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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on March 26, 2005, 01:20:05 PM
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...... check this out. I still remember when the day this album dropped out of nowhere. I was 14 years old and just happened to be up at the mall and I suprised I see a new 2pac album is out. This album had very little promotion. I had no idea it was set to drop. Snoop's "Doggfather" album was supposed to drop on Nov. 5th, but instead this new 2pac album dropped that day and Snoop was pushed back one week to Nov. 12th. I didn't like the album when it first dropped. I was wanting and expecting to hear an album similar to "All Eyes On Me". This album had no guest appearances from big name Death Row artists such as Snoop, the Dogg Pound, Nate Dogg, nor did it have the usual producers Johnny J. and Daz producing the records. The producers of this album are virtually no names. And compared to All Eyez on me and all the other posthumous 2pac albums released from this Death Row period, the Outlaws "Still I Rise" album/ One Nation Bootleg... the sound of this album seems to have existed somewhere else in a vacuum. It is very prophetic to his downfall and assasination. The songs are not commercial sound, the sound displays the side of Pac that is the son of a Black Panther revolutionary, he dropped only 2 commercial tracks on the album, "Toss It Up" and "Live And Die In LA". The rest of the album is dark and melancholy, but suprisingly features some of 2pac's most remarkable tracks, "Me And My Girlfriend", "Hold Your Head", "White Mans World" and "Hail Mary"(which features a black panthers chant on the chorus).
Can anyone shed some light on the mysterious existence of this album. How come the sound, the producers and conspirators (save for the Outlaws) are different on this album from every other album? How long did it take and when and where did he record this? How come there was little publicity for this album?
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if ur talkin about the 7day theory thing then it took 7 days to record, never heard to album myself but i know it took 7 days to make
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if ur talkin about the 7day theory thing then it took 7 days to record, never heard to album myself but i know it took 7 days to make
Yeah, I'm talking about The Don Killuminati: 7 Day Theory... where did you hear it took 7 days to record?
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XXL had a whole article on it.
Personally, I loved the album, and thought of it as the proof of 2Pac being the greatest rapper of all time. His lyrical wordplay, mixed with contend, prophecy, and just pure Hip-Hop was without a doubt one of the most genious albums ever released. It was schedual to be called 2Pac - Makaveli the CD, and it had some ads out with unused pictures from All Eyez On Me. 2 Live and Die in LA had a actual video that 2Pac made for it, and he had very dark sounding sound bits played on Power 106 calling himself Makaveli. I wish I would have recorded them, he sounded like a ghost, not like 2Pac usually sounded. I guessing they called it the 7 Day Theory because that's how long it took to record. Some said the CD wasn't finished yet. Of course in interviews before Makaveli was recorded, 2Pac would mention his next CD was basically going to be Me Against the World 2, and I would imagion that's were most of Still I Rise came from, and songs recorded later like R U Still Down with Jon B and Unconditional Love. Who knows. But one thing is for sure, Makaveli was maybe the most fitting CD 2Pac ever recorded, and released just after he died. It was almost too much, I remember thinking back then.
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he also did the video for Toss It Up, 2 versions, beach version and the garage version, i beleive one of them (i think the garage) was filmed just a day or 2 before his death - hence why fans jumped on the mirror smashing scene (7 years bad luck etc)
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he also did the video for Toss It Up, 2 versions, beach version and the garage version, i beleive one of them (i think the garage) was filmed just a day or 2 before his death - hence why fans jumped on the mirror smashing scene (7 years bad luck etc)
oh yeah, and in the garage video he was sitting in a throne. Someone should have taken a picture and use that as a sig saying 2Pac, the King of the Westcoast... lol
here's a cool pic I just found too...
(http://www.dopebeatz.co.uk/acatalog/2pactossitup.jpg)
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the Makaveli album IMO is one of the most complete rap records to drop. I thought that Snoop's record dropped the week after Pac's album. I think it dropped November 12th instead of Dec. 12th.
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I went through the same shit you went through when it dropped although I did see the video for "Toss It Up" before the album dropped. But I went to the record shop to do my normal browsing and saw a new Pac record and was like DAMN! Copped it, didn't like it at first as a whole but loved tracks like "Hail Mary", "To Live N Die N L.A", "Krazy", etc. from jump. Now I play it start to finish. Just an incredible record. No other album has the vibe that this album brings. Well Me Against The World brings it's own vibe too but it's just as strong.
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see this album was hella nice. it wasnt none of that ima thug, fuck biggie, mob bullshiet like "All Eyez On Me".
"Hold Ya Head" is my favorite 2Pac track
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see this album was hella nice. it wasnt none of that ima thug, fuck biggie, mob bullshiet like "All Eyez On Me".
that was on All Eyez On Me?? ???
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see this album was hella nice. it wasnt none of that ima thug, fuck biggie, mob bullshiet like "All Eyez On Me".
"Hold Ya Head" is my favorite 2Pac track
i wouldn't call All Eyez On Me bullshit considering it's the best selling rap album of all time
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see this album was hella nice. it wasnt none of that ima thug, fuck biggie, mob bullshiet like "All Eyez On Me".
"Hold Ya Head" is my favorite 2Pac track
i wouldn't call All Eyez On Me bullshit considering it's the best selling rap album of all time
is it? ^^^^
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Co-sign West Coast veteran and hip hop is dead.
I remember when I bought the tape I didn't really like it at first, but I liked White Man's World and Live and Die in LA from jump. Like some of yall, I was expecting that smooth g-funk type sound that All Eyes on Me had and this album instead had such a dark, ominous feel to it.
I appreciate this album much more now and can see what makes this album so great. It was raw, pure and heartfelt. The essence of hip hop at its purest was caught with this album. Songs like Blasphemy, Hold Your Head and Krazy are just riveting, there are just so many priceless quotes in almost all the songs on this album.
"They say my ghetto instrumentals detrimental to kids
As if they can't see the misery in which they live"
"Currency means nothing if you still ain't free
Money breeds envy take the game from me"
This album is a work of art.
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One of the best albums ever done.
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see this album was hella nice. it wasnt none of that ima thug, fuck biggie, mob bullshiet like "All Eyez On Me".
"Hold Ya Head" is my favorite 2Pac track
i wouldn't call All Eyez On Me bullshit considering it's the best selling rap album of all time
is it? ^^^^
yeah i was watching this thing about 2pac on VH-1 and they were talking about All Eyez On Me and how Pac made it in like 5 days and later become the best selling rap album at over 15 mil according to what Afeni Shakur said
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XXL had a whole article on it.
Personally, I loved the album, and thought of it as the proof of 2Pac being the greatest rapper of all time. His lyrical wordplay, mixed with contend, prophecy, and just pure Hip-Hop was without a doubt one of the most genious albums ever released. It was schedual to be called 2Pac - Makaveli the CD, and it had some ads out with unused pictures from All Eyez On Me. 2 Live and Die in LA had a actual video that 2Pac made for it, and he had very dark sounding sound bits played on Power 106 calling himself Makaveli. I wish I would have recorded them, he sounded like a ghost, not like 2Pac usually sounded. I guessing they called it the 7 Day Theory because that's how long it took to record. Some said the CD wasn't finished yet. Of course in interviews before Makaveli was recorded, 2Pac would mention his next CD was basically going to be Me Against the World 2, and I would imagion that's were most of Still I Rise came from, and songs recorded later like R U Still Down with Jon B and Unconditional Love. Who knows. But one thing is for sure, Makaveli was maybe the most fitting CD 2Pac ever recorded, and released just after he died. It was almost too much, I remember thinking back then.
Thanks for the info, I think the album was in it's completed form. Cause I remember him saying something in an interview about his new album was for the streets, and that it was 12 tracks deep.
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the Makaveli album IMO is one of the most complete rap records to drop. I thought that Snoop's record dropped the week after Pac's album. I think it dropped November 12th instead of Dec. 12th.
Yes, that was a typo, Snoop's cd was pushed back just one week to Nov. 12th, which also kind of suprised me that they would sandwich the two biggest records of the year together like that.
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I went through the same shit you went through when it dropped although I did see the video for "Toss It Up" before the album dropped. But I went to the record shop to do my normal browsing and saw a new Pac record and was like DAMN! Copped it, didn't like it at first as a whole but loved tracks like "Hail Mary", "To Live N Die N L.A", "Krazy", etc. from jump. Now I play it start to finish. Just an incredible record. No other album has the vibe that this album brings. Well Me Against The World brings it's own vibe too but it's just as strong.
Yo.. your experience is identical to mine, those were the only 3 songs I did like from the album the day it came out. Then about 6 months later my friend turned me onto "Hold Your Head" because he thought it was some proof of Makaveli coming back, then I got turned onto "Me And My Girlfriend", then eventually I was bumping the album from start to finish.
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Co-sign West Coast veteran and hip hop is dead.
I remember when I bought the tape I didn't really like it at first, but I liked White Man's World and Live and Die in LA from jump. Like some of yall, I was expecting that smooth g-funk type sound that All Eyes on Me had and this album instead had such a dark, ominous feel to it.
I appreciate this album much more now and can see what makes this album so great. It was raw, pure and heartfelt. The essence of hip hop at its purest was caught with this album. Songs like Blasphemy, Hold Your Head and Krazy are just riveting, there are just so many priceless quotes in almost all the songs on this album.
"They say my ghetto instrumentals detrimental to kids
As if they can't see the misery in which they live"
"Currency means nothing if you still ain't free
Money breeds envy take the game from me"
This album is a work of art.
Co-sign. Too many quotables, I'm going to post some up later.
Alot of popular radio songs were inspired by quotes from this album. From Jay-Z's rip-off of "Me And My Girlfriend" to Ice Cube and Short Kopp's "Pushin Wieght", the "Yeah, Yeah" was taken from the opening track, CMurder did a rip-off of "Against All Odds".
....even just recently I was reading an article in the Source about the song "Against All Odds" some of the references didn't make sense to me, but now I realize that some of the names in the song are references to the people who robbed him and set him up, "Gun Shots to Tut", etc.
Also, that is pretty eerie how the first sounds you hear on the album sound like "Suge Shot Him". There are alot of theories about this record, but obviously Suge didn't shoot him, because Suge got also shot himself during Pac's assasination.
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The album was supposed to be an EP. Then they added the infamous intro and some other tracks from that session. Listen to Krazy, and at the end Pac says "3 Day Theory"..
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IBN, It's all a big conspiracy by whitey to hold 'Pac down. Somehow.
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see this album was hella nice. it wasnt none of that ima thug, fuck biggie, mob bullshiet like "All Eyez On Me".
no it was the fuck puffy, fuck dre, fuck mobb deep, fuck nas record
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Yeah, I remember gettin' this after school. Mo Thugs Family Scriptures dropped the same day. I played the hell outta that one. Couldn't get in to the Makaveli album...it was too different. Over time I began to love it, and now it's my 2nd favorite album of all time. It was ahead of its time. Imagine the level Pac would be at today.
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Yeah, I remember gettin' this after school. Mo Thugs Family Scriptures dropped the same day. I played the hell outta that one. Couldn't get in to the Makaveli album...it was too different. Over time I began to love it, and now it's my 2nd favorite album of all time. It was ahead of its time. Imagine the level Pac would be at today.
No doubt it was ahead of it's time. It's an album that grows on you and gets better with time. It was the perfect album for him to leave us with.
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I think the reason the album was never promoted was because it had a Pac on the cross.
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see this album was hella nice. it wasnt none of that ima thug, fuck biggie, mob bullshiet like "All Eyez On Me".
"Hold Ya Head" is my favorite 2Pac track
i wouldn't call All Eyez On Me bullshit considering it's the best selling rap album of all time
is it? ^^^^
i didnt call the whole album bullshiet, just a lot of it. but my second favorite 2Pac track "Holla At Me" is on there
and no its not the best selling rap album of all time. the fugees and mc hammer both topped it
and didnt "The Eminem Show" end up selling 19 mill?
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no disrespect to pac, but i feel cats are slightly overstating the importance and significance of the makaveli album because it dropped right after he died.
pac was a great artist, and makaveli is a great album. but among the greatest albums ever? no. greater than most? hell yeah.
similarly, pac definitely had meaning in his lyrics, and moreso than most; it just seems like people tried harder to overstate the significance of his lyrics due to his popularity.
sort of like how the source gave away 5 mics to an artist that died and admitted the death had an influence. but nowhere near as egregious an act as most of pac's accolades are deserved.
as far as the production on makaveli being different, remember; when pac got out of prison he jacked all the hottest tracks cats on death row were working on and got a couple additional tracks as well. that was a quick death row album thrown together. the beats he had and sounds he had on makaveli are very consistent with some of the sounds he had on "me against the world" or even "strictly 4 my niggaz". brighter g-funkish tracks like "me against the world", "heavy in the game", "i get around" were typically the exception to the rule, and not the norm as they were on "all eyes on me"
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I disagree. I mean maybe Pac's death influenced this album, but it's not a negative thing. I mean all them theories about Pac being alive ("Suge shot me", "I'll return in 7days..", "3 day theory", the cover of the album, the name Makaveli, etc..) contribuited to make this album an album with something mysterious, maybe prophetic. The intro ("2Pac, excuse me Makaveli, is not available for comments, but he released this statement..") ("it's not about East or West, it's all about niggaz and bitches...") is wonderful, expecially considering he just passed away.. plus he calls out a lot of rappers in that cd, from Xzibit (not a real diss) to Nas. Then there are CRAZY tracks, like Blasphemy! Shit, Pac went crazy on that track!!! Just listen to the shit he said!! Naaaa.. it's a cristalline 5 mics for me, in my top 10 ever easly. And easly the best Pac album ever with Me Against The World. I didnt like at all All Eyez On Me! That was, like you said, a "different" Pac, not the deep Pac i loved.
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lol i was just listening to Guce's new album, and the intro is the same one on Makaveli with changed words.. ;D
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It's my favorite Pac record and to me in the top 5 rap records
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I didnt like at all All Eyez On Me! That was, like you said, a "different" Pac, not the deep Pac i loved.
touch down!
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I didnt like at all All Eyez On Me! That was, like you said, a "different" Pac, not the deep Pac i loved.
touch down!
Man i'm not saying All Eyez On Me wasnt a good album. Shit it's a hell of a album!! (and i'm a real Pac fan, i own all his albums and CD Singles, from the first to the last, so i appreciate him for real, he's my GOAT). Shit I havent heard an album like that in years!! (5-6 years at least). I'm saying that was a different Pac, more commercial, more tracks for the ladies, he made that album TO SELL. Shit Pac said it himself. He was different, he just wanted to say: "Hello! I'm back!".. you know what i mean? Makaveli is totally different.. Makaveli is hard! And lyrically it's one of the best albums ever created. Probably my fav one ever.
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For me it's one of the best rap albums ever....
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Best album ever, a fuckin' masterpiece.
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I didnt like at all All Eyez On Me! That was, like you said, a "different" Pac, not the deep Pac i loved.
touch down!
Man i'm not saying All Eyez On Me wasnt a good album. Shit it's a hell of a album!! (and i'm a real Pac fan, i own all his albums and CD Singles, from the first to the last, so i appreciate him for real, he's my GOAT). Shit I havent heard an album like that in years!! (5-6 years at least). I'm saying that was a different Pac, more commercial, more tracks for the ladies, he made that album TO SELL. Shit Pac said it himself. He was different, he just wanted to say: "Hello! I'm back!".. you know what i mean? Makaveli is totally different.. Makaveli is hard! And lyrically it's one of the best albums ever created. Probably my fav one ever.
^very true what you just said, but I still love AEOM as much as the makaveli album even though I think it was his best album. Actually I like the makaveli a little bit more due to the lyrics and the new dark sound he brought on, but the smooth g funk sound and the way how he kept switching moods on AEOM from how do u want it, only god can judge me, and to cant c me was too much.
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i was like 16 going to scoop up that ghostface ironman and mo thugs whne i saw a listening booth for makaveli....i heard hail mary and scopped it up right then!! but the album as a whole took a long time to grow on me but it is a great album
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It was originally titled the "3 day theory" because of the amount of time it took to record the album.
Hurt-M-Badd claimed that Hail Mary alone was half an hour to do. The pace of the work put in was incredible, which explains the reasons in your original post as to why there were very few features on the album besides the Outlawz, and a couple of others - IE: No Nate Dogg, Snoop etc..
Both 2 tracks together - White Manz World's and To Live and Die in LA's vocals (including ad-libs) took 30 mins total. We are talking about an average of 4 track vocals being done in an hour. Hold Ya Head written and recorded in 11 minutes with a beat that was made available via Hurt-M-Badd that was originally intended for an R&B track. He also sung the hook to the song "afterwards".
He worked with these producers because they weren't fully scheduled for much projects around the time, and the album was meant to be a street release, but commercial tracks were added in and according to sources - Interscope wouldn't allow them to release it at low-level. To Live & Die in LA was the longest recorded track with different takes, and a video recorded for it.
After this album and the One Nation project. 2Pac and QD3 were to be the new 2Pac & Johnny J and be integrated into the Non Stop productions team. QD3 would try and connect Michael Jackson & 2Pac together who was originally sought out for the Niggaz Nature (Thug Nature on Too Gangsta 4 Radio) and would eventually be cut and stored away in the hopes for MJ to do vocals for it to be released on a future project.. Other cut tracks Lost Souls appeared on the Gang Related soundtrack, Watch Ya Mouth, and The World is Mine/Friends which would later appear on the Too Gangsta 4 radio compilation
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the only sad thing is that the album is that after it came out, we found out that they could have added a few extra classics on it..... Fuck Friendz and Niggaz Nature. oh and Watch Ya Mouth.
twas a perfect album otherwise though 8)
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see this album was hella nice. it wasnt none of that ima thug, fuck biggie, mob bullshiet like "All Eyez On Me".
no it was the fuck puffy, fuck dre, fuck mobb deep, fuck nas record
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I Hated the shit out of this album when it first dropped.
Maybe I was looking for the pop sounding AEOM.
I remember being pissed that I bought it. But like the majority of the posters stated before me damn did it grow on me and it turned out to be my 3rd favorite pac album after MATW and Thug Life album.
I think back and realize now what he meant in the thank you's on the AEOM booklet were he say's something to the effects of "To my real fans I will be rectified in 96" and that was the GENIUS (non sell out)MAKAVELI album....
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from Xzibit (not a real diss) to Nas.
Huh? When does he mention Xzibit? Which song?
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from Xzibit (not a real diss) to Nas.
Huh? When does he mention Xzibit? Which song?
bomb first, EDI has a line "if you aint in this rap game for this motherfucking cash mang, what is your motherfuckin purpose" aimed at X to the Z
maybe PAc has some subliminals too
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All eyez on me was to me a Death Row compilation. They could have easily made that into a 1 disc album to strengthen it
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it's shrouded in hennesssy.
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by far his worst record.
Poorly mixed and some terrible beat decisions.
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Dissing xzbit? Gtfoh
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Dissing xzbit? Gtfoh
Those lines from EDI are clearly referencing "Paparazzi"
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it's shrouded in hennesssy.
in hennessey, enemies and weed
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see this album was hella nice. it wasnt none of that ima thug, fuck biggie, mob bullshiet like "All Eyez On Me".
"Hold Ya Head" is my favorite 2Pac track
i wouldn't call All Eyez On Me bullshit considering it's the best selling rap album of all time
Biggie's album sold more then "All Eyez On Me" ;D
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from Xzibit (not a real diss) to Nas.
Huh? When does he mention Xzibit? Which song?
bomb first, EDI has a line "if you aint in this rap game for this motherfucking cash mang, what is your motherfuckin purpose" aimed at X to the Z
maybe PAc has some subliminals too
I never realised that was an Xzibit diss. See, thats the beauty of the Makaveli album, 16 years later and you can still find new meanings on it.
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yea man, 2pac was a prophet. he has some lines about "detox" on taht album too
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see this album was hella nice. it wasnt none of that ima thug, fuck biggie, mob bullshiet like "All Eyez On Me".
"Hold Ya Head" is my favorite 2Pac track
i wouldn't call All Eyez On Me bullshit considering it's the best selling rap album of all time
Biggie's album sold more then "All Eyez On Me" ;D
not to me it didnt
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see this album was hella nice. it wasnt none of that ima thug, fuck biggie, mob bullshiet like "All Eyez On Me".
"Hold Ya Head" is my favorite 2Pac track
i wouldn't call All Eyez On Me bullshit considering it's the best selling rap album of all time
Biggie's album sold more then "All Eyez On Me" ;D
not to me it didnt
Maybe not to you, but a fact is a fact tho
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It was originally titled the "3 day theory" because of the amount of time it took to record the album.
Hurt-M-Badd claimed that Hail Mary alone was half an hour to do. The pace of the work put in was incredible, which explains the reasons in your original post as to why there were very few features on the album besides the Outlawz, and a couple of others - IE: No Nate Dogg, Snoop etc..
Both 2 tracks together - White Manz World's and To Live and Die in LA's vocals (including ad-libs) took 30 mins total. We are talking about an average of 4 track vocals being done in an hour. Hold Ya Head written and recorded in 11 minutes with a beat that was made available via Hurt-M-Badd that was originally intended for an R&B track. He also sung the hook to the song "afterwards".
He worked with these producers because they weren't fully scheduled for much projects around the time, and the album was meant to be a street release, but commercial tracks were added in and according to sources - Interscope wouldn't allow them to release it at low-level. To Live & Die in LA was the longest recorded track with different takes, and a video recorded for it.
After this album and the One Nation project. 2Pac and QD3 were to be the new 2Pac & Johnny J and be integrated into the Non Stop productions team. QD3 would try and connect Michael Jackson & 2Pac together who was originally sought out for the Niggaz Nature (Thug Nature on Too Gangsta 4 Radio) and would eventually be cut and stored away in the hopes for MJ to do vocals for it to be released on a future project.. Other cut tracks Lost Souls appeared on the Gang Related soundtrack, Watch Ya Mouth, and The World is Mine/Friends which would later appear on the Too Gangsta 4 radio compilation
yea, 2pac had amazing work ethic...dude would just get it in and had the ability to bang out tracks like no other. these are the best typa artists to work with. klientel is like this. when he met fingazz, they did 3 tracks on the spot, in the span of a couple hours. very 2pacish in the studio. not many rappers have that energy anymore.
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by far his worst record.
Poorly mixed and some terrible beat decisions.
alias
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Lil Wayne has a better work ethic than 2Pac 8) 8) 8)
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Lil Wayne has a better work ethic than 2Pac 8) 8) 8)
yea, but lil wayne sux, so it's meaningless
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lol. I agree, I was just messing. But that was one comparison a lot in his circle do. Making 5 tracks a day is very easy, when they suck, but making 5 average tracks a day requires some form of creative talent
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see this album was hella nice. it wasnt none of that ima thug, fuck biggie, mob bullshiet like "All Eyez On Me".
"Hold Ya Head" is my favorite 2Pac track
i wouldn't call All Eyez On Me bullshit considering it's the best selling rap album of all time
Biggie's album sold more then "All Eyez On Me" ;D
This is questionable. For one All Eyez On Me has had WAY more re-releases than Life After Death. Also, Death Row has not paid to update the sound scans on All Eyez On Me in at least 10 years. Bad Boy had paid to update Life After Death pretty regularly. So Life After Death may actually have more sales, but we don't know. Officially they do, and sometimes re-releases are under their own sales. So maybe All Eyez On Me released in 1996 has 9 million (as of 1998) and the re-release in 2001 sold 2 million and the re-release in 2005 sold 1 million. Instead of officially selling 12 million to Biggie's 10 million, it will go under selling 9 million.
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All eyez on me was to me a Death Row compilation. They could have easily made that into a 1 disc album to strengthen it
death row comp?
2pac was on every song, meanwhile Dre was only on 1, Snoop only rapping on 1, Kurupt only rapped on 2
it was a Pac album to the fullest, most of the guests weren't even on dr
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All eyez on me was to me a Death Row compilation. They could have easily made that into a 1 disc album to strengthen it
death row comp?
2pac was on every song, meanwhile Dre was only on 1, Snoop only rapping on 1, Kurupt only rapped on 2
it was a Pac album to the fullest, most of the guests weren't even on dr
most of the artists were from death row:dre,snoop,jewell,david blake(dj quik),michel'le,danny boy,nate dogg,tha dogg pound,cpo boss hogg.
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All eyez on me was to me a Death Row compilation. They could have easily made that into a 1 disc album to strengthen it
death row comp?
2pac was on every song, meanwhile Dre was only on 1, Snoop only rapping on 1, Kurupt only rapped on 2
it was a Pac album to the fullest, most of the guests weren't even on dr
most of the artists were from death row:dre,snoop,jewell,david blake(dj quik),michel'le,danny boy,nate dogg,tha dogg pound,cpo boss hogg.
i wasn't counting producers (quik) or background singers (jewell, michel'le)
but i got a good count of people who weren't signed to death row in 1995 and appeared on aeom: big syke, method man, redman, the outlawz, c-bo, e-40 b-legit, storm, rappin 4-tay, richie rich
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dont ya get tired of talking bout the same o shit
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All eyez on me was to me a Death Row compilation. They could have easily made that into a 1 disc album to strengthen it
death row comp?
2pac was on every song, meanwhile Dre was only on 1, Snoop only rapping on 1, Kurupt only rapped on 2
it was a Pac album to the fullest, most of the guests weren't even on dr
most of the artists were from death row:dre,snoop,jewell,david blake(dj quik),michel'le,danny boy,nate dogg,tha dogg pound,cpo boss hogg.
i wasn't counting producers (quik) or background singers (jewell, michel'le)
but i got a good count of people who weren't signed to death row in 1995 and appeared on aeom: big syke, method man, redman, the outlawz, c-bo, e-40 b-legit, storm, rappin 4-tay, richie rich
they weren't back up singers. LOL i don't count the outlawz they were unsigned but later signed to death row.
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This is questionable. For one All Eyez On Me has had WAY more re-releases than Life After Death. Also, Death Row has not paid to update the sound scans on All Eyez On Me in at least 10 years. Bad Boy had paid to update Life After Death pretty regularly. So Life After Death may actually have more sales, but we don't know. Officially they do, and sometimes re-releases are under their own sales. So maybe All Eyez On Me released in 1996 has 9 million (as of 1998) and the re-release in 2001 sold 2 million and the re-release in 2005 sold 1 million. Instead of officially selling 12 million to Biggie's 10 million, it will go under selling 9 million.
this is prob true, I dont think fatboy could beat the good looking movie star at anything.
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All eyez on me was to me a Death Row compilation. They could have easily made that into a 1 disc album to strengthen it
death row comp?
2pac was on every song, meanwhile Dre was only on 1, Snoop only rapping on 1, Kurupt only rapped on 2
it was a Pac album to the fullest, most of the guests weren't even on dr
most of the artists were from death row:dre,snoop,jewell,david blake(dj quik),michel'le,danny boy,nate dogg,tha dogg pound,cpo boss hogg.
i wasn't counting producers (quik) or background singers (jewell, michel'le)
but i got a good count of people who weren't signed to death row in 1995 and appeared on aeom: big syke, method man, redman, the outlawz, c-bo, e-40 b-legit, storm, rappin 4-tay, richie rich
Because it had all the Death Row gang all over it. Dr Dre, Snoop Dogg, Nate Dogg, Kurupt, Daz, Michel'le, CPO Boss Hogg, Jewel, Danny Boy. Alongside under Suges management - DJ Quik & KCi & JoJo. Affiliated from other Death Row albums George Clinton, and DJ Pooh. The production itself as well was Death Row sounding apart from a few. To me the entire album had that compilation feel. It was like a "2Pac present: Death Row", but not so much as a criticism as it still done what it was intended to do, come out with a bang, and with a huge selection of tracks
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No, I'd say All Eyez On Me was more of a 2Pac proves his on Death Row by doing a song with each person on Tha Row. So he did a song with Dre, a song with Tha Dogg Pound, 2 with Snoop, a couple with Nate Dogg, and add another Kurupt feature for good measure. In total, 7 of the 27 songs on the album had a Death Row feature. The Outlawz had 5 songs in which they were featured and random Bay area artist had 5 features as well. Some of those features had cross over. And I don't count producers, because of course his going to use Death Row producers as Death Row at the time had the best producers in the game. It was basically a dream album for the fans, as I was 15 when it came out and I remember being in awe that 'Pac had finally done a Death Row album. It was 2Pac doing a Death Row album, and it sounded so right and natural. But make no mistake, it was a 2Pac album. When you learn how 2Pac does songs, you see that 2Pac made the songs and the Death Row producers had to adjust their style to work it around 'Pac, not 'Pac trying to be a Death Row artist.
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No, I'd say All Eyez On Me was more of a 2Pac proves his on Death Row by doing a song with each person on Tha Row. So he did a song with Dre, a song with Tha Dogg Pound, 2 with Snoop, a couple with Nate Dogg, and add another Kurupt feature for good measure. In total, 7 of the 27 songs on the album had a Death Row feature. The Outlawz had 5 songs in which they were featured and random Bay area artist had 5 features as well. Some of those features had cross over. And I don't count producers, because of course his going to use Death Row producers as Death Row at the time had the best producers in the game. It was basically a dream album for the fans, as I was 15 when it came out and I remember being in awe that 'Pac had finally done a Death Row album. It was 2Pac doing a Death Row album, and it sounded so right and natural. But make no mistake, it was a 2Pac album. When you learn how 2Pac does songs, you see that 2Pac made the songs and the Death Row producers had to adjust their style to work it around 'Pac, not 'Pac trying to be a Death Row artist.
I'm sure it's higher at around 10 or so, but yeh I agree with most of your post. & as you said, back then I too was around the same age (14) and at that time as you'll know it was unheard of for any pop artist, let alone a rap artist have a double disc album out.. Double CD collections were restricted to chart compilations, or dance collections. Artist albums were for the most part short and 1 disc, and I guess back then having a huge collection of songs like that, with so many features (about 40% of the album had solo's) it just had that compilation feel. He was shouting Death Row all over the album, having Death Row artists. Obviously it was 2Pac doing a Death Row album, but at that time it felt like Death Row having 2Pac advertise Death Row, but then the same can go for any album previously on the label (Chronic, Doggystyle) No other label at that time I can recall doing the same thing
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yeah
"all my niggas and my bitches" was like a prelude to Dogg Food....kurupt and daz going back and forth