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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on March 26, 2005, 11:36:35 AM
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Quoted from Dr. Naim Akbar, a professor of African American and Islamic studies at Florida State University
"Whites, adhering to the value system of the West, place a premium on conquering people and developing objects. While that way of thinking has led to the many technological advancements that have made the United States the most powerful nation in the world, it has virtually ignored advancements in the human development and created a powerful country of dangerous, underdeveloped, primitive human beings."
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opinions are like assholes.. everybody's got them.
-anonymous
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Quoted from Dr. Naim Akbar, a professor of African American and Islamic studies at Florida State University
"Whites, adhering to the value system of the West, place a premium on conquering people and developing objects. While that way of thinking has led to the many technological advancements that have made the United States the most powerful nation in the world, it has virtually ignored advancements in the human development and created a powerful country of dangerous, underdeveloped, primitive human beings."
I wish I were just like you.
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wait a minute...aren't you white?
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wait a minute...aren't you white?
Yes, although I'm white I agree to his assesment, that although the West has brought about many technological advancements, they have failed in the more crucial realm of human development.
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wait a minute...aren't you white?
yes he's white but a muslim said it's not good to be white so he agrees with that.
you forget you're talking to a person that's more impressionable than a hyperactive 5 year old
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yes he's white but a muslim said it's not good to be white so he agrees with that.
you forget you're talking to a person that's more impressionable than a hyperactive 5 year old
It seems you want to hold onto your white racial supremecy complex. My thread didn't say it's bad to be white, my thread was a commentary on what Western civilization has brought to humanity. My thread was not about whites in general but it was speaking specifically to "whites who adhere to the value system of the West."
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You got the topic wrong infinite. he's not just dissing whites.. he's dissing America.
i don't see anything amazing or more clever in any country.. everywhere is just as full of idiots as everywhere else.. some just happen to live in a more rich and colourful environment with more 'toys' (advancements) to play with.
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wait a minute...aren't you white?
Yes, although I'm white I agree to his assesment, that although the West has brought about many technological advancements, they have failed in the more crucial realm of human development.
As opposed to the East which has been home Muslim dictators that kill entire race's of people because they feel like it, force women to dress a certain way with out exception, disallow listening to music, and put out bounty's on author's who have opnion's about Islam. We also have parts of India that promote honor over morailty which leads to young men killing their own grandmothers because the old lady was seen walking with a man, and chopping up there sisters because the 13 year old girl got raped (both true stories). Let's not forget communist Russia who would beat people for laughing and a whole bunch of other shit. And of course beautiful main land China who ran over 1000s of students with bull dozers because the young adults wanted to voice their thoughts on democracy.
Man, I bet you wished you lived in those parts of the world, eh Infinite. I would love to see you try and live in one of those environments for a few months, just so you finally realize how good you have it here.
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You got the topic wrong infinite. he's not just dissing whites.. he's dissing America.
i don't see anything amazing or more clever in any country.. everywhere is just as full of idiots as everywhere else.. some just happen to live in a more rich and colourful environment with more 'toys' (advancements) to play with.
Don't forget the two oceans they have to hide behind :D
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Yup, exactly. The two oceans help tremendously, plus having urgh... basically 'pacifist' neighbors who would never try to invade us or anything all this time helped. Well I guess we weren't that peaceful with Mexico since we basically stole half their country, but besides that Canada hasn't given us any trouble. Mexico's gonna kill us from within, though, which I have to applaud, since it's pretty smart.
Inf, how's your daddy's drinking? He smacked your mom up lately?
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so let's see if i got this right...
a white man declares war on terrorists.... you equate that to racism and genocide of all mulsims in the middle east.
a muslim man says white people that adhere to "western values" are dangerous, underdevoloped and primitive... and you equate this to some great thesis on western civilization
you're one confused cracker
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It's clear from the replies to this thread that racism is still alive and well. Many of you are still desperately clinging to your racist mentalities of white superiority.
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It's clear from the replies to this thread that racism is still alive and well. Many of you are still desperately clinging to your racist mentalities of white superiority.
I wasn't being racist.
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Yup, exactly. The two oceans help tremendously, plus having urgh... basically 'pacifist' neighbors who would never try to invade us or anything all this time helped. Well I guess we weren't that peaceful with Mexico since we basically stole half their country, but besides that Canada hasn't given us any trouble. Mexico's gonna kill us from within, though, which I have to applaud, since it's pretty smart.
Inf, how's your daddy's drinking? He smacked your mom up lately?
Many would argue that Mexico really didn't lose the Mexican-American War because We (mexicans) have taken back much of our land back as you can see
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Many would argue that Mexico really didn't lose the Mexican-American War because We (mexicans) have taken back much of our land back as you can see
This is off subject, but you know your signature is actually a Rakim quote that 2pac bit off of. Not out of disrespect, but as a tribute to Rakim.
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It's clear from the replies to this thread that racism is still alive and well. Many of you are still desperately clinging to your racist mentalities of white superiority.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
people that respond to a thread that drips with racism and they are racist... you're one fucked up cracker
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Yup, exactly. The two oceans help tremendously, plus having urgh... basically 'pacifist' neighbors who would never try to invade us or anything all this time helped. Well I guess we weren't that peaceful with Mexico since we basically stole half their country, but besides that Canada hasn't given us any trouble. Mexico's gonna kill us from within, though, which I have to applaud, since it's pretty smart.
Inf, how's your daddy's drinking? He smacked your mom up lately?
I almost missed this post when I scrolled down. Trauma is a perfect example of a white man who is underdeveloped as a human being. I post a social commentary by a history professor from a prestigious university, and the mere thought of it causes Trauma to lash out at me in such an unscrupulous manner, that he questions whether my dad has gotten drunk and smacked up my mother lately. This is a clear example of the terrible state of the human condition inside America. Only a beer-guzzling, confederate flag waving, mullet wearing, Axle Rose listenin', redneck like Trauma could come up with a statement like that.
Trauma, I'm going to respond to your ignorance with intellect. It is clear that you think hating me will improve your condition and make you feel better about your low position on the human scale. But there is a better solution for this. I'm going to give you a little advice. This comes from an Islamic teaching. If you fear that you are becoming envious of other people, then it will be beneficial for you to spend some time with people who are suffering and in a worse condition than you are in yourself. Give service to them. Maybe being around them will improve the concept you have of yourself. It will also serve another purpose and it may relieve you of some of your arrogance.
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Why do you keep referring to people as the white man and your white??? are you afraid or ashamed to be white? YOU REALLY WISH YOU WERE BLACK TO THE EXTREME SO YOU CAN BE LIKE A BLACK PATHER RADICAL HUH?
If you fear that you are becoming envious of other people, then it will be beneficial for you to spend some time with people who are suffering and in a worse condition than you are in yourself. Give service to them. Maybe being around them will improve the concept you have of yourself. It will also serve another purpose and it may relieve you of some of your arrogance.
THEN WHY DONT YOU MOVE TO THE MIDDLE EAST? Go give service to people who are worse of, as you say, or Better off, since people in america are SOO EVIL
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not all white's are stupid dumb fucks like this ugly bitch who makes difference between people only for the colour of their skin...
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It's clear from the replies to this thread that racism is still alive and well. Many of you are still desperately clinging to your racist mentalities of white superiority.
:loco:
Shallow's post was on point and not racist at all. Why don't you respond to him and do you respond to Trauma?
Of course you'll only reply to this reply I'm typing right now saying I'm racist cause I have a white skin.
You're one fucked up cracker.
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It's clear from the replies to this thread that racism is still alive and well. Many of you are still desperately clinging to your racist mentalities of white superiority.
:loco:
Shallow's post was on point and not racist at all. Why don't you respond to him and do you respond to Trauma?
Of course you'll only reply to this reply I'm typing right now saying I'm racist cause I have a white skin.
You're one fucked up cracker.
Got EM COACH!!!
NOW THAT WAS AN ONPOINT STATEMENT!
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shallow's post was fucking stupid, pardon my french. The guy knows a couple facts from here and there and thinks that's enough to put dozens of coutries into the axis of evil. Needles Kane's posts aren't any better. Y'all are some closed-minded parasites
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shallow's post was fucking stupid
why's that?
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How's your pop, infinite? I think that's what this post is ultimately about.
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shallow's post was fucking stupid, pardon my french. The guy knows a couple facts from here and there and thinks that's enough to put dozens of coutries into the axis of evil. Needles Kane's posts aren't any better. Y'all are some closed-minded parasites
Sorry, I didn't mean to gereralize and imply that the east was evil. I was merely trying to refute the claim that the west in particular has forgotten about human advancements. Obviously the east is not filled purely with evil characters and evil customs, but it is in no way superior to the west in an humanitarian aspect. Infinte makes it seem like there is less evil on the other side. You have to admit that there is just as much evil in non-white, non-christian countries, as there is in the white christian countries. I only brought up the east tragedies, and not the west ones, because the west evils were already discussed and brought up countless times by Infinte and there was no point in repeating them.
You also must notice the great sarcasm in my post. Infinte looks at the bad and ignores the good of America, so in return I did the same with the east, just to poke fun, but my message was there. You just have to look for it.
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How's your pop, infinite? I think that's what this post is ultimately about.
Thank you Dr. Phil! You have just erased a 600 year history of racist imperialism by reminding me that my father drank alcohol.
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he's ignoring my post
i knew it!
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he's ignoring my post
i knew it!
What else is new? He's been ignoring my posts since as long as I can remember. I think he only comes here because he enjoys getting a rise out of the right wing conservatives, and doesn't bother responding to reasonable, well thought out, posts by whites because reasonable whites don't exist in his mind, therefore he cannot acknowledge. Kind of like how Hitler refuted the existence of lesbians, because "what women could resist the German man?" It just wasnt possible to be a lesbian.
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It's clear from the replies to this thread that racism is still alive and well. Many of you are still desperately clinging to your racist mentalities of white superiority.
dude, just because someone doesn't agree with your point doesn't make them racist. you're trying to get something out of us that we're not going to say because we think it's bullshit.
the point of the professor is valid, but it's valid across all races in all countries and not exclusive to whites alone. i'm sorry, but there isn't any one race that you can sit here and say is perfect.
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How's your pop, infinite? I think that's what this post is ultimately about.
Thank you Dr. Phil! You have just erased a 600 year history of racist imperialism by reminding me that my father drank alcohol.
Um, am i getting this clear or are you calling him a racist because he said your father drank alcohol?? And Your White right? and this is towards you, so a white guy is being racist to another white guy who wishes he was black? right?....
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Mullah Nasrudin:
"Whites, adhering to the value system of the West, place a premium on conquering people and developing objects. While that way of thinking has led to the many technological advancements that have made the United States the most powerful nation in the world, it has virtually ignored advancements in the human development and created a powerful country of dangerous, underdeveloped, primitive human beings."
well, i don't see why he singled out "whites" and not more specifically "western values" or "europeans". other than that i think his statement is 100% on point.
The Myth Of White Superiority
i'd like to point out that this really depends on how you define "superiority". you're argument is almost untenable with individuals (like those among us) that are completely immersed in western values to begin with.
Shallow
let's pull out some of your ideas and put things into some perspective.
As opposed to the East which has been home Muslim dictators that kill entire race's of people because they feel like it
We also have parts of India that promote honor over morailty which leads to young men killing their own grandmothers
Let's not forget communist Russia <snip> And of course beautiful main land China
your examples are pretty much on point, but your thinking is flawed. western culture has been pervasive throughout the world in the past two centuries. you are talking about communist russia and communist china...communism itself is a western social & economic system, which is designed specifically to address and control the production of "objects" and distribution of wealth and power. your examples of russia and china are actually examples of western values corrupting and ruining cultures and peoples. communism in both russia and china have acted to undermine the very tenets that akbar holds up as important, and that is a western philosophy that has spread.
similarly, muslim dictators were propped up and put in place by the most part from the west; or assumed power after overthrowing puppet govts that western nations setup in the region. such is the case in iran, iraq, syria and elsewhere. this is actually another example of the west's destructive influence around the world.
your examples strengthen akbar's argument.
now, i certainly don't think akbar was trying to say that every non western culture was roses; they clearly weren't and aren't. what akbar is trying to say is that everything the west has accomplished is borderline meaningless, and has done more harm than good to the human condition.
akbar's point about human development and the problems with the west are, in my opinion, somewhat misdirected. conquering nations isn't particularly useful; developing objects is. the problem however isn't with the focus on developing of objects, but the lack of focus on human and spiritual development. his argument should be more focused on the values and the culture; but the development of objects itself isn't a problem and is actually pretty useful in many contexts.
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So when Saddam killed off al the Kurds, it was the US's fault? Or when Turkey killed 2 million Armenians in a Holocaust it was the West way of thinking that was reason? When a kid in India kills his recently raped sister because she defamed the family by getting raped, I guess that's somehow some white guy's fault too.
The fault lies in the human mind and the stupidity that plagues. It's not a white/black or east/west thing. Even great thinkers like Confuscious felt women were not good enough to walk on the same side of the road, and this was well before western involvement. Egypt had slaves to build their great pyramids. It goes much further back than western society taking over the world.
Also, communism was never prominant in western culture. Russia was quite diffrent from the rest of Europe. It's like calling a latino the same as a black creek native because some look the same.
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Kill Whitey!
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Shallow:
So when Saddam killed off al the Kurds, it was the US's fault?
saddam certainly did not kill off all the kurds. saddam had kurds in his administration. additionally, saddam did not even gas the kurds. the iranians gassed the kurds when they gassed a town during a battle and then blamed that on saddam.
second, i never suggested that the u.s. was responsible for saddam's actions. iraq is a problem that britain is more responsible for.
Or when Turkey killed 2 million Armenians in a Holocaust it was the West way of thinking that was reason?
you are creating strawman arguments to knock down. neither i, nor akbar, ever suggested that everything non-western was perfect. i specifically stated in my last post:
now, i certainly don't think akbar was trying to say that every non western culture was roses; they clearly weren't and aren't.
your examples are inconsistent with my position, and are misrepresenting my position. you are not even adressing the underlying argument here. the argument is that western values and culture are of little utility and have accomlished very little. western culture and values have been a destructive influence globally.
you have not even attempted to argue that point, your response has been solely that "other nations have also done ill". re-read the original quote. akbar is not saying "every culture other than european culture and value is good". that is not his position, that is not my position. what akbar is saying is that european culture is useless and has stifled human [and spiritual] development
The fault lies in the human mind and the stupidity that plagues.
fault lies with european culture and values. that's the point of the argument akbar was making. fault may lie elsewhere, noone is disagreeing there.
Even great thinkers like Confuscious felt women were not good enough to walk on the same side of the road
the equality of women is a separate issue from human development. you are looking at this problem incorrectly. this is not an issue of wrongs, it's an issue of rights. akbar is pointing out that european culture and values have not promoted the right type of development. it's not my intent to defend confucius (as he is another of your strawmen); but you shouldn't question "what has confucius done wrong", but "has cunfucius done the right things in terms of promoting human development that european culture has failed to do. and the answer there is going to be yes. and with the egyptians that you also mentioned, again the answer there is yes.
Egypt had slaves to build their great pyramids.
we can argue about how egyptian treatment of slaves was nowhere near as abhorrant as the european slavery as demonstrated in the u.s. for example. how those individuals were oft assimilated into the egyptian society and often given full rights and such after a period. egypt doesn't have the track record of segregation as the u.s. does. but this isn't an argument about "the greatest evils", which with american slavery, hitler and the holocaust, the nuking of civilian cities hiroshima and nagasaki....are going to be european as well...
this is more a question of culture and values. and the ancient egyptian culture was certainly more spiritual and promoted human development to an extent unparalleled in western culture.
Also, communism was never prominant in western culture.
it's a western philosophy. capitalism is another western philosophy that has many of the same flaws in the context of this argument.
Russia was quite diffrent from the rest of Europe.
eastern russia is often considered a part of europe. communism didn't start in russia anyway so i'm not sure why you are arguing that.
i'm not sure why you are trying to redefine this argument to some sort of comparison of wrongs and evils, rather than either defending what akbar is calling flaws in western culture and values, or attacking the actual attributes of civilization that akbar is praising. you've done neither. akbar never said "everything non european is perfect" so i'm not sure why you are trying to make that argument. it's an irrelevant argument.
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Look man, my argument was never with the original quote that started this post. It was with Infinite and his constant attempts to make white westerner's seem like the root of all evil. My post was only written to show that evil exists outside the west, and predates western influence. As for the quote itself; I think Akbar is generalizing way too much, and in some cases is just plain wrong. Slavery was not introduced with the western way of live. Cruelty also comes long before western development.
Do western values and culture prove useless when it comes to progressing humanity? I don't think so personally. Freedom of speech, religion, and healthcare (in some countries), I think is a great accomplishment. Democracy, even with it's faults is far better than monarchy, or dictatorship, in my opinion. Death penatlies have been abolished in many of the western countries. Morality before culture is greatly stressed.
I live in Canada and I can't imagine living under better circumstances in any other country else currently on this planet. Here you are free to preach what you like, so long as it doesn't incite violence or hate. You are allowed to choose what you believe in and are protected by law to believe in it. There are many different lifestyles and cultures you can be a part of. It isn't all 9 to 5 office work that leads to lesser developed countries being milked dry. If you wanted to live off the land and in the wilderness, there'd be few people looking for you and forcing you to get back in line. Obviously we are far from perfect but I find it hard to believe that humanity was far better off before the west began conquering. Moslty because I don't belive that Greece was the first nation to expand, and ancient Greece is the beginning of Western Development in most historian's minds. If you know of one before then feel free to share.
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Many would argue that Mexico really didn't lose the Mexican-American War because We (mexicans) have taken back much of our land back as you can see
This is off subject, but you know your signature is actually a Rakim quote that 2pac bit off of. Not out of disrespect, but as a tribute to Rakim.
It's from Pac's song "Got My Mind Made Up" and i've heard of more people who have also use that line, Run DMC used it before so what's your point?
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Kill Whitey!
Wannabe Black Power
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Kill Whitey!
Wannabe Black Power
No, Thats Infinite
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Um, am i getting this clear or are you calling him a racist because he said your father drank alcohol?? And Your White right? and this is towards you, so a white guy is being racist to another white guy who wishes he was black? right?....
No, that's not it at all, Trauma is a psychology major, and he thinks that US imperialism is something I imagined in my mind because I was angry over my fathers drinking problem.
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In Kazakhstan the gypsies and the jews make problems.
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You are a white muslim. Good for you. I disagree tho, what about the renaissance, the enlightenment, democracy, Christianity and the herb smokin 70s? The West has at points led mankind in human development. What you are saying is a crude over simplification. The problems with the West are problems of the human condition and not confined to Western thinking. Can you really say that Islam currently is a beacon of human development? ::)
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Yup, exactly. The two oceans help tremendously, plus having urgh... basically 'pacifist' neighbors who would never try to invade us or anything all this time helped. Well I guess we weren't that peaceful with Mexico since we basically stole half their country, but besides that Canada hasn't given us any trouble. Mexico's gonna kill us from within, though, which I have to applaud, since it's pretty smart.
Inf, how's your daddy's drinking? He smacked your mom up lately?
I almost missed this post when I scrolled down. Trauma is a perfect example of a white man who is underdeveloped as a human being. I post a social commentary by a history professor from a prestigious university, and the mere thought of it causes Trauma to lash out at me in such an unscrupulous manner, that he questions whether my dad has gotten drunk and smacked up my mother lately. This is a clear example of the terrible state of the human condition inside America. Only a beer-guzzling, confederate flag waving, mullet wearing, Axle Rose listenin', redneck like Trauma could come up with a statement like that.
Trauma, I'm going to respond to your ignorance with intellect. It is clear that you think hating me will improve your condition and make you feel better about your low position on the human scale. But there is a better solution for this. I'm going to give you a little advice. This comes from an Islamic teaching. If you fear that you are becoming envious of other people, then it will be beneficial for you to spend some time with people who are suffering and in a worse condition than you are in yourself. Give service to them. Maybe being around them will improve the concept you have of yourself. It will also serve another purpose and it may relieve you of some of your arrogance.
Talk about taking the bait....
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In Kazakhstan the gypsies and the jews make problems.
LOL!
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Dear Professor,
You are a dooshbag.
No, you are a doooooooshbag.
Love,
Yo mama
P.S.
When are people gonna stop putting America into a black and white box? We should have moved on to color TV by now. What the fk is a white person? They call people from Japan Japanese. Germans German. Americans should simply be Americans. And Fk the h8rs. All people are mixed, and we all came from a bitch that got fukced.
It's very simple.
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All people are mixed, and we all came from a bitch that got fukced.
I'm not mixed :)
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Yup, exactly. The two oceans help tremendously, plus having urgh... basically 'pacifist' neighbors who would never try to invade us or anything all this time helped. Well I guess we weren't that peaceful with Mexico since we basically stole half their country, but besides that Canada hasn't given us any trouble. Mexico's gonna kill us from within, though, which I have to applaud, since it's pretty smart.
Inf, how's your daddy's drinking? He smacked your mom up lately?
We burned down your white house and made that "54-40 or fight" slogan a joke.
and lol at that 2nd part.
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"I'm not mixed"
R u playin' and u feel me or did u come from a nation that has never "mixed" with other nations in the last 6000 years?
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In Kazakhstan the gypsies and the jews make problems.
LMAO
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Hate to tell you guys this, but all cultures have done and do fucked up shit. Arguing who has done the most fucked up shit is a waste of time. Personally, I would say that Caucasians as a whole have exceeded most other cultures, but to critique another culture and ignore the wrong in your own is pointless. Fixing your own culture and providing a good example for the rest of the world is the most you can really do.
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Hate to tell you guys this, but all cultures have done and do fucked up shit. Arguing who has done the most fucked up shit is a waste of time. Personally, I would say that Caucasians as a whole have exceeded most other cultures, but to critique another culture and ignore the wrong in your own is pointless. Fixing your own culture and providing a good example for the rest of the world is the most you can really do.
Thank you for the advice and that is exactly what I am doing with the origional post of this thread. I am a caucasion American, and I am looking internally at fixing the problems of the culture I was raised in.
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Hate to tell you guys this, but all cultures have done and do fucked up shit. Arguing who has done the most fucked up shit is a waste of time. Personally, I would say that Caucasians as a whole have exceeded most other cultures, but to critique another culture and ignore the wrong in your own is pointless. Fixing your own culture and providing a good example for the rest of the world is the most you can really do.
Thank you for the advice and that is exactly what I am doing with the origional post of this thread. I am a caucasion American, and I am looking internally at fixing the problems of the culture I was raised in.
How exactly are you going to fix it? Particularly when most of things you complain about are centuries old. We can't fix the world. I'm not being pessimistic, I'm being realistic. I would love to snap my fingers and put away with all evil intentions and acts, but it's not going to happen. Just live your life the best you can, and stay out of business that doesn't physically affect you. If you're being attacked or are in the presence of wrong doing then by all means do something, but to devote your time to making white people act more like you want them to act and think more like you want them to think is ridiculous. Why is it that you make a new post everytime any white person in the world even thinks of doing something bad, but seldom, or never, remark about those nut job Muslim fundamentalists that blow themselves up and kill dozens? Why don't you make thread everytime some ignorant black guy in the hood creates a huge ordeal because someone looked at him wrong and he needs to prove himslef to his ignorant friends? You can sit their and tell me that white society makes them do that all you want. Whatever helps you sleep at night, but remeber that for every black kid that gets gunned down in a US ghetto, there are 2 white guys taking guns to their own heads. Doesn't this society hurt whites too?
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Hate to tell you guys this, but all cultures have done and do fucked up shit. Arguing who has done the most fucked up shit is a waste of time. Personally, I would say that Caucasians as a whole have exceeded most other cultures, but to critique another culture and ignore the wrong in your own is pointless. Fixing your own culture and providing a good example for the rest of the world is the most you can really do.
Thank you for the advice and that is exactly what I am doing with the origional post of this thread. I am a caucasion American, and I am looking internally at fixing the problems of the culture I was raised in.
How exactly are you going to fix it?
How exactly am I going to fix it? By teaching others about Islam. Like Malcolm X said after taking Hajj and embracing true Islam, 'if white people in America can begin to practice Islam then white Americans can solve their race problem.'
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It seems you want to hold onto your white racial supremecy complex. My thread didn't say it's bad to be white, my thread was a commentary on what Western civilization has brought to humanity. My thread was not about whites in general but it was speaking specifically to "whites who adhere to the value system of the West."
This guy is white? And he doesn't hold those beliefs? Does that mean that not all whites foster those beliefs? Does that mean that not every citizen in the world holds the beliefs of their racial hierarchy? Does that mean that this guy is just an insecure white kid with diarreah of the mouth talking shit to make himself sound exhalted and above his peers who probably mock him everyday at school? Got the answer is so panifully evident I don't even know why people try and bullshit us like this. Dude, it's cool to be a muslim, and it's cool to be white. Everyone is different on this earth, despite being products of our own stigma. My advice to you is let it go, if you're seeking a higher truth, don't look to religion, or patterns in society, or any of that shit look to yourself. Please before you bring this jackass confused whiteboy thing off the internet and into real life and you are severely fucked up, or is that why you have to come bring your word here now?
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Hate to tell you guys this, but all cultures have done and do fucked up shit. Arguing who has done the most fucked up shit is a waste of time. Personally, I would say that Caucasians as a whole have exceeded most other cultures, but to critique another culture and ignore the wrong in your own is pointless. Fixing your own culture and providing a good example for the rest of the world is the most you can really do.
Thank you for the advice and that is exactly what I am doing with the origional post of this thread. I am a caucasion American, and I am looking internally at fixing the problems of the culture I was raised in.
How exactly are you going to fix it?
How exactly am I going to fix it? By teaching others about Islam. Like Malcolm X said after taking Hajj and embracing true Islam, 'if white people in America can begin to practice Islam then white Americans can solve their race problem.'
So you belive that every problem in Islamic countries is the fault of white Christians? It's the white guys fault that 60% of my Muslim friends claim they'll murder or severely beat their future daughters if they have sex before marriage? It's the white guys fault that Abu Bakr declared War on all those non Muslim in Byzantine and Persian empires?
I'm a white guy, and a christian, convince me why I should turn my back on one that established his words and beliefs through sacrifice, and peace, for a man that had to take armies and kill thousands of men to enforce his image of peace. Why did God personally interfere with a prophet like Moses and grant him powers to defeat an enemy and leave Mohammed and peers to fend for themselves? Why did Chrsitianity grow through sacrifice with out having to personally sin, and Islam grow through establishment. Christianity before Constantine had little faults. Post-Constantine Christianity obviousy did, but that doesn't change the fact that a religion that breeds suicide bombers, sexists, and psychopaths isn't going to change the world for the better. The difference between me and you is I don't think that everyone converting to Christianity is going to change anything. People are fucked, like Bruce Horsnby said (not Tupac) that's just the way it is, some things will never change.
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I was talking about racism. And I can assure that the masjid (Islamic mosque) is the most diverse place on Earth. I can assure you that the Holy City of Mekkah (May Allah fullfill Ibrahim's (Abraham's) supplication and perserve it as the city of peace and security)) is the most diverse city on Earth. So I don't feel that Malcolm X was at all incorrect in suggesting that Islam had the potential to solve America's race problem. When you truly begin to understand the Oneness of God (Allah) then you aquire the ability to accept the oneness of man under God.
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I was talking about racism. And I can assure that the masjid (Islamic mosque) is the most diverse place on Earth. I can assure you that the Holy City of Mekkah (May Allah fullfill Ibrahim's (Abraham's) supplication and perserve it as the city of peace and security)) is the most diverse city on Earth. So I don't feel that Malcolm X was at all incorrect in suggesting that Islam had the potential to solve America's race problem. When you truly begin to understand the Oneness of God (Allah) then you aquire the ability to accept the oneness of man under God.
So then what would be the difference between all converting to Islam, or all converting to Christianity, or Bhuddism? Why does it have to be Islam? Also, like I said above, 60% of my Muslim friends claim that they'd kill or brutally beat they're daughter for having premarital sex, but wouldn't mind if their son did. These are muslims and they wouldn't care if the guy she did it with was also Muslim, "she would have to die". How is that oneness under God? I think the world would be far better off if everyone followed oneness under logic.
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Dog the only one here who i think can't get over his white mans complex is you. :'(
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How exactly am I going to fix it? By teaching others about Islam. Like Malcolm X said after taking Hajj and embracing true Islam, 'if white people in America can begin to practice Islam then white Americans can solve their race problem.'
How will teaching white people to practice Islam really help anything? Islam has alot of dogma and ambiguous bullshit aswell as christianity. How about people live with a sense of reason and respect for each other instead of trying to convert and preach, let people be good at being themselves. You really don't need to be religious to have a sense of morality.
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sometimes religion is the only way morality can reach people, which religion it is doesnt really matter as long as the message is put across... you dont have to be religous to learn from religous teachings....
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a bunch of mother fuckers, there can't be a topic without 3-4 pple that have to argue and sustain their opinions...but that's cool, stop dissin eachother...anyway---technological progress=humanity regress
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maybe he thinks that all White Christian are full fledge members of the kkk...
in every race theres dumb racist motherfuckers...and i dont think religion is gonna solve racism.CONCRETE ACTION is gonna solve racism.
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People need to leave religion alone. DOnt bother other people with your religion keep it to yourself. Religion doesnt have shit to do with all the problems in the world.
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haha
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a self hatin cracka???