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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: teecee on August 14, 2002, 09:59:48 PM
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Tha Row and there fans are pathetic cuz they diss people like Kurupt, Dre, Xzibt, etc, but you know that is just cuz they know Tha Row cannot be successful with just Crooked I and the rest of them....i guarantee you if Dre did actually go back they would all be on his dick again.....most fans of Tha Row are idiots, people who just love the label, and don't give a fuck about music (how else can you explain liking TGFR).......it looks like the music is going to get better for Tha Row, and props to them. However, fuck Tha Row and their fans for being hypocritical.
Props to BPG for making people look stupid as hell....
As for Crooked I, every Row fan says he is the best anyway, so why would he need Dre tracks anyway? Why? Cuz Crooked I will not sell shit otherwise. See, he is a tight battle rapper, but that shit doesn't equate to sales, and nobody else on Tha Row does either (still, at least they have some talent nowadays)
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Dont generalize. There are tons of stupid Snoop fans too. And Pac fans too..
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Dont generalize. There are tons of stupid Snoop fans too. And Pac fans too..
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well i liked TGFR. its a cool compilation. but i cant understand one thing... most of the tharow fans are suge knight fans.- they put a pic of him in their signature or as an avatar pic. they hyped up when the read another interview and they say hes da GOAT...lol fuck that. if he says dre is gay or snoop has to pay popos or crips or whatever, peeps really believe him.. another example: daz is releasin HIS old deathrow material..i mean he gives us the tight music suge dont wanted to release (fe. soopafly) but still some row fans say: "damn hes bootleggin deathrow material, he dont have the right to do that, it is owned by suge, i dont buy that, blabla...." .... ::) unbelievable.
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Just a precisation. Daz said Dre is gay too. And Pac too. So they have all the rights to trust them more than... let's say... Dre fans! ;D
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Dont generalize. There are tons of stupid Snoop fans too. And Pac fans too..
Like Big Bpg (with that gay avatar) and Antonio (....)
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Like Big Bpg (with that gay avatar) and Antonio (....)
Hahahah.. Myrealname calling Big Bpg a stupid Snoop fan.. that's hot! Will you ever stop being the joke of the board, man? For real..
And i already exposed you about the Antonio dickrider thing: u called me a 5 Footaz dickrider, a Warren G dickrider, a Nate Dogg dickrider, a Daz dickrider, a Death Row/Kurupt dickrider and a 2Pac dickrider.. what's next?
You noticed my Roscoe pic? You wanna start calling me Roscoe dickrider too? C'mon.. that shit is funny.
99% of your posts are about Snoop, against rappers Snoop dissed and overrating rappers before he even made 1 single track just cause Snoop signed him.....
And the rest, 1%, are just beefs you collect here and there... with guys not even caring about you! You dissed Suge, but you worse!
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Hahahah.. Myrealname calling Big Bpg a stupid Snoop fan.. that's hot! Will you ever stop being the joke of the board, man? For real..
And i already exposed you about the Antonio dickrider thing: u called me a 5 Footaz dickrider, a Warren G dickrider, a Nate Dogg dickrider, a Daz dickrider, a Death Row/Kurupt dickrider and a 2Pac dickrider.. what's next?
You noticed my Roscoe pic? You wanna start calling me Roscoe dickrider too? C'mon.. that shit is funny.
99% of your posts are about Snoop, against rappers Snoop dissed and overrating rappers before he even made 1 single track just cause Snoop signed him.....
And the rest, 1%, are just beefs you collect here and there... with guys not even caring about you! You dissed Suge, but you worse!
UH UH
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By the way guys, i am not trying to diss people who are actually fans of Death Row's current roster, i just think, like SUES pointed out, that most ROW fans are fans of Suge Knight.....why, i don't know? Maybe because you admire someone who is arrogant, classless, talks like an incoherent fool, and treats everyone around him like shit......
For people who genuinely liked Tha Realest, Top Dogg, etc, and currently like Crooked I, Spider, etc, its cool.
It just seems to me that a lot of Tha Row fans are people who were not even into hip hop when Death Row started out, and they only like Tha Row cuz they love Tupac.....
Antonio: I wasn't trying to generalize, but if yo go to a Death Row board most of the posters back up my claims, and posters on this board such as KURUPT007 and THA ROWSTER are great examples of what i am talking about (youngsters who don't know shit that are on THa Row bandwagon even though Tha Row has not put out one decent album from a new artist in YEARS)........
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Teecee i feel you. Some are very stupid, but trust me there are Doggystyle and DPG dickrider too. And in this board they are a lot. Try to diss Snoop in this board and you'll see.
Btw the Suge thing... i think it's like Harry O said. Suge had to stay underground to run things well. But he didnt. He started to like frontpages on The Source, XXL, etc.. and that's when IMO Death Row started to fall down. He HAD to stay underground. Now he's getting a lot of exposure, and that's why DR fans love him. He's making promises, dissing rappers, doing this shit... he became the biggest star on his label, like Snoop said. More than Crooked I & Kurupt. And that's why i'm saying he had to stay underground. But... anyway i feel you in your post.
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even though Tha Row has not put out one decent album from a new artist in YEARS)........
yeah if you think about it, what was the last REAL solo album by an artist that Death row put out? probably Michel'le's album or something like that. And thats from the original era
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yeah if you think about it, what was the last REAL solo album by an artist that Death row put out? probably Michel'le's album or something like that. And thats from the original era
Well.. it's not really Michel'le, but i know what you mean. The last solo cd of NEW SHIT that Death Row/Tha Row released. And yeah, it's Michel'le..
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suge is damn overvalued. hes shit without the OG deathrow family. its a fact that these artists made death row records... they made suge knight rich. but still some peeps say deathrow made them all.... damn lol thats absurd.
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I was as big a Death Row fan back in the day as any, but it was because they dropped the dopest music in the industry and totally changed the west coast sound. NYC was hurting in 92/93 cuz of the Chronic and Doggystyle. Rappers back then were lucky if they went Gold (like Illmatic), and maybe platinum or 2x platinum if they had a catchy single (Except for MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice, and I think Kris Kross). Dre and Snoop were pushing like 3x, 4x, 5x platinum records with straight G-shit.
So, basically, a Death Row fan back then was a Dr. Dre, Snoop, or a Dogg Pound fan. No one knew who Suge Knight was back then, except that his name was on the back of every CD as Executive Producer.
I wasn't really into Pac when he joined up with the Row...Even if he repped Death Row hardcore, he wasn't really on the label very long before he died, and I always felt like he was just added on the roster after Death Row was already established as a major powerhouse rap label.
This is why I don't understand hardcore Row fans now. They're clearly more intrigued by the image than the actual music. If you were a TRUE old school Death Row fan, you can't hate on Dre, Snoop, etc..Cuz they WERE Death Row back then. So all these annoying newbie f*cks are either hardcore 2Pac or Suge Knight fans. That's cool if you don't care about the music, but it IS a record label after all. I think Crooked I has potential, but a lot of rappers drop a handful of good songs. Let's wait and see what his album's all about.
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AfterMAthematics: your post is EXACTLY what i am trying to say about the current state of Tha Row and its fans.....PROPS man, peace
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I was as big a Death Row fan back in the day as any, but it was because they dropped the dopest music in the industry and totally changed the west coast sound. NYC was hurting in 92/93 cuz of the Chronic and Doggystyle. Rappers back then were lucky if they went Gold (like Illmatic), and maybe platinum or 2x platinum if they had a catchy single (Except for MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice, and I think Kris Kross). Dre and Snoop were pushing like 3x, 4x, 5x platinum records with straight G-shit.
So, basically, a Death Row fan back then was a Dr. Dre, Snoop, or a Dogg Pound fan. No one knew who Suge Knight was back then, except that his name was on the back of every CD as Executive Producer.
I wasn't really into Pac when he joined up with the Row...Even if he repped Death Row hardcore, he wasn't really on the label very long before he died, and I always felt like he was just added on the roster after Death Row was already established as a major powerhouse rap label.
This is why I don't understand hardcore Row fans now. They're clearly more intrigued by the image than the actual music. If you were a TRUE old school Death Row fan, you can't hate on Dre, Snoop, etc..Cuz they WERE Death Row back then. So all these annoying newbie f*cks are either hardcore 2Pac or Suge Knight fans. That's cool if you don't care about the music, but it IS a record label after all. I think Crooked I has potential, but a lot of rappers drop a handful of good songs. Let's wait and see what his album's all about.
Thats the truth right there.
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wordddddddd :D
This is why I don't understand hardcore Row fans now. They're clearly more intrigued by the image than the actual music. If you were a TRUE old school Death Row fan, you can't hate on Dre, Snoop, etc..Cuz they WERE Death Row back then. So all these annoying newbie f*cks are either hardcore 2Pac or Suge Knight fans. That's cool if you don't care about the music, but it IS a record label after all. I think Crooked I has potential, but a lot of rappers drop a handful of good songs. Let's wait and see what his album's all about.
this new kids know shit about the old death row... they just jumping on the coat tails of pac... IMO pac fucked death row up.
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I was a core Death Row fan up untill about 2000, and I was a core fan of all the ex inmates. I like the Chronic 2000 compilation they put out, I mean it wasn't classic material like they used to put out, but it is good. I still like the Row and I hope it does well, but realistically they haven't done shit since like 1998 (RR&GB) with an artist that isn't dead or not on the label anymore. I like Dead Man Walking, and I really like DPG 2002, but all these row fans talk a grip a shit about how good the row is. How do you know? They haven't dropped any albums by a new artist. I bought TGFTR and I like a few songs on it, but for the most part it is below average. The only reason it even sold what it did and got the props it does get is cause it was released on the Row. Just like Snoop has lived off of his reputation from the chronic and doggystyle, tha row has lived off of Death Row's reputation since 1998 IMO. If the Row has all these great artists than why hasn't an album dropped. I think crooked I is an excellent rapper and all, but some people talk about him like he is God. The reason I believe that he or any other solo artist on the row have not dropped an album, is cause Suge knows that it isn't classic material, and it is not good enough to back up all the shit talking. Think about it, crooked I has had at least 4 years to make an album, that is a long fucking time. It isn't a money problem or a promotion problem, cause Suge can deal with both those very easily, cause suge is very rich, and he is a man that lets himself be known. I feel that no one on tha row has made an album up to Suge's standards. And suge is always talking about how he don't need dre or snoop or any of the ex inmates, but he knows his artists can't come close to what they have done. This is all my thoughts on the situation.
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Yo Teecee I agree wit' u 100%.
Just I feel BpG's topic had an oppisite effect on "Tha Row" hater's.
Cause outta the woodwork, all the same peep's that were swinging from Dre's nutz let go........and began callin' out names.
The same goe's for Kuruprt.....Danm!!! I never heard of peep's getting mad at someone for making a livin'.
Xzibit is begining to feel the heat (and off of rumor's).
Most of the hate come's from the "Tha Row" hater's, who want the company to fail like it was their money involved....lol
I give prop's to BpG...for making the Transformer's be known.
I've been checkin' them for a while now.
Peace
Hatesrats 2oo2
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I was as big a Death Row fan back in the day as any, but it was because they dropped the dopest music in the industry and totally changed the west coast sound. NYC was hurting in 92/93 cuz of the Chronic and Doggystyle. Rappers back then were lucky if they went Gold (like Illmatic), and maybe platinum or 2x platinum if they had a catchy single (Except for MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice, and I think Kris Kross). Dre and Snoop were pushing like 3x, 4x, 5x platinum records with straight G-shit.
So, basically, a Death Row fan back then was a Dr. Dre, Snoop, or a Dogg Pound fan. No one knew who Suge Knight was back then, except that his name was on the back of every CD as Executive Producer.
I wasn't really into Pac when he joined up with the Row...Even if he repped Death Row hardcore, he wasn't really on the label very long before he died, and I always felt like he was just added on the roster after Death Row was already established as a major powerhouse rap label.
This is why I don't understand hardcore Row fans now. They're clearly more intrigued by the image than the actual music. If you were a TRUE old school Death Row fan, you can't hate on Dre, Snoop, etc..Cuz they WERE Death Row back then. So all these annoying newbie f*cks are either hardcore 2Pac or Suge Knight fans. That's cool if you don't care about the music, but it IS a record label after all. I think Crooked I has potential, but a lot of rappers drop a handful of good songs. Let's wait and see what his album's all about.
Word up
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wordddddddd :D
this new kids know shit about the old death row... they just jumping on the coat tails of pac... IMO pac fucked death row up.
Dont say shit please. Like if Pac changed everything...
Pac had just a personality that was 10x bigger than the one of Dre and other DR members, so he became the LEADER. But you cant say he fucked up Death Row. Why? Just cause he was making music better than the one of Snoop? Just cause he was the "new" leader? Dont hate, pls. Explain it.
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Posted by: AfterMathematics Posted on: 15.08.02 at 23:19:43
This is why I don't understand hardcore Row fans now. They're clearly more intrigued by the image than the actual music.
I'd agree with that, I think a lot of people are letting 'beefs' between rappers/record companies decide on what they listen to these days. In some cases there can be justifiable reasons for it, although most of the times it just pety reasons.
I think Snoop did raise a point in his new diss track to Suge, 'Pimp Slap'. "You need to just start rhyming, 'cause you the biggest star on your label."
Crooked I's album should be good but the others :-/ I dunno.
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Dont say shit please. Like if Pac changed everything...
Pac had just a personality that was 10x bigger than the one of Dre and other DR members, so he became the LEADER. But you cant say he fucked up Death Row. Why? Just cause he was making music better than the one of Snoop? Just cause he was the "new" leader? Dont hate, pls. Explain it.
Yo, Im not gonna jump to tha conclusion to say that Pac fucked up DR.....but I will say this.....as soon as Pac came to DR Suge started ridin' his nutz and actin' like all he needed was Pac to run his label, he didnt need Snoop, he didnt need Dre, he didnt need any1 except for Pac......Im not blamin' it on Pac that is mostly Suge's wrong doing again.....but just think......what would have happened to DR if Pac didnt sign to em'?.......would Dre still have left?.....would Snoop still have left?.......would Pac still have started that major, major beef wit Biggie?......its all on Suge's shoulders.....its really not Pac's fault for tearin' up DR but when he signed that's when things fell apart......imo I think that if Pac wouldnt have signed then Suge would have known he needed Dre and Snoop alot more....dont get me wrong Im not blamin' none of this split on Pac....its all on Suge.....like Snoop said...."u fucked up tha industry and thats on me"!!!!
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Yo, Im not gonna jump to tha conclusion to say that Pac fucked up DR.....but I will say this.....as soon as Pac came to DR Suge started ridin' his nutz and actin' like all he needed was Pac to run his label, he didnt need Snoop, he didnt need Dre, he didnt need any1 except for Pac......Im not blamin' it on Pac that is mostly Suge's wrong doing again.....but just think......what would have happened to DR if Pac didnt sign to em'?.......would Dre still have left?.....would Snoop still have left?.......would Pac still have started that major, major beef wit Biggie?......its all on Suge's shoulders.....its really not Pac's fault for tearin' up DR but when he signed that's when things fell apart......imo I think that if Pac wouldnt have signed then Suge would have known he needed Dre and Snoop alot more....dont get me wrong Im not blamin' none of this split on Pac....its all on Suge.....like Snoop said...."u fucked up tha industry and thats on me"!!!!
Yeah, i can agree on this version.. Btw one thing is sure. When you said: "would Pac still have started that major, major beef wit Biggie?". It's YES, cause he blamed him not for a music beef, but cause he thought BIG setted him up. And he dissed him before he signed with DR.
Btw it's not only Pac! Cause ok, cut Dre (but it wasnt a problem when Pac was alive. DR never suffered because of that when Pac was alive..), cut Pac and you still got the whole DPG Crew signed to DR. But they left cause Snoop left! Snoop leaving DR fucked it up IMO.
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word up AfterMathematics
Yeah, i can agree on this version.. Btw one thing is sure. When you said: "would Pac still have started that major, major beef wit Biggie?". It's YES, cause he blamed him not for a music beef, but cause he thought BIG setted him up. And he dissed him before he signed with DR.
Btw it's not only Pac! Cause ok, cut Dre (but it wasnt a problem when Pac was alive. DR never suffered because of that when Pac was alive..), cut Pac and you still got the whole DPG Crew signed to DR. But they left cause Snoop left! Snoop leaving DR fucked it up IMO.
It was still fucked up since Dre 's the one that made this label and introduced all it's artist with The Chronic.
And Snoop would never have hooked up wit Tha Row if it wasn't for Dre cause Warren G hooked him with Dre up.
And if it wasn't for the Eazy beef alot of people wouldn't have buyd The Chronic so Snoop's Doggystyle wouldn't have been
that anticipated plus it wouldn't have the dope Dre production.
In the origin everything based on Dre and it was FUCKED up that he had to leave the label he had made so big.
And if Dre wouldn't have left Snoop wouldn't have left neither so it's again on Suge (and Pac in a way) cause they made Dre leave.
U can't say cut Dre , no problem.
It IS a problem.
It's THE problem.
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Your opinion. Mine is different. Expecially cause at that moment Dre wasnt making shit. 1 song in 1 year doesnt exactly mean to be "essential" for the record label. And Death Row did great shit with Daz being the producer too.
Cut 2Pac and Snoop, the 2 real stars, and YES we got a problem. Cut Suge too, and it's death.
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Your opinion. Mine is different. Expecially cause at that moment Dre wasnt making shit. 1 song in 1 year doesnt exactly mean to be "essential" for the record label. And Death Row did great shit with Daz being the producer too.
Cut 2Pac and Snoop, the 2 real stars, and YES we got a problem. Cut Suge too, and it's death.
cut Suge and Pac and it is what it has been all the time
(exept for the beginning Suge didn't do shit)
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And Pac fans too..
You being a major one.
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well i like tha row, and was gonna support them wit or wit out kurupt or dre. i like tha row because, it seems like they are the only people on tha west coast these days, thats trynna release some new shit. snoop is weak as hell, and he's basically washed up now, and it seems like no one wants to try to promote our up & coming talent except for suge. the majority of west coast artists & labels (except for the independent artists & labels) are droppin some bullshit, and not trynna bring a new sound.
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well i like tha row, and was gonna support them wit or wit out kurupt or dre. i like tha row because, it seems like they are the only people on tha west coast these days, thats trynna release some new shit. snoop is weak as hell, and he's basically washed up now, and it seems like no one wants to try to promote our up & coming talent except for suge. the majority of west coast artists & labels (except for the independent artists & labels) are droppin some bullshit, and not trynna bring a new sound.
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You being a major one.
Man i already joked about you when you called me a 2Pac dickrida cause i was pissed off about a Daz move (and i'm the ex webmaster of DPGRECORDZ.CJB.NET), lol. Now you wanna continue?
Ok, call me a 2Pac dickrider. Now? What's the point of your post? You just here to loose time? Good job.
To D.R.E. Dog, we cant really do scenarios like those ones knowing the real truth. Truth is that Death Row was a bomb about to explode. It did it when Pac died and Suge went to jail, not before with Dre. And the last shot who killed Death Row for years was Snoop leaving, with all his crew. It's not that DR failed cause Dre left, IMO. But cause they all left but Daz, the only real one who didnt leave the boat till the end.
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well i like tha row, and was gonna support them wit or wit out kurupt or dre. i like tha row because, it seems like they are the only people on tha west coast these days, thats trynna release some new shit. snoop is weak as hell, and he's basically washed up now, and it seems like no one wants to try to promote our up & coming talent except for suge. the majority of west coast artists & labels (except for the independent artists & labels) are droppin some bullshit, and not trynna bring a new sound.
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well i like tha row, and was gonna support them wit or wit out kurupt or dre. i like tha row because, it seems like they are the only people on tha west coast these days, thats trynna release some new shit. snoop is weak as hell, and he's basically washed up now, and it seems like no one wants to try to promote our up & coming talent except for suge. the majority of west coast artists & labels (except for the independent artists & labels) are droppin some bullshit, and not trynna bring a new sound.
trying to release some new shit huh? So when was the last time they released an album by an living artist on the row right now? Maybe Daz RR&GB, or Michele. But they do continue to release old stuff by old artists. Suge promotes up and comming talent? Yeah right, last 25 times I have read an interview or heard him talk he is either dissing dre, snoop, dpg, or someone else, and he talks about crooked I. I have seen no promotion for crook though. Your post makes no sense IMO.
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Well I for one like Tha Row/Deathrow, but I have heard Crooked I and really he is ok, but I dont rate him like he is the next big thing,
I got into Deathrow around All Eyez On Me and Doggfather, which were my first hip hop albums along with Regulate by Warren G,
I have stayed loyal to Deathrow and beleive they have the talent to become big again
Not like before but they can make a name in this game again, I like how Deathrow do things by makin enemies, this approach makes impacts and brings the best outta artits, but what they need to do is get with Dre and Snoop again and beef with such fake acts like Murder Inc and DMX and all these other busters.
The day I see Suge Knight and Irv Gotti in a picture reppin there labels is the day I leave Deathrow, you cant claim to be "real" and then hang with studio gangsters like Murder Inc, Deathrow got some tight artists, but they need to actually RELEASE there shit.
I for one liked TGFR and Chronic 2000, thats the first time I really branched away from "MAINSTREAM" artists ie Snoop, Dre, Pac and I was impressed.
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trying to release some new shit huh? So when was the last time they released an album by an living artist on the row right now? Maybe Daz RR&GB, or Michele. But they do continue to release old stuff by old artists. Suge promotes up and comming talent? Yeah right, last 25 times I have read an interview or heard him talk he is either dissing dre, snoop, dpg, or someone else, and he talks about crooked I. I have seen no promotion for crook though. Your post makes no sense IMO.
Silence is better than wack soundtracks with just 1 good song, compilations biting 70's style and albums of Latoya Williams and Kokane. Yaknowhatimean? EVERY SINGLE SOLO album DR released was a classic. Judge them after Crooked I. Right now Suge is trying to make Tha Row fresh again, after it was dead. Crooked I's album is coming in 20 days..
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The day I see Suge Knight and Irv Gotti in a picture reppin there labels is the day I leave Deathrow, you cant claim to be "real" and then hang with studio gangsters like Murder Inc.
I don't think u'll have to wait too long for that...
Yaknowhatimean? EVERY SINGLE SOLO album DR released was a classic.
u keep talkin about Death Rows past ignoring the fact that this past consisted of exactly those persons that are against Tha Row now.
As for the soundtracks both The Wash and Bones have more thatn 1 good track.
As for Tha Row
it wasn't silence
It was a weak compilation ful of pointless disses to Dre etc...
plus just when Suge came out of jail he released Chronicle, Dres 'Best Of', Snoop's 'Best Of' and Tha Dogg Pound 2002
expect for that they didn't release shit.
nothing new it's just the opposite of what yung-g said.
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u keep talkin about Death Rows past ignoring the fact that this past consisted of exactly those persons that are against Tha Row now.
Naw, i aint ignoring that. DR knows they got history. That they released only classic albums. So they waiting for the right time to release a "classic" album. They can release 30 compilations and soundtracks too. But now that Suge is out, they dont have to. He'll make the disses, and DR will release real albums.
As for the soundtracks both The Wash and Bones have more thatn 1 good track.
As for Tha Row
it wasn't silence
It was a weak compilation ful of pointless disses to Dre etc...
plus just when Suge came out of jail he released Chronicle, Dres 'Best Of', Snoop's 'Best Of' and Tha Dogg Pound 2002
expect for that they didn't release shit.
nothing new it's just the opposite of what yung-g said.
As far as The Wash and Bones Soundtracks... we can call them everything but CLASSIC albums. A cd single with 2-3 songs was better. Tell me a single classic album out from Doggystyle Records. Just 1. Nothing.
Btw Chronicle was been released by Death Row UK and they released Dogg Pound 2002 just to disturb Daz's Dillinger & Young Gotti.
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The Wash was just a little above average, yet it was better than anything THe Row has put out in 5 years.....that alone proves how sad the state of Tha ROw truly is.....
The Wash
On THe Boulevard
Holla
Str.8 Westcoast
Bad Intentions
If Tha Row puts can equal this many tight songs in the next year, i would be very surprised......(and unreleased Pac doesn't count)
In unrelated news, i was checking out allhiphop.com and a guy in the forum said he was at a concert where Ras, Kurupt and Roscoe performed together......and he said they performed a new song where Ras says sumthin like
"Fuck Dre and Fuck Em", and sumthen about X to tha Z being cool wit him.....
Of course, you can't really believe this fool for sure.......also on that board they talk how Canibus might be signed by Tha Row, and maybe Ras Kass (although EVERYONE might be signed by Tha Row)......if Ras and Canibus signed, that would be 3/4 of the original 4 Horsemen! Crazy ass rumours about THa Row, i guess ya never know.....
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well i like tha row, and was gonna support them wit or wit out kurupt or dre. i like tha row because, it seems like they are the only people on tha west coast these days, thats trynna release some new shit. Snoop is basically washed up now, and it seems like no one wants to try to promote our up & coming talent except for suge. the majority of west coast artists & labels (except for the independent artists & labels) are droppin some bullshit, and not trynna bring a new sound.
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they released Dogg Pound 2002 just to disturb Daz's Dillinger & Young Gotti.
I don't see how that make them look any betta.
It shows they're silly bitches and all they can do is disturbing others stuff cause they can't compete with them.
The Wash was just a little above average, yet it was better than anything THe Row has put out in 5 years.....that alone proves how sad the state of Tha ROw truly is.....
The Wash
On THe Boulevard
Holla
Str.8 Westcoast
Bad Intentions
If Tha Row puts can equal this many tight songs in the next year, i would be very surprised......(and unreleased Pac doesn't count)
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Dont say shit please. Like if Pac changed everything...
Pac had just a personality that was 10x bigger than the one of Dre and other DR members, so he became the LEADER. But you cant say he fucked up Death Row. Why? Just cause he was making music better than the one of Snoop? Just cause he was the "new" leader? Dont hate, pls. Explain it.
Pac didn't make betta music than Snoop and Dre.
None of his albums can compete with Doggystyle or The Chronic
And don't say it's only because of the much featured artists of these 2 albums
Most people consider All Eyez On Me as his best album
And out of 27 tracks there were 8 without any featured artists.
And he wasn't the leader
Suge wanted him to be the biggest star on Death Row cause he knew he had much influence on him. (and that's a fact since he even made him call Dre a fag and shit)
That's one of tha reasons Dre left for and Death Row was fucked for.
If Dre wouldn't have left he would have produced Snoop's next album too and we probably would have another Doggystyle!
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Pac didn't make betta music than Snoop and Dre.
None of his albums can compete with Doggystyle or The Chronic
And don't say it's only because of the much featured artists of these 2 albums
Most people consider All Eyez On Me as his best album
And out of 27 tracks there were 8 without any featured artists.
And he wasn't the leader
Suge wanted him to be the biggest star on Death Row cause he knew he had much influence on him. (and that's a fact since he even made him call Dre a fag and shit)
That's one of tha reasons Dre left for and Death Row was fucked for.
If Dre wouldn't have left he would have produced Snoop's next album too and we probably would have another Doggystyle!
I have to disagree with you. "All Eyes On Me" was and still is one of the greatest albums of all time. It's on the same level as a Chronic or Doggystyle if not better depending on what you may prefer.
What does Pac bein the biggest star on the label has to do with Suge infleunce? Pac was the biggest star because at the time he was dropping hotter music then his label mates.
Your arguement about AEOM having alot of guest is weak. If you look at DR past they always had ton of guest apprences, like The Chronic, Doggystyle, Dogg Food, Dogfather etc.
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Pac didn't make betta music than Snoop and Dre. None of his albums can compete with Doggystyle or The Chronic
First of all i was referring to the music made in late 1995-1996, during the "Pac era" of Death Row. Dre didnt even made music, while Snoop just worked on collaborations and released Tha Doggfather. Feel me? Pac made history in 1995-96. I'm not talking in general, cause i know before Pac Snoop & Dre ruled, and i'm a big big fan of Snoop DOGGY Dogg. I was referring to 1995-96..
And he wasn't the leader
Suge wanted him to be the biggest star on Death Row cause he knew he had much influence on him. (and that's a fact since he even made him call Dre a fag and shit)
That's one of tha reasons Dre left for and Death Row was fucked for.
If Dre wouldn't have left he would have produced Snoop's next album too and we probably would have another Doggystyle!
Naw man, dont see it like that. What you wrote is fucked up. Pac was a leader BEFORE he signed to Death Row. He was down with Death Row member BEFORE he signed to Death Row (if you look at THUG ANGEL DVD he gave shots to Snoop saying he was a Thug Life too years BEFORE he signed to Death Row). He already made a number 1 and multi-platinum album BEFORE Death Row. He already was everytime in the news BEFORE Death Row. He already had a war with Biggie (he said Biggie setted him up) BEFORE Death Row. About Dre, Suge didnt say 2Pac to diss him. He noticed that Dre wasnt working. You know Pac was THE workaholic, and he said Dre-Daz-Kurupt-Snoop to work work work (read Daz's interview released on The Source i think, where he explains this, Pac's influence on him, making him a workaholic!). Dre didnt understand it. Cause he ALREADY had problems with Suge and the Death Row studious. He didnt want to fuck around with REAL GANGSTERS, he wasnt having the perfect atmosphere to make his famous beats no more. Pac dissed him and Dre finished outta Death Row. But, i repeat, i'm not saying this was a positive thing, but ONLY THAT IN 1995-96 DRE WASNT EVEN IN THE DEATH ROW STUDIOUS NO MORE! So kicking him out didnt change a thing, really.
It was been all the things together: Dre+2Pac+Suge+Snoop+the others who pratically DELETED Death Row. How can you judge the Lakers if you cut Phil Jackson+Kobe+Shaq+Horry? That's the problem. IMO.
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First of all i was referring to the music made in late 1995-1996, during the "Pac era" of Death Row. Dre didnt even made music, while Snoop just worked on collaborations and released Tha Doggfather. Feel me? Pac made history in 1995-96. I'm not talking in general, cause i know before Pac Snoop & Dre ruled, and i'm a big big fan of Snoop DOGGY Dogg. I was referring to 1995-96..
Naw man, dont see it like that. What you wrote is fucked up. Pac was a leader BEFORE he signed to Death Row. He was down with Death Row member BEFORE he signed to Death Row (if you look at THUG ANGEL DVD he gave shots to Snoop saying he was a Thug Life too years BEFORE he signed to Death Row). He already made a number 1 and multi-platinum album BEFORE Death Row. He already was everytime in the news BEFORE Death Row. He already had a war with Biggie (he said Biggie setted him up) BEFORE Death Row. About Dre, Suge didnt say 2Pac to diss him. He noticed that Dre wasnt working. You know Pac was THE workaholic, and he said Dre-Daz-Kurupt-Snoop to work work work (read Daz's interview released on The Source i think, where he explains this, Pac's influence on him, making him a workaholic!). Dre didnt understand it. Cause he ALREADY had problems with Suge and the Death Row studious. He didnt want to fuck around with REAL GANGSTERS, he wasnt having the perfect atmosphere to make his famous beats no more. Pac dissed him and Dre finished outta Death Row. But, i repeat, i'm not saying this was a positive thing, but ONLY THAT IN 1995-96 DRE WASNT EVEN IN THE DEATH ROW STUDIOUS NO MORE! So kicking him out didnt change a thing, really.
It was been all the things together: Dre+2Pac+Suge+Snoop+the others who pratically DELETED Death Row. How can you judge the Lakers if you cut Phil Jackson+Kobe+Shaq+Horry? That's the problem. IMO.
I said MOST people consider All Eyez On Me Pac's best album.
And all the shit about what Pac did 'BEFORE HE JOINED DEATH ROW' doesn't even matter.
I know that he was known before he joined but he was not the leader of Death Row.
And Dre did work. Just not as much as before cause before he did EVERYTHING.
Pac talked alot of fucked up shit about Dre which was anything but real.
I don't mean to disrespect Pac but that's a FACT.
Dre is for muthafuckin' SURE no faggot.
Fact is Death Row did very well before Pac joined.
And everything based on Dre cause he made Death Row.
He was the last one that should be forced to leave the label he made.
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Your arguement about AEOM having alot of guest is weak. If you look at DR past they always had ton of guest apprences, like The Chronic, Doggystyle, Dogg Food, Dogfather etc.
My words were:
'And don't say it's only because of the much featured artists of these 2 albums
Most people consider All Eyez On Me as his best album
And out of 27 tracks there were 8 without any featured artists.'
I mentioned that to make shure none of yall would say The Chronic was only good because of the features.