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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Sikotic™ on March 31, 2005, 02:29:55 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050331/wl_afp/popehealthcondition_050331220312
Pope John Paul II has a high fever: Vatican
VATICAN CITY (AFP) - Pope John Paul II has a high fever caused by an infection in his urinary tract, Vatican spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said, in the latest sign of the ailing pontiff's deteriorating health.
Despite his worsening health conditions, Sky Italia quoting Vatican sources said the pope would remain at the Vatican and not be hospitalized for the time being because he is too weak. The pope has been hospitalized twice since February 1.
Italian television stations reported that the pope had been given the last rites, but there was no confirmation of the reports.
"The Holy Father has been struck during the day by a high fever caused by an infection of the urinary tract," Navarro-Valls said in a statement.
"He is being treated with an appropriate therapy based on anti-biotics. His clinical state is being very closely controlled by the medical team of the Vatican which is treating him," it said.
Earlier, the Italian news agency ANSA said the Pope's health had worsened over the past few hours and that he had a high fever and low blood pressure.
On Thursday, a Vatican source said the 84-year-old Polish-born pontiff had lost 19 kilograms (42 pounds) in a few weeks and there is great concern over his chances of recovery after undergoing a throat operation on February 24.
The Pope also suffers from Parkinson's disease.
Italian news reports said John Paul II's personal doctor Renato Buzzonetti was at his bedside along with a team of doctors from Rome's Gemelli hospital, his personal secretary Monsignor Stanislaw Dziwisz and the Vatican Secretary of State Cardinial Angelo Sodano.
The Vatican admitted Wednesday that the pope's recovery from a throat operation was "slow" and that doctors had to place a nasal tube to feed the increasingly frail pontiff.
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i think its time they just let the poor guy go...
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i think its time they just let the poor guy go...
don't feel sorry for the 'poor guy'
he's an asshole
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don't talk that way about someone you don't know.
you're just cut up coz youre gay and the pope says its evil.
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i think its time they just let the poor guy go...
don't feel sorry for the 'poor guy'
he's an asshole
Whats your beef with him.
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what have u got against the pope???
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i think its time they just let the poor guy go...
don't feel sorry for the 'poor guy'
he's an asshole
he's not the asshole, you are faggot
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O please lets not start this argument about the pope with mazuip....
The pope is against abortion, and mazuip is for it.
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the pope ain't all that, guys
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i think its time they just let the poor guy go...
don't feel sorry for the 'poor guy'
he's an asshole
Even though Im not Catholic...Your an Idiot.
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:'(
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He's a nobody in my book :D
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He's a nobody in my book :D
and you're proud of that??? idiot
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He's a nobody in my book :D
and you're proud of that??? idiot
Yep :) just like you.
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Yeah, he's having a pretty tough time lately.
The hilarious thing illustrated by the answers on this thread is that people disagree with the guy, so they hate him.
The only reason they think he's an asshole, is because they actually KNOW his opinions, because he's important enough that his opinions are known to people that have never met him.
The truth is, in life we agree with nobody on everything. We'd probably agree with the pope on many, many, many hundreds of thousands of things... everything I've ever seen (well, most) points to him being a truly loving inspired man, who uses his fame and power to help people.
Since we KNOW his opinions, though, he's easy for us to hate, simply because we disagree with him on a few things.
Not me. I can see the guy is a saint, or at least trying to be. I reach the end of my rope pretty early in most confrontational or 'tough' situations... I have yet to see the Pope reach the end of HIS rope.
So I guess that's what I admire about him, that he tries, even when it looks foolish. Great man in my opinion. Unfortunately, even great men are mortal.
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i feel sorry for him but he will die soon.....
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in kazakhstan we love the pope. he a good man. he no have a sexy time with the wooman. in kazakhstan if somebody hate the pope it is because they are the homosexual and like the sexy time with another man or they like to eat the shit from a retarded goat.
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/04/01/pope1/index.html
while im not religious @ all and i believe in heaven/hell etc.. talkin bad about the pope is the kind of shit that gets you sent straight to hell
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oh men in mexico people like these gay very much they call him papa he is rilly old and i think he is eatin like the girl terry
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I'm not Catholic, but I don't hate the man. He's done alot of good things in his position and I can respect him for that. Stop dwelling on the negative so god damn much.
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O please lets not start this argument about the pope with mazuip....
The pope is against abortion, and mazuip is for it.
yes, that's one of the reasons
not so long ago there was a big thread about it
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i think its time they just let the poor guy go...
don't feel sorry for the 'poor guy'
he's an asshole
That's probably one of the dumbest post ever, congrats.
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O please lets not start this argument about the pope with mazuip....
The pope is against abortion, and mazuip is for it.
yes, that's one of the reasons
not so long ago there was a big thread about it
That's not a good reason to diss a man who's dying. If you diss any people who disagree with you you're just a child. Grew the fuck up. The Church will never be pro-abortion or pro-euthanasia, it's not something up to this particular Pope. But you in the Netherlands can do whatever the fuck you wanna do since you're totally politically free. In fact euthanasia is legal there, and abortion too. So what's the point in dissing the Pope, you faggot? Shut up. He's a man who has done so much (if not from a religious point of view, at least from a historical point of view) and you should respect it. Damn i cant believe TQ is more important in your life. If it's like that, then you're living a very sad life. You should recognize what's really important from what is just the background of your life, man! You're lucky you didnt say that shit in front of me, for real. You deserved a couple of punches.
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:nawty:
think about only how many people have died because the pope said they shouldn't use condoms...
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:nawty:
think about only how many people have died because the pope said they shouldn't use condoms...
explain....
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:nawty:
think about only how many people have died because the pope said they shouldn't use condoms...
explain....
ever heard of aids?
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:nawty:
think about only how many people have died because the pope said they shouldn't use condoms...
explain....
ever heard of aids?
Damn! So are you saying females doesnt use condoms because of what the Pope suggested from an ethical and religious point of view? C'mon man, they dont use condoms cause they wanna feel the dick in their pussy and they dont want to feel just some plastic in her. Let's say the truth! People wanna fuck! And males doesnt like condoms too. In your life you can do whatever the fuck you wanna do (you can use condoms too, and i use them too, and i'm Christian), the Pope just said what's ethically correct: to doesnt have sex before the marriage and to not use condoms. Then you can do whatever the fuck you wanna do. What did you expect from him? From the Pope of Christianity? Cause if you expected something different is like expecting an Ihmam to say people can eat all kinds of meat and women can walk naked in the streets.
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The number of abortions is nothing compared to the number of people that "have died because the pope said they shouldn't use condoms".
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mauzip, thats bs
they had the choice to make
they made their choice and they must live with the cosequences
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The number of abortions is nothing compared to the number of people that "have died because the pope said they shouldn't use condoms".
So usually girls doesnt use condoms cause the Pope said so? Are you serious? Not even in the Vatican it's like that, lol.
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The number of abortions is nothing compared to the number of people that "have died because the pope said they shouldn't use condoms".
So usually girls doesnt use condoms cause the Pope said so? Are you serious? Not even in the Vatican it's like that, lol.
what about africa?
mauzip, thats bs
they had the choice to make
they made their choice and they must live with the cosequences
don't underestimate the power of the pope
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you're joking right tonio? hardcore catholics hang off everything the church says..
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Mauzip you are not getting the point. The Pope, from a religious and ethical point of view, doesnt like pre-marriage sex. That's not what this Pope is saying, but what every Pope in our history will repeat, because that's our religion. He said real Christians devoted to Christ should have sex only after they get married, so they shouldnt use condoms because having sex with your wife is something wonderful, normal and ethically correct. Get the point straight. He aint against condoms in general, but he's more likely against free sex and "empty" sex, pre-marriage sex, savage sex, sex with no love, etc..
About abortion, once again, get your facts straight. Like i said, Pope is pro-family. After two people get married, they should have kids. So to kill them is something the Church cant accept. But you gotta start from a FAMILY prospective, cause that's the only one the Church accepts. It's pointless to say that Pope is against 15 years old girls raped who wanna abort! Pope is pro-family and pro-life, like our religion is.
Then you can have sex before you get married (i did), you can use condoms to fight AIDS (i did and i do), you can consider abortion (i didnt yet), and you can even consider euthanasia. In fact, in The Netherlands where you live, euthanasia is legal, abortion is legal, condoms are legal, pre-marriage sex is normal.
To diss a man who's dying because of this shit is childish.
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you're joking right tonio? hardcore catholics hang off everything the church says..
Hardcore catholics dont have pre-marriage sex. End of the story.
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Mauzip you are not getting the point. The Pope, from a religious and ethical point of view, doesnt like pre-marriage sex. That's not what this Pope is saying, but what every Pope in our history will repeat, because that's our religion. He said real Christians devoted to Christ should have sex only after they get married, so they shouldnt use condoms because having sex with your wife is something wonderful, normal and ethically correct. Get the point straight. He aint against condoms in general, but he's more likely against free sex and "empty" sex, pre-marriage sex, savage sex, sex with no love, etc..
About abortion, once again, get your facts straight. Like i said, Pope is pro-family. After two people get married, they should have kids. So to kill them is something the Church cant accept. But you gotta start from a FAMILY prospective, cause that's the only one the Church accepts. It's pointless to say that Pope is against 15 years old girls raped who wanna abort! Pope is pro-family and pro-life, like our religion is.
Then you can have sex before you get married (i did), you can use condoms to fight AIDS (i did and i do), you can consider abortion (i didnt yet), and you can even consider euthanasia. In fact, in The Netherlands where you live, euthanasia is legal, abortion is legal, condoms are legal, pre-marriage sex is normal.
To diss a man who's dying because of this shit is childish.
completely on point ^^^^^^^
mauzip, the pope says u shouldn't use condoms bcoz the point of sex is to create life and condoms stop u from doing that
sex is not meant to just be something that is fun, it is to create life and no man should be able to choose when or not a child can be born
life is a gift from God
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you're joking right tonio? hardcore catholics hang off everything the church says..
Hardcore catholics dont have pre-marriage sex. End of the story.
Oh, and i live in Italy, where the Pope lives, and i still gotta meet one of those hardcore catholic dudes who never had sex before he got married. Or who doesnt use condoms because the Church is against them.
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Mauzip you are not getting the point. The Pope, from a religious and ethical point of view, doesnt like pre-marriage sex. That's not what this Pope is saying, but what every Pope in our history will repeat, because that's our religion. He said real Christians devoted to Christ should have sex only after they get married, so they shouldnt use condoms because having sex with your wife is something wonderful, normal and ethically correct. Get the point straight. He aint against condoms in general, but he's more likely against free sex and "empty" sex, pre-marriage sex, savage sex, sex with no love, etc..
About abortion, once again, get your facts straight. Like i said, Pope is pro-family. After two people get married, they should have kids. So to kill them is something the Church cant accept. But you gotta start from a FAMILY prospective, cause that's the only one the Church accepts. It's pointless to say that Pope is against 15 years old girls raped who wanna abort! Pope is pro-family and pro-life, like our religion is.
Then you can have sex before you get married (i did), you can use condoms to fight AIDS (i did and i do), you can consider abortion (i didnt yet), and you can even consider euthanasia. In fact, in The Netherlands where you live, euthanasia is legal, abortion is legal, condoms are legal, pre-marriage sex is normal.
To diss a man who's dying because of this shit is childish.
completely on point ^^^^^^^
mauzip, the pope says u shouldn't use condoms bcoz the point of sex is to create life and condoms stop u from doing that
sex is not meant to just be something that is fun, it is to create life and no man should be able to choose when or not a child can be born
life is a gift from God
Exactly. Then you are free to do whatever you want. But this is what Christianity says about sex.
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Fact is that people still have sex even if they're catholic. You could deny that, but you could also be realistic... if only the pope would say it's ok to use condoms IF you're having sex...
Actually, I think the pope is responsible for a lot of deaths. I'm not calling him (indirect) a murderer though.
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Fact is that people still have sex even if they're catholic. You could deny that, but you could also be realistic... if only the pope would say it's ok to use condoms IF you're having sex...
The Pope cant say that. But a lot of Cardinals said so. Like 10 of them. They said youth shouldnt do sex for fun, but if they really wanna do it, they should do it in a safe way. In fact i do sex and i use condoms.
Actually, I think the pope is responsible for a lot of deaths. I'm not calling him (indirect) a murderer though.
Savage sex is the reason why a lot of people died. Not the Pope. Gay people "created" AIDS, not the Pope. Immoral people who had sex for fun "created" abortion, not the Pope. If you have sex only with your wife, and not for fun, you dont die.
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how can you blame the Pope for that? the pope just speaks on the views of the catholic church. catholics not using condoms has been a belief of the church for years, before this Pope was around and chances are its gonna be around for a long time to come. holdin the Pope responsible for that, is like holdin the guys who made the constitution in America responsible for every gun related death since they had the 'right to bare arms' shit in it
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u cant expect the pope to say "yeh its ok to have sex whenever u want" just so that people can continue to defy their beliefs bcoz they have no self control!!
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to be a bit more specific, its the catholic church's belief for a man/woman to not waste sperm, wether that being using a condom, pulling out early, the pill.. any form of contraception
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you're joking right tonio? hardcore catholics hang off everything the church says..
Hardcore catholics dont have pre-marriage sex. End of the story.
Oh, and i live in Italy, where the Pope lives, and i still gotta meet one of those hardcore catholic dudes who never had sex before he got married. Or who doesnt use condoms because the Church is against them.
yeah very true that slipped my mind..
this is turning into an abortion debate now.. this always turns into a nasty subject.. last time owen/the sherriff quit this forum for good when he refused to acknowledge the opinions of myself, HHH and opti.. he would just straight out tell us we were evil murdering scum...
and yes.. he was a hardcore RC.
it came down to this.
we agreed that although distasteful its better for someone who gets pregnant by accident provided its not used as a 'contraceptive' measure but as a last resort when say.. in those rare cases where the pill doesnt work, the condom splits.
he said it was murder and was wrong.
and finally..
The 3 of us agreed that in the case of a young girl who had been raped abortion is definitely always 'ok'.
he said it was still murder, and wrong.. and repeated that its never ok. even in this case.
forcing a raped girl to NOT abort an unwanted child, from an unwanted sexual encounter is one of the most vile and disgusting thigs i can think off and in my view is actually up there with the crime itself since it prolongs the pain of the encounter for the rest of that girls life by providing a permanent living reminder. its hard enough for a girl that has been raped to come to terms with things, to trust people without the added stress of a pregnancy resulting from it. and i talk frmo experience here.. years ago an ex of mine had been raped and i was her first after the incident...
i believe..
1) the church doesnt like contraception or abortions as those who slip up/stick to the rules end up adding to the churches numbers. but i'm an anti-relgion in the realm of social control anyways.
2) that contraception is more responsible in his day and age in terms of sexual health, preventing pregnancy and for other reasons.
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but it happens anyway!
the media gets influenced by the pope too... there would be a lot more education on safe sex all over the world if the pope would say "if you have sex, use a condom"
i know we can't expect the pope to say "yeh its ok to have sex whenever u want", but we can't expect him to deny the fact it's happening either
and seer's on point too
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to be a bit more specific, its the catholic church's belief for a man/woman to not waste sperm, wether that being using a condom, pulling out early, the pill.. any form of contraception
is that true?
so technically, you're not meant to jerk off either?
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^ nope. oral and anal sex are bad too
basically the church says.. you should only have sex when you're married, and only when you want to bring a kid into the world...
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but it happens anyway!
the media gets influenced by the pope too... there would be a lot more education on safe sex all over the world if the pope would say "if you have sex, use a condom"
i know we can't expect the pope to say "yeh its ok to have sex whenever u want", but we can't expect him to deny the fact it's happening either
and seer's on point too
yeh it is happening, but it shouldn't be!! (according to christian beliefs, of course)
im sorry but u can't expect him (or the church) to bend on this to suit other ppl
these are rules
you either choose to live by them or u choose not to
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im sorry but u can't expect him (or the church) to bend on this to suit other ppl
it's not a matter of suiting other people ::)
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im sorry but u can't expect him (or the church) to bend on this to suit other ppl
it's not a matter of suiting other people ::)
it is kinda tho
basically some of what uve said seems to me like ure saying please tell us its ok to do this
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The Vatican knows what is happening in the world and they know they have the power to do at least something about it. Don't you agree?
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The Vatican knows what is happening in the world and they know they have the power to do at least something about it. Don't you agree?
yes
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The Vatican knows what is happening in the world and they know they have the power to do at least something about it. Don't you agree?
yes
so why do you still defend them in this case? it doesn't make any sense
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The Vatican knows what is happening in the world and they know they have the power to do at least something about it. Don't you agree?
yes
so why do you still defend them in this case? it doesn't make any sense
because they have beliefs which they can't go back on..
they cant just chop and change what they preach just bcoz people are defying the rules
they cant
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They're backwards and too stubborn to change. That's a major thing that's wrong with the Vatican.
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so basically the church say
"no sex before marriage" & "u cant use contraception"
everyone goes around fucking whenever and however they want and they create a disease which ends up killing people
then the church is meant to turn around and say "well ok just forget about the whole "u cant use contraception" rule and continue fucking anyone and everyone anytime u want" ?
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don't overexagarrate... but they should definately step off their idea of "u cant use contraception", yes
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"don't overexagarrate... but they should definately say "u cant use contraception", yes" lol u made a mistake :P
don't overexagarrate... but they should definately step off their idea of "u cant use contraception", yes
if they say "u can use contraception" then they can kiss goodbye to the idea of no sex before marriage
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yeah very true that slipped my mind..
this is turning into an abortion debate now.. this always turns into a nasty subject.. last time owen/the sherriff quit this forum for good when he refused to acknowledge the opinions of myself, HHH and opti.. he would just straight out tell us we were evil murdering scum...
and yes.. he was a hardcore RC.
it came down to this.
we agreed that although distasteful its better for someone who gets pregnant by accident provided its not used as a 'contraceptive' measure but as a last resort when say.. in those rare cases where the pill doesnt work, the condom splits.
he said it was murder and was wrong.
and finally..
The 3 of us agreed that in the case of a young girl who had been raped abortion is definitely always 'ok'.
he said it was still murder, and wrong.. and repeated that its never ok. even in this case.
forcing a raped girl to NOT abort an unwanted child, from an unwanted sexual encounter is one of the most vile and disgusting thigs i can think off and in my view is actually up there with the crime itself since it prolongs the pain of the encounter for the rest of that girls life by providing a permanent living reminder. its hard enough for a girl that has been raped to come to terms with things, to trust people without the added stress of a pregnancy resulting from it. and i talk frmo experience here.. years ago an ex of mine had been raped and i was her first after the incident...
i believe..
1) the church doesnt like contraception or abortions as those who slip up/stick to the rules end up adding to the churches numbers. but i'm an anti-relgion in the realm of social control anyways.
2) that contraception is more responsible in his day and age in terms of sexual health, preventing pregnancy and for other reasons.
ive had this debate with my girlfriend on numerous occasions (more recently when we had a scare cos the condom split) and its something we still cant agree on...im of the opinion that in certain circumstances abortion is definitely an option, shes totally against, and neither of us are religious...
anyway, back to poor old pope john paul II lol...
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think about only how many people have died because the pope said they shouldn't use condoms...
explain....
ever heard of aids?
that is naive... if people didnt indulge in so much fucking in the 60's and 70's aids wouldnt have spread so much.
the pope also condems sex before marriage, therefor meaning you have to be a virgin going into marriage, therefor no aids. you fucking idiot.
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you're joking right tonio? hardcore catholics hang off everything the church says..
Hardcore catholics dont have pre-marriage sex. End of the story.
Oh, and i live in Italy, where the Pope lives, and i still gotta meet one of those hardcore catholic dudes who never had sex before he got married. Or who doesnt use condoms because the Church is against them.
i've met a person 28 years old, devoted to christianity and wouldnt have sex before marriage, even heavy petting is unacceptable.
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They're backwards and too stubborn to change. That's a major thing that's wrong with the Vatican.
sometimes you have to stick to the roots to know where you are coming from... just because the world is changing doesnt mean it's changing for the better...
if you get hit every day with a stick, eventually you will get used to it and think its normal, but infact it isnt normal, you are just conditioned to accept it.
the pope will not accept the bullshit thats going on even though the majority of the population does not follow the rules...
so you would prefer a religion that just sees everyone does it, so fuck it we'll do it aswell ??? did you always fall into peer group pressure ?
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AIDS isnt just about sex.. it never started with gay people.. it was just noticed among them first as they appear to have been (and probably are) more conscious of their sexual health.
these days you can get AIDS from a dodgy blood transfusion..
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Since you guys are young, sex is the most important thing the pope preaches. I'm a Catholic, the girl I am messing with is Catholic, we ain't married and we use condoms. The pope doesn't push that weight. We know the basic church preachings, only have sex during marriage. The Bible says that, we should follow it. We are sinners, so we do what we gotta do. But the church can't go back on what the Bible says, it doesn't have that right.
What you guys should be doing is talking about how the pope has done many great things in the world. His proven to be a pope that's for the poor, and is using the Vatican II's belief of social justice in the church. His gone to many poor countries and visit many people. The pope has been an example to us all.
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...and the same pope compared abortion to the holocaust... ::)
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killing innocent people... i see the raport.
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forcing a raped girl to NOT abort an unwanted child, from an unwanted sexual encounter is one of the most vile and disgusting thigs i can think off and in my view is actually up there with the crime itself since it prolongs the pain of the encounter for the rest of that girls life by providing a permanent living reminder.
Yeah, better to kill the baby? Please. Killing a baby is "one of the most vile and disgusting things I can think of and in my view is actually up there with the crime itself since it KILLS"
How's that? Opinions are like assholes, we all have one.
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The Vatican knows what is happening in the world and they know they have the power to do at least something about it. Don't you agree?
yes
so why do you still defend them in this case? it doesn't make any sense
because they have beliefs which they can't go back on..
they cant just chop and change what they preach just bcoz people are defying the rules
they cant
Exactly. I'm not catholic. I understand where they're coming from.
It would be the same if people were killing those who wouldn't deny christ. According to the idiots on this board, the Catholic church should then get with the times, and instruct people to deny Christ, so they wouldn't die.
The church doesn't believe in premarital sex, whether it's happening, or not! It doesn't matter if the entire world is doing it, they don't believe in it. They also don't believe in contraception. If everyone was NOT having premarital sex (like the church believes they shouldn't), then all the tons and tons of babies born as a result would be born in wedlock. You wouldn't have the problem of young mothers with unwanted babies.
Yall think they should change with the times, they can't change with the times, it's one of their beliefs. The immaturity of people to even GRASP a concept on this board is stunning sometimes. Yall are some of the most spineless, pussified people ever, don't you have ANYTHING you stand for, anything you don't go back on, anything you don't change to suit whatever whim is blowing around that day? The Catholic Church does... they're standing in a world that's already changed past what they offer, but yet they still offer it because that's what they think is right. None of yall are intelligent enough to respect that, so I say fuck off.
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The Pope is not the Prime Minister, you know what i mean? He doesnt make laws and you dont go to jail if you dont respect his opinion. He's just there to tell you what's good and what's wrong for Christians. Catholic Christians of the Church of Rome, to be precise. Every move you make, that's always up to you, expecially if we talk about those ethical things. The Church shows you the right way from their point of view, exactly like Muslims or Jews do it. Then you can do whatever you want, they dont force you to make anything, really. That's what i'm saying. Here, in Italy, where the Pope lives, abortion is legal, divorces are legal (and a lot of people devorce, unfortunally), condoms are legal and used by almost everybody (but the dumb ones who doesnt really give a fuck), pills and shit are legal and a lot of girls uses them, and we are having a referendum in a pair of months for other ethical problems like those ones (but the whole Italian Nation is voting, not the Christians only). The Pope tells you what you should do. Then you can do whatever you want. That's why we pray God to forgive our sins.
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but it happens anyway!
the media gets influenced by the pope too... there would be a lot more education on safe sex all over the world if the pope would say "if you have sex, use a condom"
i know we can't expect the pope to say "yeh its ok to have sex whenever u want", but we can't expect him to deny the fact it's happening either
and seer's on point too
Man that's so fake that, like i just said, here, in Italy, we have abortions, divorces, we use condoms and females takes pills. 90% of them. Whoever uses the Pope to make propaganda, he's the one to blame.
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The Vatican knows what is happening in the world and they know they have the power to do at least something about it. Don't you agree?
What is happening in the world is that you see sex on tv 24/7, that internet is full of sex, that girls have sex for the first time when they are 14-15 years old, that 80% of today's movies have at least a sex scene, that people think sex is the most important thing in life, etc.. That's what's happening. That gay are getting married, that you can have kids even if you a gay, that you can have a kid by the sperm of a dead man too, that you can frooze your sperm to have 300 kids, that you...... that's what's happening!
The soluction is not the condoms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's the Church.
That's why i totally disagree.
Then i understand that if a girl gets raped, she probably doesnt want a kid and she should abort, if she wants. But abortions are legal in almost the whole world, so what's the problem? You kill the baby and it's over, if you want to.
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...and the same pope compared abortion to the holocaust... ::)
No, the same Pope condamned Christians for the Holocaust.
And considering 1/3 of italian women have had at least one abortion (SHIT ITALIANS!!!!!!!!!!!).... that's not a very wrong comparsion at all.
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trauma speakin the truth
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I'm a greek orthodox so i don't follow the pope but here's my opinion.
I've said this before about abortion , the only time a woman should be able to have an abortion is when going to labor and whatever threatens her health (which is REALLY REALLY rare) , if she was raped and got pregnant , have the baby and give it away if u feel u can't raise it ,give the baby a chance at life . And if u got pregnant cause u and ur boyfriend thought "hey we're responsible enough to live with the consequences of having sex" and then u have an abortion then fuck u . ur both selfish bitches that don't deserve to breath . U get pregnant: u bring the baby into the world and pull in 20 hour work days if u have to , to support it.
Also , it seems that most the christians(heck most religious people) on this site and probably the world agree with the pope.Yet people who don't give a shit about what the pope or the Vatican say , are the ones saying that the church needs to change it's views.
So get this ,what they're saying is : "the church should compromise it's beliefs to please us , even though we don't really consider them to be any kind of real reference ."
ur saying the only way to fight the problems that come with having sex is by using condoms and if u get pregnant using abortion , the church is saying it's by way of abstinance and teaching kids what the real consequences of sex are in hope that it'll make then understand what's at stake.
U have different opinions , GET OVER IT!!! Don't insult a guy that has done a lot of good for a lot of people , when he's on his death bed.
my prayers are with the pope in hope that he can find peace.
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i agree with you.
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forcing a raped girl to NOT abort an unwanted child, from an unwanted sexual encounter is one of the most vile and disgusting thigs i can think off and in my view is actually up there with the crime itself since it prolongs the pain of the encounter for the rest of that girls life by providing a permanent living reminder.
Yeah, better to kill the baby? Please. Killing a baby is "one of the most vile and disgusting things I can think of and in my view is actually up there with the crime itself since it KILLS"
How's that? Opinions are like assholes, we all have one.
no. you miss the point..
the point is this.. ITS THE GIRLS CHOICE.
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It's never a man/woman's choice, man. It's always a God's choice. Even if the kid is the result of a woman getting raped. Even if the kid has an handicap or he's down. Even if the kid is not the one you wanted, or even if you dont want him. Even if the kid is unhealthy, dumb, deaf mute or whatever. But you gotta be 101% Christian to understand what i'm saying.
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he's dead
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R.I.P.
truly a man to look up to