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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on April 14, 2005, 09:35:08 PM
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Since this is a religious, political, and deeper issues forum. I wanted to get a discussion going about Christianity. Let me start it off by who is the creator? And then posing these six questions to Christians...
1. Does God have complete knowledge of his creation?
2. Who Created Life?
3. Who Created Death?
4. Who Created Suffering?
5. Who Created Forgiveness?
6. Would it be concievable in the Christian concept of God, for God to pee and poop His Pants?
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1. Yes.
2. God
3.God
4. God
5. God
6. You are not a genuine Muslim.
P.S Don't ask me where in the bible, im no Ned Flanders.
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1) Yes
2) God
3) Death is an event that everything goes through...planets, solar systems, ants, humans, stars. so since God made all these, death was created after these things
4) People created Suffering, If Adam and Eve would have just chilled, then we'd all be living in a utopian place.
5) God
6) yes, he made you Infinite
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cmon man i know this is the section for all the god/religion related topics....but seriously....ur threads r getting annoying
peace
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Thank you for the replies. So if God you guys agree that God created suffering then why did he need to send his son to Earth to know what suffering was? If God created forgiveness, then why would he need to send Jesus to die so that we could have forgiveness? If God created death, then why did he need to send himself as a man (Jesus) to experience death?
He already created and had knowledge of all these conditions. Infact, God created these conditions. He is not bound by these conditions but he is the creator of these conditions. God does not pee and God does not poop his pants. When Jesus was a baby he peed and pooped his pants, when Jesus was hungry he had to eat. But God created hunger, and he is the master of it.
So clearly, by saying Jesus is a God, Christians are presenting more then one God. This is a direct violation of the ten commandments, in the ten commandments it states "Thou Shall Have No Gods Before Me (Worship No God But Me)".
It seems there are two Gods being presented in the Christian concept, in the Old Testament you have this unique God who is greater than his creation and not bound by laws of his creation, and in the new testament you have Jesus pleading to God "Why have you forsaken me" and stating "I and the father are one". That statement, "I and the father are one" is the foundation for the trinity, and it is clearly stating that two Gods are being put together to make one.
So I think it is undeniable to state that although Christians teach that their God is One, there is more than one God being presented.
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you should not believe ALL the crap people wrote in that bible... I Believe in god but just not in the church, atleast here in netherlands lol, first off it's boring... 2nd 90% of what's in the bible is bullshit... and that bullshit is what the church wants you 2 believe...
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you should not believe ALL the crap people wrote in that bible... I Believe in god but just not in the church, atleast here in netherlands lol, first off it's boring... 2nd 90% of what's in the bible is bullshit... and that bullshit is what the church wants you 2 believe...
That is the best way. You should believe in God and only God. Even Christians are instructed in the 10 commandments to worship God with no partners, to put nothing before God. We should not worship man, for man is merely a part of God's creation. Worship the Creator and not the creation. One of the reasons we are so materialistic and superficial is because we are attatched to the creation. But God created everything we see in this life. So we must reflect, repent, and see the signs in his creation; and worship God only.
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Jesus was an example of how we should all live our lives, and what is a better example than one who is just like us?
God could have sent an angel to live with us... that didn't need to go to the bathroom, or eat and he could have showered this angel with gold and everything so he wouldn't have to ever worry about anything...and when his time was up, do a last concert and just disappear... but where is the example in that?
God forgave before Jesus was around so forgiveness wasn't created when jesus was born
and lastly, there is only one God
look at God like this... God is like the Sun an awesome power that we can't fully comprehend. Jesus is like the light of the sun, a tangible substance and the Holy Spirit is like the heat of the sun.
these three things belong to/are apart of the Sun
of course since your reason for this thread was to show your dislike of Christianity, feel free not to understand anything i just said and do some more preaching of your own
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^^^^^^^^
Nice defense 8) 8)
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YES. Needles Kane. I feel you. Speak it!
This Mullah guy just wants to convert every1 to his way of thinking. Go hit a damm street corner with a "every1 follow my religion or be put to death by Allah" sign.
"I'm far from religious but I've got beliefs, canary yellow diamonds on my Jesus Peace"
Either you believe all occured by random chance or purposeful design by a Creator FAR wiser than us. Christian perspective: God Created all. God can make you forget that you ever crapped your pants. He lives outside of time. Could Jesus' crapped His pants? Who knows. Who cares. Crapping your pants isn't a sin. Maybe He had some bad yogurt. Christ is King, the Word is 100% True, He did it all 4 luv. God sent His Son not to condemn the world, but to save it. At least understand Christianity b4 u knock it.
It's very simple. Not that difficult. Too much wannabe intellect will trip u eVVVeryTiMe.
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I'mma ask Nima to make God an interview for you, homeboy. ;D
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Jesus was an example of how we should all live our lives, and what is a better example than one who is just like us?
God could have sent an angel to live with us... that didn't need to go to the bathroom, or eat and he could have showered this angel with gold and everything so he wouldn't have to ever worry about anything...and when his time was up, do a last concert and just disappear... but where is the example in that?
God forgave before Jesus was around so forgiveness wasn't created when jesus was born
and lastly, there is only one God
look at God like this... God is like the Sun an awesome power that we can't fully comprehend. Jesus is like the light of the sun, a tangible substance and the Holy Spirit is like the heat of the sun.
these three things belong to/are apart of the Sun
of course since your reason for this thread was to show your dislike of Christianity, feel free not to understand anything i just said and do some more preaching of your own
Nice defense
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Seriously Infinate What is your problem? Whats your beef with christians, and whats your beef with being white, when your white? why do u pretend to not be white?
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suffering was created from sin. When the world was created it was perfect (No suffering), but when adam and eve sinned... it changed the perfect world they lived in.
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Since this is a religious, political, and deeper issues forum. I wanted to get a discussion going about Christianity. Let me start it off by who is the creator? And then posing these six questions to Christians...
1. Does God have complete knowledge of his creation?
2. Who Created Life?
3. Who Created Death?
4. Who Created Suffering?
5. Who Created Forgiveness?
6. Would it be concievable in the Christian concept of God, for God to pee and poop His Pants?
Look man i like reading some of you posts, but this isnt the smartest thing you have written.... first off the fundamentals of all major religions are the same... ill answer your questions to the best of my ability, but if you really care for the answers, then go speak to a Roman Catholic priest...
1. Ofcourse, very bad question.
2. It was God.
3. with the creation of life comes the inevitable, death follows life, there is always an opposite to an equation.
4. suffering was created by those that chose to do wrong and suffer.
5. forgiveness was not created, it is a power within us all, God represents forgiveness to the fullest.
6. no God would not poop and pee his pants.
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Thank you for the replies. So if God you guys agree that God created suffering then why did he need to send his son to Earth to know what suffering was? If God created forgiveness, then why would he need to send Jesus to die so that we could have forgiveness? If God created death, then why did he need to send himself as a man (Jesus) to experience death?
obviously you have no education on the bible and catholic teachings.... if this is a question that one of your lunatic Arab priests asks you then you are following the wrong religion... never when i was at church did the priest talk or mock other religions.
i dont know who told you this but God didnt send Jesus to earth so he could experience suffering death etc, its an ignorant question, i dont know why you ask this... Jesus was sent and became Christ, he showed to God that if one human is worthy of doing such good then it is possible for other humans like wise, therefor Jesus opened the doors of heaven to us...
He already created and had knowledge of all these conditions. Infact, God created these conditions. He is not bound by these conditions but he is the creator of these conditions. God does not pee and God does not poop his pants. When Jesus was a baby he peed and pooped his pants, when Jesus was hungry he had to eat. But God created hunger, and he is the master of it.
where in the name of fuck did you get the idea Jesus is a God ? posts like this really anger me....
So clearly, by saying Jesus is a God, Christians are presenting more then one God. This is a direct violation of the ten commandments, in the ten commandments it states "Thou Shall Have No Gods Before Me (Worship No God But Me)".
NEVER comment on issues you obviously have absolutely no knowledge of
It seems there are two Gods being presented in the Christian concept, in the Old Testament you have this unique God who is greater than his creation and not bound by laws of his creation, and in the new testament you have Jesus pleading to God "Why have you forsaken me" and stating "I and the father are one". That statement, "I and the father are one" is the foundation for the trinity, and it is clearly stating that two Gods are being put together to make one.
things arent always what they seem, you mis interpreted the reading, im sorry but i cant be bothered anymore with these ridiculous statements. This isnt Dragon ball Z where there are fusions...
So I think it is undeniable to state that although Christians teach that their God is One, there is more than one God being presented.
dont ever make any more comments on the Catholic religion, if you choose Islam i have no problem with it, i read your little stories and find them knowledgable, but do not try to put down a religion you have no knowledge of. If you want to try to find conflicts in the teachings, look deeper than this, because to me you have proven only naiveness with these series of posts.
Unless you discuss these issues with a priest dont ever make posts trying to mock a religion you know nothing of.
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1. Does God have complete knowledge of his creation? yes
2. Who Created Life? God
3. Who Created Death? God
4. Who Created Suffering?God
5. Who Created Forgiveness?God
6. Would it be concievable in the Christian concept of God, for God to pee and poop His Pants? yeah if he wanted to
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i dont know who told you this but God didnt send Jesus to earth so he could experience suffering death etc, its an ignorant question, i dont know why you ask this... Jesus was sent and became Christ, he showed to God that if one human is worthy of doing such good then it is possible for other humans like wise, therefor Jesus opened the doors of heaven to us...
^^^^ This is interesting, I haven't heard this one before. If I take your statement at face value then I would have to assume that before Jesus God didn't think humans were worthy of doing such good, and that after Jesus, God was then able to open up the doors of heaven?
Interesting...this makes even less sense then the Christian viewpoint I had origionally stated. So do all you Christians at the forum agree with his statements?
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1. Does God have complete knowledge of his creation? yes
2. Who Created Life? God
3. Who Created Death? God
4. Who Created Suffering?God
5. Who Created Forgiveness?God
6. Would it be concievable in the Christian concept of God, for God to pee and poop His Pants? yeah if he wanted to
So if God created suffering, then why do Christians think it was necassary for God to send Jesus (his son, himself, his spirit, etc., etc.) to Earth to understand human suffering? If God created suffering then didn't he already have full knowledge of it?
So if God created forgiveness, then why do Christians think it was necassary for God to send Jesus (his son, himself, his sprit, etc., etc.) to Earth so that man could be forgiven? If God created forgiveness then why was it necassary for Jesus to die for our sins?
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Next question. Do Christians at this forum believe Jesus was.....
A. God
B. God's son
C. The Holy Spirit
D. All Three
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btw, if you select any of those answers you are presenting more than One God, which is in direct violation of the Ten Commandments which state, "Thou Shall have no others before me (no partners, One God)."
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What the fuck?
Didn't I have a post in this topic?
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What the fuck?
Didn't I have a post in this topic?
The liberal media censored it
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i dont know who told you this but God didnt send Jesus to earth so he could experience suffering death etc, its an ignorant question, i dont know why you ask this... Jesus was sent and became Christ, he showed to God that if one human is worthy of doing such good then it is possible for other humans like wise, therefor Jesus opened the doors of heaven to us...
^^^^ This is interesting, I haven't heard this one before. If I take your statement at face value then I would have to assume that before Jesus God didn't think humans were worthy of doing such good, and that after Jesus, God was then able to open up the doors of heaven?
Interesting...this makes even less sense then the Christian viewpoint I had origionally stated. So do all you Christians at the forum agree with his statements?
God sent Jesus to earth to die for mans' sin.
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Since this is a religious, political, and deeper issues forum. I wanted to get a discussion going about Christianity. Let me start it off by who is the creator? And then posing these six questions to Christians...
1. Does God have complete knowledge of his creation?
2. Who Created Life?
3. Who Created Death?
4. Who Created Suffering?
5. Who Created Forgiveness?
6. Would it be concievable in the Christian concept of God, for God to pee and poop His Pants?
are you asking to seek knowledge or to judge?
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What the fuck?
Didn't I have a post in this topic?
The liberal media censored it
I guess it got deleted then...
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Next question. Do Christians at this forum believe Jesus was.....
A. God
B. God's son
C. The Holy Spirit
D. All Three
?
btw, if you select any of those answers you are presenting more than One God, which is in direct violation of the Ten Commandments which state, "Thou Shall have no others before me (no partners, One God)."
hey moron, yes you, the white guy playing Nas while surfing islamic websites, YOU! the goofy looking white guy with the kufi on your head...
if you scroll up either by using the wheel on your mouse that Allah created, or the little scroll bar on the right that Allah also created, you'd see i already answered this question... if you get to your dumb ass first post, you've gone too far...if you get to the posts where people agree with me and say that i put you in your place as the dumb white person you are...you're almost there...
i know the last little closing paragraph described you perfectly but you didn't have to prove taht i'm right and you're a dumb ass cracker that quick
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Jesus was an example of how we should all live our lives, and what is a better example than one who is just like us?
God could have sent an angel to live with us... that didn't need to go to the bathroom, or eat and he could have showered this angel with gold and everything so he wouldn't have to ever worry about anything...and when his time was up, do a last concert and just disappear... but where is the example in that?
God forgave before Jesus was around so forgiveness wasn't created when jesus was born
and lastly, there is only one God
look at God like this... God is like the Sun an awesome power that we can't fully comprehend. Jesus is like the light of the sun, a tangible substance and the Holy Spirit is like the heat of the sun.
these three things belong to/are apart of the Sun
of course since your reason for this thread was to show your dislike of Christianity, feel free not to understand anything i just said and do some more preaching of your own
that was a nice explaination, good shit man
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Next question. Do Christians at this forum believe Jesus was.....
A. God
B. God's son
C. The Holy Spirit
D. All Three
?
btw, if you select any of those answers you are presenting more than One God, which is in direct violation of the Ten Commandments which state, "Thou Shall have no others before me (no partners, One God)."
JESUS WAS A HUMAN BEING !!!!!
HE WAS GODS SON LIKE WE ARE ALL GODS CHILDREN
JESUS WAS ENPOWERED BY "CHRIST", THERE FOR HE IS CALLED JESUS CHRIST, CHRIST OR THE HOLY SPIRIT ARENT GODS.
look man you arent stupid, you should know that there are thousands of people in the world who study the bible, to become a priest you must first study for 7 years before you are ordained, if the bible contradicted itself not so many people would swear by it, read the book first, then cosult a professional that can discuss it further, such as your local priest, because not everyone on this forum studies religion 24/7...
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Jesus was an example of how we should all live our lives, and what is a better example than one who is just like us?
God could have sent an angel to live with us... that didn't need to go to the bathroom, or eat and he could have showered this angel with gold and everything so he wouldn't have to ever worry about anything...and when his time was up, do a last concert and just disappear... but where is the example in that?
God forgave before Jesus was around so forgiveness wasn't created when jesus was born
and lastly, there is only one God
look at God like this... God is like the Sun an awesome power that we can't fully comprehend. Jesus is like the light of the sun, a tangible substance and the Holy Spirit is like the heat of the sun.
these three things belong to/are apart of the Sun
of course since your reason for this thread was to show your dislike of Christianity, feel free not to understand anything i just said and do some more preaching of your own
that was a nice explaination, good shit man
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Next question. Do Christians at this forum believe Jesus was.....
A. God
B. God's son
C. The Holy Spirit
D. All Three
?
btw, if you select any of those answers you are presenting more than One God, which is in direct violation of the Ten Commandments which state, "Thou Shall have no others before me (no partners, One God)."
JESUS WAS A HUMAN BEING !!!!!
HE WAS GODS SON LIKE WE ARE ALL GODS CHILDREN
JESUS WAS ENPOWERED BY "CHRIST", THERE FOR HE IS CALLED JESUS CHRIST, CHRIST OR THE HOLY SPIRIT ARENT GODS.
look man you arent stupid, you should know that there are thousands of people in the world who study the bible, to become a priest you must first study for 7 years before you are ordained, if the bible contradicted itself not so many people would swear by it, read the book first, then cosult a professional that can discuss it further, such as your local priest, because not everyone on this forum studies religion 24/7...
If it was that simple Christians wouldn't still be debating it. Don't answer like you know for sure. Monks have studied the Bible for lifetimes and haven't fully figured it out. There are no definate answers. It's not so easy to understand. To say Jesus was just an annointed human contradicts what is said in many parts of the Bible. Jesus clearly places himself above the prophets. "Christ" is just a greek word that means annointed. It isn't even certain if anyone referred to him as such. The Jews almost certainly did not, but the Romans may have. I have faith in what is good and righteous. I believe in the words of Jesus but try not to categorize him in any definate way because I do not know. It is outside our realm of knowledge to understand anything divine. Just be a good person and hope for the best. It's worked for me so far. I'll let you know if it stops working.
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1) YES
2) GOD
3) GOD, BUT GOD CREATES ETERNAL LIFE FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM
4) GOD
5) GOD
6) THIS DOESNT EVEN DESERVE A SERIOUS ANSWER
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JESUS WAS A HUMAN BEING !!!!!
HE WAS GODS SON LIKE WE ARE ALL GODS CHILDREN
JESUS WAS ENPOWERED BY "CHRIST", THERE FOR HE IS CALLED JESUS CHRIST, CHRIST OR THE HOLY SPIRIT ARENT GODS.
look man you arent stupid, you should know that there are thousands of people in the world who study the bible, to become a priest you must first study for 7 years before you are ordained, if the bible contradicted itself not so many people would swear by it, read the book first, then cosult a professional that can discuss it further, such as your local priest, because not everyone on this forum studies religion 24/7...
So all the Christians at this forum agree then? Jesus wasn't God? Just a human being? Good, then we are in agreement (except for that Holy spirit thing I'm not too sure about, but we are getting closer).
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I'll agree that you're a fucking moron.
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JESUS WAS A HUMAN BEING !!!!!
HE WAS GODS SON LIKE WE ARE ALL GODS CHILDREN
JESUS WAS ENPOWERED BY "CHRIST", THERE FOR HE IS CALLED JESUS CHRIST, CHRIST OR THE HOLY SPIRIT ARENT GODS.
look man you arent stupid, you should know that there are thousands of people in the world who study the bible, to become a priest you must first study for 7 years before you are ordained, if the bible contradicted itself not so many people would swear by it, read the book first, then cosult a professional that can discuss it further, such as your local priest, because not everyone on this forum studies religion 24/7...
So all the Christians at this forum agree then? Jesus wasn't God? Just a human being? Good, then we are in agreement (except for that Holy spirit thing I'm not too sure about, but we are getting closer).
First off, your garbage infinate, You should become a suicide bomber, dont try to talk shit about religious believes that you know nothing about just to try and make your religion seem superior........secondly to answer your question..(dont know why im doing this, but just cuz im trying to think back to my Cathecism teachings)....
Jesus - PART OF CHRIST
There is a thing christians believe in, Its called The "Trinity"
Father, Son, Holy Spirit = GOD ... ALL IN ONE, ONE IN ALL
Father - God All Mighty
Son - Jesus, God version sent to earth, sent to spread the word of god/deliver people from sin
Holy Spirit - Jesus, after death, opens heavens gates, rises to heaven...
God Created jesus, gave him to the virgin mother mary, then afterwards he lived, did miracles, then was ratted out, was sentenced to die, was hung on a cross, then was put in a tomb, when his mother went to check on him, she found him gone, then saw him alive, risen...with all his wounds....he then rose to heaven and yea...as u can see, ive been outta touch with religion for a while, i am making an attempt to get back to going to church, in learning more about christ and the bible and all....but yea, thats how it works...
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JESUS WAS A HUMAN BEING !!!!!
HE WAS GODS SON LIKE WE ARE ALL GODS CHILDREN
JESUS WAS ENPOWERED BY "CHRIST", THERE FOR HE IS CALLED JESUS CHRIST, CHRIST OR THE HOLY SPIRIT ARENT GODS.
look man you arent stupid, you should know that there are thousands of people in the world who study the bible, to become a priest you must first study for 7 years before you are ordained, if the bible contradicted itself not so many people would swear by it, read the book first, then cosult a professional that can discuss it further, such as your local priest, because not everyone on this forum studies religion 24/7...
So all the Christians at this forum agree then? Jesus wasn't God? Just a human being? Good, then we are in agreement (except for that Holy spirit thing I'm not too sure about, but we are getting closer).
If you read my post just above yours you'd know I do not agree with that? The problem with you Infinite is you want definate answers to faith based question. Here are the only honest answers anyone on thios forum can give regarding your questions:
1. Does God have complete knowledge of his creation? I don't know.
2. Who Created Life? I don't know.
3. Who Created Death? I don't know.
4. Who Created Suffering? I don't know.
5. Who Created Forgiveness? I don't Know.
6. Would it be concievable in the Christian concept of God, for God to pee and poop His Pants? I don't know.
Answering anything other than "I don't know" to those questions implies you have divine wisdom, which no one here has. The furthest you can get from I don't know is "I believe it was....". You think you can give absolute answers and you cannot, unless you're a prophet, but your sheer ignorance throws that theory out the window.
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^^^ he was asking within our knowledge and uderstanding of catholicism or christianity.... what he doesnt realise is he studies Allah more than most of us study christianity, we cant give legit answers to these sorts of question.
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^^^ he was asking within our knowledge and uderstanding of catholicism or christianity.... what he doesnt realise is he studies Allah more than most of us study christianity, we cant give legit answers to these sorts of question.
Yeah but he asks them to try and disprove our beliefs. His questions were more rhetorical than inquiring. He wanted to establish the power of God then try and downplay Jesus with the last question. He's an idiot for thinking anyone would fall for it, but he's an even bigger idiot because he probably fell for it himself when he was first presented with these questions..
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Yeah but he asks them to try and disprove our beliefs. His questions were more rhetorical than inquiring. He wanted to establish the power of God then try and downplay Jesus with the last question. He's an idiot for thinking anyone would fall for it, but he's an even bigger idiot because he probably fell for it himself when he was first presented with these questions..
Actually, I'm not an idiot and I am being totally logical. Tell me what is illogical about what I am purposing?
The Creator is the eternal, the absolute. He is greater than anything within his creation. He is not bound by the laws of the creation, for he is the Creator! He created the condition of hunger for man, but he himself does not get hungry and he does not eat! The Creator does not sleep, for if he slept who would sustain his creation? And I am 100% sure the Creator of the Worlds does not need to use the restroom!
Next question for Christians... For Muslims, the Noble Qu'ran clearly explains that no sleep nor slumber can overtake God (Allah). Yet, the Bible says that God "slept on the 7th day". So my question for the Christians is, who is maintaining and sustaining the Earth while God is sleeping?
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Yeah but he asks them to try and disprove our beliefs. His questions were more rhetorical than inquiring. He wanted to establish the power of God then try and downplay Jesus with the last question. He's an idiot for thinking anyone would fall for it, but he's an even bigger idiot because he probably fell for it himself when he was first presented with these questions..
Actually, I'm not an idiot and I am being totally logical. Tell me what is illogical about what I am purposing?
The Creator is the eternal, the absolute. He is greater than anything within his creation. He is not bound by the laws of the creation, for he is the Creator! He created the condition of hunger for man, but he himself does not get hungry and he does not eat! The Creator does not sleep, for if he slept who would sustain his creation? And I am 100% sure the Creator of the Worlds does not need to use the restroom!
Next question for Christians... For Muslims, the Noble Qu'ran clearly explains that no sleep nor slumber can overtake God (Allah). Yet, the Bible says that God "slept on the 7th day". So my question for the Christians is, who is maintaining and sustaining the Earth while God is sleeping?
he rested, not slept moron, it means he quit creating... and even if he did sleep...how is everything just going to stop existing? most people here were created by parents and parents sleep, we didn't just die when our creators fell asleep so once again you made a stupid comment
you are an idiot infinite, if you were "logical" then you wouldn't even believe in something that cannot be proven i.e. the existance of Allah, because most religions defy logic...they rely on faith...
once again, ignore my posts because they make you look stupid
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^^^ he was asking within our knowledge and uderstanding of catholicism or christianity.... what he doesnt realise is he studies Allah more than most of us study christianity, we cant give legit answers to these sorts of question.
Yeah but he asks them to try and disprove our beliefs. His questions were more rhetorical than inquiring. He wanted to establish the power of God then try and downplay Jesus with the last question. He's an idiot for thinking anyone would fall for it, but he's an even bigger idiot because he probably fell for it himself when he was first presented with these questions..
yeh i realised they were rhetorical, it pissed me off... i told him to speak to a priest...
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Yeah but he asks them to try and disprove our beliefs. His questions were more rhetorical than inquiring. He wanted to establish the power of God then try and downplay Jesus with the last question. He's an idiot for thinking anyone would fall for it, but he's an even bigger idiot because he probably fell for it himself when he was first presented with these questions..
Actually, I'm not an idiot and I am being totally logical. Tell me what is illogical about what I am purposing?
The Creator is the eternal, the absolute. He is greater than anything within his creation. He is not bound by the laws of the creation, for he is the Creator! He created the condition of hunger for man, but he himself does not get hungry and he does not eat! The Creator does not sleep, for if he slept who would sustain his creation? And I am 100% sure the Creator of the Worlds does not need to use the restroom!
Next question for Christians... For Muslims, the Noble Qu'ran clearly explains that no sleep nor slumber can overtake God (Allah). Yet, the Bible says that God "slept on the 7th day". So my question for the Christians is, who is maintaining and sustaining the Earth while God is sleeping?
God sisnt sleep he rested... i among others said God wouldnt soil himself....
please if you are really interested in this topic research before you make posts. your questions are not logical at all.
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Yeah but he asks them to try and disprove our beliefs. His questions were more rhetorical than inquiring. He wanted to establish the power of God then try and downplay Jesus with the last question. He's an idiot for thinking anyone would fall for it, but he's an even bigger idiot because he probably fell for it himself when he was first presented with these questions..
Actually, I'm not an idiot and I am being totally logical. Tell me what is illogical about what I am purposing?
The Creator is the eternal, the absolute. He is greater than anything within his creation. He is not bound by the laws of the creation, for he is the Creator! He created the condition of hunger for man, but he himself does not get hungry and he does not eat! The Creator does not sleep, for if he slept who would sustain his creation? And I am 100% sure the Creator of the Worlds does not need to use the restroom!
Next question for Christians... For Muslims, the Noble Qu'ran clearly explains that no sleep nor slumber can overtake God (Allah). Yet, the Bible says that God "slept on the 7th day". So my question for the Christians is, who is maintaining and sustaining the Earth while God is sleeping?
Who said you were being illogical? Certainly not me. I said your questions were rhetorical. I find it amusing that you think you can derive the proper information from books like the Torah, Gospel, and Quran, but you can't even read my simple posts and understand what I said. How can you decipher the Quran when you don't even know the difference between rhetorical and illogical? You questions were rhetorical because you knew the answers all Christians would give, then you threw in that last question as a trap to make us think "well then Jesus can't be God". You're an idiot because you thought any one here would buy into it.
As for your latest ignorant question (ingorant because you ignore the fact the the book of Genesis is just as much a part of Islam as it is Christianity.); I have no idea what God rested on the 7th day really means. I know many people think that the creating of the world in 6 days literally means days like night and day, but I have read that if you take the actual hebrew text and translate that the word day most likely stands for era. So by that token we may very well be in the 7th day right now and God is currently resting, which would explain all the chaos in the world (your posts and threads in this forum included ;)). Maybe the day of man is the 7th day. Perhaps the prophets that were sent along the years were just attempts from God to convince us to take the path of righteousness. Who knows? I personally do not believe God controls the world as we speak because if he did we would not make such poor choices all the time. I strongly believe that free will is present and God is staying out of it. I believe he created it, and I believe he has the power to step in whenever he wants. I just don't think he does because he wants us choose the right path, and when we do we get to come home. That's the way I see it at the moment. My thoughts could change with time, but either way they are only thoughts and not self imposed facts I force upon my fellow man.
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Maybe the day of man is the 7th day. Perhaps the prophets that were sent along the years were just attempts from God to convince us to take the path of righteousness. Who knows? I personally do not believe God controls the world as we speak because if he did we would not make such poor choices all the time. I strongly believe that free will is present and God is staying out of it. I believe he created it, and I believe he has the power to step in whenever he wants. I just don't think he does because he wants us choose the right path, and when we do we get to come home. That's the way I see it at the moment. My thoughts could change with time, but either way they are only thoughts and not self imposed facts I force upon my fellow man.
wow man, why they call you shallow i dunno, coz thats some deep shit there man... i havent heard that theory before, i really need to get readin the old testament...
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I am not religious by any means, but if you think about it, what is the 7th day? It' Sunday.
Now, if God created the universe in 6 days, the 7th day is used to praise God for what He has given us while he rests. That is why many people go to church on Sunday.
To me, that seems like a logical answer. I could be wrong, but from a logical point of view, that's what I see the 7th day as.
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WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO? UR SO WEIRD YOU CANT EXPOSE A RELIGION THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR CENTURIES. JUST CAUSE YOUR PRO MUSLIM UP THE ASS AND READ WHATEVER YOU READ, DOESNT MEAN YOU CAN GO OUT AND TRY TO GIVE A BAD NAME TO OTHER RELIGIONS. RELIGION IS A FREEDOM OF CHOICE AND SHOULDNT BE CONTESTED BY YOUR BIAS VIEWS TOWARDS THINGS.
ME PERSONALLY JESUS>>>>>>>>ANY GOD.
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I am not religious by any means, but if you think about it, what is the 7th day? It' Sunday.
Now, if God created the universe in 6 days, the 7th day is used to praise God for what He has given us while he rests. That is why many people go to church on Sunday.
To me, that seems like a logical answer. I could be wrong, but from a logical point of view, that's what I see the 7th day as.
Actually the 7th day accepted by all three religions that used that system is was and always will be represented by Saturday. Christians go to church on Sunday because that is the day Jesus arose from his tomb and ascended to heaven. If you read the gospels you'll notice that Jesus acknowledges the Sabbath as the same day as the Jews and never attempts to imply that Saturday is the wrong day.
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I'll agree that you're a fucking moron.
true that... personally i think all the stuff in the bible mostly is bullshit (I still believe in God Though..) ... I slightly believe in Jesus.... he might excisted, he might not... who knows?
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I am not religious by any means, but if you think about it, what is the 7th day? It' Sunday.
Now, if God created the universe in 6 days, the 7th day is used to praise God for what He has given us while he rests. That is why many people go to church on Sunday.
To me, that seems like a logical answer. I could be wrong, but from a logical point of view, that's what I see the 7th day as.
Actually the 7th day accepted by all three religions that used that system is was and always will be represented by Saturday. Christians go to church on Sunday because that is the day Jesus arose from his tomb and ascended to heaven. If you read the gospels you'll notice that Jesus acknowledges the Sabbath as the same day as the Jews and never attempts to imply that Saturday is the wrong day.
Like I said, I don't claim any religion, and I haven't for a looooooong time. I'll just go along with what you said.
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People and Muslims (especially infinite) shouldn't take religious scriptures too seriously. They are ancient, people used to be stupider and so priests had to write in a way for the average joe to understand.
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People and Muslims (especially infinite) shouldn't take religious scriptures too seriously. They are ancient, people used to be stupider and so priests had to write in a way for the average joe to understand.
Not true. People more or less couldn't read. That's why it was up to priests to do the preaching and read from the scriptures. Look at the book of revelations and tell me that is dumbed down. No one can fully understand it it's so cryptic, and the rest of the bible is still being debated over by christians.
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what's strange is if you take any kind of religios course in college, you learn that certain stories in the bible and koran existed in other forms... Noah and his arc was a story similar to one tha ancient greeks used to tell, except it was their gods that caused the flood and that it wasn't noah and his family that built the arc...there were other stories but i can't remember them now
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what's strange is if you take any kind of religios course in college, you learn that certain stories in the bible and koran existed in other forms... Noah and his arc was a story similar to one tha ancient greeks used to tell, except it was their gods that caused the flood and that it wasn't noah and his family that built the arc...there were other stories but i can't remember them now
Although I agree with you I must add that it may have been the Greeks that changed the story after hearing the Noah story. The Hellenic era came much later than the time of Moses.
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People should not take the literal meaning of the religious texts.
I am not a Christian or a Muslim, but according to the bible, God created the universe in 7 days, but if nothing had yet been created, what is one 'day'? (As in - one day is the time it takes for the Earth to spin around, but the Earth or Sun had not yet been created, so how could it have been a day) The point I am making is that these are not 24 hour days, they have more of a metaphoric meaning, and one 'day' could even be millions of years. The meaning of these texts have been watered down, for easier understanding. Also, I heard that God did not 'rest' on the seventh day because he was tired, but rather chose not to do anything as he had completed his work.
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One God
Famous Orthodox Icon representing three angels that visited Abraham as a symbol of the Trinity.God is a single being. The Hebrew Bible lifts this one article of faith above others, and surrounds it with stern warnings against departure from this central issue of faith, and of faithfulness to the covenant God had made with them. "Hear O Israel! Jehovah is our God; Jehovah is one" (or "Jehovah alone", Deuteronomy 6:4) (the Shema), "You shall have no other gods before me" (Deuteronomy 5:7) and, "This is what the LORD says- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God." (Isaiah 44:6). Any formulation of an article of faith which does not insist that God is solitary, that divides worship between God and any other, or that imagines God coming into existence rather than being God eternally, is not capable of directing people toward the knowledge of God, according to the trinitarian understanding of the Old Testament. The same insistence is found in the New Testament: "there is no God, but one" (1 Corinthians 8:4). The "other gods" warned against are therefore not gods at all, but unequal substitutes for God.
So, in the trinitarian view, the common conception which thinks of the Father and Christ as two separate beings, seems to be a profoundly mistaken one. The central, and crucial affirmation of Christian faith is that there is one savior, God, and one salvation, in Jesus Christ, to which there is access only because of the Holy Spirit. The God of the Old is still the same as the God of the New. In Christianity, it is understood that statements behind a solitary god are intended to deviate from the polytheistic views where power is shared between several beings. Instead, the power exists in one being that exists in all three forms somewhat like the way light can be a wave or a particle.
found this, maybe it will help answer your question.
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity
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Actually the 7th day accepted by all three religions that used that system is was and always will be represented by Saturday. Christians go to church on Sunday because that is the day Jesus arose from his tomb and ascended to heaven. If you read the gospels you'll notice that Jesus acknowledges the Sabbath as the same day as the Jews and never attempts to imply that Saturday is the wrong day.
so if Saturday = Sabbath, why don't christians keep it "holy" like it says in the 10 commandments? It's suppose to be from sunset on Friday till sunset on Saturday, right? You're suppose to rest and give the day to the lord, right? Why is it that only 7th day adventist christians do this? Why don't majority of Christians?
I asked this once in a thread of my own and didn't really get no difinite answers.
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Actually the 7th day accepted by all three religions that used that system is was and always will be represented by Saturday. Christians go to church on Sunday because that is the day Jesus arose from his tomb and ascended to heaven. If you read the gospels you'll notice that Jesus acknowledges the Sabbath as the same day as the Jews and never attempts to imply that Saturday is the wrong day.
Why is it that only 7th day adventist christians do this? Why don't majority of Christians?
I asked this once in a thread of my own and didn't really get no difinite answers.
because the Roman Catholic religion was altered to benefit certain people... 7th day adventist christians may be trying to practise the correct shit.
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Yeah but he asks them to try and disprove our beliefs. His questions were more rhetorical than inquiring. He wanted to establish the power of God then try and downplay Jesus with the last question. He's an idiot for thinking anyone would fall for it, but he's an even bigger idiot because he probably fell for it himself when he was first presented with these questions..
Actually, I'm not an idiot and I am being totally logical. Tell me what is illogical about what I am purposing?
The Creator is the eternal, the absolute. He is greater than anything within his creation. He is not bound by the laws of the creation, for he is the Creator! He created the condition of hunger for man, but he himself does not get hungry and he does not eat! The Creator does not sleep, for if he slept who would sustain his creation? And I am 100% sure the Creator of the Worlds does not need to use the restroom!
Next question for Christians... For Muslims, the Noble Qu'ran clearly explains that no sleep nor slumber can overtake God (Allah). Yet, the Bible says that God "slept on the 7th day". So my question for the Christians is, who is maintaining and sustaining the Earth while God is sleeping?
he rested, not slept moron, it means he quit creating... and even if he did sleep...how is everything just going to stop existing? most people here were created by parents and parents sleep, we didn't just die when our creators fell asleep so once again you made a stupid comment
you are an idiot infinite, if you were "logical" then you wouldn't even believe in something that cannot be proven i.e. the existance of Allah, because most religions defy logic...they rely on faith...
once again, ignore my posts because they make you look stupid
yeah needles youve shut this kid up with every post....infinite come back at his shit, unless you too busy trying to think of different ways to be a dick and hate on everyone thats not muslim
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because the Roman Catholic religion was altered to benefit certain people... 7th day adventist christians may be trying to practise the correct shit.
So if they are altering it, then why do you as an individual choose to follow the catholic religion? That means you're breaking 1 of the 10 commandments every week for not keeping the sabbath holy, right?
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Actually the 7th day accepted by all three religions that used that system is was and always will be represented by Saturday. Christians go to church on Sunday because that is the day Jesus arose from his tomb and ascended to heaven. If you read the gospels you'll notice that Jesus acknowledges the Sabbath as the same day as the Jews and never attempts to imply that Saturday is the wrong day.
so if Saturday = Sabbath, why don't christians keep it "holy" like it says in the 10 commandments? It's suppose to be from sunset on Friday till sunset on Saturday, right? You're suppose to rest and give the day to the lord, right? Why is it that only 7th day adventist christians do this? Why don't majority of Christians?
I asked this once in a thread of my own and didn't really get no difinite answers.
There's a couple reasons and they have to do with Jesus; 1) As I said Sunday is the day of church to celebrate the day Jesus rose from the grave, 2) Jesus himself worked on the Sabbath and claimed that what needs to be done should be done, no matter the day, and 3) Jesus corrected many of Moses's faults so christians will choose Jesus over anything Mosers ever said. Whether it's right or wrong to work on Saturday is up in the air. I don't know, but you asked why Christians go to church on Sunday and I did the best I could.
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you TRIED.. but it still doesn't give me a definite answer. So you're saying PEOPLE celebrate it on Sunday because Jesus resurrected, but GOD told the people Saturday should be holy, right? and you're choosing and supporting the people side of the issue?
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you TRIED.. but it still doesn't give me a definite answer. So you're saying PEOPLE celebrate it on Sunday because Jesus resurrected, but GOD told the people Saturday should be holy, right? and you're choosing and supporting the people side of the issue?
But it wasn't God who told the people, it was Moses. No one had ever heard God speak, but Christians believed that when Jesus spoke and acted it was God speaking, therefore anything he said was what God said. No one is picking the people's side. Jesus distinctly allowed work to be done on the Sabbath, therefore Christians allow work to be done on the Sabbath.
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^ what you talking about? in genesis, it says god rested on the 7th day and made it the holy day for years to come etc.
and yea people could work if it's necessary, but what about all the other unholy things we do on saturdays?
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^ what you talking about? in genesis, it says god rested on the 7th day and made it the holy day for years to come etc.
and yea people could work if it's necessary, but what about all the other unholy things we do on saturdays?
All I'M talking about is that Jesus's words are more important than Moses's to Christians. And technically all the unholy things we ever do an any day are wrong, but for Orthodox Jews on the Sabbath, and for Christians on Sunday at one point, doing any work is not supposed to happen. Now it's different, but if you go back a couple thousand years no Jew was willingly working on the Sabbath, or at least they weren't supposed to.
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Props on Needles kanes explanation up there with the whole sun example, dope stuff....
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All I'M talking about is that Jesus's words are more important than Moses's to Christians. And technically all the unholy things we ever do an any day are wrong, but for Orthodox Jews on the Sabbath, and for Christians on Sunday at one point, doing any work is not supposed to happen. Now it's different, but if you go back a couple thousand years no Jew was willingly working on the Sabbath, or at least they weren't supposed to.
Now my question to you is, if god nor jesus did not pronounce Sunday as the worship day, why is it that we follow a man made holy day?
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All I'M talking about is that Jesus's words are more important than Moses's to Christians. And technically all the unholy things we ever do an any day are wrong, but for Orthodox Jews on the Sabbath, and for Christians on Sunday at one point, doing any work is not supposed to happen. Now it's different, but if you go back a couple thousand years no Jew was willingly working on the Sabbath, or at least they weren't supposed to.
Now my question to you is, if god nor jesus did not pronounce Sunday as the worship day, why is it that we follow a man made holy day?
Sunday is more a day of rejoicing rather than worship, or atleat it's suppsed to be. As to why Saturday is ignored, well that is because St. Paul, who is Christianity's Moses, declared that Sunday will be the day. Here'sa website that explains it better than I can;
http://www.bible.ca/ntx-sabbath-sunday.htm
Is Sunday the "Christian Sabbath"?
No! The Sabbath was Saturday and was nailed to the cross!
It was never the Divine plan that the Sabbath, the seventh day of the week, should be kept as a holy day beyond the Jewish dispensation. Attesting to this conclusion is Exodus 31: 16, "Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations". Whenever the phrase "throughout their generation" is used in the Bible, it always refers to the Jewish dispensation. That the ten commandments of which the Sabbath is part belongs to the old covenant is plainly revealed in Deut. 4:13, "And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments. And he wrote them on two tables of stone." The express reference to the ten commandments in connection of doing away with the old covenant is found in II Corinthians 3: 6-14. "Who also has made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit; for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. But if the ministration of death written and engraven in stones, was glorious, how shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. For if that which was done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: And not Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which was abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the Old Testament; which veil is done away in Christ."
Throughout this description, the Apostle Paul depicts a clear-cut contrast between the old and new covenants, or testaments. He plainly tells us that the old covenant, the ministration of death, was that which was written and engraved in stones - the ten commandments. Then he declares that the old covenant is done away, being done away in Christ. The doing away of the old covenant, the ten commandments, annulled the Sabbath law, the fourth commandment. The objection is raised, however, that if the Decalog, the Ten Commandments, is no longer binding, then we have no standard of right to guide us; that if the fourth commandment, the Sabbath law, is no longer in force, then neither are the commands to refrain from stealing, murder, idolatry, and so on. This objection is invalid in light of the fact that all things revealed in the old covenant having to do with the eternal divine principles of decency, right and justice are also given with even greater emphasis in the perfect law, which is the law of liberty, which is the law of Christ.
In reading the New Testament, we find that Jesus and his inspired apostles taught all the commandments of the Decalog, with the exception of the fourth commandment, the Sabbath law. There is no command in the covenant of Christ for any man to keep the Sabbath. The only day given special recognition in the new covenant is the first day of the week, commonly called Sunday, referred to in the scriptures as the Lord's Day. This day is not the Christians' Sabbath, as some assert. The Sabbath, whenever mentioned in the scriptures, always without exception, designates the seventh day of the week. Nowhere in the Bible is it affirmed that the first day of the week is given in place of the Sabbath. It is part of the new covenant and with a new significance, the day which our blessed Lord was raised from death according to Mark 16: 9. It is the day according to the examples the Lord's followers are to break bread, to Only a few years after the death of the last "But Sunday is the day which we hold our set forth in Acts 20: 7, that the Lord's followers are to break bread, partake of the Lord's supper. Only a few years after the death of the Apostle, Justin Martyr wrote, "But Sunday is the day which we hold our common assembly, because it is the first day of the week, and Jesus our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead".