ever cross your mind? go tell those 200,000 ppl that died families that its ok you will fix the problem that the u.s. started.
once again, we "could" have not done alot of things but guess what? you two little people might as well not exist because your opinions on the war don't matter
i have the best chance of going to war and getting killed out of every single one of you on this board and you don't see me complaining about this war....it's going to happen no matter what i say or do
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you know what guys? if you call me retarded 4,327 more times... you can go back in time and stop the war from happening
wait, no you can't...it just shows that you guys are little complaining bitches....don't be mad at me, i can't change anything either
so you still want to argue about how the united states need defense against iraq jerky jamal? or you want to admit that you're a moron and you put words into my post?
I want to admit that you're a moron. Thanks, now move the fuck on with your life, retard.
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you're in the need of moving on jerky jamal...you're arguing about something that you can't change...and you have the labia to call me retarded? you poor, poor soul
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you're in the need of moving on jerky jamal...you're arguing about something that you can't change...and you have the labia to call me retarded? you poor, poor soul
Is there any argument that goes on here that anyone can/will do something about? No, you retard. I'm just expressing my opinion, happened to throw in some hard facts in there, and you got your dirty panties in a twist. Go drench that period juice out.
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you're in the need of moving on jerky jamal...you're arguing about something that you can't change...and you have the labia to call me retarded? you poor, poor soul
Is there any argument that goes on here that anyone can/will do something about? No, you retard. I'm just expressing my opinion, happened to throw in some hard facts in there, and you got your dirty panties in a twist. Go drench that period juice out.
there's tons of arguments you can do things about. you think a cd sucks, don't buy it.....you don't like a certain food, don't eat it....you don't like your weather, move...your job sucks, get a new one...
anyways what you brought to this thread was common knowledge and did little to affect anything...
by the way i can tell i'm in your head...as soon as i refer to you having a pussy, you do the same to me....very original
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you're in the need of moving on jerky jamal...you're arguing about something that you can't change...and you have the labia to call me retarded? you poor, poor soul
Is there any argument that goes on here that anyone can/will do something about? No, you retard. I'm just expressing my opinion, happened to throw in some hard facts in there, and you got your dirty panties in a twist. Go drench that period juice out.
there's tons of arguments you can do things about. you think a cd sucks, don't buy it.....you don't like a certain food, don't eat it....you don't like your weather, move...your job sucks, get a new one...
anyways what you brought to this thread was common knowledge and did little to affect anything...
by the way i can tell i'm in your head...as soon as i refer to you having a pussy, you do the same to me....very original
Can you say the same about the arguments in TOT? No. You're wrong, I'm right... again.
If what I brought is common knowledge, why do you try to argue against it? To be wrong? Mission accomplished.
Have a good day, retard.
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you're in the need of moving on jerky jamal...you're arguing about something that you can't change...and you have the labia to call me retarded? you poor, poor soul
Is there any argument that goes on here that anyone can/will do something about? No, you retard. I'm just expressing my opinion, happened to throw in some hard facts in there, and you got your dirty panties in a twist. Go drench that period juice out.
there's tons of arguments you can do things about. you think a cd sucks, don't buy it.....you don't like a certain food, don't eat it....you don't like your weather, move...your job sucks, get a new one...
anyways what you brought to this thread was common knowledge and did little to affect anything...
by the way i can tell i'm in your head...as soon as i refer to you having a pussy, you do the same to me....very original
Can you say the same about the arguments in TOT? No. You're wrong, I'm right... again.
If what I brought is common knowledge, why do you try to argue against it? To be wrong? Mission accomplished.
Have a good day, retard.
if you look at the topic we're supposed to be talking about, you can argue both sides of this topic....since it's something in the future and hasn't happened yet...damn you're WRONG again
and i think you're too stupid to even know what i'm arguing and not arguing about...the first argument you made with me was because you have a hard time reading... and i proved that you're a moron
the second part isn't even an argument...you're complaining that the war is unjust and i'm saying be a man and suck it up, there's nothing you can do about it...so my argument is that you can't change the past....and if you're trying to argue against that...you lose again
just give up jerky jamal, you can't win in this thread...you have a better chance of following me around in my other posts and calling me names than walking away from this thread a winner....you've lost, you're just too dumb to realize it
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no they will not be
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you're in the need of moving on jerky jamal...you're arguing about something that you can't change...and you have the labia to call me retarded? you poor, poor soul
Is there any argument that goes on here that anyone can/will do something about? No, you retard. I'm just expressing my opinion, happened to throw in some hard facts in there, and you got your dirty panties in a twist. Go drench that period juice out.
there's tons of arguments you can do things about. you think a cd sucks, don't buy it.....you don't like a certain food, don't eat it....you don't like your weather, move...your job sucks, get a new one...
anyways what you brought to this thread was common knowledge and did little to affect anything...
by the way i can tell i'm in your head...as soon as i refer to you having a pussy, you do the same to me....very original
Can you say the same about the arguments in TOT? No. You're wrong, I'm right... again.
If what I brought is common knowledge, why do you try to argue against it? To be wrong? Mission accomplished.
Have a good day, retard.
if you look at the topic we're supposed to be talking about, you can argue both sides of this topic....since it's something in the future and hasn't happened yet...damn you're WRONG again
and i think you're too stupid to even know what i'm arguing and not arguing about...the first argument you made with me was because you have a hard time reading... and i proved that you're a moron
the second part isn't even an argument...you're complaining that the war is unjust and i'm saying be a man and suck it up, there's nothing you can do about it...so my argument is that you can't change the past....and if you're trying to argue against that...you lose again
just give up jerky jamal, you can't win in this thread...you have a better chance of following me around in my other posts and calling me names than walking away from this thread a winner....you've lost, you're just too dumb to realize it
WTF... you really are retarded aren't you?
You say this: "there's tons of arguments you can do things about. you think a cd sucks, don't buy it.....you don't like a certain food, don't eat it....you don't like your weather, move...your job sucks, get a new one..."
I reply with:"Can you say the same about the arguments in TOT? No"
You decide not to make sense with this:"if you look at the topic we're supposed to be talking about, you can argue both sides of this topic....since it's something in the future and hasn't happened yet...damn you're WRONG again"
You went from being able to do something about a situation to being able to argue it.
So just because I can't change the past, I can't add an opinion? LOL sorry to hurt your feelings with my opinions.
You claim I can't "win" in this thread, when in fact, you keep making dumb remarks, and I keep exposing them. Now if you would please do me a favor, and get off my scrotum, I'd appreciate it.
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ok since you're slow i'll explain this very simply... since elections have not happened yet...you can do something about it... you can debate and see the pros and cons of such a situation, then sit back and see what happens. sure it doesn't directly effect the outcome but then again an election in a foreign country such as iraq doesn't mean shit to us anyways...
if you honestly want a good example of what i'm talking about...how about this country's elections? i was able to spend 5 minutes of my life pissing off everyone around the world...and it still pisses them off today...so maybe if the first example didn't quite satisfy you, that one should...so you asked for a nail in your coffin and i gave it to you
so you you should go put some clothes on because i bet you're vagina is getting a little cold since you just exposed yourself there moron
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Yeah that makes all the difference in the world... to argue about something that a) is happening in another part of the world b) you can't do shit about c) you don't care about.... but for me to state an opinion about something that happened is just outright absurd... Get over it little whiny bitch
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The only thing you can call me dumb for is for the fact that I just stooped wayyyyyyyyyyy down to your intelligence level by even arguing with a retard that has the mental capacity of a 4th grade special-ed student.
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I can't believe the level of immaturity this forum has reached. :-\
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Yeah that makes all the difference in the world... to argue about something that a) is happening in another part of the world b) you can't do shit about c) you don't care about.... but for me to state an opinion about something that happened is just outright absurd... Get over it little whiny bitch
The only thing you can call me dumb for is for the fact that I just stooped wayyyyyyyyyyy down to your intelligence level by even arguing with a retard that has the mental capacity of a 4th grade special-ed student.
i don't mind your opinion because you usually have something intelligent to say and sometimes i learn things from your posts but then there's also the fact that you're insecure, so you resort to name calling and try to make yourself seem smarter than you actually are
i'll admit it that the namecalling was childish of me but it's sad that you cling to internet pride and can't man up and admit when you're wrong. you just keep pushing on with your empty insults...you say i have the mental capacity of a 4th grade retard and yet i proved you wrong about 3 times in this thread...so does that make you a third grade special ed student?
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Yeah that makes all the difference in the world... to argue about something that a) is happening in another part of the world b) you can't do shit about c) you don't care about.... but for me to state an opinion about something that happened is just outright absurd... Get over it little whiny bitch
The only thing you can call me dumb for is for the fact that I just stooped wayyyyyyyyyyy down to your intelligence level by even arguing with a retard that has the mental capacity of a 4th grade special-ed student.
i don't mind your opinion because you usually have something intelligent to say and sometimes i learn things from your posts but then there's also the fact that you're insecure, so you resort to name calling and try to make yourself seem smarter than you actually are
i'll admit it that the namecalling was childish of me but it's sad that you cling to internet pride and can't man up and admit when you're wrong. you just keep pushing on with your empty insults...you say i have the mental capacity of a 4th grade retard and yet i proved you wrong about 3 times in this thread...so does that make you a third grade special ed student?
You haven't proven me wrong at all. You have no reply to what I say, so you write 2 paragraphs of bullshit that doesn't make sense, and when I tell you that you're a retard for not making sense, you assume I'm resorting to "name-calling" as a last resort.
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Yeah that makes all the difference in the world... to argue about something that a) is happening in another part of the world b) you can't do shit about c) you don't care about.... but for me to state an opinion about something that happened is just outright absurd... Get over it little whiny bitch
The only thing you can call me dumb for is for the fact that I just stooped wayyyyyyyyyyy down to your intelligence level by even arguing with a retard that has the mental capacity of a 4th grade special-ed student.
i don't mind your opinion because you usually have something intelligent to say and sometimes i learn things from your posts but then there's also the fact that you're insecure, so you resort to name calling and try to make yourself seem smarter than you actually are
i'll admit it that the namecalling was childish of me but it's sad that you cling to internet pride and can't man up and admit when you're wrong. you just keep pushing on with your empty insults...you say i have the mental capacity of a 4th grade retard and yet i proved you wrong about 3 times in this thread...so does that make you a third grade special ed student?
You haven't proven me wrong at all. You have no reply to what I say, so you write 2 paragraphs of bullshit that doesn't make sense, and when I tell you that you're a retard for not making sense, you assume I'm resorting to "name-calling" as a last resort.
i forgot, i can't prove you wrong because you're unable to realize you are wrong...
1. where did i say we were defending ourselves from iraq? it's there in print that you called me a moron because you thought i said something else
there goes the first thing you were wrong about
2. if we're not defending iraq, how come the majority of the missions in iraq are defense missions and very few are offensive?
there's number two
3. you tried to say that nothing in ToT could be changed so that you can prove me wrong and i showed you there were things
there's number three
4. you also argued that the war was unjust and you said that you were right and that i was wrong when i never even debated the justification of the war in iraq
and that makes you...i'm at a loss of words for what that makes you...do you even know what you argue about anymore or is it you just can't help expressing your opinions, calling people retarded and saying your right when there's nothing to be right about?
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smh...
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1. Your exact words were "it's called defense". If you are unable to clarify yourself, Mr. Special-Ed, which I know most people like you are unable to do, then that's not my problem. You never said "we're there to defend Iraq from others". You said "it's called defense". That doesn't make me wrong, it just means that your words could easily be interpreted in more than one way, since you're a retard that can't express an idea in a complete sentence.
2. How many different offensive missions can there be? 1. So what the fuck are you even trying to argue? That we're doing more good than bad in Iraq? Tell that to all those thousands of people who have lost family members in this "DEFENSE"
3. Yea, there is nothing anyone can/will do about any of the things being argued about in TOT. Your examples were "yea you can... if you don't like a cd, dont buy it"... I know you're a retard, but even you should understand that buying a cd or not has nothing to do with the topics being argued in TOT.
4. I was speaking in general terms when I said that I was right, which I am, and that you are wrong, which you are. I didn't specifically refer to the justification of the war.
Now that I've sonned you, will you please hop off my nuts. Thank You. Have a good night.
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THE ATTACKING DEFENDER.... what's next.... THE MORAL CHILD-MOLESTOR...
LOL..... Jamal has this argument on lock. Kane never had a leg to stand on... "People are going to school", "Biuldings and highways are being being biult", "There is electricity"........ Iraqi's were already going to school before the invasion, the biuldings and highways were already there before the invasion, and there was more electricity and clean water before the invasion.
The US government is using any excuse it can find to biuld a permanent military presence in Iraq, as a means to invade other countries in the region, and as a means to continue the usurping of Iraq's vast oil reserves.
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1. Your exact words were "it's called defense". If you are unable to clarify yourself, Mr. Special-Ed, which I know most people like you are unable to do, then that's not my problem. You never said "we're there to defend Iraq from others". You said "it's called defense". That doesn't make me wrong, it just means that your words could easily be interpreted in more than one way, since you're a retard that can't express an idea in a complete sentence.
2. How many different offensive missions can there be? 1. So what the fuck are you even trying to argue? That we're doing more good than bad in Iraq? Tell that to all those thousands of people who have lost family members in this "DEFENSE"
3. Yea, there is nothing anyone can/will do about any of the things being argued about in TOT. Your examples were "yea you can... if you don't like a cd, dont buy it"... I know you're a retard, but even you should understand that buying a cd or not has nothing to do with the topics being argued in TOT.
4. I was speaking in general terms when I said that I was right, which I am, and that you are wrong, which you are. I didn't specifically refer to the justification of the war.
Now that I've sonned you, will you please hop off my nuts. Thank You. Have a good night.
lol you're still an idiot i see
1. that's awesome how you can jump to conclusions and not understand someone, call them a retard and they're the wrong one...if you needed clarification you could ask. you just admitted to not understanding what i said which makes you the person that was wrong...i guess that's the closest i'll get to you admitting anything
so when the oakland raiders are playing defense, they are defending the united states against a foreign country? there's more than one thing you can defend from and it's not my fault you're a fucking moron
2. there are tons of offensive missions and defensive mission that can be done, you just asking this questions proves you know shit about the subject so i'm glad you admit you're ignorant with it comes to military tactics. since you're asking about this again proves you're ignorant
3. i already gave you the example of voting in the US elections but since that proves you wrong, you can choose to ignore it like the ignorants moron you are
4. enjoy still being wrong
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THE ATTACKING DEFENDER.... what's next.... THE MORAL CHILD-MOLESTOR...
LOL..... Jamal has this argument on lock. Kane never had a leg to stand on... "People are going to school", "Biuldings and highways are being being biult", "Their is electricity"........ Iraqi's were already going to school before the invasion, the biuldings and highways were already there before the invasion, and their was more electricity and clean water before the invasion.
The US government is using any excuse it can find to biuld a permanent military presence in Iraq, as a means to invade other countries in the region, and as a means to continue the usurping of Iraq's vast oil reserves.
you're still on that conspiracy this aren't you? why would we build bases in iraq when we can already use Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Afghanistan? you think america needs bases in every middle eastern country to win wars? you're highly mistaken...and again, we haven't recieved any bonuses from having iraq's oil reserve. so please don't bring your ignorant muslim theories out again because all the factual basis behind them can be attributed to your own paranoid delusions
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I will sum up this thread in someone else's six words...
Jamal has this argument on lock.
Have a good day. :)
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I'm not gonna keep typing up 4 paragraphs if you don't have any common sense or logic to see things in a rational way. Dealing with idiots like you is just not my thing; well actually on WCC, most of the time it is, but that's another story. Anyways, I hope you sleep well at night knowing you got sonned by someone way younger than you. :-*
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THE ATTACKING DEFENDER.... what's next.... THE MORAL CHILD-MOLESTOR...
ok you want examples of attacking defenders?
it's happened in the crusades, revolutionary war, civil war, ww 1, ww2, korean war, desert storm....pretty much every single war that has ever happened.
every single war that has been recorded in history has had an attack which took over a land, then in turn they had to defend that land...just to name a few....
1. kuwait...america had to attack the iraqis and push them back over the border then defend kuwait for awhile
2. america had to attack guam to get the japanese out during WWII then had to defend Guam from japan
3. afghanistan...america attacked the terrorist supporting government and is now defending the country from more terrorists
so once again i prove you wrong... it's ok that the only person that sticks up for you is some dumb fuck that backs up his posts with conspiracy theories...
you've just been sonned again you little girl, enjoy your day at school, i packed you a lunch, enjoy my salty nuts
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THE ATTACKING DEFENDER.... what's next.... THE MORAL CHILD-MOLESTOR...
ok you want examples of attacking defenders?
it's happened in the crusades, revolutionary war, civil war, ww 1, ww2, korean war, desert storm....pretty much every single war that has ever happened.
every single war that has been recorded in history has had an attack which took over a land, then in turn they had to defend that land...just to name a few....
1. kuwait...america had to attack the iraqis and push them back over the border then defend kuwait for awhile
2. america had to attack guam to get the japanese out during WWII then had to defend Guam from japan
3. afghanistan...america attacked the terrorist supporting government and is now defending the country from more terrorists
so once again i prove you wrong... it's ok that the only person that sticks up for you is some dumb fuck that backs up his posts with conspiracy theories...
you've just been sonned again you little girl, enjoy your day at school, i packed you a lunch, enjoy my salty nuts
LOL.
Hey Jamal, u checked out this shit? Number 2 is a classic! Ha ha, redneck got ass raped in this thread.
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LMAO... this fool is the biggest moron alive... I can't believe he just said that....
Useless Kane, let's put this into perspective here. Two guys are fighting. Guy A runs into your house, kills half of your family, and then tells you that he's protecting you from Guy B because Guy B is about to attack your house. You'd be okay with that? LOLLLL Damn, I didn't know our education system was THAT bad.
And you don't even wanna talk about those specific points because #2 is just retarded even by simply reading what you said with out any analysis provided by me, and #1 and #3 are just territories you don't wanna cross with me because that's the POINT OF NO RETURN 8)
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you can go ahead and say what the fuck you want about those three situations...the bottom line is we attacked a place and we took it over and we defended either ourselves or the people living there.... my argument isn't about if the people love the idea, cause i could care less.... but just so you know attacking defenders happens in every war
jamal, your little analogy about house conquest doesn't mean shit...there's alot of things i wouldn't like, but if it happens, it happens. to be honest, i don't like any war but they still happen... so how does my preferences prove you right?
and to say i don't know what i'm talking about in #2 is funny... how much time have either of you spent on guam? i lived there for a year... i don't have to read text books about there because i ran into a chamorro that was enslaved by the japanese to build fortifications and he said he thanks god that the americans retook Guam
so me getting a first hand story of what went down > than what you can read in a text book
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you can go ahead and say what the fuck you want about those three situations...the bottom line is we attacked a place and we took it over and we defended either ourselves or the people living there.... my argument isn't about if the people love the idea, cause i could care less.... but just so you know attacking defenders happens in every war
jamal, your little analogy about house conquest doesn't mean shit...there's alot of things i wouldn't like, but if it happens, it happens. to be honest, i don't like any war but they still happen... so how does my preferences prove you right?
and to say i don't know what i'm talking about in #2 is funny... how much time have either of you spent on guam? i lived there for a year... i don't have to read text books about there because i ran into a chamorro that was enslaved by the japanese to build fortifications and he said he thanks god that the americans retook Guam
so me getting a first hand story of what went down > than what you can read in a text book
You were in Guam during World War II? No, so shut the fuck up.
My analogy wasn't supposed to show that you wouldn't like the situation, rather that it's absurd. We didn't attack any countries to defend them. We attacked Iraq to defend Kuwait... we didn't attack Kuwait (although that's a whole 'nother issue to be argued, but I'll stay off that for the purpose of sonning you now on this topic). We didn't attack Afghanistan to defend Afghans from anyone. So your whole argument goes down the drain.
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Guam was attacked by the Japanese, not us. We went into Guam to fight the Japanese, not the people of Guam. You're arguing one thing, but you're giving examples that don't support your argument.
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were you in iraq during this war? were you in guam during ww 2, were you in desert storm?
ok now shut the fuck up...
looks like your reasoning just failed you there didn't it?
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Guam was attacked by the Japanese, not us. We went into Guam to fight the Japanese, not the people of Guam. You're arguing one thing, but you're giving examples that don't support your argument.
wow that looks alot like
2. america had to attack guam to get the japanese out during WWII then had to defend Guam from japan
and before you try and get technical yes we did attack guam...i saw the shells of buildings left from after that attack, i walked the beach were i met the ex japanese slave, he showed us the pill boxes he helped make on the escarpment, the whole island has signs, plaques and statues with guam's war history on them
so what point did you have to make by repeating what i said?
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anyways i'm going to stop with the name calling... your analogy with the little houses getting taken over might be your point of view... the was i see it is more like this.
let's say the city you're living in is it's own little country... now another country thinks your country's government is corrupted on all levels, so it attacks your country and totally removes your government...the attack was pretty much chaos, both side lost people, your country even lost civilians... now, you city doesn't have any government, no law enforcment agencies....what do you think is going to happen? these actions leave you country totally messed up, you can be invaded at any time due to lack of a military, looting is common place due to lack of law enforcement... now can you honestly say your country does not need any source of defense?
i know you're pissed because you can't argue with me about this war being just or unjust because i have a careless attitude about it...so the debate isn't about who attacked who....why they attacked, or if they were justified in attacking....i'm talking about the present time
in iraq, if we left the place without a governent, and in the condition it was in, don't you think long time enemy iran might have taken some interest in iraqi land? and i know you've read about the looting that took place in iraq right after the war...iraqi people raiding palaces, burning down stores, etc....
the us government is training iraqi people to become police officers and starting up a military so the US will no longer have to defend iraq...this is even one of the goals that the puppet president has stated he wanted to achieve...have the US stabilize iraq so they can get out.
there's my point of the argument, you can call me retarded, moron...anything else but there's my point told like a man
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Guam was attacked by the Japanese, not us. We went into Guam to fight the Japanese, not the people of Guam. You're arguing one thing, but you're giving examples that don't support your argument.
wow that looks alot like
2. america had to attack guam to get the japanese out during WWII then had to defend Guam from japan
and before you try and get technical yes we did attack guam...i saw the shells of buildings left from after that attack, i walked the beach were i met the ex japanese slave, he showed us the pill boxes he helped make on the escarpment, the whole island has signs, plaques and statues with guam's war history on them
so what point did you have to make by repeating what i said?
We attacked the Japanese who took over Guam... who did we attack in Iraq?
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in iraq, if we left the place without a governent, and in the condition it was in, don't you think long time enemy iran might have taken some interest in iraqi land? and i know you've read about the looting that took place in iraq right after the war...iraqi people raiding palaces, burning down stores, etc....
the us government is training iraqi people to become police officers and starting up a military so the US will no longer have to defend iraq...this is even one of the goals that the puppet president has stated he wanted to achieve...have the US stabilize iraq so they can get out.
there's my point of the argument, you can call me retarded, moron...anything else but there's my point told like a man
Nah, I respect your view, but I disagree with it. Anyways, what I quoted here... I agree with that, it's our duty now to stabilize Iraq, BUT you can't claim that our mission as a whole is one of "DEFENSE" as you like to call it. Reconstruction and things of that sort are part of our DUTY... "You break it, you buy it". Had Iraq attacked the U.S., and we went over and fucked them up, then NO, it wouldn't be our duty to reconstruct their country, they asked for it; however, that's not the case. We just went over there and blew the place up for no justifiable reason, and now it's our duty to fix what we broke. You can't claim however that we're there to DEFEND the Iraqis, we're there now because certain people are making $$$.
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Guam was attacked by the Japanese, not us. We went into Guam to fight the Japanese, not the people of Guam. You're arguing one thing, but you're giving examples that don't support your argument.
wow that looks alot like
2. america had to attack guam to get the japanese out during WWII then had to defend Guam from japan
and before you try and get technical yes we did attack guam...i saw the shells of buildings left from after that attack, i walked the beach were i met the ex japanese slave, he showed us the pill boxes he helped make on the escarpment, the whole island has signs, plaques and statues with guam's war history on them
so what point did you have to make by repeating what i said?
We attacked the Japanese who took over Guam... who did we attack in Iraq?
we attacked Saddam and the people loyal to him, still not saying it's right or wrong but that's who the enemy was defined as
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in iraq, if we left the place without a governent, and in the condition it was in, don't you think long time enemy iran might have taken some interest in iraqi land? and i know you've read about the looting that took place in iraq right after the war...iraqi people raiding palaces, burning down stores, etc....
the us government is training iraqi people to become police officers and starting up a military so the US will no longer have to defend iraq...this is even one of the goals that the puppet president has stated he wanted to achieve...have the US stabilize iraq so they can get out.
there's my point of the argument, you can call me retarded, moron...anything else but there's my point told like a man
Nah, I respect your view, but I disagree with it. Anyways, what I quoted here... I agree with that, it's our duty now to stabilize Iraq, BUT you can't claim that our mission as a whole is one of "DEFENSE" as you like to call it. Reconstruction and things of that sort are part of our DUTY... "You break it, you buy it". Had Iraq attacked the U.S., and we went over and fucked them up, then NO, it wouldn't be our duty to reconstruct their country, they asked for it; however, that's not the case. We just went over there and blew the place up for no justifiable reason, and now it's our duty to fix what we broke. You can't claim however that we're there to DEFEND the Iraqis, we're there now because certain people are making $$$.
yeah i know contractors are making a killing over there, instead of enlisting the aid of iraqi companies, the US outsourced alot of the contracts back to the US to line some pockets but that's the civilian part. the military is defending ports, ammo dumps and utility buildings along with hospitals and other municiple buildings. plus training iraqi military and law enforcement to take over those duties. my cousin was there in the Sunni triangle and he said right after they'd get done attacking a palace during the war and they were heading away... all hell would break out on the streets, looting, vandalizm, arson...totally getting rid of iraqs government, wasn't the smartest thing to do because that's the main reason we're stuck there
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we attacked Saddam and the people loyal to him, still not saying it's right or wrong but that's who the enemy was defined as
Saddam was the leader of Iraq. He was Iraqi. The people loyal to him were Iraqi. We attacked Iraq/Iraqis. We were defending Iraqis from Iraqis? :D So, now you see what I was getting at.
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man someone lock this up its getting rediculous
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we attacked Saddam and the people loyal to him, still not saying it's right or wrong but that's who the enemy was defined as
Saddam was the leader of Iraq. He was Iraqi. The people loyal to him were Iraqi. We attacked Iraq/Iraqis. We were defending Iraqis from Iraqis? :D So, now you see what I was getting at.
well we seperated the iraqis into two groups...and you can't say iraqis don't need defense against other iraqis during these times...almost every other day they are sitting there blowing each other up... so there are common iraqis and pissed off iraqis
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we attacked Saddam and the people loyal to him, still not saying it's right or wrong but that's who the enemy was defined as
Saddam was the leader of Iraq. He was Iraqi. The people loyal to him were Iraqi. We attacked Iraq/Iraqis. We were defending Iraqis from Iraqis? :D So, now you see what I was getting at.
well we seperated the iraqis into two groups...and you can't say iraqis don't need defense against other iraqis during these times...almost every other day they are sitting there blowing each other up... so there are common iraqis and pissed off iraqis
WE seperated Iraqis into two groups. Good job, you're catching on. The pissed off group is pissed because of US. If I lived there, and another country invaded and occupied, I'd be pissed as well.
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answer me one questions...it's a simple yes or no questions jamal...
seeing as Iraq doesn't have any military and very little law enforcement....do the iraqi people need protection from foreign and domestic aggressors? remember to take into account looting, bombings of work lines, threats to voters, and the iran border
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answer me one questions...it's a simple yes or no questions jamal...
seeing as Iraq doesn't have any military and very little law enforcement....do the iraqi people need protection from foreign and domestic aggressors? remember to take into account looting, bombings of work lines, threats to voters, and the iran border
Did they need it before we fucked everything up? NO.
Do they need it now that we killed everyone and fucked everything up? YES.
That's not DEFENSE. "You break, you buy".
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answer me one questions...it's a simple yes or no questions jamal...
seeing as Iraq doesn't have any military and very little law enforcement....do the iraqi people need protection from foreign and domestic aggressors? remember to take into account looting, bombings of work lines, threats to voters, and the iran border
Did they need it before we fucked everything up? NO.
Do they need it now that we killed everyone and fucked everything up? YES.
That's not DEFENSE. "You break, you buy".
the first no doesn't mean anything, i'm not speaking on the past
also we don't have to fix any country we war with.. so i don't see why you're sticking to a glassware store slogan
so now that you say yes... you just agreed to the attacking defender that you made fun of. see how easy that was?
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I haven't said anything that I didn't already say before. If you read all my other posts, you will see that I've been saying the exact same thing, and NO I don't agree with your "attacking defender" theory.
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Read some of the posts on Page3... they still show that your statement is false, and nothing has changed. You claimed that we attack countries and then defend them from others. That's not true. Your example of Guam illustrates this because the Japanese already attacked Guam, we went in to attack the Japanese, and defend the people of Guam. Iraq is a totally different situation because we attacked Iraq. Your theory would claim that "we attacked Iraq to defend it from Iraq", and if that's what you're sticking to, then I don't need to say anything else because that's self-explanatory. If you want to change your statement, be my guest.
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also we don't have to fix any country we war with..
are we at war with iraq or are we liberating iraq? according to Bush it is the latter.
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Read some of the posts on Page3... they still show that your statement is false, and nothing has changed. You claimed that we attack countries and then defend them from others. That's not true. Your example of Guam illustrates this because the Japanese already attacked Guam, we went in to attack the Japanese, and defend the people of Guam. Iraq is a totally different situation because we attacked Iraq. Your theory would claim that "we attacked Iraq to defend it from Iraq", and if that's what you're sticking to, then I don't need to say anything else because that's self-explanatory. If you want to change your statement, be my guest.
seeing as 52 members of iraqs government is/can be charged with war crimes against the citizens that live in it's borders, including the leader of the country...also with the current events in iraq with iraqi insurgents attacking iraqi polce, security and civilians i can easily say that the iraqi people need protection from iraqi people both before and after the US invasion
you even agreed that iraq needs protection and guess who is providing the protection? the US. meaning that yes we did attack the country and now we are defending the country...so even though you refuse to accept any other form of attack/defense that has happened at anytime in the past (my three examples weren't the all inclusive list that you try and make it out to be) you acknowledged that it is happening now.
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also we don't have to fix any country we war with..
are we at war with iraq or are we liberating iraq? according to Bush it is the latter.
how do you liberate a country with a hostile dictator peacefully? has there ever been any type of liberation of this sccale without blood shed?
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also we don't have to fix any country we war with..
are we at war with iraq or are we liberating iraq? according to Bush it is the latter.
how do you liberate a country with a hostile dictator peacefully? has there ever been any type of liberation of this sccale without blood shed?
This is your problem, you act like everything has a simple solution and is the result of a simple cause. Iraq has a dictator, we remove him, kill some people, and then defend the people. To completely understand a problem and the present situation, you have to look back at the causes and roots of that problem. Let me ask you something, why didn't the U.S. take these measures right after Saddam came to power? That's considering the U.S. actually went into Iraq to "liberate" them. Why didn't we "liberate" them then? To go back even more, why did we help Saddam come to power? Why did we support him? We didn't care about the Iraqi population then, we don't care now. The U.S. government is doing it because it's a duty, not out of some pity charity bullshit. If you don't know the history, you really have no room to make dumb remarks like you do. Bottom line is that the U.S. is occupying Iraq, not defending it from anyone. If you want to claim that the U.S. initially went there to defend the Iraqi civilians from Saddam, then you can ask yourself whose fault that was in the first place, and why we didn't do anything before. The answer is simply, we don't give a shit about the Iraqi people. We're doing what we're doing now only because it's in "our" interest, and by our I mean our government and the big businesses racking in the $$$.
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And don't try to take things back to square 1 with your irrational statement of "are we defending Iraqis, yes or no?". It's not a yes or no question, and my answer is in all my posts.
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it is a yes or no questions because no matter what the reason we're defending them for, we're still defending them...
if i donate 1,000,000 to charity does it matter if i did it of free will? or maybe it was a stipulation in a Will that i had to to get the rest of an inheritence, or maybe i saw it as spare change and still decided to donate that money because i could just write it off on taxes, or i got the money from a big drug sale...
does that make that $1,000,000 worth any less?
you're putting your moral beliefs into something that's happening and since you see the past as wrong, you are claiming that it's less than what it is
i already know the general history of iraq, that we've done more wrong than right there