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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Noname on May 19, 2005, 07:20:49 AM
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The last album that Tupac recorded while he was alive. He wrote his hardest, his realest and some of his most poignant rhymes ever. It was the album that made the world shake for about a year after it came out.
The Argument
Originally, no Tupac album scored in the top 10, while two Biggie albums did. The team felt that even if that's how the original voting went, it couldn't stand by the list without Tupac being on it (see the Ready to Die page for the debate on cutting one of Biggie's gems.) So which Tupac album should be included, All Eyez on Me or the Makaveli album (The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory)? Or none at all? There were a few holdouts who felt Pac didn't necessarily belong on this list of the greatest of all time ...
Rahman Dukes: I'm against having the two Biggie albums on there. But if we take one of the Biggie albums off and put a Tupac on and say that the Tupac one is better than the Biggie one that we took off, then that was a lie, because I don't agree with that. The Tupac album is not better. I don't think that none of Tupac's albums are better than Biggie's.
I used to mess with Pac like right up until "Juice." And then he started flipping on everybody from New York and I was just like ...
Tone Boots: I feel the opposite — my problem wasn't him dissing New York, I just didn't like the songs he made before he got with Death Row, with the exception of joints like "Dear Mama" and "So Many Tears." I think he made corny records before that. He was an OK rapper and the sales proved it, because he did not go platinum until the controversy swirled around him going to prison and, even more so, after his move to Death Row.
Sway Calloway: With all that controversy surrounding that album, that's when Pac was probably at the peak of his power, 'cause All Eyez is when he first came out of jail, and people were watching to see what he was gonna do after he was back. But by the time of Makaveli, that whole persona with Death Row and Suge ... for someone to come out on wax and attack the biggest artists, like Nas, Jay-Z and Puff, it didn't even matter, even old-school artists like De La Soul, and not care ... Not to mention the music, the tracks were ridiculous. I do definitely think Makaveli should be on this top 10.
Dukes: I want to back up my claim before everyone jumps down my throat. My thing with him was that he was contradicting himself. And you know everybody is talking about Nas and how he contradicts himself. And you know I used to listen to Tupac and he was always on the pro-black thing and he had a lot of messages and I'm not saying he didn't have anything later in his raps. You know, how are you going to go pro-black to like ...
Sway: He grew up. His life changed, he changed, he was shot.
Bridget Bland: You can't discredit it. Just because he is contradictory, I don't think that can discredit his talent.
Tone Boots: All I'm saying is he came off as a hater to me.
Dukes: Exactly, that's what I'm saying.
(Everybody starts yelling.)
source: http://www.mtv.com
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To me it sounds like Tone Boots is a hater !
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Sway is a Cali man, so of course his backing 'Pac. But they sound like some NY haters, Makaveli I feel was better than Life After Death. Anyways, we'll see what others think.
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If Ready To Die was a classic, then Me Against The World was too. IMO, that was his best album next to Makaveli which was undeniably a classic.
All Eyes On Me was not a classic but it had the public captivated so I can see why some consider it one. Life After Death was NO CLASSIC! There was alot of garbage on that album. It wouldve been much better as a single disk. Bad Boy was just trying to follow suit.
Ax
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i dont completely disagree. 2pac seemed (from listening to his music) like he had surrounded himself with too much negativity. i understand the i-dont-give-a-fuck attitude but....ehhhh fuck it!
peace
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Their view's are 100% True. Pac WAS a hater. When someone like 50, Benzino or Yukmouth disses all these people, they get called Haters. When Pac did it, he was riding for the Coast... No! Pac was a hater.
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Their view's are 100% True. Pac WAS a hater. When someone like 50, Benzino or Yukmouth disses all these people, they get called Haters. When Pac did it, he was riding for the Coast... No! Pac was a hater.
I see your point, and I guess that's why people either loved him or hated him... before Deathrow, he got more HATE then love from the industry because he just didnt know when to shutup. For me, in the 90's when I was really into hip hop, 2Pac (before Deathrow) was the shit because only someone with huge balls or mentally psychotic would talk so much shit about people and still be in the streets. Yea, his antics were commonly classified as str8 haterism back then, but the fact that he didnt hide from anyone, didnt have no money and simply didnt give a fuck was what made his music attactive. I didnt look at it as haterism, he was broke, and I loved it because finally someone was on some real rock and roll shit. I always got into underdogs, and thats what he was back then...
Now as time went on and he made it big with Deathrow... I kinda started to buy into the haterism thing.
Ax
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Pac never really dissed other rappers until he had Suge in his corner. Pac struck me as a hater and a weenie at times. I always wonder: Without Suge, would Pac have had the balls to diss everyone he did?
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i have no idea why recently peeps seem 2 be dissing pac, and yo ME AGAINST THE WORLD is a top 10, everybody forgets to mention that one cuz it was before he was really on top but if anything this masterpiece defines pac. his contradicting persona was what made him so interesting anyway.
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that albums shouldve been in the top 10. They just hatin on pac. I think the thing is why so many people loved him, is because he was REAL. He just had something special. He wasnt a fake ass G like fifty. Dissin al these people and then have a ton of security. He was always keepin it real. And he actually had something to say. Songs like white manz world, dear mamma, brenda's got a baby, i aint mad at cha, changes and a lot more, actually had a deeper meaning. And a political message.
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Pac never really dissed other rappers until he had Suge in his corner. Pac struck me as a hater and a weenie at times. I always wonder: Without Suge, would Pac have had the balls to diss everyone he did?
Pac may not have been name dropping on wax, like he was on The Row (which could be viewed as more of a publicity stunt then real anyway) but we all know that he had enemies and rubbed alot of industry folks the wrong way. If anything, he was the one being hated on because he has a "so called" big mouth, so people who didnt have any real reason to dislike him, did.
He lived what he rapped and rapped about what he lived. Others hated on him (not the other way around) because he had the balls to say what others wouldnt.
Ax
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Im skeptical on Pac. He was a "Revolutionary" type pre-Deathrow. He became this hardened Thug virtually over night with Suge in his corner. Pac tried gang bangin' and it got it him killed, he was NOT a G.
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tupac was the shit mayne..
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Im skeptical on Pac. He was a "Revolutionary" type pre-Deathrow. He became this hardened Thug virtually over night with Suge in his corner. Pac tried gang bangin' and it got it him killed, he was NOT a G.
He nevered claimed to be a gangsta. He had no problem with Bloods or Cuzz just as long as "ya had love for thugs." He was never on some P.E. shit exclusively. He was always a street visionary with a concious focus on the black plight. That made him a unique G if anything or according to some people not one at all. Deathrow didnt put the G in him. Being black and growin up in america did. That was his ying and yang and where all of the so called contradictions came from. Pac was a G because he was down. Not because he claimed to be one. Others drew those lines for him... in an attempt to discredit him. Again, he was the one hated on.
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^LMAO,so he wasnt a gangsta rapper???
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^LMAO,so he wasnt a gangsta rapper???
I dont buy into the term Gangsta Rapper or Gangsta Rap. The media created that term \ classification to bring down Westcoast rap. Its a shame that Westcoast rappers accepted this classification and played off it but theres no such thing. Its all hip hop, its all about communicating the struggles... the stories
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Why are people trying to hate on tupac? His beef with Biggie was all real, the media hyped up the whole coast thing, but they both died for the cause. The rappers now just feud to feud, and then its resolved or just goes away. There's nobody like tupac, he had more heart than most rappers now combined. Just look at the impact he had on all of you. Talking about "pre deathrow and during deathrow" , you need to remember that he wasnt even on deathrow for a year, and only a big visible rap figure for about 5 years before that. Very short span, very big impact. This guy has material to last years obviously, it took elvis and others like that a lot longer.....just try to remember that is all i mean. dont buy into these new rappers, they arent the same. tupac was the first real star of rap.
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I dont buy into the term Gangsta Rapper or Gangsta Rap. The media created that term \ classification to bring down Westcoast rap. Its a shame that Westcoast rappers accepted this classification and played off it but theres no such thing. Its all hip hop, its all about communicating the struggles... the stories
[size=08pt]I can tell the way you word things so intelligently that you know your shit, factually. I agree with what you have to say about 'Pac. I believe that Biggie was a great artist, but he could not convey the level of emotion or realness that 2Pac did. People can say & think whatever they want about him, cuz it all boils down to personal taste and/or opinion, but he even went on record to say that he was never a "gangsta rapper". I saw 'Pac as a conscious minded street revolutionary who was trying to make people aware & dropped knowledge whenever he felt right. Try and point out a rapper today that has 'Pac's passion or ability to rely his pain & struggle...even Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Common, Scarface, Nas & Biggie are missing that spark that 2Pac possessed. And I don't mean to sound like I'm on 'Pac's nuts just because I'm from the West..keep in mind, 2Pac was born in Brooklyn and his first rap name was "MC New York". I just honestly felt & related to what the man had to say and I want to clear up as many misconceptions as possible, cuz his legacy really meant something if you delve deep into it. That's just my 2 cents - Peace*[/size]
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Wait... Did Pac not hit up the dude who jacked his boys chain by asking where he was from? If I understand correctly, thats what he did. SO... That leads me to believe he was trying to lead a life that was NOT his. He was merely a puppet for those who surrounded him.
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2Pac was not a hater...he was mad at biggie because he sappostly didn't know who shot him in new york...and when pac was in jail biggie blew up and was actin like a don and biggie still didn't know who shot him that's when the beef started
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a lot of people came at 2Pac and also talked shit behind his back, what do you want him to do?
I don't think he was a hater, he hated on his haters, in my opinion, he won every battle,
he dissed so many big time fags so good, an when I hear 'em its funny cuz I know that
forever they will alwayz know that they got bitched on tracks by a West Coast legend
no way putting Biggie's 2 albums over 1 2Pac, fuck nah, some real East Coast haters for sure
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Pac went on a tirade dissing everyone from Mobb Deep to Nas to Jay to De La to the Fugees. This dude had a Napolean Complex.
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Sway is a Cali man, so of course his backing 'Pac. But they sound like some NY haters, Makaveli I feel was better than Life After Death. Anyways, we'll see what others think.
Makaveli was wayyyyyyyyyy betttttttttter than Life After Death! That album had so much filler and it is one of the most overrated albums of all time.
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GROW UP!!!! This is about music to me 2pac is the g.o.a.t because of the power, meaning and talent he displayed in his music.
youve got sgv and others knocking pac because he wasnt a "gangbanger" who cares, are you a gangbanger sgv?? fuck i dont get caught up to much with beefs or how a rapper acted or shit like that I follow rap because of the MUSIC.
Grow the fuck up to everyone dissing pac because you felt he wasnt a g.
a lot of peole looked very dumb in this thread
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in the media 2Pac was something like the 50 cent of his day... poster boy thug
blown up off the hype when he came out of jail.. he wasn't a huge factor before death row.. but he was a factor.. he was the 'next' ice cube IMO well he was a better actor.. but he was the next rapper with a righteous streak to come up. he was doing really well in the movie arena
but.. Pac was in the media every week poppin shots at someone for what seemed a senseless reason especially since the flipside of his character showed intelligence.. but that wasnt shown.. the fights, the beef and the court cases were what sold papers. because of the media in many people eyes pac was a convicted rapist and a wreckless child killer
pac and snoop and his murder trial put more and more negative focus was on death row.. the machine worked well back then to exploit it.. death row used dre and snoop to blow up all eyez on me.. cali love was huge.. its known his albums weren't aclaimed in the media. its sad some people cant put the "he's dead therefore he's the GOAT you cant deny it or you're dissing a dead man" mentality out of their minds and weigh up the facts.. all eyez on me has some awful songs, but some awesome ones.. so does ready to die.. i'd really like to know how many pac fans have actually _properly_ listened to biggie without red mist clouding their vision.. overall ready to die _is_ more solid.. so was biggies double.. its a better album than all eyez.. (pac fans.. the sales show that.. ) 7 day theory is hard to place.. its a short solid album.. and a movement towards songs like were on 'still i rise' which i rate really highly too.. they undoubtedly have material from the same sessions. he was moving back towards a progression of the music he used to make before all eyez on me
_i_ believe its like has been said sometimes.. pac wasnt a hater.. he was playing the game.. it was all business.. all a way to maintain.. the "ride with us or collide with us" mentallity _still_ pervails at death row.. he never had that before.. he never stood out that much before.. he played up the cameras when he got that team behind him.. you can see how hyped he was sometimes.. how much energy it gave him.. people like those in this article say the bishop character consumed him.. i think that was a shield and a tool against the media and his rivals.. before that he was a much more laid back
i'm a fan of pac, but 'new' 2pac fans make pac out to be something he wasnt when he was alive they jiggle the figures to make things look like things were very different
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I guess if I was shot 5 times, and knew who did it, I'd be a hater too. I'd put everyone on blast just like Pac did.
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^^real talk like i said alot of people i respect sounded very dumb in this thread
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i think pac was gang afilliated cuz he was always yelling MOB, that stands for member of bloods. i know he found a new meaning for it but to me it was clearly a gang thing.
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^^thats true i guess whenever i hear mob, the truth is i think about "money over bitches"
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LOL @ Me hating him cuz he wasn't a G. No! The fact that OTHERS call him a G is funnystle. The fact that he TRIED to portray the image of G is funnystyle. Tell me... How can he be a Blood when he didn't come here until he was like 17!? And shit... He didn't move down to L.A. until later in his career. Pac made good music, but that was it. It was GOOD. Nothing more.
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I guess if I was shot 5 times, and knew who did it, I'd be a hater too. I'd put everyone on blast just like Pac did.
Absolutely!
Playing devils advocate, I do think that he took it farther then with those legitimately connected to the shooting. As SGV pointed out he started dissin everyone for simply speakin their mind on what was going on between he and Biggie. I didnt necessarily agree but I cant say that I didnt love it. He created some classic diss's durning those times. "Chino XL... fuck you too!!!" hahaha...
Ax
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Chino still ate him up.
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Well, if you got shot 5 times, your homie turned his back on you, and were sent to prison for a crime you didnt commit, you might be just a little upset also and come across as a hater.
Jesus, people really dont think before they post.
Fuck yea Pac came off as a hater, and he had every right to do so. And besides, with the release of AEOM, he officially became the biggest rapper in the industry, so he could pretty much do whatever he wanted anyway. Who was gonna stop him??
7 Day Theory >> either of Biggies albums
and Chino did NOT eat Pac up. Only reason Chino dissed him is because Pac was the biggest rapper in the world, and Chino was a nobody. He figured that by dissing the biggest rapper, he could garner some fame. And it appears it didnt work too well. Where is Chino today?? Still selling tin foil.
And as someone said before Pac never claimed to be a gangster, but there is no doubt he was the realest rapper ever. What other black man in America could shot cops AND get away with it scot free?? Hahahaha, I remember when that shit happend. Pac's street credibility went out the roof.
Tone sounds like he still made 8 years later because Pac dissed his hero......looks like the Biggie fans are still catchin feelin's lol.
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Who was gonna stop him??
Orlando Anderson did a pretty good job of stopping him.
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Who was gonna stop him??
Orlando Anderson did a pretty good job of stopping him.
that was unrelated to the east/west war though.
and look where that got him anyway.......he dead 2 years later. Karma.
and he stopped Pac only in the physical form. Years later, his albums are still going #1 and his legacy just as strong as ever. The only fame Orlando Anderson will ever have is being a possible suspect in Pac's murder.
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^ have? he didnt last long after either..
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Who was gonna stop him??
Orlando Anderson did a pretty good job of stopping him.
that was unrelated to the east/west war though.
and look where that got him anyway.......he dead 2 years later. Karma.
and he stopped Pac only in the physical form. Years later, his albums are still going #1 and his legacy just as strong as ever. The only fame Orlando Anderson will ever have is being a possible suspect in Pac's murder.
True. Even when he's dead, he's still cocky and a loud mouth. lol
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A loud mouth, yes.....cocky, not really. Jay Z is very cocky.
Im a loud mouth too though (not afraid to admit it), and ive had people tell me that im too outspoken. But thats how I was raised.....
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Chino NEVER dissed Pac! He used Pac in a Similie, like he uses damn near every person out here. Pac just got a little hurt over it. LOL. All in all, even though Chino sells very little, he's not promoted like a 50 Cent or Nelly. Not even like a Beanie Sigel or Styles P. His sales are bound to be smaller than the usual rapper because he doens't have the Machine behind him.
And when Poison Pen drops, it WILL be one of the most talked about albums of the Year, believe that.
Pac was FAR from the realest. He was a an Acting School attending kid from Baltimore who went by the Moniker MC New York, did the Humpty Dance in a Thong and then got shot for trying to hit up a random Gangsta.
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To me it sounds like Tone Boots is a hater !
took the words right out my mouth !!
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Pac was FAR from the realest. He was a an Acting School attending kid from Baltimore who went by the Moniker MC New York, did the Humpty Dance in a Thong and then got shot for trying to hit up a random Gangsta.
Getting shot 5 times and living to tell about it is REAL.
Being in the penetentiary before you've even taken your first step is REAL.
Being the son of a black Panther and crack addict is REAL.
Shooting the cops to protect another black in America AND getting away with it is REAL.
Being sent to prison for a crime you didnt commit is REAL.
Growing up with NOTHING but the clothes on your back and your talent to become the biggest musical icon of the last 15 years is REAL.
Honestly, none of us here can claim what is real and what isnt, because we aint been through the HALF of what Pac went through in his 25 years. Dude was a straight soulja to the fullest.
I hate these people that try to use him being part of digital undeground and being a dancer to discredit him. Fuck outta here with that shit.
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Getting shot 5 times and living to tell about it is REAL.
Being in the penetentiary before you've even taken your first step is REAL.
Being the son of a black Panther and crack addict is REAL.
REAL?
he didn't do a single thing in any of those.. thats just circumstance..
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Getting shot 5 times and living to tell about it is REAL.
Being in the penetentiary before you've even taken your first step is REAL.
Being the son of a black Panther and crack addict is REAL.
REAL?
he didn't do a single thing in any of those.. thats just circumstance..
Irrelevent.
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Getting shot 5 times and living to tell about it is REAL. <---- The Kids who got shot at Columbine are they real?
Being in the penetentiary before you've even taken your first step is REAL. <---- LMAO @ This. Being in your moms stomach while SHE'S in jail ain't real.
Being the son of a black Panther and crack addict is REAL. <---- No! Just means you were raised fucked up.
Shooting the cops to protect another black in America AND getting away with it is REAL. <---- That was being a smart criminal. Shooting someone is still pussy shit.
Being sent to prison for a crime you didnt commit is REAL. <---- Thats have bad lawyers. Again, stupidity.
Growing up with NOTHING but the clothes on your back and your talent to become the biggest musical icon of the last 15 years is REAL. <---- He wasn't shit til he died. And the whole "Something from Nothing" is played.
Honestly, none of us here can claim what is real and what isnt, because we aint been through the HALF of what Pac went through in his 25 years. Dude was a straight soulja to the fullest.
I hate these people that try to use him being part of digital undeground and being a dancer to discredit him. Fuck outta here with that shit.
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I just realized who this convo is with! Mr. Pac's-One-Ball-Is-Still-Stuck-In-My-Ass himself. Ain't no use in trying to even BEGIN a convo about Pac with this kid.
"A nigga wit One Ball shouldn't speak!"
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Getting shot 5 times and living to tell about it is REAL. <---- The Kids who got shot at Columbine are they real?
Being in the penetentiary before you've even taken your first step is REAL. <---- LMAO @ This. Being in your moms stomach while SHE'S in jail ain't real.
Being the son of a black Panther and crack addict is REAL. <---- No! Just means you were raised fucked up.
Shooting the cops to protect another black in America AND getting away with it is REAL. <---- That was being a smart criminal. Shooting someone is still pussy shit.
Being sent to prison for a crime you didnt commit is REAL. <---- Thats have bad lawyers. Again, stupidity.
Growing up with NOTHING but the clothes on your back and your talent to become the biggest musical icon of the last 15 years is REAL. <---- He wasn't shit til he died. And the whole "Something from Nothing" is played.
Honestly, none of us here can claim what is real and what isnt, because we aint been through the HALF of what Pac went through in his 25 years. Dude was a straight soulja to the fullest.
I hate these people that try to use him being part of digital undeground and being a dancer to discredit him. Fuck outta here with that shit.
The kids in Columbine didnt live to tell about it.
Thats because your mom wasnt in prison when she was pregnant with you. You aint been through shit before, so of course it aint real to you. I aint been through it either, but imagaine your moms telling you that was in jail before you even took your first step....that right there set the tone for how his life was gonna be.
No, its a little more than just being "raised fucked up". He was a target from day 1, and was harassed at his school by the feds because of who he was: the son of a black activist. Me and you have never been harassed because of our political beliefs or because we were the son of someone in a political party that many thought was dangerous. Just imagine sitting in your class at grade school then cops coming in and asking questions to you about your mother and harassing you, all because of who you are.
That isnt bad lawyers. It was pretty much proven the judge had it out for him, and the woman who accused him kept changing her story and even admitted to having consesual sex with him a few nights earlier.....
He wasnt shit till he was dead?? Might I remind that he had two #1 albums before he died, and All Eyez On Me sold 6 million BEFORE his death. He was already the biggest rapper in the world at that point. Him dying just helped solidfy it even more, whether he died or not made little difference. From All Eyez on Me on up, he was gonna debut #1 everytime out and go mulit-platinum. If you even try to say otherwise, you either werent listening to rap in 96' to see how dominant he was, or are just straight up in denial.
You lose. If you gonna debate with me, you might want to come prepared next time. Otherwise, you gonna be sonned everytime.
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Pac was FAR from the realest. He was a an Acting School attending kid from Baltimore who went by the Moniker MC New York, did the Humpty Dance in a Thong and then got shot for trying to hit up a random Gangsta.
Getting shot 5 times and living to tell about it is REAL.
Being in the penetentiary before you've even taken your first step is REAL.
Being the son of a black Panther and crack addict is REAL.
Shooting the cops to protect another black in America AND getting away with it is REAL.
Being sent to prison for a crime you didnt commit is REAL.
Growing up with NOTHING but the clothes on your back and your talent to become the biggest musical icon of the last 15 years is REAL.
Honestly, none of us here can claim what is real and what isnt, because we aint been through the HALF of what Pac went through in his 25 years. Dude was a straight soulja to the fullest.
I hate these people that try to use him being part of digital undeground and being a dancer to discredit him. Fuck outta here with that shit.
Yes!!!
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I just realized who this convo is with! Mr. Pac's-One-Ball-Is-Still-Stuck-In-My-Ass himself. Ain't no use in trying to even BEGIN a convo about Pac with this kid.
"A nigga wit One Ball shouldn't speak!"
No, there isnt, because ill fucking herb your sorry ass each and every time. Fuck outta here homo.
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The kids in Columbine didnt live to tell about it.
Thats because your mom wasnt in prison when she was pregnant with you. You aint been through shit before, so of course it aint real to you. I aint been through it either, but imagaine your moms telling you that was in jail before you even took your first step....that right there set the tone for how his life was gonna be.
He was a target from day 1, and was harassed at his school by the feds because of who he was: the son of a black activist. Me and you have never been harassed because of our political beliefs or because we were the son of someone in a political party that many thought was dangerous.
That isnt bad lawyers. It was pretty much proven the judge had it out for him, and the woman who accused him kept changing her story and even admitted to having consesual sex with him a few nights earlier.....
He wasnt shit till he was dead?? Might I remind that he had two #1 albums before he died, and All Eyez On Me sold 6 million BEFORE his death. He was already the biggest rapper in the world at that point. Him dying just helped solidfy it even more, whether he died or not made little difference. From All Eyez on Me on up, he was gonna debut #1 everytime out and go mulit-platinum. If you even try to say otherwise, you either werent listening to rap in 96' or are just straight up in denial.
You lose. If you gonna debate with me, you might want to come prepared next time. Otherwise, you gonna be sonned everytime.
No kids who got shot at Columbine lived? Uh...
I almost died when I was born, that didn't change nothing because I didn't realize what happened until I was older. The same can be said for Pac. I highly doubt he understood what had happened until he was 7 or 8. THAT IS NOT REAL. That is PURE coincidence.
My moms had Rifles at her head, had Foreign Governments raiding her house regularly, her Father Incarcerated for Political Reasons for 4 years, as well as 100s of other Politically-Related incidents all by the time she was 8. After ALL that, I still don't think she's realer than anyone else. Pac's little story ain't SHIT compared to that, as this was in 1940s/50s Honduras.
If she admitted all that, his lawyer should've got him off, but he didn't. Case of bad lawyers.
Pac may have sold a lot of records with All Eyez On Me, but that doesn't mean he was an Icon. Thats like saying if 50 had died 9 months after Get Rich Or Die Trying had sold through the roof he'd be an Icon. After his DEATH he was gonna debut #1... Thats about it.
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The kids in Columbine didnt live to tell about it.
Thats because your mom wasnt in prison when she was pregnant with you. You aint been through shit before, so of course it aint real to you. I aint been through it either, but imagaine your moms telling you that was in jail before you even took your first step....that right there set the tone for how his life was gonna be.
He was a target from day 1, and was harassed at his school by the feds because of who he was: the son of a black activist. Me and you have never been harassed because of our political beliefs or because we were the son of someone in a political party that many thought was dangerous.
That isnt bad lawyers. It was pretty much proven the judge had it out for him, and the woman who accused him kept changing her story and even admitted to having consesual sex with him a few nights earlier.....
He wasnt shit till he was dead?? Might I remind that he had two #1 albums before he died, and All Eyez On Me sold 6 million BEFORE his death. He was already the biggest rapper in the world at that point. Him dying just helped solidfy it even more, whether he died or not made little difference. From All Eyez on Me on up, he was gonna debut #1 everytime out and go mulit-platinum. If you even try to say otherwise, you either werent listening to rap in 96' or are just straight up in denial.
You lose. If you gonna debate with me, you might want to come prepared next time. Otherwise, you gonna be sonned everytime.
No kids who got shot at Columbine lived? Uh...
I almost died when I was born, that didn't change nothing because I didn't realize what happened until I was older. The same can be said for Pac. I highly doubt he understood what had happened until he was 7 or 8. THAT IS NOT REAL. That is PURE coincidence.
My moms had Rifles at her head, had Foreign Governments raiding her house regularly, her Father Incarcerated for Political Reasons for 4 years, as well as 100s of other Politically-Related incidents all by the time she was 8. After ALL that, I still don't think she's realer than anyone else. Pac's little story ain't SHIT compared to that, as this was in 1940s/50s Honduras.
If she admitted all that, his lawyer should've got him off, but he didn't. Case of bad lawyers.
Pac may have sold a lot of records with All Eyez On Me, but that doesn't mean he was an Icon. Thats like saying if 50 had died 9 months after Get Rich Or Die Trying had sold through the roof he'd be an Icon. After his DEATH he was gonna debut #1... Thats about it.
You try so hard, yet still come up short.
The kids who got shot in Columbine and did live (though from what I remember the survivers was the ones who aint get shot), they experienced something REAL. They gonna remember it for the rest of their lives. Getting shot and living to tell about it isnt something that happens to you everyday.
Yea, he probably was about 7 or 8......but you missed my point completely. It set the tone for how his life was gonna be, because of who he was. He was not a normal person like you or me. He was the son of two Black Panthers. Him being black already gives him lots of disadvantages, but being affiliated with the Panthers makes it even moreso. "Ever since I was a seed the only thing promised to me was the penetentiary". Why you think Pac's music go so much political/social content?? He was raised to have that mentality from day one.
If your mom been through all that shit that you claim, and you dont think that is some real shit, then I feel sorry for you. Where are u from anyway?
Kind of hard to get off when the judge (who is white, I might add) doesnt like you and automatically thinks your guilty because your a black, tattooed rapper with outspoken/controversial views. Plus the fact he'd been in trouble before didnt help matters any, though he was most definatly not at fault in this case.
Before AEOM, he wasnt an icon. Just a rap star. With the release of AEOM, he was MOST DEFINATLY an icon. That album made him into a worldwide superstar and by far the biggest rapper in the world at the time. The difference between 50 and Pac is, Pac already had 3-4 albums under his belt before he became an icon, 50 didnt. And really, there is no comparison.....AEOM is far more celebrated among hip hop heads as being a classic then GRODT ever will be.
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Experienced something real, that doesn't make them real. Experienced is the Key word.
I didn't miss the point. The point it, Pac's MOTHER went through the Realness of Jail (At the time), NOT Pac. Yes, he was a child of Black Panthers, but thats just it, he was the CHILD. He wasn't one. His parents were going through the real shit, Pac was just a Child pretty oblivious to what was surrounding him.
The fact that my mother came to United States on her own when she was 16, knowing little to no English and having a FOREIGN Country High School Education and ACTUALLY surviving, THATS REAL. What happened to her as a Kid was unfortunate, but it didn't make her Real, her becoming something is what made her real.
It still falls on Pac's lawyers. Snoop got off, thanks to good lawyers. He had the same image as Pac, if not worse...
Pac's death catapulted him to Icon status. Thats a fact. He was the IT rapper when he died, which translated into his legions of fans fascinated by his story. All Eyez On Me was just another album with TOO much filler to be considered Classic. Makaveli was a MUCH better record.
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Experienced something real, that doesn't make them real. Experienced is the Key word.
I didn't miss the point. The point it, Pac's MOTHER went through the Realness of Jail (At the time), NOT Pac. Yes, he was a child of Black Panthers, but thats just it, he was the CHILD. He wasn't one. His parents were going through the real shit, Pac was just a Child pretty oblivious to what was surrounding him.
The fact that my mother came to United States on her own when she was 16, knowing little to no English and having a FOREIGN Country High School Education and ACTUALLY surviving, THATS REAL. What happened to her as a Kid was unfortunate, but it didn't make her Real, her becoming something is what made her real.
It still falls on Pac's lawyers. Snoop got off, thanks to good lawyers. He had the same image as Pac, if not worse...
Pac's death catapulted him to Icon status. Thats a fact. He was the IT rapper when he died, which translated into his legions of fans fascinated by his story. All Eyez On Me was just another album with TOO much filler to be considered Classic. Makaveli was a MUCH better record.
Again, you missed the point. Pac being the child of a Black Panther made him as much a target as his mom. Did you watch Tupac Resurrection?? They had to keep relocating because they was always getting harassed.
Your moms is a soulja!!! Like it or not, she is. Anyone who can overcome such a struggle is a soulja. And not just any everyday struggle, but a REAL struggle like that.
Not sure about Snoops image being worse than Pac's......Snoop's case was his first offense as far as I can recall.....Pac had already been in trouble with the law before. Both were hated alot but for different reasons. Snoop was hated because many found his lyrics to be degrading towards women. Pac was hated because his music had alot of violence and hatred towards cops (Snoops did too but not to nearly the same degree as Pac's). Remember, the family of that State trooper that tried to sue Pacs estate because of that kid who killed him while listenin to 2Pacalypse Now. Snoop's case was a murder case but it was proven that it was in self defense. You cant SEXUALLY assualt someone in self defense, lol.
AEOM having alot of filler is a matter of opinion, and a whole nother topic. Fact of the matter is, it IS considered a classic by many and IS the album which took Pac's career to iconic status. Ask anyone what album made Pac into a global star and they will tell you AEOM. I do agree with you about Makaveli being a better album though. Easily Pac's best album IMO and a masterpiece from start to finish, but that is irrelvent to the topic here.
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Ok his UP bringing set the tone for his life, the constant moving etc. But the fact that he was in his mothers womb in Jail is irrelevant. Their life would've been the same regardless. He went through a tough time as a child, many children did, that doesn't make them real though.
My moms is a rider, but not because of what happened with her Father and Brother being politically targeted. She's a rider cuz she taught herself how to be a woman. She taught herself English. Taught herself EVERYTHING there is to know about life in a NEW Country. That was her biggest struggle.
With Snoop's case he had good lawyers who could PROVE that he was in Self Defense. If Pac's lawyers were that good, they could've done the same. Case in point: OJ. All motive pointed to him, but he had great lawyers to disprove all accusations.
All Eyez On Me was his biggest album, but then again, he died a few months later. So of course its gonna be his milestone album. Regardless, I never seen him as an Icon then or now, based off that album.
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Pac was tha man fuck piggie
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Their view's are 100% True. Pac WAS a hater. When someone like 50, Benzino or Yukmouth disses all these people, they get called Haters. When Pac did it, he was riding for the Coast... No! Pac was a hater.
Shit. I don't know why you're trying so hard to discredit Tupac? The fact is he made music millions of people feel, and he still is a big impact on the music industry to this day (e.g. records are still being released, rappers are acting like him). Unlike many artists of today, he put his heart into the music. He had that unique gift where one can actually feel what he's talking about through the music, whether it be anger, sadness or happiness. So when he was angry he dissed a couple of people. People that had, in one way or another, done something to attract that attention. Because of the life he lead, and becaus he made music like this, being outspoken, talking about issues people could relate to and feel, he IS considered the realest of all time by many. The question is why you have such a problem with it??
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Experienced something real, that doesn't make them real. Experienced is the Key word.
I didn't miss the point. The point it, Pac's MOTHER went through the Realness of Jail (At the time), NOT Pac. Yes, he was a child of Black Panthers, but thats just it, he was the CHILD. He wasn't one. His parents were going through the real shit, Pac was just a Child pretty oblivious to what was surrounding him.
The fact that my mother came to United States on her own when she was 16, knowing little to no English and having a FOREIGN Country High School Education and ACTUALLY surviving, THATS REAL. What happened to her as a Kid was unfortunate, but it didn't make her Real, her becoming something is what made her real.
It still falls on Pac's lawyers. Snoop got off, thanks to good lawyers. He had the same image as Pac, if not worse...
Pac's death catapulted him to Icon status. Thats a fact. He was the IT rapper when he died, which translated into his legions of fans fascinated by his story. All Eyez On Me was just another album with TOO much filler to be considered Classic. Makaveli was a MUCH better record.
Again, you missed the point. Pac being the child of a Black Panther made him as much a target as his mom. Did you watch Tupac Resurrection?? They had to keep relocating because they was always getting harassed.
Your moms is a soulja!!! Like it or not, she is. Anyone who can overcome such a struggle is a soulja. And not just any everyday struggle, but a REAL struggle like that.
Not sure about Snoops image being worse than Pac's......Snoop's case was his first offense as far as I can recall.....Pac had already been in trouble with the law before. Both were hated alot but for different reasons. Snoop was hated because many found his lyrics to be degrading towards women. Pac was hated because his music had alot of violence and hatred towards cops (Snoops did too but not to nearly the same degree as Pac's). Remember, the family of that State trooper that tried to sue Pacs estate because of that kid who killed him while listenin to 2Pacalypse Now. Snoop's case was a murder case but it was proven that it was in self defense. You cant SEXUALLY assualt someone in self defense, lol.
AEOM having alot of filler is a matter of opinion, and a whole nother topic. Fact of the matter is, it IS considered a classic by many and IS the album which took Pac's career to iconic status. Ask anyone what album made Pac into a global star and they will tell you AEOM. I do agree with you about Makaveli being a better album though. Easily Pac's best album IMO and a masterpiece from start to finish, but that is irrelvent to the topic here.
i've never seen anyone ride a dick as hard as you do....
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i never seen anyone hate as much as you do.
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Pac was FAR from the realest. He was a an Acting School attending kid from Baltimore who went by the Moniker MC New York, did the Humpty Dance in a Thong and then got shot for trying to hit up a random Gangsta.
firstly, SGV is one funny MF'er. People call him a hater, and I disagree with alot of his opinions, but he backs his point v. well..
anyway, I dont see how him being in an acting school before hand affected him being "the realest" ?
its not like he ever tried to hide his past, sure it can be seen as pretty humorous when compared to his "THUG LIFE" days, but dude always mentioned that when asked about his past and so on...
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Im skeptical on Pac. He was a "Revolutionary" type pre-Deathrow. He became this hardened Thug virtually over night with Suge in his corner. Pac tried gang bangin' and it got it him killed, he was NOT a G.
He nevered claimed to be a gangsta. He had no problem with Bloods or Cuzz just as long as "ya had love for thugs." He was never on some P.E. shit exclusively. He was always a street visionary with a concious focus on the black plight. That made him a unique G if anything or according to some people not one at all. Deathrow didnt put the G in him. Being black and growin up in america did. That was his ying and yang and where all of the so called contradictions came from. Pac was a G because he was down. Not because he claimed to be one. Others drew those lines for him... in an attempt to discredit him. Again, he was the one hated on.
If you're a G you're gonna make that known and 2pac was no G. Yeah I remember dat Bury Me A G bullshit. Alot of niggas have no idea what a G really is. I'm from Compton and niggas shake like hoes when we give our definition of a G. It's like this cuzz...if you ain't puttin' niggas to sleep you ain't a G. Baby Lane was a G. Eazy-E was a G. Tookie was a G. and 2pac wasn't.
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Experienced something real, that doesn't make them real. Experienced is the Key word.
I didn't miss the point. The point it, Pac's MOTHER went through the Realness of Jail (At the time), NOT Pac. Yes, he was a child of Black Panthers, but thats just it, he was the CHILD. He wasn't one. His parents were going through the real shit, Pac was just a Child pretty oblivious to what was surrounding him.
The fact that my mother came to United States on her own when she was 16, knowing little to no English and having a FOREIGN Country High School Education and ACTUALLY surviving, THATS REAL. What happened to her as a Kid was unfortunate, but it didn't make her Real, her becoming something is what made her real.
It still falls on Pac's lawyers. Snoop got off, thanks to good lawyers. He had the same image as Pac, if not worse...
Pac's death catapulted him to Icon status. Thats a fact. He was the IT rapper when he died, which translated into his legions of fans fascinated by his story. All Eyez On Me was just another album with TOO much filler to be considered Classic. Makaveli was a MUCH better record.
Again, you missed the point. Pac being the child of a Black Panther made him as much a target as his mom. Did you watch Tupac Resurrection?? They had to keep relocating because they was always getting harassed.
Your moms is a soulja!!! Like it or not, she is. Anyone who can overcome such a struggle is a soulja. And not just any everyday struggle, but a REAL struggle like that.
Not sure about Snoops image being worse than Pac's......Snoop's case was his first offense as far as I can recall.....Pac had already been in trouble with the law before. Both were hated alot but for different reasons. Snoop was hated because many found his lyrics to be degrading towards women. Pac was hated because his music had alot of violence and hatred towards cops (Snoops did too but not to nearly the same degree as Pac's). Remember, the family of that State trooper that tried to sue Pacs estate because of that kid who killed him while listenin to 2Pacalypse Now. Snoop's case was a murder case but it was proven that it was in self defense. You cant SEXUALLY assualt someone in self defense, lol.
AEOM having alot of filler is a matter of opinion, and a whole nother topic. Fact of the matter is, it IS considered a classic by many and IS the album which took Pac's career to iconic status. Ask anyone what album made Pac into a global star and they will tell you AEOM. I do agree with you about Makaveli being a better album though. Easily Pac's best album IMO and a masterpiece from start to finish, but that is irrelvent to the topic here.
i've never seen anyone ride a dick as hard as you do....
I have.....your mothafuckin momma does.
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Im skeptical on Pac. He was a "Revolutionary" type pre-Deathrow. He became this hardened Thug virtually over night with Suge in his corner. Pac tried gang bangin' and it got it him killed, he was NOT a G.
He nevered claimed to be a gangsta. He had no problem with Bloods or Cuzz just as long as "ya had love for thugs." He was never on some P.E. shit exclusively. He was always a street visionary with a concious focus on the black plight. That made him a unique G if anything or according to some people not one at all. Deathrow didnt put the G in him. Being black and growin up in america did. That was his ying and yang and where all of the so called contradictions came from. Pac was a G because he was down. Not because he claimed to be one. Others drew those lines for him... in an attempt to discredit him. Again, he was the one hated on.
If you're a G you're gonna make that known and 2pac was no G. Yeah I remember dat Bury Me A G bullshit. Alot of niggas have no idea what a G really is. I'm from Compton and niggas shake like hoes when we give our definition of a G. It's like this cuzz...if you ain't puttin' niggas to sleep you ain't a G. Baby Lane was a G. Eazy-E was a G. Tookie was a G. and 2pac wasn't.
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There’s enough violence in this world big homie. C'mon now, dont be shallow... Dig a little bit deeper for the answer bro...
I'll stick with the simpler more general definition of “one who is down.” That G can stand for whatever you want ... but in reality it doesn’t have to be negative or involve violence nore does it ultimately mean that you’re "putting someone to sleep."
Thats just shallow Mr. Compton G.
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it is what it is nigga!!! dont twist dat shit. it's like sayin' bad is good or white is blacc. A G is a G nigga!. Aint no two ways about it. The G stands for Gangsta, not "he who is down" bullshit. A gangsta = gangster = criminal = killa, slanga, jacca, and gangbanga!. Dat's a G nigga!!!. Don't call niggas Gz if they ain't doin' dirt. I never met a G who ain't doin' gangsta shit. Stop usin the G letter if u don't have a fuccin clue what it is. I ain't hatin' nigga. I'm from the street and when some internet muthafuccas twist shit up its got to be burned down. It's real nigga.
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I understand why Tone Boots is saying, but yo first off big shoutout goes to Sway def. with him, suppoorting Pac! man just let Pac RiP and stop all this nonsense about he was a hater, he was crazy etc...
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Tone Boots is a dumbfuck. He dosent know what he's talkin about...just another nyc dickridin homo.
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Tone Boots is a lameass. He has nothing better to do than to diss Pac, a man who has been dead for 8 years and who can't defend himself? Get the fuck outta here with that gay shit. Fuck Tone Boots
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East Coast point of view (propz to Sway he gives the west propz)
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The fact that people like SGV is arguing that 2Pac is overrated and shit, 8 YEARS AFTEr HIS DEATH, shows that his an icon. No one, I mean no rapper ever, has had people 8 years after his death waste their energy to prove 'Pac was not the man.
If 'Pac was real of not, he said he doesn't want to be remembered as the greatest, just the realest. His life was in Baltimore, during the Reaganomic era. Baltimore at the time was one of the top 5 crime centers of the nation, and 'Pac basically lived a fucked up life. He spent some time at a performing arts school, which any parent bringing their kid up in a place where they had no decent school system, would do. His early work was true to who he was. Political, controversial, and someone that if he had died in 1995, SGV would be saying is the most underrated rapper ever. Then something happened, in 1994 2Pac was shoot, and the game ended. Still the message of up lifting black people, the politics and the ghetto stories remained, but also entered was the disses to those he felt were his enemied. 'Pac felt his life ending soon, so he worked hard, and was crazy. The man flipped, and it was said he knew he was dying soon. So when a dog is backed into a corner, the bit, and that's what 'Pac did. He was running off of human instinct. Why else would 25 year old join a gang, diss anyone who even comes close to dissing him and live a reckless life. He knew he was going to die, so he made some classics and let the rest take care of it's self. What you think is what you think. Before 1995 2Pac would be considered the most underrated talent in rap music, after his last days pushed him into icon status and makes an argument for the greatest rapper ever. Some in the east still hate him, most everyone in the west loves him. Hate him or love him, the underdog will always be on top of most Hip-Hop heads list.
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Tsk tsk, don't assume things, you make an ass out of you and me.
The fact that he's called an Icon by people like yourself and Sneaker Pimp is the ONLY reason I argue that he is NOT one. If no one brought it up, it would never cross my mind. And the fact that I had only liked VARIOUS Tupac songs throughout his career, I HIGHLY doubt I'd be calling him Underrated in anyway.
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LOL... I think you would.
Anyways, it's 8 years later, his dead, no one can bring him back, his the highest selling artist of all time, he died at the top, and his peak was larger than any other artist, and right as he died his darkest and maybe best CD (I stil think Me Against the World) was released. He left people wanting more. Other artist have came since 96 and sold millions, DMX, Ja Rule, Ma$e, Kurupt (solo), Xzibit (commercially), the Lox, 50 Cent, Eminem, but at the end of the day, 'Pac died on album number 5, and his career was just barely reaching it's peak. Rearly is their an artist that on their 5th album you think, damn this cat keeps getting better. Biggie, 2 albums, same effect, but only after 2. At 2 'Pac was barely getting started.
I have a question, what songs do you like from 'Pac. I want to get an idea of what you like, 'cause I know you like Cypress Hill, most Latin Rap, and if you ever come to the I.E. again and stop by my house again, you should see my Cypress Hill collection... lol Anyways, I still think 'Pac is the best rapper ever, even though I will listen to Immortal Technique over Snoop, I ain't even bought the new 50 Cent and Game is cool to me but I mean it is what it is. So it seems we agree on what we like in rap music, so what you like from 'Pac?
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^^^I couldnt have said it better myself.
When Pac died, he was in his prime (or close to it) and he recorded an instant classic in 7 Day Theory. The scary thing is, dude was getting better with almost every album, and if that trend continued (and it most likely would have, since he was only 25) what would have came after 7 Day Theory?? The next album would have been MIND SHATTERING. Dude was basically one album away from shutting down the entire industry.
And Pac's iconic status shouldnt even be questioned......they got more books being written on him than any other artist, dudes albums still top the charts nearly a decade after his death, his older classic albums still sell by the bucketloads, he remains the highest selling and most celebrated hip hop artist of all time, and they even got college courses studying his lyrics, poetry, and impact on society.
I think people here hatin on him just for the sake of going against popular opinion to be different......sometimes being different is cool. Not in this case.
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Pac will always be the greatest imo.
When Pac spoke, people listened. He was an inspiration to many, he had a cause, like, he was a man of the people. He always wanted to help get the black communities into a better situation. He cared.
His death was a result of growing up in the situation that he did.
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he was NOT a G.
*bumps Bury Me A G*
im not saying he was or wasnt a gangsta, but he claimed to be.
peace
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Tsk tsk, don't assume things, you make an ass out of you and me.
The fact that he's called an Icon by people like yourself and Sneaker Pimp is the ONLY reason I argue that he is NOT one. If no one brought it up, it would never cross my mind. And the fact that I had only liked VARIOUS Tupac songs throughout his career, I HIGHLY doubt I'd be calling him Underrated in anyway.
Despite what you say, pac is an icon to milions of people. You cant change the fact that milions of people all over the world think of him as the GOAT. And its just reality. You are one of the few people that think about it that way. Hes still pushing major units. People love him and give him respect all over the world.You can talk about this forever to prove your opinion, but your never gonna win it. Hes an icon of an generation. He now belongs in the same league as: Bob Marley, Elvis, Jimmy Hendrix, John Lennon and so on. And whatever you do you never gonna change that. Its just your opinion versus milions of people. So get over the fact that most people consider him as the GOAT.
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LOL... I think you would.
Anyways, it's 8 years later, his dead, no one can bring him back, his the highest selling artist of all time, he died at the top, and his peak was larger than any other artist, and right as he died his darkest and maybe best CD (I stil think Me Against the World) was released. He left people wanting more. Other artist have came since 96 and sold millions, DMX, Ja Rule, Ma$e, Kurupt (solo), Xzibit (commercially), the Lox, 50 Cent, Eminem, but at the end of the day, 'Pac died on album number 5, and his career was just barely reaching it's peak. Rearly is their an artist that on their 5th album you think, damn this cat keeps getting better. Biggie, 2 albums, same effect, but only after 2. At 2 'Pac was barely getting started.
I have a question, what songs do you like from 'Pac. I want to get an idea of what you like, 'cause I know you like Cypress Hill, most Latin Rap, and if you ever come to the I.E. again and stop by my house again, you should see my Cypress Hill collection... lol Anyways, I still think 'Pac is the best rapper ever, even though I will listen to Immortal Technique over Snoop, I ain't even bought the new 50 Cent and Game is cool to me but I mean it is what it is. So it seems we agree on what we like in rap music, so what you like from 'Pac?
Like I said, don't assume things.
Ambitionz Az a Ridah
All Bout U
2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted
Only God Can Judge Me
Tradin War Stories
California Love (RMX)
Can't C Me
Picture Me Rollin'
Ratha Be Ya Nigga
All Eyez on Me
Run tha Streetz
Ain't Hard 2 Find
Bomb First
Hail Mary
Toss It Up
Life of an Outlaw
Just Like Daddy
Krazy
White Man'z World
Me and My Girldfriend
Trapped
Troublesome 96'
I Get Around - Digital Underground
How Long Will They Mourn Me?
I only liked a handful of early Pac tracks. So yea... How could I call him underrated if I like 1/40 of his catalog pre-Deathrow? And yes, he is a high selling artist, but thats because he picked up A LOT of fans AFTER he died. A lot of his fans don't know shit before "California Love" nowadays.
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Now-a-days, new kids forget Coolio was a commercial rapper with number singles, Bone was huge, and 2Pac blew up with Dear Mama, So Many Tears I Get Around and Keep Your Head Up. Also kids today forget that real groups like Cypress Hill and De La Soul were platnum and at one time Kurupts lyrics could go songs without mentioning the word bitch... lol.
Anyways, what kids think now, I don't let effect what I think. I mean, if every kid now thinks Kanye West is the shit, good for them, I like Kanye too. If they start think Immortal Technique is tight, would you start hating. Myself, hell no. They like Eminem, I ain't gotta like Eminem. I at one time liked Eminem, but his ass is a disappointment to me, as if I was expecting something different. I bought Xzibit's Weapon's of Mass Distruction the day it came out, got the DVD and everything, and I was saying how it was a solid 4 mics. Later on, after the coast was clear and it was slept on, then you listened and praised Xzibit. I just noticed things. The songs you listed were released right as 'Pac died. So I asked you, if people were claiming how much better Biggie was than 'Pac, and 'Pac didn't have the cult following he does, and your last memories of 'Pac were All Eyez On Me and Makaveli, which you seemed to enjoy those CDs, would you just everyone hate on 'Pac and let everyone give it up to Biggie and Puffy, especially after Puffy went pop, or would you feel the need to defend a westcoast artist?
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:-X really guys...let them r.i.p doesn't matter what someone think about them..they were BOTH good artists it doesn't matter who was the best or if pac was better than biggie FORGET IT!! Damn, there are so many and we still argue on them let those guys r.i.p :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
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Pac's early work is so slept on by too many people.....
2Pacalypse Now and Strictly 4 My NIGGAZ are near classics to me. Lots of classic Pac gems on those albums.
I notice there seems to be two kinds of Pac fans:
The ones who like his early work, but dislike his Death Row work because they thought he became too commercial and/or too much of a hater of the east coast (which I dont find true at all).
The ones who hate his early work just because it wasnt as successful and only listen to his Death Row work.
I personally have an appreciation for both eras in his career, and unlike most Pac fans today who got into him because of AEOM, I knew Pac was the shit BEFORE he joined Death Row.
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pac was a joke 8)
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pac was a joke 8)
your mom 2 8)
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I dun get y ppl discredit him because he attended some dance/acting school when he was a kid. Ppl noticed his talent at a young age, n he prolly went there on a scholarship. Dumb mofo's........real folk dun stay in the ghetto...........they try to get out! That dun make u a sellout or a fake.