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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: I TO DA GEEZY on March 29, 2002, 06:57:29 AM
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most deffenetly two of tha best recordz to ever come out of tha east coast (hit tha top 5 of tha "best of tha east", fa sho)....both were quite influensial altho din"t really recieve mainstream sucsess(which tha west coast influensial piecez of their time did recieve)...
which one out of tha two you like better...and why?.....explain yo choice....
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illmatic, theres 2 many skits on 36 chambers, i think that hurt tha flow of tha album
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36 chambers no doubt... i dobnt even consider illmatc as a 5/5 album... maby 4.5/5 or sumthin
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36 chambers, I'm just feelin the beats more, plus this is also some TIGHT ass lyrics on the album and they got a lot of people rappin' on it, but no doubt illmatic is tight as fuck but i'd say 36 chambers is better
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36 chambers no doubt... i dobnt even consider illmatc as a 5/5 album... maby 4.5/5 or sumthin
Word, thats exactly how i feel...
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I love Illmatic. Amazin shit
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Illmatic 4 sure i love this album. It's a bit hard to compare the 2 anyway cause ones a group and ones a solo joint. But i definatly gotta go with Illmatic.
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Illmatic...This album was a showcase of skillz and mic mastery that was an intro to what we all know as Nas.
We all know the first album is always the one people remember u from, and this lp is deff on of the tightest debuts of all time.
"36 chamber's" was tight as fucc, but to me it was more of a compilation than a group lp....there was way to many voices on that peice (which made wu-like WHoooa!!!) but in the long run, I'll have to choose Illmatic as my pick.
In my opinion Wu has always been a comp as opposed to a group....I don't know why but I always say it that way...lol
Hatesrats 2oo2
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as i said both were amazing and classic albumz...logiclly thinkin i would have to make it a tie...but there r times i"m feeling ILLMATIC mo...and on tha otha hand sometimez i"m feeling 36 chambers mo....so for me it"z very hard to decide whaz better(after all these r two of my faves)...dat"z why i aksed yall..to see how many of yAll have this delema....
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illmatic
better lyrics and yes better production
nothing against rza but he's the most overrated producer in all of music
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nothing against rza but he's the most overrated producer in all of music
WHAT??..nah.. tell me you didnt said that to one of eastcoasts best producer ...EVER
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yup i did
it shocked me too when i really started studying music but there's ALOT of producers that are adored in the hip hop world that are literally overrated and not as talented as you'd think
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ok.. why dont you tell me why he's overrated :-/
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yup i did
it shocked me too when i really started studying music but there's ALOT of producers that are adored in the hip hop world that are literally overrated and not as talented as you'd think
Like who?
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ok literally RZA half the time just sits there and plays random notes. you can tell by looking at the tablitures for most of his songs, also everytime i've seen him in the studio it's almost a joke how he comes up with a beat. sometimes yes he does come up with a good thorough beat i won't take that away from him , but that's every now and then i can see his talent but he always sells himself short and makes simple hip hop melodies i.e bass bass snare , bass bass snare or pop pop snare pop snare in ALOTof his drum lines....thats the simplist melody you can conceive . theres a GRIP i can go off about that he does that's not all that great. RZA has talent but it's not all that to get so hyped over, and i
think i know theres alot of better producers out there than him so it's ludicrous to say he's one of the greats when he holds as much talent behind the boards as kurupt has on the mic these days
and the list of overrated producers that are hailed as great are:
dj premier
pete rock
rza
battlecat
soopafly
are just a few that come to mind
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no offense.. but it seems like you know absolutley nothing about prooducing...
so what if RZA is working with 1 bar loops insted of 2 bars like most other producers does... RZA make them 1 bar loops dope... ive heard ALOTTA 1 bar loops.... RZA is the only one to success with that ... RZA's producing style is to make a dope loops combined with "cuts" each forth or 8:th bar... by checking "Iron Flag" you'll cee thats he've even started to make sum of that commersial beat u like... .. you dont even know if he plays it random or not.. but let assume he does.... if he does, i consider him as a genious, cuz he have made over 200 dope beat by playing random keys.. thats more than i can say about anybody... or whatchu think??
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dj premier
pete rock
rza
battlecat
soopafly
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i cant agree to that either
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i'm not saying this to dis you but
excuse me HOW many fucking music appreciation classes have you taken?? how many fucking production classes have you taken?? when the fuck did you get a scolorship to study musicology, how many hours have you spent disecting and studying the works of Bach, Betoveen, Mostsart, and all the great composers with professionals with degrees in this field........i got 50 bucks that says you've done sqaut in this area
rza is overrated , the whole one bar looop thing you just admitted to is all the proof i need that he's overrated and simplistic
comercial beats that i like?? man my tastes in music far expand deeper than you and probably everyon on this board so kill that noise. i'm sorry i've grown out of being pleased by bass bass snare drum lines and 2 note loops from a piano/keyboard....my bad, i'm sorry but there's no genius in overused loops, i even get pissed when dre does it and that's why i can't stand punk rock
man i coud go on for days so please don't try to question my knowledge of music just because you make a couple of cheap beats on fruity loops
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It doesn't matter to me how they make the beats as long as they sound dope, who gives a flying fuck?
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i'm not saying this to dis you but
excuse me HOW many fucking music appreciation classes have you taken?? how many fucking production classes have you taken?? when the fuck did you get a scolorship to study musicology, how many hours have you spent disecting and studying the works of Bach, Betoveen, Mostsart, and all the great composers with professionals with degrees in this field........i got 50 bucks that says you've done sqaut in this area
rza is overrated , the whole one bar looop thing you just admitted to is all the proof i need that he's overrated and simplistic
comercial beats that i like?? man my tastes in music far expand deeper than you and probably everyon on this board so kill that noise. i'm sorry i've grown out of being pleased by bass bass snare drum lines and 2 note loops from a piano/keyboard....my bad, i'm sorry but there's no genius in overused loops, i even get pissed when dre does it and that's why i can't stand punk rock
man i coud go on for days so please don't try to question my knowledge of music just because you make a couple of cheap beats on fruity loops
if you really wanna know...'
ive produced during 6 years, using Cubase/Logic with Gigasampler + AKAI Discs ... i hope you recognize that thats the equipment alotta professional producers uses,,, I currently got an equipment worth 5000 bucks, so dont even mention fruity loops
Ive Listenin to mozart, bach, heiden, grieg, larsson, faur, shuman, vivaldi, debrussy, mendelssohn, schubert, mahler, Rachmaninov, Sibelius, Tjajkovskij, Fauré .. .. and more and more ... i wouldnt be suprised if you dont know half on them
i havent gotten any scholarchip, cuz i study computer enginering....
i really wanna belive that when it comes to producing, i know much more than you do, even though you got your msical university,,,
but tell me.. what have all this to do with wether RZA is a good producer or not???
if you blaming rza for having to simplistic beats, you should also consider Dr Dre as wack.... over 70% of his beats are simplistic... lissen to doggystyle .... lissen to how the loops comes again, and again and again, with little string back and forth.... lissen to the chronic ... lissen to how the loop comes again and again and again, with flutes and strings back and forth...
it's not about having simplistic beats or not, it's about making the beat bounce and come with harmony, i dont give a fuck about what yourteacher taught you...
you should realy not try to show that you have more knowledge on an area you dont...
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you should realy not try to show that you have more knowledge on an area you dont...
lol whatever, your oblvious and igorant , i'm through. it's pointless trying to tell an n'sync or bsb fan their heros arn't all that so why should i try with someone like you. whatever man all i know is just by reading your posts your real ignorant to the essence of making music the only thing that impressed me is that you knew who some of those composers were (hmmm or did u peep allmusic.com hmm lol) anyways it's pointless arguing with you, be happy in your ignorance and unknowledge and think the way you want ;)
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comparing me with n'sync fans.. lol...
why dont we cee of the members here agrees or disagrees to what i said.... but im pretty sure you gonna call all of them uneducated, cuz they're not in music-university, right??
you claim that i produces with fruity loops.. tell me, have u ever produced a beat at all?? ... if yes.. lemme hear it to cee how much better u are
almusic.com ?? you're the one with the link... lol ..
but jus of curiosity.. give me the name of 3 producers you considers good, and ima promise you that ill be able to trash them down the way you trashed RZA and i Dre...
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Illmatic vs. 36 Chambers?? I cant call it. It depends on my mood at the moment, cuz it switches up a lot. One day Ill like 36 Chambers better, but then the next day Ill be feelin Illmatic more. Too close to call. Illmatic is probably slightly better in the lyrical department, but not by much. However, 36 Chambers was the start of a dynasty, and the Wu has most definatly put out more classic material than Nas has. But I cant call it, both are classic and ill just leave it at that.
As for RZA being an overrated producer, go listen to "Only Built 4 Cuban Linx" [EASILY one of the top 4 rap albums ever produced] and then tell me he is overrated. RZA didnt make production or "beats" on Cuban Linx. He made MUSIC.
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dj premier
pete rock
rza
battlecat
soopafly
are just a few that come to mind
None of those producers are overrated... now I ask you this... name one reason why Premier is overrated... better yet tell me ONE fuckin average/wack Premier production... what you're saying is bullshit.. Premier is one of, if not the best hip-hop producer(s) of all time... seriously you need to get off Dre's dick.. holla back.
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LMAO!!!! primo, RZA, and pete rock overrated?!?!?!?! you seriously need to expand your music instead of listening to west coast music only...that comment is worse than hellrazor saying bone's albums are all classic 5/5...LMAO!!!! oh yeah bigfake it seems to be that you know NOTHING about production....youre like mellowman...you know how to talk REAL GOOD to convince people that youre knowledged about all this production bullshit your talking about but you ain't fooling me...and didn't you say you go to a ghetto high school???? no offense but there is NO WAY your school have all those classes that you mentioned that you supposedly took...thats college boy...and music appreciation???? LMAO...i took that class and you learn NOTHING about how to produce music for real..you learn about past composers and major music periods back in the early century and obiviously you don't learn at all to judge that premier, RZA, and pete rock is overrated..you must be sick
anyways, illmatic over 36 chambers ANYDAY..and i'm a bigger wu fan than a nas fan but just because illmatic is single-handly done while 36 chambers is a group effort
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rza = best producer
36 chambers = best album ever
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dont let jake faze ya, ibo, he just seems to think hes the God of the board, and he is the all knowingly, the most powerful, the most knowledgable......
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Even though I disagree with Jake about RZA being overrated, he is still easily one of the more intelligent heads on this board.
And Minority, keep my name out of your fucking mouth. In the words of Biggie, you make my name taste like ass when you speak it.
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listen y'all i know more about MUSIC that means my horizons surpass the westcoast rap scene, east coast rap scene put together and times 1000
when you guys start to listen to more music outside of hip hop and expanding your horizons means more than listening to eastcoast/down south music , and you actually PROFESSIONALLY STUDY MUSIC from ALLLLLLL GENRES you'll see where i'm coming from
i never said i hated rza, dj premier, battlecat, soopafly, peterock ect. i like them all really, but get real guys THEY ARE OVERRRATED as producers, i bet....wait i know if they went into another genre of music and tried to produce with what they got they'd be run out of the business
rza,soopafly battlecat are overrated simply becuase the way they produce is wwaaaay tooo simple, i swear, if you were JUST learning a musical instrument you could EASILY master any of their catelouge's including cuban linx...look for ANY of their tabs and watch how easy it is to duplicate them all
dj premier and most of the time peterock can't even be considered producers, they plain and simple pull a puff daddy and grab an old song and peice it together with another old song , scratch it and say they 'produced' nas/jay-z/guru a song.....that's not producing that's DJ'ING!!!! the root word in producer is produce, which means to make/create ....not copy and paste...why do you think so many older people who grew up on the old mo town sound , jimi hendrix, the beatles, the stones, lynrd skynyrd. ect. CANT STAND/DESPISE hip hop?? when i was young i didn't understand how someone could look down on rap so much , but NOW I KNOW since i've developed a vast and great sense of music
THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOOD SOUNDING MUSIC AND GOOD PRODUCTION 70% OF THE TIME
and if the opposite was true, Nelly would be up there with the beatles
it almost makes me laugh and piss my pants how oblivious and ignorant (i'm not saying that as a diss) how people can tell me that i need to expand my horizons or i know nothing about music, or about production, when i could school all those people in hip hop myself and when thos same people can't even tell me simplest shit like what the rollingstones second album in america was or who was Jimi hendrix's producer/manager and where he discovered them off the top of their heads
and to minority, yeah my school is in the heart and soul of the ghetto in east bakersfield....so what, my school is funded though by the second richest district in califonia at the same time and is almost owned by Jose Radando and Buck Owens (REALLY rich mother fuckers) who donate a wad of money to my school so we have shit like Music Apreciation (lol you must be dislexic to not of leanred nothing in there or have a shitty school system) Production analyse 1,2,and 3, strong body, auto body and paint shop, woodshop, like 20 music departments for band and orchestra, classical piano class, multimedia acadamy, health academy and like a million other things....you know nothing so shut the fuck up, i bet you nor i bo even know the simplest things about production like a snare or basshead are ::)
i'm not here telling ANYONE what to like or who to like, but please don't make ignorant (not a personal diss) sentaments praising hip hop producers as 'the greatest' when you don't even know a thing about production....at least i have a leg to stand on and knowledge to back that up when i speak out against something. IMO in order to be the greatest at something you have to :
A) be original with your music and how you do it
B) be one of the best if not THE best at what you do and how you do it
C) be able to appeal to the harshest of critics and musically trained
D) conintually proove your 'haters' wrong
dj premier , Alchemist,peterock are EXCELLENT mixers and DJ'ers, BUT it's almost a joke to call them producers sometimes when ..THEY DON"T EVEN PRODUCE SHIT
and as far as all the other producers i can and have called overrated....they are far toooo simplistic and take the easy way out every time when producing a track to be considered the greatest..even in the simplist form of music , almost, like hip hop when you got guys like Dr. Dre, Dj Quik, Automator, ect who at least put more of an honest/more original/inovative effort into their music
oh yeah
again i'm not dissing or lashing back at anyone but the reason i made that comment to Ibo comparing im with N'syc is becuase alot of you who think highly of these peope reacted just like an N'sync fan would...not to say that dj premier and the rest are POP they're far from that BUT, y'all are saying the same thing as an Nsync fan would if i told them right now that Justin Timberlake is overrated as a singer and Steven Tylor was better. It's called knowing what's up, anyways i'mout peace
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^^^i feel what you sayin man but you gotta stop acting egotistical, some people in here got ya dick in their mouths, but some people aint having it
yeah you know your shit, but you dont gotta come out and stomp on every one while biggin up ya self
ya need ta respect others man, or else no one will respect ya
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i'm not here telling ANYONE what to like or who to like
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listen y'all i know more about MUSIC that means my horizons surpass the westcoast rap scene, east coast rap scene put together and times 1000
when you guys start to listen to more music outside of hip hop and expanding your horizons means more than listening to eastcoast/down south music , and you actually PROFESSIONALLY STUDY MUSIC from ALLLLLLL GENRES you'll see where i'm coming from
cough cough egotistical cough
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lol so
i'd loooooove to see how your 7 year old ass would respond if some little french bitch in toronto told you you didn't know shit about snoop dogg
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first of all sonny, im older than you,
second of all, i wouldnt cry and call him a pop fan and say i know more than him and act bad.........
if some french kid was telling me he knew more than me about snoop, and he was talkin out of his ass, i aint gonna argue with him, its like u cant pick on kids, if hes talkin shit, fuck em, let him clown himself
its called maturity, try it sometime, kid
but
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^^dont mind that "but" i forgot to erase it
i didnt want motherfuckers thinking im calling em but, doesnt really help my argument about whos mature.......lol
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listen y'all i know more about MUSIC that means my horizons surpass the westcoast rap scene, east coast rap scene put together and times 1000
when you guys start to listen to more music outside of hip hop and expanding your horizons means more than listening to eastcoast/down south music , and you actually PROFESSIONALLY STUDY MUSIC from ALLLLLLL GENRES you'll see where i'm coming from
i never said i hated rza, dj premier, battlecat, soopafly, peterock ect. i like them all really, but get real guys THEY ARE OVERRRATED as producers, i bet....wait i know if they went into another genre of music and tried to produce with what they got they'd be run out of the business
rza,soopafly battlecat are overrated simply becuase the way they produce is wwaaaay tooo simple, i swear, if you were JUST learning a musical instrument you could EASILY master any of their catelouge's including cuban linx...look for ANY of their tabs and watch how easy it is to duplicate them all
dj premier and most of the time peterock can't even be considered producers, they plain and simple pull a puff daddy and grab an old song and peice it together with another old song , scratch it and say they 'produced' nas/jay-z/guru a song.....that's not producing that's DJ'ING!!!! the root word in producer is produce, which means to make/create ....not copy and paste...why do you think so many older people who grew up on the old mo town sound , jimi hendrix, the beatles, the stones, lynrd skynyrd. ect. CANT STAND/DESPISE hip hop?? when i was young i didn't understand how someone could look down on rap so much , but NOW I KNOW since i've developed a vast and great sense of music
THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOOD SOUNDING MUSIC AND GOOD PRODUCTION 70% OF THE TIME
and if the opposite was true, Nelly would be up there with the beatles
it almost makes me laugh and piss my pants how oblivious and ignorant (i'm not saying that as a diss) how people can tell me that i need to expand my horizons or i know nothing about music, or about production, when i could school all those people in hip hop myself and when thos same people can't even tell me simplest shit like what the rollingstones second album in america was or who was Jimi hendrix's producer/manager and where he discovered them off the top of their heads
and to minority, yeah my school is in the heart and soul of the ghetto in east bakersfield....so what, my school is funded though by the second richest district in califonia at the same time and is almost owned by Jose Radando and Buck Owens (REALLY rich mother fuckers) who donate a wad of money to my school so we have shit like Music Apreciation (lol you must be dislexic to not of leanred nothing in there or have a shitty school system) Production analyse 1,2,and 3, strong body, auto body and paint shop, woodshop, like 20 music departments for band and orchestra, classical piano class, multimedia acadamy, health academy and like a million other things....you know nothing so shut the fuck up, i bet you nor i bo even know the simplest things about production like a snare or basshead are ::)
i'm not here telling ANYONE what to like or who to like, but please don't make ignorant (not a personal diss) sentaments praising hip hop producers as 'the greatest' when you don't even know a thing about production....at least i have a leg to stand on and knowledge to back that up when i speak out against something. IMO in order to be the greatest at something you have to :
A) be original with your music and how you do it
B) be one of the best if not THE best at what you do and how you do it
C) be able to appeal to the harshest of critics and musically trained
D) conintually proove your 'haters' wrong
dj premier , Alchemist,peterock are EXCELLENT mixers and DJ'ers, BUT it's almost a joke to call them producers sometimes when ..THEY DON"T EVEN PRODUCE SHIT
and as far as all the other producers i can and have called overrated....they are far toooo simplistic and take the easy way out every time when producing a track to be considered the greatest..even in the simplist form of music , almost, like hip hop when you got guys like Dr. Dre, Dj Quik, Automator, ect who at least put more of an honest/more original/inovative effort into their music
oh yeah
again i'm not dissing or lashing back at anyone but the reason i made that comment to Ibo comparing im with N'syc is becuase alot of you who think highly of these peope reacted just like an N'sync fan would...not to say that dj premier and the rest are POP they're far from that BUT, y'all are saying the same thing as an Nsync fan would if i told them right now that Justin Timberlake is overrated as a singer and Steven Tylor was better. It's called knowing what's up, anyways i'mout peace
Bigjakedoggydogg... get off Dre's dick... Premier is an awesome producer... the G.O.A.T. for me... and no, I'm not ignorant... I have heard almost all Premier productions ever... it don't matter HOW a producer creates a beat... if the beat is catchy and addictive, it's dope, as long it stays from Dre's pop formula... anyway if you really love Dre that much, why don't you go bump your Knoc-Turn'al pop songs... real hip-hop heads like myself listen to Gang Starr, Notorious B.I.G. & KRS-One... fuck Dre's pop-rap... as for the question, I think that Illmatic was the better album, it's a close call though... but albums were dope as hell, definitely hip-hop classics.
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lol so
i'd loooooove to see how your 7 year old ass would respond if some little french bitch in toronto told you you didn't know shit about snoop dogg
im belivin that the diss was aimed toward me, since everybody here know that i talk french... so bigjake, lets settle things....
1. You're sayin that you know all about producin... but have u ever produced a track???
2. You're claimin that since i dont live in USA, i shouldnt know much about hiphop (from the quote)... do you know that hiphop came to Europe only 1 year after it began in USA???
3. You're tryin to claim that your position in your musical college makes you entitled to determine whats good, and not....i dont go to such school... but most thing you're paying to learn, or having scholarship, whatever, i got it for free by my big sister
4. You're claiming that if a beat is simpistic, it cant be good... thats the most ignorant statement i ever heard, i woudnt expect it from somebody who's actually goin on a "musical college with rich owners" ... if you havent noticed, hiphop is based in loops, it's ment to be simplistic, some producers are more simplistic, some are less... but everybody plays the simplistic game... some make 2-bars loops, some makes 1 bar loops (like i already stated before) ... the 2 bars loops are popular in westcoast, since funk is based in 2 bars-melodies, while in east, 1 bar-loops are popular, becuz in the beginning they sampled short loops... alotta tracks with 2-bar loops from eastcoast are samples from old funk or motown tracks...
.... but i guess you already learned all that in school, right??
Now lets get into sum producing,,, the secret behind good producing and bad is how you mix the bass with the other instruments, it dont matter if it's to simplitic, or if it's advanced as hell.... "Dre - Deep Cover" .. probably one of the most simplistic beats ever... but aint nobody claiming that it's a wack track... becuz it's the way it sound that matters... not how complicated it is...
I really dont think you got ANY producing experiences and therefore shouldnt even open your mouth... if im wrong... why dont u post a beat and let WCC cee the skillz you've gained by your "musical college"
im not claiming to be the best producer ever ived or sumthin, but i do know what it takes to make a good beat, and it's not only by bein complicated...
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well...hiphop iz tha one genre that iz actually based,from it"z start, on sampling, scratching and mixing.
from tha dayz of Grandmaster Flash.... to tha Sugar hill gang"z "rapperz delight" yall can see dat it"z based on reusing an already existing material while building a new structure to it...thiz iz basiclly what hiphop iz...
this also makes hiphop to be tha one genre where tha line between a producer and a DJ iz very,very blured...
what makes one production better than another iz tha originallity in which tha sample iz used...tha personal new feel tha producer\dj addz to it while using it....tha way it featz tha rapperz delivery and flow and of course tha final result.
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first off hellrazor, yo come talk to me when you learn the real hip-hop instead of dickriding on bone all the time...you punk fag
bigjakedoggydogg...what i was speaking on is that you DON'T COME WITH THE FACTS...all you do is talk bullshit about what you THINK you know but yet ignorantly calls dj primo, rza, and others OVERRATED....and yeah i DON'T know about producing cuz i don't produce...i rap....but music appreciation you DON'T learn about how to produce motherfucker don't even try to lie and say you learn shit from there cuz you don't and i go to a college class..
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kvb, why do you even bother? seriously you proove my n'sync theory right. your acting ignorant to the process of how beats are made. i'm not sayin the beats premo makes are bad ...all i'm saying is the way he makes them are easy as fuck ....and IMO if your the "GREATEST" you should be 1 in a million and be hard to duplicate and have a better aproach....and i only mentioned dre's name once in my epic respsonse i mentioned the beatles and the stones far more.....and i don't even consider dre pop ....if dre was soooo pop why would rakim be with him and praise him more than the other producers he's worked with in the past? and for the record probably the greatest contemporary producer EVER , Quincy Jones, was a pop composer ... it doesn't matter how 'real' or 'street' you shit is but how much quality is behind the making of your compositions that make you great...KVB until you actually know what goes on behind the scences of production stay out of topics like this, saying DJ premier is the greatest ever so bluntly is like saying Denis Rodman is the greatest ever....dj premier might be the greatest DJ ever....like rodman might be the greatest rebounder ever, but over neither of them are the best composer/basketball player
IBO, you obviously didn't read my post....half of my shit was diriected at Tech, KVB, and minority...i'm throuh with your ass you already prooved your not on my levle. every thing your saying i was implying or trying to say is false, i'm sorry you didn't read my post right or at all and to answer your little question yes i have produced shit....i fucking produce 2 rock bands; my cousin's , and a local one , and in production class i've made a grip of shit that's on tape. i'm sorry but just becuase your sister (who could be irv gotti's neice for all i care) don't have SHIIT on the people who've i learned from and studied, and i'm not saying if it's simple tha it sux, it goes even deeper than , fuck it...dude this whole argumet doesn't even matter and i'm just going to ignore you guys because your OBVIOUSLY are all ignorant and uneducated
it's like trauma said about indian music " western culture is doing eastern indian culture no favors"
ALSO
UNTIL EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU EXPAND YOUR MINDS AND STOP LIMITIING YOUR SELF TO HIP HOP (FAR FROM EVEN THE GREATEST GENRE OF MUSIC) AND START LISTENING TO THE CLASSIC STUFF AND THE CLASSIC STUFF FROM THE LAST CENTURY IN OTHER GENRES .....SHUT YOUR MOUTH....it's like tech said
if some french kid was telling me he knew more than me about snoop, and he was talkin out of his ass, i aint gonna argue with him, its like u cant pick on kids, if hes talkin shit, fuck em, let him clown himself
exactly i'm not going to argue with all of you no more, because even though some of you might be a little bit older than me age wise, musically i can honestly say that i'm musically older or maturer than most of you , it's like a talib kweli fan arguing with nelly fans, i'm just gonna let you clown your selfs
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^^^shut the fuck up man, you clowned ya self already
even if the whole board told you you was wrong, you would still talk shit
ignorance dont go away that easy
some fuckin kid goes to music class after school and we all become n sync fans, shut the fuck up geek
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::) yeah and britain and canada won the WAR right,lol ::)
i'd rather be an intellegent geek that does possitive things in my life than an ignorant immmature finger pointer
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i really hate how off topic this post has gotten (i'm partly to blame for it though) so i want this topic to go back to talking about illmatic and 36 chambers
if someone wantsto start a topic about production be my guest! :)
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PROFESSIONALLY STUDY MUSIC from ALLLLLLL GENRES
And u mean 2 tell us u study that professionally?
dj premier and most of the time peterock can't even be considered producers, they plain and simple pull a puff daddy and grab an old song and peice it together with another old song , scratch it and say they 'produced' nas/jay-z/guru a song.....
Weren't tha one that told me that those producers are wayy better than Dj Uneek in our Bone Thug Arguements?
and to minority, yeah my school is in the heart and soul of the ghetto in east bakersfield....
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And 4 tha record I-BO and Suga Foot are tha best producers that eva came outta this board.......
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IBO, you obviously didn't read my post....half of my shit was diriected at Tech, KVB, and minority...i'm throuh with your ass you already prooved your not on my levle. every thing your saying i was implying or trying to say is false, i'm sorry you didn't read my post right or at all and to answer your little question yes i have produced shit....i fucking produce 2 rock bands; my cousin's , and a local one , and in production class i've made a grip of shit that's on tape. i'm sorry but just becuase your sister (who could be irv gotti's neice for all i care) don't have SHIIT on the people who've i learned from and studied, and i'm not saying if it's simple tha it sux, it goes even deeper than , fuck it...dude this whole argumet doesn't even matter and i'm just going to ignore you guys because your OBVIOUSLY are all ignorant and uneducated
lol.. whathever fool....
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And u mean 2 tell us u study that professionally?
Weren't tha one that told me that those producers are wayy better than Dj Uneek in our Bone Thug Arguements?
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And 4 tha record I-BO and Suga Foot are tha best producers that eva came outta this board.......
first question , yes
second question, yes i probably said that, BUT that's before i really knew what was up with rap producers, right now though i'd say that dj uneek is more original but not as talented becuase he's a poor mixer (i think he mixed those songs, i'm not sure but whoever did is poor) im not dissing him but he was a flavor of the week producer...when g-funk died so did he
third stanza
yeah east is in the ghetto (one of them in bakersfield), so is BHS, south and west
if you don't beleive me go to google.com and go to search and go to image search and type in bakersfield....last time i did this i found a picture of the front of my school and a layout of the economic status of my city , east bakersfied is pretty ghetto homie, i lived right in there for a bit on water street and skyline street but now i live on acacia ave. which is north east....aww fuck it i know where i live you can believe me or not
STICK TO THE TOPIC or i'm going to delete...and if you want to keep talking about this make another thread
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STICK TO THE TOPIC or i'm going to delete...and if you want to keep talking about this make another thread
the "mighty emperor" aka "musical genious" have spoken
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first question , yes
Wha? wachu mean? Theres a course like tha in high skool? Or u takin classes? If u are what's tha course's name? Hip Hop History or something?
How is it that they have something like that in Ghetto ass Bakersfield?
Oh and Bakersfield is Ghetto cause everythings fucked down there, everyones in poverty and shit, I been there twice.......
But Ghetto as Fools Set Trippin over there is what I said ::) to.......lol
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kvb, why do you even bother? seriously you proove my n'sync theory right. your acting ignorant to the process of how beats are made. i'm not sayin the beats premo makes are bad ...all i'm saying is the way he makes them are easy as fuck ....and IMO if your the "GREATEST" you should be 1 in a million and be hard to duplicate and have a better aproach....and i only mentioned dre's name once in my epic respsonse i mentioned the beatles and the stones far more.....and i don't even consider dre pop ....if dre was soooo pop why would rakim be with him and praise him more than the other producers he's worked with in the past? and for the record probably the greatest contemporary producer EVER , Quincy Jones, was a pop composer ... it doesn't matter how 'real' or 'street' you shit is but how much quality is behind the making of your compositions that make you great...KVB until you actually know what goes on behind the scences of production stay out of topics like this, saying DJ premier is the greatest ever so bluntly is like saying Denis Rodman is the greatest ever....dj premier might be the greatest DJ ever....like rodman might be the greatest rebounder ever, but over neither of them are the best composer/basketball player
I could make a lot of arguments here... but instead I'll give you one question:
How many Premier produced songs have you heard in your lifetime ?
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I could make a lot of arguments here... but instead I'll give you one question:
How many Premier produced songs have you heard in your lifetime ?
i wanna see him answer that question
this guy talks shit then threatens to close the thread,
go ahead mr. i live in the ghetto, but consequently go to these wonderful enriching music classes where i study mozart
shut up herb
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tha7th- its called Musical appreciation 1 and 2, and , you can take it as an elective for fine arts either that or drama class, or a billion other things like classical piano ::) and just becuase you been to bakersfield twice doesn't mean your the expert on my town....east bakersfield is where most of the mexicans live, south is where most of the blacks live west is where a mix of black/mexican/white north bakersfield is oildale which is trailor park city sw bakersfield is where all the rich fools live and where all the cool shit is like edwards theater, North east bakersfield (where i live now) is like the ideal middle class area NW is like the south west where all the new homes and shit are being made and shit...i didn't mean to make my town to be some hardcore area i'm just saying my fucking school is in the fucking ghetto of east bakersfield....and it gets ALOT of donations from all the rich fools that live here because of that like Jose Radando (who own this one autochain called family motors) Buck Owens (a famous country singer whose from here and practically owns this town) JR henderson who went to school at east and played for UCLA, and alot of other dudes i don't know of but have special little plauques all over my school which provide all these programs.......so fuck y'all if you don't beleive me anyone who lives(ed) here would tell you the EXACT same thing...
KVB , i've heard almost all of Dj premiers works, i own all but 1 of Gangstarrs albums, all the classics he's been on ...i.e ready to die, reasonable doubt (not classic but people say it is so i'm putting it in there) illmatic, ect. and everything in between like fat joe and little mixtapes and shit, ....go read my reviews at hip hop reviewed i'm SURE i've reviewed at least 1 or 2 albums he's been on....i've probably heard his whole catelouge of music just like i've heard all of Dre's, all of Quik's, all of ant bank's....hell i've probably heard more than you so shut up with all that ....it doen't matter if i've listened to 2000 or 20 dj premier songs....HE"S OVERRATED AS A PRODUCER ...DEAL WITH IT.
TECH....i bet you've heard like 2 or 3 dj premier songs in your life mr. "i'm just now feeling eminem" "i just noticed eazy e dissed doc" lol you don't have a rock to stand on ...get off my nuts you oblivious ignorant twat
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oh yeah like i said before
STAY ON TOPIC OR I'LL FLEX MY POWER
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. . .overrated producer. . .:
battlecat
Even though I'm a VERY big Battlecat fan, I have to agree that he's overrated (as much as I hate to). :(
By the way, I like Illmatic better (because of the lyrical content) than 36 Chambers, even though I love both. :)
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i can't stand punk rock
Do you like Jerry Finn? He produces Blink-182's stuff, as well as many other's. Check him out here: http://www.allmusicguide.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=R145289#APPEAR
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My favorite producers are Jerry Finn, Tom Lord-Alge, Moby, Dr. Dre, The Neptunes, and Timbaland. :)
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tha7th- its called Musical appreciation 1 and 2, and , you can take it as an elective for fine arts either that or drama class, or a billion other things like classical piano ::) and just becuase you been to bakersfield twice doesn't mean your the expert on my town....east bakersfield is where most of the mexicans live, south is where most of the blacks live west is where a mix of black/mexican/white north bakersfield is oildale which is trailor park city sw bakersfield is where all the rich fools live and where all the cool shit is like edwards theater, North east bakersfield (where i live now) is like the ideal middle class area NW is like the south west where all the new homes and shit are being made and shit...i didn't mean to make my town to be some hardcore area i'm just saying my fucking school is in the fucking ghetto of east bakersfield....and it gets ALOT of donations from all the rich fools that live here because of that like Jose Radando (who own this one autochain called family motors) Buck Owens (a famous country singer whose from here and practically owns this town) JR henderson who went to school at east and played for UCLA, and alot of other dudes i don't know of but have special little plauques all over my school which provide all these programs.......so fuck y'all if you don't beleive me anyone who lives(ed) here would tell you the EXACT same thing...
Well, it's funny, i been all over bakersfield twice and found it ghetto as fuck because of tha poverty and tha city seemed like a country white trash town......
And in that LoveLine show on tha radio they voted Bakersfield as tha boringest town in Kalifornia......altho I know this rich ass area named Tiburan across from Marin City in Bay Area which is more boringer.......
All im saying is u Exagerrate every fuckin thing and act Too Egotistical........but its all good, im just pointing out wats real.
Back 2 tha topic: Wu Tang's only classic album waz 36 chambers. And it came close but Illmatic gets this lyrical wise.
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bakersfield IS boring as fuck , but bakersfieldis 59% hispanic...there's only ONE white trash area of town and it's called oildale, i think i know my town more than you do
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bakersfield IS boring as fuck , but bakersfieldis 59% hispanic...there's only ONE white trash area of town and it's called oildale, i think i know my town more than you do
"STAY ON TOPIC OR I'LL MAKE ANOTHER MOD FLEX HIS POWER"
funny that he's commanding US to stay o topic while he can write whathever he want.... ::)
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WTF?? yo big jake STOP ABUSING YOUR MOD POWERS...why did you erase my post you fucking hypocrite
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yo on the real, fuck jakedoggydogg doggy dogg
(biggest dick rider name on the net)
you so cool for bringing up my past threads, it shocking actually, this motherfucker memorizes all my threads do you have a shrine dedicated to my honour at home too
and guys like axleF and loco didnt notice that eazy dissed DOC on trust no bitch, that has nothing to do with being a truer fan, thats an oversight,
bitch thinks hes the king of the world cuz hes from bakersfield,
my cousin is doing psycology and str8 up, you are a lonely kid who doesnt have much authority in life, youre always in the shadows of your friends, so you go on line, and act tough becuase its such a difference from your real life,
i know your type, jake dogggy dogg puppy dogg,
a pussy with a big mouth
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and btw, i have moment of truth and dozens of primo tracks ive downloaded,
so i think im qualified in speaking on Primo, some thing youre not
funny style, im such a bigger west coast head, and this fag thinks hes the don or something
one
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yo anyways, man i don't even have to explain again why primo, rza, and pete rock ain't nowhere near overrated...i mean first of all, how the fuck can they be overrated when NOBODY talks about them barely???? but yet they bring straight heat to the table...shit you wanna call overrated you better talk about dre and timberland....have you heard any of wu's albums???? any gangstarrs??? songs like "represent", "world is yours", "ny state of mind", "unbelieveable" "devils" "dead presidents" i mean damn the list goes on.......
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yo anyways, man i don't even have to explain again why primo, rza, and pete rock ain't nowhere near overrated...i mean first of all, how the fuck can they be overrated when NOBODY talks about them barely???? but yet they bring straight heat to the table...shit you wanna call overrated you better talk about dre and timberland....have you heard any of wu's albums???? any gangstarrs??? songs like "represent", "world is yours", "ny state of mind", "unbelieveable" "devils" "dead presidents" i mean damn the list goes on.......
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damn Jake... your comin off as arrogant as fuck... just cause a beats simplistic doesn't mean it's not good...the beats good if it's catchy, gets your head nodding and you FEEL IT... nuff said... and you sayin Premier is overrated? that's just hilarious homie... quit being so ignorent
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Smooth and anyone else comin in late should read this thread below.
http://forum.igangsta.com/cgi-bin/wcc/YaBB.pl?board=general;action=display;num=1018017424 ;)
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anyways..... bringing the shit back on topic....
i slept on illmatic for a long ass time, i was into 36 chambers pretty much out of the gate.. it was dope at the time... ruff, rugged and raw as fuck.
looking at it now beatwise illmatic creams all over it, primo, pete rock and .. ya'll forgot the man Q-TIP.. laced some gems.
i feel illmatic a lot more these days, i'm not really the best person to judge lyrics, but i know illmatic well... and 36 chambers, i havent listened to for a while (i prefer Forever :O way betta production IMO) and its not the kinda shit i kick back and listen to... if i wanted to get pumped for something i'd throw it and something like 'Bow Down' on.
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KVB , i've heard almost all of Dj premiers works, i own all but 1 of Gangstarrs albums, all the classics he's been on ...i.e ready to die, reasonable doubt (not classic but people say it is so i'm putting it in there) illmatic, ect. and everything in between like fat joe and little mixtapes and shit, ....go read my reviews at hip hop reviewed i'm SURE i've reviewed at least 1 or 2 albums he's been on....i've probably heard his whole catelouge of music just like i've heard all of Dre's, all of Quik's, all of ant bank's....hell i've probably heard more than you so shut up with all that ....it doen't matter if i've listened to 2000 or 20 dj premier songs....HE"S OVERRATED AS A PRODUCER ...DEAL WITH IT.
TECH....i bet you've heard like 2 or 3 dj premier songs in your life mr. "i'm just now feeling eminem" "i just noticed eazy e dissed doc" lol you don't have a rock to stand on ...get off my nuts you oblivious ignorant twat
Alright... I'ma tell you for the last time... (DJ) Premier is NOT an overrated producer in any sense... I'm sure any real hip-hop head will agree with me.. I doubt you have listened to all Gang Starr albums, because any person who have would recognize Premier's superior production skills... for real dogg... just listen to "Moment Of Truth"... a brilliantly produced album, on par with "Dr. Dre 2001" production AND rapping wise... peep "Work", "Moment Of Truth", "She Knowz What She Wantz", for example... and don't tell me the songs ain't composed by Primo himself... really you're just making a fool outta yourself by saying this... if you wanna talk BS outta your ass then fine with me... I ain't gonna argue any more until give me with some reasons why Premier is overrated, which you've failed to so far... anyway that's all... peace
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There is no winner in this one, now that I think about it.
The only winner' is the fan who still to this day bump's them like it was 93-94 respect.
a Tight battle of two of the greatest lp's ever.
I had posted my choice as "Illmatic" the last time I posted but the topic got diluted with all the verbal boxing.
I'll have to give it a tie now considering both carrer's are still here and strong as hell.
Let's keep it going homies...
Peace
Hatesrats 2oo2
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the way dj premier produces and passes his shit off as original is overrated...that is the truest thing you'll ever hear in your life. why do you think people who grew up on Hendrix and The 'Stones hate rap so much...lol ?
i don't hate the man or his music (infact i enjoy premier rza battlecat ect)
i'm not trying to tell you what to listen to , i'm just giving you the EDUCATED facts. i've even broken it down for you how premier makes a track compared to ummm let's say Quincy Jones or Automator...anyone would see and i'm pretty sure agree why i'd say DJ Premier is overrated , and i just find it hilarious how peole say DJ Premire is the "the best" or one of the best "producers" in rap. One of the best DJ's YES (duh, tht's not even debatable) but producers......eeeeehhh no, i'm sorry. Plus premier has done little or nothing to further his style or sound....and you'll see by asking any music critic why they trash musicians who don't further their sound. Take Metallica for example (my fav band ever btw) ALOT of critics pan 'Master of Puppets' for not further their sound becuase it's formula is ALOT like 'Ride the lightning's' even though 'master of puppets' is the better album and can be crowned as the best metal album of the 80's. Also you'll notice how allmusic.com pans doggystyle and murder was the case soundtrack for not doing this either (oh look i just threw dre into this negatively, wow i'm such a dizzy dr. dreer rider **cough cough overseer** lol.
fuck i just went on too long....and went off topic....oh fucking well i'm not mod no more so what do i got to worry about, i can't delet myself
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the way dj premier produces and passes his shit off as original is overrated...that is the truest thing you'll ever hear in your life. why do you think people who grew up on Hendrix and The 'Stones hate rap so much...lol ?
i don't hate the man or his music (infact i enjoy premier rza battlecat ect)
i'm not trying to tell you what to listen to , i'm just giving you the EDUCATED facts. i've even broken it down for you how premier makes a track compared to ummm let's say Quincy Jones or Automator...anyone would see and i'm pretty sure agree why i'd say DJ Premier is overrated , and i just find it hilarious how peole say DJ Premire is the "the best" or one of the best "producers" in rap. One of the best DJ's YES (duh, tht's not even debatable) but producers......eeeeehhh no, i'm sorry. Plus premier has done little or nothing to further his style or sound....and you'll see by asking any music critic why they trash musicians who don't further their sound. Take Metallica for example (my fav band ever btw) ALOT of critics pan 'Master of Puppets' for not further their sound becuase it's formula is ALOT like 'Ride the lightning's' even though 'master of puppets' is the better album and can be crowned as the best metal album of the 80's. Also you'll notice how allmusic.com pans doggystyle and murder was the case soundtrack for not doing this either (oh look i just threw dre into this negatively, wow i'm such a dizzy dr. dreer rider **cough cough overseer** lol.
fuck i just went on too long....and went off topic....oh fucking well i'm not mod no more so what do i got to worry about, i can't delet myself
I ain't gonna say nothing more... nobody here agrees with you... if you wanna keep your opinions (which is completely absurd) that's fine with me... I ain't gonna argue no more
Peace
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just becuase people here don't agree with something , doesn't make it right,some/ALOT of people here think snoop is some kind of genius lyracist. i like snoop but i won't hesitate to call him overrated, just like i like premo but i won't hesitate to call him overrated now, now that i know what real production is . That's kind've a good comparison i think and everything i said was fact, not opininon, i said i liked premo (which is an opinon) but the way he produces is overrated (proven fact)
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i said i liked premo (which is an opinon) but the way he produces is overrated (proven fact)
And how is that a proven fact ?
Because you think he's overrated, it's a proven fact ? ::)
btw.. I don't see many people/media praising Primo.. I would rather call him underrated... that is a definite fact
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dude i want you to do yourself a favor ok
tommorow, go to your library.....and check out a book that says "the history and examination of musical production (non classical)"
and you'll see exactly where i'm coming from with all this....same with everyone elsetoo
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dude i want you to do yourself a favor ok
tommorow, go to your library.....and check out a book that says "the history and examination of musical production (non classical)"
and you'll see exactly where i'm coming from with all this....same with everyone elsetoo
*sigh* ::)
This discussion is over.
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pete rock is a genius . period.
download "Today" by Tom Scott and you'll see why.
crate diggin and dissectin a sample takes a whole lotta skill. its just somethin your born with the ability to do ............ otherwise WE WOULD ALL be in the studio makin beats.
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*sigh* ::)
This discussion is over.
this is what i'm talking about, i get dissed for my facts, and get called ignorant, but when i proove my case, this all these people can say
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pete rock is a genius . period.
download "Today" by Tom Scott and you'll see why.
crate diggin and dissectin a sample takes a whole lotta skill. its just somethin your born with the ability to do ............ otherwise WE WOULD ALL be in the studio makin beats.
THANK YOU , you just proooved my point for me, that's DJ'ing, and that's what a skilled DJ does......producers do somethig TOTALLY different
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Well, my .02 cents is this:
Jake's partially right about some of those guys being overrated... they're all good, much better than me or him, but sometimes people act like they're the messiah or something just because they can throw some dope drums and samples together. OUtta his list, I'd say Battlecat is the most overrated, everything he does (recently) has a similar sound, clap drums etc. But him and dre adn rza etc. get credited with stuff they don't do. I'm producin some stuff right now, with Nate, over the net playing bass. It's dope as hell, and I know everybody's gonna be like "wow" dope beat, Trauma, but in reality, without Nate making such a funky bassline, it wouldn't be any good. So that's why dre/etc. are overrated, their musicians come tight, they just put it together. (which itself takes mad talent)
Dre and Premier, as far as hiphop goes, are in a class by themselves. Rza is a different species to me, he may not be the most talented in the world, but he's got an ear like dre's, he knows what sounds good. And homie earlier made a great point about how simple the chronic is. All it is is layers of loops in and out, in and out. But it sounds great, so whoever's responsible (dre) gets major props, which he deserves. Rza does crazy, crazy stuff, he's great at making strange samples work, although I'm not feeling his recent stuff as much. "Shame on a nigga" was probably my favorite Rza track. Crazy sample.
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Well, my .02 cents is this:
Dre and Premier, as far as hiphop goes, are in a class by themselves. Rza is a different species to me, he may not be the most talented in the world, but he's got an ear like dre's, he knows what sounds good. And homie earlier made a great point about how simple the chronic is. All it is is layers of loops in and out, in and out. But it sounds great, so whoever's responsible (dre) gets major props, which he deserves. Rza does crazy, crazy stuff, he's great at making strange samples work, although I'm not feeling his recent stuff as much. "Shame on a nigga" was probably my favorite Rza track. Crazy sample.
THANK U !!!
bythe way trauma, i would like to sample that bass u used in that "infinite - rain" demo ..( then u totaly changed the bassline in the final track) .. may i use it?
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this is what i'm talking about, i get dissed for my facts, and get called ignorant, but when i proove my case, this all these people can say
That's completely wrong... you haven't proved JACK SHIT, you fail to realize that (DJ) Premier is a superior producers, one of the best in the rap game right now... probably because you hate him... that's why further discussion is pointless... if you want, I could list some Premier produced tracks for you and the other members to check out... or I could compare him to Dr. Dre.
~1~
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pete rock is a genius . period.
download "Today" by Tom Scott and you'll see why.
crate diggin and dissectin a sample takes a whole lotta skill. its just somethin your born with the ability to do ............ otherwise WE WOULD ALL be in the studio makin beats.
THANK YOU , you just proooved my point for me, that's DJ'ing, and that's what a skilled DJ does......producers do somethig TOTALLY different
no that didn't prove the point.
Riddle me this....
What Does Pete Rock Use For The Construction & Dissection Of Beats?
a DJ Turntable.. some Technics 1200s or 1210s?
No
He uses an E-MU SP 1200. Is that DJ Equipment?
You can see one inside the 2001 booklet in the shot where dre is with mel-man, its the back one with four buttons up the side on the rack - an MPC is sat more prominently.
Do you dissect a beat on a turntable for use in a song? no u sample it and dissect inside a sampling drum machine. which is PRODUCTION EQUIPMENT.
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RAP production equipment that pioneering DJ's used/use
i never said it was a crime to sample i'm just saying there's a difference between using a few scattered samples here and there which basically every producer does literally, and basing your whole career and production formula around that....which differents you from being a producer and a dj
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RAP production equipment that pioneering DJ's used/use
i never said it was a crime to sample i'm just saying there's a difference between using a few scattered samples here and there which basically every producer does literally, and basing your whole career and production formula around that....which differents you from being a producer and a dj
Look here BigJakeDoggyDogg... this is what your face will shortly look like if you say that (DJ) Premier is overrated one more time... and... you don't know shit about his work process... he is indeed a producer.
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wow and people say i ride dr. dre too much, and i get over hyped when they talk about dre negatively... ::)
i've done this more than once and i'll do it again ::sighs::
this is the basic blue print of dj premier
first the drum beat. as anyone who knows how to structure a song, the drum is usually your first layer. seeing how it sets the tempo for the entire song , and anything off tha tempo shouldn't be mixed in. anyways dj premier either A) digs in his vast collection of vynals and finds a 3-5 secnd peice of drumming.....lets knab lars ulrich's 'sad but true' for this dj premier beat ok, premo then processes that through a sampler and knabs that shit up and loops it. seems simple, looks simple, IS simple...i've done it plenty of times in class. then theres usually a 2nd and more 'cliche' way of making a drum beat ....oh yes the infamous overused typical rap drum beat used soooooooo many times in rap that i've practically heard every rap producer use in their more uninspired times. for example the very CLICHE basshead basshead , snare. but i'll give premo the benifit of the doubt here and we're using the metallica line
ok second anyone whose studied music knows that drum and bass are very connected (that's why u almost always see bassists in concerts face or stand very near to the drummer, becuase they feed off one another) the drum and bass combo usually works best when the bass hits a note or two and in between pauses in the bass notes the drum crashes or clicks (which is displayed pretty well in the korn song blind) I know premo is a smart man and it's going to be prettyhard /impossible to succesfully blend another bass line with that drum line we picked out...so premo has no choice really but to use the same bass. so let's run that through and loop the same timings together, and layer it with the drum line
dj premier never really gets more than 5 layers deep (including rap vocals) so we're almost done
now it's time to add dj premier's excellent scratching abilities (which are not overrated and you can't take away from) hmmm what work nice with this 'hardcore' beat we got going that premo could bust out the techniques and scratch in some vocal samples with....how about using some lines from inspectah deck and kurupt where kurupt says " hardcore" then deck is scratched in saying" like porno flick pictures"...Premo scratches that in with his tech's and layers that into his beat
theres still something missing something little like chimes or somthing like bells.... AH HAH! BELLS primo can use the bell at the begining of 'hells bells' from ac/da. dope, just run that trough and precisly layer it for the bell to 'gong' or whatever on the snare hit of the drum every other melody bar or so ;D
ladies and gentleman ....we have a beat all we got to do now is sell it to nas or somebody
as a matter of fact this beat DOES sound intriging and very tight....but did we produce anything here? no not really, we just took some shit we liked and mixed it together and did what most dj's do in clubs in battles or at party's ....take something already out there and mix it with something else...that's why he's called DJ premier, lol, we didn't creat any new sound scapes we just mixed exisisting sound scapes together. this is the equivalent of mixing an apple and an orange together in the blender . sure it tastes good but that didn't produce a new fruit did it? no
i'm not specifically nailing dj premier becuase theres alot of rap 'producers' that do this. dr. dre even did it on SOC. i'm also not saying this sux or this takes no skill but i'm saying ,compared to what quincy jones or George Clinton did with their OWN melodies that they made from their own head THAT was real production, and what we just did isn't , we were just acting as mixers/dj's.
oh yeah just to piss off KVB , cuz i'm sure he's not going to read my post all the way through to see what i said, just skim
through and take what i say out of context......i'm going to say this... DJ PREMIER IS AN OVERRATED PRODUCER :P
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wow and people say i ride dr. dre too much, and i get over hyped when they talk about dre negatively... ::)
i've done this more than once and i'll do it again ::sighs::
this is the basic blue print of dj premier
first the drum beat. as anyone who knows how to structure a song, the drum is usually your first layer. seeing how it sets the tempo for the entire song , and anything off tha tempo shouldn't be mixed in. anyways dj premier either A) digs in his vast collection of vynals and finds a 3-5 secnd peice of drumming.....lets knab lars ulrich's 'sad but true' for this dj premier beat ok, premo then processes that through a sampler and knabs that shit up and loops it. seems simple, looks simple, IS simple...i've done it plenty of times in class. then theres usually a 2nd and more 'cliche' way of making a drum beat ....oh yes the infamous overused typical rap drum beat used soooooooo many times in rap that i've practically heard every rap producer use in their more uninspired times. for example the very CLICHE basshead basshead , snare. but i'll give premo the benifit of the doubt here and we're using the metallica line
ok second anyone whose studied music knows that drum and bass are very connected (that's why u almost always see bassists in concerts face or stand very near to the drummer, becuase they feed off one another) the drum and bass combo usually works best when the bass hits a note or two and in between pauses in the bass notes the drum crashes or clicks (which is displayed pretty well in the korn song blind) I know premo is a smart man and it's going to be prettyhard /impossible to succesfully blend another bass line with that drum line we picked out...so premo has no choice really but to use the same bass. so let's run that through and loop the same timings together, and layer it with the drum line
dj premier never really gets more than 5 layers deep (including rap vocals) so we're almost done
now it's time to add dj premier's excellent scratching abilities (which are not overrated and you can't take away from) hmmm what work nice with this 'hardcore' beat we got going that premo could bust out the techniques and scratch in some vocal samples with....how about using some lines from inspectah deck and kurupt where kurupt says " hardcore" then deck is scratched in saying" like porno flick pictures"...Premo scratches that in with his tech's and layers that into his beat
theres still something missing something little like chimes or somthing like bells.... AH HAH! BELLS primo can use the bell at the begining of 'hells bells' from ac/da. dope, just run that trough and precisly layer it for the bell to 'gong' or whatever on the snare hit of the drum every other melody bar or so ;D
ladies and gentleman ....we have a beat all we got to do now is sell it to nas or somebody
as a matter of fact this beat DOES sound intriging and very tight....but did we produce anything here? no not really, we just took some shit we liked and mixed it together and did what most dj's do in clubs in battles or at party's ....take something already out there and mix it with something else...that's why he's called DJ premier, lol, we didn't creat any new sound scapes we just mixed exisisting sound scapes together. this is the equivalent of mixing an apple and an orange together in the blender . sure it tastes good but that didn't produce a new fruit did it? no
i'm not specifically nailing dj premier becuase theres alot of rap 'producers' that do this. dr. dre even did it on SOC. i'm also not saying this sux or this takes no skill but i'm saying ,compared to what quincy jones or George Clinton did with their OWN melodies that they made from their own head THAT was real production, and what we just did isn't , we were just acting as mixers/dj's.
oh yeah just to piss off KVB , cuz i'm sure he's not going to read my post all the way through to see what i said, just skim
through and take what i say out of context......i'm going to say this... DJ PREMIER IS AN OVERRATED PRODUCER :P
I actually read the whole post... hahahaha lmao @ you wasting your time writing all this... as I said, it doesn't matter HOW a producer makes a beat. What matters is the beat quantity, if producers are able to make every single one of thier beats dope and addictive. Very few producers can do this. This is what separates DJ Premier & Dr. Dre from The Neptunes, Swizz Beatz and other producers, num sayin ?
Considering this, would you still call (DJ) Premier overrated ? ;)
Oh yeah.. you don't know JACK SHIT about Premier's work process... so don't speak on it
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first the drum beat. as anyone who knows how to structure a song, the drum is usually your first layer. seeing how it sets the tempo for the entire song , and anything off tha tempo shouldn't be mixed in. anyways dj premier either A) digs in his vast collection of vynals and finds a 3-5 secnd peice of drumming.....lets knab lars ulrich's 'sad but true' for this dj premier beat
as a matter of fact this beat DOES sound intriging and very tight....but did we produce anything here? no not really, we just took some shit we liked and mixed it together and did what most dj's do in clubs in battles or at party's ....take something already out there and mix it with something else...that's why he's called DJ premier, lol, we didn't creat any new sound scapes we just mixed exisisting sound scapes together. this is the equivalent of mixing an apple and an orange together in the blender . sure it tastes good but that didn't produce a new fruit did it? no
this shows your lack of understanding in what 'hiphop' producers go through to create beats. you have simplified it so much is does seem farcical... and vynals isn't even a word.. its called vinyl, the plural is records.
I think the problem is that you need a lesson in how production works from a hiphop perspective, since you are approaching things like an 'outsider' and making too many assumptions.
1) 'hiphop' producers do not follow the standard procedures for creating tracks. BUT.. just as much effort goes in.
2) the best producers have a DJing background (DJ Premier, DJ Shadow, DJ Quik, DJ Pooh, and of course the diggity diggity doc... and even Daz who was DJ Jedi) some drop the name when they get big, some don't. Its my belief (speculative) that DJing gives them a better ear when layering, blending and mixing samples.
3) The 'choosing' a sample process is complicated. Yes they often don't play instruments themselves. but.. they wouldn't ever sample something 'popular' (apart from Puffy who so obviously did do this to get 'mass appeal' (gangstarr quote 'Cause suckers be like playin themselves to have mass appeal'). Hiphop producers will 'dig in crates' to find a sample that no one else has used.. it could be a 50 year old record of a band no ones ever heard of, most likely because they were wack - BUT - there may be a moment of genius/synchronicity on that record that sounds dope when used in another context. Taking this minute 'moment of truth' (gang starr again) and turning it into something completely different isn't as simple as stuffing it in a sampler and looping it. For example as I have often said before.. that although Dre was not the first to use the 'David McCallum - The Edge' sample in the Next Episode..(so Rockwilder used it first and in the eyes of hiphop purists he's the best simply because he got it out first) however....... David Axelrod the legendary producer who produced that track called Dre's a 'visionary' and 'genius' in the way he used the sample. he flipped it and made something amazing out of it.. far superior to the fluffly lounge music of the original.
HipHop producers treat the sample as an instrument.. whether it be a snippet of someone they recorded playing a bassline, or something they got from an old record.. at the end of the day its just a chunk of music.
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dude you just said what i was already saying, yes it does take an ear to do that shit, but my whole point is , that is not production, IT"S MIXING/DJ'ing
it's like taking an exotic fruit no one has eaten before or has eatin in 50 years (like your beat explaination) and mixing it in with an orange to make a tasty treat. you didn't create or produce a new fruit...you made a mixture. But if you were a scientist or chemist that could play god and come up with a whole new fruit that grew like a bannana that tasted like an apple or trifruit that grew like a coacoanut but onc cracked had one side being a big cherry the middle a giant strawberry ad the other end being an orange or (weak example ) like seedless grapes. you would have created (produced) a new fruit
see where i'm coming from? theres a BIG BIG difference
and the hip hop way of looking at it, IS the dj/mixer way i've been talking about, hip hop sprouted from an mc rapping over a dj spinning record samples
and the reason why i think Dre was praised so much for his next episode sample is because he did a half half with it. Sampled the main beat but added his own stuff to it aswell....i'll post more in a hour.
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about the next episode
i don't even consider that to be the best of dre's works behind the boards, but probably why he was so praised by the original composer was because dre didn't (or at least i'm pretty sure) use a direct sample. the originals tabs are this :
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-|--0-7-7-5-7-5-3-5-3-3-0-3-0
on a stand up bass (fretless)
and dre re-tabed it and kept the same main melody but flipped the notes
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-|-4----------9-7-9-9-7-4-7-
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but instead of open strums, ^^^dre's is palm muted and plucked and done on guitar (accoustic i believe) plus i'm pretty sure the drums and sound effects and other insrumentation are all original , or i'm sure dude wouldn't have said all that stuff about dre's version
but do you guys see what i'm talking about : just about all the layers from a DJ'd beat came from else where and are all sampled. but a producer actually comes original even if there is a sample , and again the next episode isn't even the best dre beat, imo it's 'aright'...i like it don't get me wrong but i think he coulda done more
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i'm not saying this to dis you but
excuse me HOW many fucking music appreciation classes have you taken?? how many fucking production classes have you taken?? when the fuck did you get a scolorship to study musicology, how many hours have you spent disecting and studying the works of Bach, Betoveen, Mostsart, and all the great composers with professionals with degrees in this field........i got 50 bucks that says you've done sqaut in this area
rza is overrated , the whole one bar looop thing you just admitted to is all the proof i need that he's overrated and simplistic
comercial beats that i like?? man my tastes in music far expand deeper than you and probably everyon on this board so kill that noise. i'm sorry i've grown out of being pleased by bass bass snare drum lines and 2 note loops from a piano/keyboard....my bad, i'm sorry but there's no genius in overused loops, i even get pissed when dre does it and that's why i can't stand punk rock
man i coud go on for days so please don't try to question my knowledge of music just because you make a couple of cheap beats on fruity loops
Yo... I'm in music appreciation, Beathoven, Back, those cats ain't shit, they made music for the King, it's like today if some "geniuses" made music for president Bush, to please him and the wealthy class of freemasons, it would be wack, the real music is in the streets, from the streets, for the streets, that's where the true genius comes from, neccessity, like hip-hop, they created their own art form out of neccessity. Robert Moses had Brooklyn all fucked up because of the Cross Bronx expressway. Hip-hop saved Brooklyn.
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Yo... I'm in music appreciation, Beathoven, Back, those cats ain't shit, they made music for the King, it's like today if some "geniuses" made music for president Bush, to please him and the wealthy class of freemasons, it would be wack, the real music is in the streets, from the streets, for the streets, that's where the true genius comes from, neccessity, like hip-hop, they created their own art form out of neccessity. Robert Moses had Brooklyn all fucked up because of the Cross Bronx expressway. Hip-hop saved Brooklyn.
FUCKING THANK YOU!! i've been trying to say that music appreciation don't teach you jack shit about production....it teaches you all those bullshit past overrated composers who is NOTHING in todays music standards...i hate 'fake" motherfuckers who claim they listen to classical music when they're just saying that because they're considered legends in a ignorant music audience......
a real fact: bigfakedoggydogg is ignorance when comes to music AND production
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FUCKING THANK YOU!! i've been trying to say that music appreciation don't teach you jack shit about production....it teaches you all those bullshit past overrated composers who is NOTHING in todays music standards...i hate 'fake" motherfuckers who claim they listen to classical music when they're just saying that because they're considered legends in a ignorant music audience......
a real fact: bigfakedoggydogg is ignorance when comes to music AND production
Word.... The course is over in one week, So I've taken the college Music Appreciation, even more advanced than what BigJake was talking about, he's blowing smoke up your ass, straight up, acting like because he took that class he knows the ins and outs of production, that's a complete lie..... If you want to talk Music History than talk to me about African tribal music, or Native American music, because this class I'm taking right now is bullshit music made for the wealthy class of Europe. Saying classical music is the most "intelligent" form of music, is like saying being white and living in Beverly Hills playing tennis and sipping wine is "the best" way of living.
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ignorance at it's finest and purist........eeeeerrrr uhhhhhhh rock sux becuase middle class white people make it eeeerrr uhhhhhhh shut up
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36th Maafaakin' Chamber.........
and for big jake doggy dogg..............tsk tsk tsk...Rza??Overrated???? nah dog...i thought you knew more than that...
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lol i know more than people HERE give me credit for, if i was musically ignorant i doubt i'd have a full college scolorship,lol
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i'm not doubtin' you musical knowledge.....but have you heard all Rza work....like everythin' he's done...????
if you did you wouldn't say that....cuz he always changes his style and his beats aren't sipmle like you said....all the time....
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jus curious, does any1 know what album is actually in tha lead, 36 chambers or illmatic
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i actually own around 25 or so wu tang related albums
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lol i know more than people HERE give me credit for, if i was musically ignorant i doubt i'd have a full college scolorship,lol
i saw a documentary about sometimes even fool could get schoolarships.... in usa.. so that doesnt proves a shit...
and like minority and infinite said, listenin to classical shit doesnt make u to a better producer ... (even though i like classical shit... ) .. it just makes you more "musical"
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i saw a documentary about sometimes even fool could get schoolarships.... in usa.. so that doesnt proves a shit...
and like minority and infinite said, listenin to classical shit doesnt make u to a better producer ... (even though i like classical shit... ) .. it just makes you more "musical"
1. it depends on what kinda scholorship...if it's a deer hunting scholorship for Cheez wiz University yeah, but a musical /pharmisutical that allows you to go to any in the US university, (i think maybe hartford, and princton are possibilities) it ain't easy.....either way its alot harder to get one here than wherever your from
2. i never said i was a fine producer......i'm musicallly intellegent...which you just admitted too...thank you
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oh yeah (no disrespect to infinate or nothing)
but infinate also thinks 2pac is a holy prophet and was going to write a bible like book about him
and minority is the least knowledgable about music here so ...theres your supporting team buddy
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1. it depends on what kinda scholorship...if it's a deer hunting scholorship for Cheez wiz University yeah, but a musical /pharmisutical that allows you to go to any in the US university, (i think maybe hartford, and princton are possibilities) it ain't easy.....either way its alot harder to get one here than wherever your from
2. i never said i was a fine producer......i'm musicallly intellegent...which you just admitted too...thank you
i never said that u dont know a shit.... but you're being ignorant... you dont know everything .... u alone claims something while the rest of wcc claims another thing .. u gotta accept that u mind be wrong ... u cant still be big-headed and say "im right, everybody else is wrong" ... thats childish ..... thats the reason why im questionizing your equcation level, cuz if you were on that level u should have learned that u can be wrong, if you havent learned it yet, im sorry, but it seems like u had a bad teacher...
no disrespectin.. im just bein real
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i know i'm right, if i wasn't i wouldn't support my argument so thoroly with no intellegent respose from my opposers
and if everyone here said snoop was the best rapper, doesnt mean it's true , now if we were on a board that was more musically diverse i might be considered wrong but the truth of the matter is this board is very biased to westcoast music and rap....
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i actually own around 25 or so wu tang related albums
bro...if you have 25 or more wutang related albums and you actually listened to all of them.....and after all that you say stuff like that about Rza.....then i have to put that scolorship of yours under question mark...
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no i don't , it's not like i'm saying dumb shit like beetoven and bach are overrated like SOME members would/have lol
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i know i'm right, if i wasn't i wouldn't support my argument so thoroly with no intellegent respose from my opposers
and if everyone here said snoop was the best rapper, doesnt mean it's true , now if we were on a board that was more musically diverse i might be considered wrong but the truth of the matter is this board is very biased to westcoast music and rap....
1 question:
are dre's beats from the chronic and doggystyle simplistic? (i just want a "yes" or "no")
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as far as rap production goes no
but as far as musical production goes, kinda, but since you only left me with 2 choices , 'yes'
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as far as rap production goes no
but as far as musical production goes, kinda, but since you only left me with 2 choices , 'yes'
question number 2:
do you consider the beats from doggystyle and chronic as "classic beats" / "5 outta 5 beats" or not?
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the least knowledgeable????? LOL......yeah i might be less knowledgeable when it comes to classical music than you but in hip-hop???? check yo self
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as far as rap production goes: most definatly yes, the best rap has ever seen
as far as music production as a whole goes: kinda, the original compositions yes...but the oversampled ones..
"no"
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the least knowledgeable????? LOL......yeah i might be less knowledgeable when it comes to classical music than you but in hip-hop???? check yo self
ok than, heres an easy question
which punk rock/new wave band introduced hip hop music to the mainstream, and what year?
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as far as rap production goes: most definatly yes, the best rap has ever seen
as far as music production as a whole goes: kinda, the original compositions yes...but the oversampled ones..
"no"
just "yes" or "no" plz
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ok than, heres an easy question
which punk rock/new wave band introduced hip hop music to the mainstream, and what year?
thats easy
aerosmith in 84-1985 (i think)
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just "yes" or "no" plz
i did
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thats easy
aerosmith in 84-1985 (i think)
WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG
lol it was blondie with "rapture" with fab 5 freddy in the vid
aerosmith a punk rock/new wave bands,LOL SINCE WHEN!?! lol
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WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG
lol it was blondie with "rapture" with fab 5 freddy in the vid
aerosmith a punk rock/new wave bands,LOL SINCE WHEN!?! lol
aerosmith isn't punk rock??? shit i don't listen to punk rock/new wave band....why don't you ask questions that are "strictly" related to hip-hop instead of some behind the bushes questions?
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i did
u answered "yes" and "no" ... witch one??
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aerosmith isn't punk rock??? shit i don't listen to punk rock/new wave band....why don't you ask questions that are "strictly" related to hip-hop instead of some behind the bushes questions?
that is a hip hop question,lol.....every hip hop junkie knows about this
your just bitter cuz i proved my point right
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u answered "yes" and "no" ... witch one??
oh god please tell me he's not this dumb in real life
again
yes the original ones
"no" (since you give me no middle ground), the sampled ones
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oh god please tell me he's not this dumb in real life
again
yes the original ones
"no" (since you give me no middle ground), the sampled ones
is 2pac the goat:
yes in lyrical skillz
no in emotional skillz
yes in flow
no in smoothness
yes in ....
no in....
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i just want one single answer .... yes OR no ... simple as that
and plz dont call me dumb... im educated enough to not let your cockyness make me loose my temper...
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is 2pac the goat-yes
and since most of dre's beats on those albums were original than sampled...yes to that too
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u said that RZA aint of of the best cuz his beats are to simplistic.. but right now, u just admitted that dre's beats are pretty much simplistic too...
u said that RZA aint of of the best cuz his beats are 1-2 bars loops ... but hey.. wasnt Dre's doggystyle and chronic 1-2 bars loops??
now you say that RZA aint of of the best cuz his beats are sampled from records and shit, while Dre is one of the best, cuz insted of sampling it directly, he played the sample by himself???
:-/ :-/ :-/ :-X
u need to ge back to your music-school... and dont come back before you're graduated...
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lol
you failed to mention how dre and rza differ
dre's melodies are 100x more original than rza's
dre's effort behind the boards outweighs rza's like an elephant and a germa shepherd
dre's sampling isn't a straight jack, it's a varied sampled cushioned around ORIGINAL compositions
dre is miles above rza
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lol
you failed to mention how dre and rza differ
dre's melodies are 100x more original than rza's
dre's effort behind the boards outweighs rza's like an elephant and a germa shepherd
dre's sampling isn't a straight jack, it's a varied sampled cushioned around ORIGINAL compositions
dre is miles above rza
also all gotta say is "deeez nutts" or "lil ghetto boy" instrumentals and that easily wins any argument you might have
lol, i admire your desperation....its great comic relief
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also all gotta say is "deeez nutts" or "lil ghetto boy" instrumentals and that easily wins any argument you might have
lol, i admire your desperation....its great comic relief
i admire your ignorance .. its good to know that bin laden and saddam aint the only fools...
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you think snoop dogg is the GOAT, and support the fact that Mozart, Bach and Beetove "suck"......and i'm the ignorant one, ummmm okay ::)
IBO= funnier than chris rock/tucker
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lol@ "aerosmith"
yo Jake that was an eazy question, give him another one
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lol it's nice to be on good terms with you Tech
anyways heres another question Minority, and it's mulitpul choice too:
what news magazine show was the first to do a report on rap
a) 60 minutes
b)20/20
c) Donahue
d) weekend news with Dan Rather
e) weekend report with Stone Phillips
and for extra credit who did the field report
a)Barbra Walters
b) Peter Jennings
c) Tom Brokah
d) John Stossle
e) David Letterman
f) John Wallace
g) Gregory Hines
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lol it's nice to be on good terms with you Tech
anyways heres another question Minority, and it's mulitpul choice too:
what news magazine show was the first to do a report on rap
a) 60 minutes
b)20/20
c) Donahue
d) weekend news with Dan Rather
e) weekend report with Stone Phillips
and for extra credit who did the field report
a)Barbra Walters
b) Peter Jennings
c) Tom Brokah
d) John Stossle
e) David Letterman
f) John Wallace
g) Gregory Hines
can i answer this, i saw it on vh1
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ignorance at it's finest and purist........eeeeerrrr uhhhhhhh rock sux becuase middle class white people make it eeeerrr uhhhhhhh shut up
Jake, check this out, here is what you aren't understanding. American culture is unique, in that our music in the 20's, began to divide across opposing races and classes, due to the Industrial Revolution and America's rise to power. CD's, Albums, Records, also became avalaible for purchase. So instead of being in the 1800's and having some 7 composers to choose from, you now have hundreds of artists and sounds to choose from. Today's music, is not a sign of decreased musical intelligence, but rather an advance in technology, increase in consumerism, and a seperation of races and classes. Therefore your whole argument bastardizing and degrading hip-hop music because it isn't like European influenced classical music is bogus, and completely ridiculous.
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lol it's nice to be on good terms with you Tech
anyways heres another question Minority, and it's mulitpul choice too:
what news magazine show was the first to do a report on rap
a) 60 minutes
b)20/20
c) Donahue
d) weekend news with Dan Rather
e) weekend report with Stone Phillips
and for extra credit who did the field report
a)Barbra Walters
b) Peter Jennings
c) Tom Brokah
d) John Stossle
e) David Letterman
f) John Wallace
g) Gregory Hines
i didnt know that, that means, i dont know hiphop... whait, i dont even live in usa... usa aint in the middle of earth....
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an easy question.....
studies shows that by listening to deep musik, your math-skillz raises dramaticly... and your level is near a genius ::) tell me exactly what "E=MC^2" stand for
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tom: lol no, i'm sorry that question is for minority, since he "knows more about hip hop than me", and lol yeah i got that from VH1
Infinate: with all due respect homie, that's a weak weak argument, i can flip that whole statement around and use that for my argument as well
I-Bo- do you even know what your talking about anymore,damn....someone needs to sharpen their comprehension skills up.......oh yeah E=MC squared is einstein's theory of relativity: if a body emits a certain amount of energy,
then the mass of that body must decrease by a proportionate amount.
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I-Bo- do you even know what your talking about anymore,damn....someone needs to sharpen their comprehension skills up.......oh yeah E=MC squared is einstein's theory of relativity: if a body emits a certain amount of energy,
then the mass of that body must decrease by a proportionate amount.
exactly what i thaught u would answer.. the fact is that thats only 5% of the truth... u want the truth?? u cant handle the truth (lol.. Jack Nicholson,"A Few Good Men")
anyway... thats the simplistic definition presented for fool like us to understand an inch of what "E=MC^2" is about the high-school definition... even educated scientists have really hard to understand what Enistein ment... one thing is sure, neither you OR me OR any other college student knows have enough talents and knowledge to understand what Einstein ment...
are u gonna agrue against this and say "Noo man.... you're ignorant, "E=MC^2" is what i just said", then i suggest u pick Einsteins book and reads it, im pretty sure you wont understand 99% of it
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Infinate: with all due respect homie, that's a weak weak argument, i can flip that whole statement around and use that for my argument as well
By all means... try flipping around the argument, I'd love to see what you'd come up with.
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I-Bo's a real life hip-hop producer, he knows instruments and sounds, he's speaking from first hand knowledge, your speaking from knowledge of ancient European culture, that's why I-Bo is winning the argument.
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/\/\ I agree with all of u here/\/\ 36 is better then Illmatic, and at first i thought ya'll was talkin about something else, Like how to compose music or some shit, but then i saw it from the eyes of Newt, and it all came clear to me, u all got something to prove, So ya'll quit BITCHIN and agree wit each other....Peace
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/\/\ I agree with all of u here/\/\ 36 is better then Illmatic, and at first i thought ya'll was talkin about something else, Like how to compose music or some shit, but then i saw it from the eyes of Newt, and it all came clear to me, u all got something to prove, So ya'll quit BITCHIN and agree wit each other....Peace
LOL...... this has gotten so off-topic..... by the way....
my vote= Illmatic
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lol@ "aerosmith"
yo Jake that was an eazy question, give him another one
lol faggot ass ho please find something better to do than focus your life dissing me and get a life
and big jake yo ask questions that are STRICTLY RELATED to hip-hop.....i mean how the fuck am i supposed to know shit like that??? even REAL hip-hop heads wont know shit like that for real i don't even have vh1 LOL...but fuck it i'll still answer....(guess)
60 minutes, barbara walters
ok heres a question for you AND that american bitch prince tech.....
this is a easy one too
the gangsta rapper that was known as "park side killa??"
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lol faggot ass ho please find something better to do than focus your life dissing me and get a life
and big jake yo ask questions that are STRICTLY RELATED to hip-hop.....i mean how the fuck am i supposed to know shit like that??? even REAL hip-hop heads wont know shit like that for real i don't even have vh1 LOL...but fuck it i'll still answer....(guess)
60 minutes, barbara walters
ok heres a question for you AND that american bitch prince tech.....
this is a easy one too
the gangsta rapper that was known as "park side killa??"
KRS-1 would probably get those questions wrong, it doesn't mean shit, who give a fuck if mass media like Barbara Walters did a story on hip-hop.
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KRS-1 would probably get those questions wrong, it doesn't mean shit, who give a fuck if mass media like Barbara Walters did a story on hip-hop.
There's deffinately some goods points there on why u like 36 Chambers so much, and it shows!
U speak the truth, 36 jus had more classics, i agree. Anyway, I'm out...Now ALL OF U quit arguing like some bitches, n' jus admin 36 is the best!!! lol :p
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1. infinate it's clear to me that you don't like this music so your justifying your dislike with it by trying to tear it down and put your music up with it.....go ask ANY one that knows music...and they'll tell you what's up, and I-BO is an amiture producer, and i seriously doubt he knows more about melodies than me.....i bet he couldn't even tell me what note 'd' sounds like,lol, seriously i feel like i'm having an argument with a 5th grader here over whose more powerful, God or a ninja turtle,lol
2. i-bo, again your desperation amuses me beyond belief, you can't win an argument with me about music so you have to bring e=mc squared into this and try to make me argue with you about that,lol your a funny guy, go listen to da game is to be sold not to be told and listen to the supposed 'goat' of hip hop, lol heres a quote from your 'goat "when you diss dre (jake) you diss yourself"
3. and to everyone saying that my question wasn't hip hop and that KRS one couldn't get that right.......LMFAO!!!!!! i got that question from a Hip Hop special on VH1 and i've heard Fab5 Freddy, Grandmaster Flash, Soul Sonic Force, AND AND AND AND...........KR mutha fuckin S ONE talk about it...lol
i-g-n-o-r-a-n-c-e
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oh yeah minority , since you can't answer any of my questions right
btw the 2nd question's answer was 20/20, john stossle
heres an EASIER question for your ass
name 3 or 4 aliases of Biz Markey
EAZY EAZY EAZY EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAZZZY , anyone who knows anything (unless your biased or ignorant) knows this
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2. i-bo, again your desperation amuses me beyond belief, you can't win an argument with me about music so you have to bring e=mc squared into this and try to make me argue with you about that,lol your a funny guy, go listen to da game is to be sold not to be told and listen to the supposed 'goat' of hip hop, lol heres a quote from your 'goat "when you diss dre (jake) you diss yourself"
i-g-n-o-r-a-n-c-e
u couldnt win with your dumb ass arguments, so you started asking minority nonsense questions ....
i thaugh that you were educated enough to know that you dont know a shit about Einsteins theory, but you were quikk to respond with the answer they gave u in high school ... it makes me wonder if also your musical knowledge (??) is taken from highschool....
name 3 or 4 aliases of Biz Markey
^^ another dumb ass question :-/
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u couldnt win with your dumb ass arguments, so you started asking minority nonsense questions ....
i thaugh that you were educated enough to know that you dont know a shit about Einsteins theory, but you were quikk to respond with the answer they gave u in high school ... it makes me wonder if also your musical knowledge (??) is taken from highschool....
^^ another dumb ass question :-/
lol you truley are funny
you just said that geniusses don't understand einsteins formula completly ...so how the fuck do you expect me to know when i'm not even taking sciece,lol, and you just said my answer was the basic idea....so you just played yourself
and again proove your desperation
u can't win the argument so you have to resort to this
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..:Biz Markie:.. ;)
(http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~edgF91/BizRing.JPG)
Tha Biz...
The Diabolical, Angelical, Poetical, Numerical-miracle man...
By the way I still have Illmatic over 36 chamber's....
Peace
Hatesrats 2oo2
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u couldnt win with your dumb ass arguments, so you started asking minority nonsense questions ....
i^^ another dumb ass question :-/
those questions don't even have nothing to do with you , minority said he knows more than me about hip hop so i'm giving him some easy questions, tom187 knew them and so did everyone was talking to on IM last night knew them, so they ain't that hard at all
and if they're so dumb why don't you take a stab at them and tell me your answer on AIM....
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..:Biz Markie:.. ;)
(http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~edgF91/BizRing.JPG)
Tha Biz...
The Diabolical, Angelical, Poetical, Numerical-miracle man...
By the way I still have Illmatic over 36 chamber's....
Peace
Hatesrats 2oo2
LOL very good homie.....but yo that question was for minority since he 'knows' more than me, props though,lol
question for MINORITY only......
who was slick rick's partner? when did they part ways, and why>?
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lol you truley are funny
you just said that geniusses don't understand einsteins formula completly ...so how the fuck do you expect me to know when i'm not even taking sciece,lol, and you just said my answer was the basic idea....so you just played yourself
and again proove your desperation
u can't win the argument so you have to resort to this
do you remember in kindergarden when they said that u can divide 1 ??
do you remember in high school when they said that you cant multiply negative numbers ??
do you remember in highschool when they said that an atom consisted of 3 smaller sectors and couldnt be divided more ??
do you understand what my point is??
sometimes teacher learn u something WRONG cuz u wouldnt be able to understand the truth ...
the structure of music + language + math are VERY close to eachover ... if you're mastering one of them prefectly, you will have much easier to master any other of them ... since you seems to be a musical genious ( ::) ) i wanted to know if you know anything about math, witch you just proved that you couldnt ....
you didnt give me a bad answer, but the answer u gave is comparable to:
teacher: what is math??
student: 1 + 1 is math ....
not a wrong answer, but this obviously shows that the student either want to be bigheaded, or that he just dont have enough knowledge...
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okay my bad that i did't give you an indepth report of e=mc2, i'm sorry i don't have the time to type u up an essay
btw, i'm taking calculous 2
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1. infinate it's clear to me that you don't like this music so your justifying your dislike with it by trying to tear it down and put your music up with it.....go ask ANY one that knows music...and they'll tell you what's up, and I-BO is an amiture producer, and i seriously doubt he knows more about melodies than me.....i bet he couldn't even tell me what note 'd' sounds like,lol, seriously i feel like i'm having an argument with a 5th grader here over whose more powerful, God or a ninja turtle,lol
Actually I did talk to my music appreciation teacher about all this, he's got degree's and knows far more then you do about all that bullshit you talk about, I talked to my teacher for like 30 minutes after class and he straight up said that that classical shit wasn't any more intelligent or genius then hip-hop music today, it was just a different time period and different culture.
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so what, how do i know your not making this up? how do i know your not taking what he said out of context? if your teacher is sooo educated tell me exactly what degrees he has, were did he study what are his musical preferances. how long has he been studying music?
answer me all that
i'mmm tell my teachers this and see what they have to say....or better yet why don't you go make a topic like this at another boad, like a rock board, or rollingstone.com's board, or any other board? and lets see
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the gangsta rapper that was known as "park side killa??"
LOL..^^^^^ bigfake you COMPLETLELY ignored the question that i asked you.....i'm not answering your question UNTIL you answer this question FIRST...and then i'll ask you another question since i answered 2 questions for you i think its only fair that you answer 2 questions from me too then we can continue
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yo Minority i was actually gonna squash this, but since you still wanna drag this shit on, its all gravy, go ahead, get off my nuts fool, keep doing what ya doing, i dont give a fuck what u doing man,
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yo b Techniec
check the elite banner i have in my siganture and place it under yours too...
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My favorite producers are Jerry Finn, Tom Lord-Alge, Moby, Dr. Dre, The Neptunes, and Timbaland. :)
I also like Mel-Man, Hi-Tek, Pete Rock, Cut Chemist, DJ Nu-Mark, Dan The Automator, DJ Premier, The Alchemist, Evidence, and Prince Paul.
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this topic is over 2.5 months old ... why did you have to up it ??
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no1 locked this