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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Jome on March 31, 2005, 07:34:49 AM
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Murder.
http://www.cnn.com/
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::) I don't like your tone.
Good for her.
Terri Schiavo's Medical Facts & History
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Bulimia, Coma, Brain Death in Terri Schiavo
In the debate over what should happen to Terri Schiavo, many lose sight of the facts and background of Terri’s medical history. Terri Schiavo had bulimia which produced a potassium imbalance which in turn caused a cardiac arrest. This shut off blood flow to her brain, much of which then died. Today her cranium is largely filled with spinal fluid, not brain matter.
Terri Schiavo: Victim of Bulimia or Physical Abuse?
On February 25, 1990, Terri suffered a cardiac arrest due to a potassium imbalance. Just 27 at the time, she has never regained consciousness. Terri Schiavo’s potassium imbalance was brought on by a life-long struggle with her weight. She was chubby and shy as a child. It wasn’t until she lost 65 pounds that men began to pay closer attention to her, including her future husband Michael Schiavo. Keeping the weight off proved difficult, however, and Terri resorted to drastic measures. She developed bulimia and made herself throw up after meals. She tried to survive on liquids.
It is ironic that a woman whose brain has died because of her efforts to avoid eating would become the center of a controversy over whether a feeding tube should be maintained in order to keep her body alive. It’s also sad because her bulimia is rarely mentioned in the news. Terri Schiavo’s condition could serve as a lesson to those whose obsession with food and body image lead them into eating disorders.
Terri Schiavo’s parents deny that she had an eating disorder and believe that Michael Schiavo had something to do with her condition. A 1991 bone scan indicates traumatic injuries to ribs, joints, her knees, her ankles, several vertebrae, and to her right thigh. Some claim that this physical trauma caused Terri Schiavo’s condition and, therefore, Michael Schiavo’s desire to remove the feeding tube is because he’s afraid she will recover and testify against him.
Courts have not found these claims to be credible, nor have they believed that Michael is a callous husband. Michael Schiavo initially refused to accept her condition — when she was originally brought to the hospital, she might have been simply labeled DOA because of her time without oxygen, but Michael was adamant that they try to save her. All of the trauma to Terri’s bones is consistent with her cardiac arrest, fall, subsequent CPR, and resuscitation. There is also undeniable evidence of her eating disorder.
This evidence was sufficient for Michael to receive a USD $1 million settlement on a medical malpractice claim. A jury agreed with Michael that Terri’s doctors failed to diagnose her bulimia. Had there been real evidence that her condition was the product of abuse, the lawyers would have played it for all it was worth.
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Blah, she died 15 years ago
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murder? ::)
be real... this is the best for her, her husband and her family
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(http://mijnkopthee.nl/images/playing_for_terry.gif)
(sorry, I thought it was funny :P)
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Well, I only put "Murder" to get some reactions, I don't really care..
However, the circus around her has been stupid, politicians fucked her and her parents over, and the media is digging it.. :-\
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hurrah.. now the pro-life christians can go back to burning witches!
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I think this was the best thing.
If i was ever in that state, there is no way i'd ever want to be kept alive.
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i was talkin about this earlier at work.. we agreed that instead of removing her tube..
it would have been more humane to give her leathal injection
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i was talkin about this earlier at work.. we agreed that instead of removing her tube..
it would have been more humane to give her leathal injection
yup... unfortunately for her she didn't live in oregon :(
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Blah, she died 15 years ago
That's the truth.
I feel bad for the vegetable, nobody deserves to be starved to death. I used to be 100% anti-euthanasia, but in cases like this, the suffering should come to an end.
I mean Christ, a dog gets better tratment.
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i was talkin about this earlier at work.. we agreed that instead of removing her tube..
it would have been more humane to give her leathal injection
exactly whati was thinking
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R.I.P.
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Good for her, shes out of her misery finnaly. They shouldn't of let her strave to death though. I thought the best way out is Assisted Suicide.
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Maybe its me,but when exactly did it become humane to starve someone to death? Hopefully no one will ever do me that "favor".
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Blah, she died 15 years ago
That's the truth.
I feel bad for the vegetable, nobody deserves to be starved to death. I used to be 100% anti-euthanasia, but in cases like this, the suffering should come to an end.
I mean Christ, a dog gets better tratment.
co-sign
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Well she was doped up on morphine.
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It's ironic that Americans called Iraqi insurgents savages for beheading their enemy's, and then these same American's turn around and pull out feeding tubes in hospitals and have patients starve to death for weeks. If I had to choose how to die, beheading would be the quickest, and least painful measure. Starving to death would be one of my last choices.
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Blah, she died 15 years ago
isnt she brain dead? why it a big issue on her starving to death. i dont kno anything about this nor do i really care to research it at the time but im guessing she doesnt even know shes being starved or is she dieing. honestly i find it worse that they were keeping the tube in versus pulling it out... i mean think abotu it would you want to sit in a hospital bed for 15 years and not be able to do shit? fuck that id rather die.
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It's ironic that Americans called Iraqi insurgents savages for beheading their enemy's, and then these same American's turn around and pull out feeding tubes in hospitals and have patients starve to death for weeks. If I had to choose how to die, beheading would be the quickest, and least painful measure. Starving to death would be one of my last choices.
Yeah beheading would be great method of dieing::) Have you ever seen the videos of Nick Berg and the other ones. You'll start screaming and then a Monster(terroritst) starts cuting your head of and it takes a few seconds to come off...Also you can use your brain for the last few seconds your head as came off so you can see that your body is not attached. If you dont believe watch the video and look at Nick Berg opening his mouth and watch his eyes move after they cut his head off...
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good for her it was time for her to go........i think the pope is next tho.......
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It's ironic that Americans called Iraqi insurgents savages for beheading their enemy's, and then these same American's turn around and pull out feeding tubes in hospitals and have patients starve to death for weeks. If I had to choose how to die, beheading would be the quickest, and least painful measure. Starving to death would be one of my last choices.
yeah i'd rather be a fully aware normal person that has to plead for his life for weeks before the people that are about to kill me make me once again plead on camera...then they slowly saw my head off with a kitchen knife and place this on the internet rather than a mental vegetable with no to little sense of awareness
you're a fucking idiot. this has already been established, and if you think the terrorists that cut off the people's heads fed and treated the people well before they cut their heads off, you're still a fucking idiot
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Yall are all godless heathens that don't believe in Souls, so this will fall on deaf ears, but the reason Terry Schiavo stayed alive for 15 years in that hospital bed, is because she WANTED TO. she had the will of life.
You're not going to live 15 years on a feeding tube in a hospital room unless your soul, your essense, whatever gives you the desire to go on day after day is intact. When you wake up in the morning, what is it that makes you want to get out of bed? It's human desire, it's the will and the want of self-preservation.
It's my opinion that if Terry Schiavo wanted to die, there aren't enough doctors in the world to keep her body going.
Lets face it: She only needed help EATING. She breathed on her own, her heart beat on it's own. She couldn't move her mouth and her throat to swallow.
Go to a graveyard, and walk around and look at the tombstones. I've done it countless times... look at the dates, on the really old couples, that have been married for decades. You'll see 8 times out of 10, that when somebody loses their wife or husband of decades, they could be 80 years old, and they'll often die within 6 months or so of each other. Why is that? Do you honestly think that's just a coincidence?
It's not. The reason that happens is because after their loved one is gone, they give up the will to live. They actually allow themselves to die, they lose the fire that keeps them going every morning when they get out of bed. They get to a point mentally, that their mind no longer wants their body to keep functioning, so slowly they turn worse, and often their dead within a year of their loved one.
Terry Schiavo lived 15 years in a hospital bed, because she hadn't given up her will to live.
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Now; with all that said, ultimately, it's legally her husband's right to decide for her, since she was incapacitated. I think it was within his right, and even his obligation as a husband to decide one way or the other for her, even though I disagree with what he decided. To me, the whole thing smells funny, especially since he's living with a girl and has two kids with her. Ultimately, though, it was his right to 'pull the plug' and let his own wife STARVE TO DEATH. I don't think the courts should have ever been involved, it's cut and dry; he's the next of kin, it's his decision, not her parents. The day they were married, she became his responsibility, her parents have no concern legally over her anymore.
I'm usually against Civil Disobediance, but I gotta applaud the college kids that got busted sneaking bread and water into her hospice. That's the best act of civil disobediance I've ever heard of. Hilarious even.
I heard an argument on t.v. last night, that was very, very interesting. One guy was saying "Why do you want her to die so much?" the pro tube puller said "I resent you saying we want her to die, we all want nothing but the best for her" and the guy said
"Well then give her some Food"
It really is that fucking simple. It's just food. A baby can't eat either, you have to help a baby eat. that doesn't mean we pull the fucking plug and stop feeding them. Really, it's asinine.
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to the trauma wowaweewa you are the very smart. i like. i like you. do you like me?
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Trauma, you need to watch the last episode on South Park to put this situation in perspective...
with the leaps we've made in technology...how do you know that keeping her alive was God's will? we can clone humans, we can put people in cryogenic suspension, and we can put people on feeding tubes for as long as we want... aren't all of these things just people playing God too?
Lastly, if it was her time to go, then it was her time to go... can't argue with that
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You'll see 8 times out of 10, that when somebody loses their wife or husband of decades, they could be 80 years old, and they'll often die within 6 months or so of each other. Why is that? Do you honestly think that's just a coincidence?
You better hope your sister doesn't die soon ;D
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Maybe its me,but when exactly did it become humane to starve someone to death? Hopefully no one will ever do me that "favor".
but as of right now, what we think doesnt matter, its all over with now
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Yall are all godless heathens that don't believe in Souls, so this will fall on deaf ears, but the reason Terry Schiavo stayed alive for 15 years in that hospital bed, is because she WANTED TO. she had the will of life.
You're not going to live 15 years on a feeding tube in a hospital room unless your soul, your essense, whatever gives you the desire to go on day after day is intact. When you wake up in the morning, what is it that makes you want to get out of bed? It's human desire, it's the will and the want of self-preservation.
It's my opinion that if Terry Schiavo wanted to die, there aren't enough doctors in the world to keep her body going.
Lets face it: She only needed help EATING. She breathed on her own, her heart beat on it's own. She couldn't move her mouth and her throat to swallow.
Go to a graveyard, and walk around and look at the tombstones. I've done it countless times... look at the dates, on the really old couples, that have been married for decades. You'll see 8 times out of 10, that when somebody loses their wife or husband of decades, they could be 80 years old, and they'll often die within 6 months or so of each other. Why is that? Do you honestly think that's just a coincidence?
It's not. The reason that happens is because after their loved one is gone, they give up the will to live. They actually allow themselves to die, they lose the fire that keeps them going every morning when they get out of bed. They get to a point mentally, that their mind no longer wants their body to keep functioning, so slowly they turn worse, and often their dead within a year of their loved one.
Terry Schiavo lived 15 years in a hospital bed, because she hadn't given up her will to live.
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Now; with all that said, ultimately, it's legally her husband's right to decide for her, since she was incapacitated. I think it was within his right, and even his obligation as a husband to decide one way or the other for her, even though I disagree with what he decided. To me, the whole thing smells funny, especially since he's living with a girl and has two kids with her. Ultimately, though, it was his right to 'pull the plug' and let his own wife STARVE TO DEATH. I don't think the courts should have ever been involved, it's cut and dry; he's the next of kin, it's his decision, not her parents. The day they were married, she became his responsibility, her parents have no concern legally over her anymore.
I'm usually against Civil Disobediance, but I gotta applaud the college kids that got busted sneaking bread and water into her hospice. That's the best act of civil disobediance I've ever heard of. Hilarious even.
I heard an argument on t.v. last night, that was very, very interesting. One guy was saying "Why do you want her to die so much?" the pro tube puller said "I resent you saying we want her to die, we all want nothing but the best for her" and the guy said
"Well then give her some Food"
It really is that fucking simple. It's just food. A baby can't eat either, you have to help a baby eat. that doesn't mean we pull the fucking plug and stop feeding them. Really, it's asinine.
I work at hospitals and nursing homes. Some of these people that have lived for years in a hospital, do want to die. I've had patients ask me to kill them before. They've been there for years, they are depressed, suffering, and they want to die, yet, Allah keeps them alive for one reason or another. I've seen patients like Terry who have seen decades pass on feeding tubes. I don't think that the mere fact that she survived for 15 years on a feeding tube is proof that she has chosen to live. The husband claims that it was her will to die. Basically, her husband knows the truth. And if he's not telling the truth, then Allah Subbanna Wa Tallah will punish him. Regardless of the situation, I think there were much more humane ways for her to die then to just pull the plug and watch her starve. Usually in that situation you will see them shoot the patient up with morphine.
Anyway.... Maybe your right, I don't have a really strong opinion about this situation one way or the other, I'm still undecided.
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I work at hospitals and nursing homes.
I think it's time to call 911.
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wow...terry schiavo and the pope.....please tell me this isnt an april fool's joke
peace
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I work at hospitals and nursing homes.
I think it's time to call 911.
lol
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Not meaning to be ignorant but who is she?
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you're dumb. nuff said... Will Smith even got a song dissin your kind on his new album.
Yall are all godless heathens that don't believe in Souls, so this will fall on deaf ears, but the reason Terry Schiavo stayed alive for 15 years in that hospital bed, is because she WANTED TO. she had the will of life.
You're not going to live 15 years on a feeding tube in a hospital room unless your soul, your essense, whatever gives you the desire to go on day after day is intact. When you wake up in the morning, what is it that makes you want to get out of bed? It's human desire, it's the will and the want of self-preservation.
It's my opinion that if Terry Schiavo wanted to die, there aren't enough doctors in the world to keep her body going.
Lets face it: She only needed help EATING. She breathed on her own, her heart beat on it's own. She couldn't move her mouth and her throat to swallow.
Go to a graveyard, and walk around and look at the tombstones. I've done it countless times... look at the dates, on the really old couples, that have been married for decades. You'll see 8 times out of 10, that when somebody loses their wife or husband of decades, they could be 80 years old, and they'll often die within 6 months or so of each other. Why is that? Do you honestly think that's just a coincidence?
It's not. The reason that happens is because after their loved one is gone, they give up the will to live. They actually allow themselves to die, they lose the fire that keeps them going every morning when they get out of bed. They get to a point mentally, that their mind no longer wants their body to keep functioning, so slowly they turn worse, and often their dead within a year of their loved one.
Terry Schiavo lived 15 years in a hospital bed, because she hadn't given up her will to live.
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Now; with all that said, ultimately, it's legally her husband's right to decide for her, since she was incapacitated. I think it was within his right, and even his obligation as a husband to decide one way or the other for her, even though I disagree with what he decided. To me, the whole thing smells funny, especially since he's living with a girl and has two kids with her. Ultimately, though, it was his right to 'pull the plug' and let his own wife STARVE TO DEATH. I don't think the courts should have ever been involved, it's cut and dry; he's the next of kin, it's his decision, not her parents. The day they were married, she became his responsibility, her parents have no concern legally over her anymore.
I'm usually against Civil Disobediance, but I gotta applaud the college kids that got busted sneaking bread and water into her hospice. That's the best act of civil disobediance I've ever heard of. Hilarious even.
I heard an argument on t.v. last night, that was very, very interesting. One guy was saying "Why do you want her to die so much?" the pro tube puller said "I resent you saying we want her to die, we all want nothing but the best for her" and the guy said
"Well then give her some Food"
It really is that fucking simple. It's just food. A baby can't eat either, you have to help a baby eat. that doesn't mean we pull the fucking plug and stop feeding them. Really, it's asinine.
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what trauma said about couples is true, i live right across the street from a cemetary and when you walk through there and look at the couples laid to rest next to each other most of the time they've died within a year and a half of each other. when i read what trauma posted i instantly thought of Johnny Cash, right after his wife (the love of his life) died his health took a nose dive and he died within months of her death. anyways this while Schiavo thing is fucking insane, i don't know what to think , on one side i feel like saying we don't have the right to deprive her of life in this country that is one thing you are entitled to LIFE liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but on the other side i feel like saying well if she was suffering and going to die anyway we should of taken her out of her misery right away , starving her was WRONG but helping her die in a more humane way would have been better.
the only thing i know for sure is that i never want to be in that situation
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you guys fall for propganda so easily... the GOP framed the debate using words like "starve" and "murder" and you repeat them like automata.
She died the same way many other people die when they are on life support. Eventually the family, realizing their loved one will go on in a perpetual vegatitive state, says let's let her pass. Life support is pulled, the patient is given morphine, and slowly they pass.
How else do you suppose she die? Leave her shitting on herself in a hospital bed for another 30 years until slowly her limbs atrophy an no longer function, til she becomes old and gray and lives another 30 years chained to a bed, unable to speak, and in need of constant care, forced to wear a diaper and paraded around the country as some sort of sick spectacle to promoted the worldview of a bunch of religious hypocrites like Trauma, Tom Delay, Bill Frist, Geroge Bush, the entire American Taliban, and the rest of the hypocritical holy rollers. Maybe we could tape the whole thing and do a best of Terri's worst moments for the next 30 years when she finally passes after each one of her vital organs slowly fails...
If the right wasn't such a bunch of fanatical religiuos zealots, things like assisted suicide would be possible in this country, assisted suicide has been practiced for thousands of years since before Christ, when older greeks used to drink hemlock to help them die.
But unfortunately the religious fanatics on the right don't agree with that sort of thing, so Ms. Schiavo died slowly, but painlessly, her system overcome with the effects of morphine... She felt no pain... had she been aware and unconscious I imagine her greatest pain would be the embarassment of becoming a national spectacle... having everyone in the entire country talk about a once beautiful women that spent 15 yrs of her life shitting and pisssing on herself, and withering away into a lifeless husk.
you dumb hypocrites spend a month now agonizing over poor terry, but your all too lazy and too stupid to read what is really happening in the world. You run from the newspapers becuz you have to face facts like 1,500 Americans died for a bullshit war, and over 100k iraqis were killed or severely injured.... you run from all the living Americans that are coming home with missing arms, and the 50,000 americans that suffer from mental illness after fighting in iraq. you don't care about life, you care about having someone spoon feed you BS so you can feel like your actually a good person.
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you're dumb. nuff said... Will Smith even got a song dissin your kind on his new album.
I hope you're not talking to me.
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(http://mijnkopthee.nl/images/playing_for_terry.gif)
(sorry, I thought it was funny :P)
oh my god thats fucking hilarious terrys hiavo that case was laughs
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Stop bumping old threads, Banana dude.