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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: rafsta on June 27, 2005, 04:58:46 PM
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how many of you would try to use the whole "it's because im black isnt it" line to get out of trouble ? (in a serious situation)
tonight some dude was kicked out of the club for bein blind drunk, then he was being a cheeky kunt sayin we only kicked him out coz were being racist... saying that kind of shit you deserve to get smacked up a few times, i felt insulted when he said that, he was about 30cm away from bein legally smashed....
i consider what he said to be reverse racism...
whats all your thoughts on this ?
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how many of you would try to use the whole "it's because im black isnt it" line to get out of trouble ? (in a serious situation)
I say that a lot when I get in trouble.
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how many of you would try to use the whole "it's because im black isnt it" line to get out of trouble ? (in a serious situation)
I say that a lot when I get in trouble.
plus youre not black you idiot.
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i'm a black man trapped in a white man's body :D
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i'm a black man trapped in a white man's body :D
no you want a black man inside your white body....and his name is TQ
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i'm a black man trapped in a white man's body :D
no you want a black man inside your white body....and his name is TQ
nothin but net !!!
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i'm a black man trapped in a white man's body :D
no you want a black man inside your white body....and his name is TQ
ouch
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I was just talking about this with some friends the other day.
I have a friend who has a couple kids and I'm trying to tell him that if he tells them the world will be against them because they're black when they're young it will most likely have a terrible affect on how they grow up. You tell a kid that society hates you because it's racist then every time a non black does anything negative it's racism to them. They're going to go through childhood thinking every non black teacher that sends them to the office or every non black citizen that gives them a hard time it's because of racism.
Is there racism? Of course, but every time a white does something to a black it isn't always racist. Some people are just assholes in general. Some people also may be looking out for your best interest by using tough love, but if you confuse tough love with racism than you'll never learn the right messages.
I have friends that do the stupidest things get in shit for it and then say it's because they were black. A know a guy that wasn't allowed to run for class president because he was a trouble case from day one, skipped class on a reg, told teachers to go suck themselves, had been in too many fights to count, suspended multiple times, and expelled in middle school, but according to him it was because he was black.
If I take a pole of all my black friends and separate the ones with that blame racist whites for their misfortunes with the ones that don't, 99% of the ones on the racism side have next to no promise in their future and 99% of the other side a good upstanding human beings that are either going places or are places.
Whether society is racist or not is not the issue. The point is if you think the world is against you because you're black, or whatever colour, and you live by that philosophy you set yourself up for failure because you give yourself an excuse for every bad thing you do.
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^^^I basically agree. It's annoying as hell when everytime something isnt going exactly like a black guy wants he labels everyone causing this situation racist. It's incredible. Not that is annoying for all those other people who are wrongfully called racist and shit, also it keeps him from seeing his own flaws, which ultimately keeps him from achieving stuff, because he doesnt improve because he doesnt know what to improve because nothing is his fault is it? Vicious circle that is.
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I agree with Shallow, im not black though ???
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what the fuck is reverse racism
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what the fuck is reverse racism
It's when someone makes a harmless comment, and someone else completely misconstrues it and makes it racist. It's like the person wants the other person to make a racist comment so they can rag on them.
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I was just talking about this with some friends the other day.
I have a friend who has a couple kids and I'm trying to tell him that if he tells them the world will be against them because they're black when they're young it will most likely have a terrible affect on how they grow up. You tell a kid that society hates you because it's racist then every time a non black does anything negative it's racism to them. They're going to go through childhood thinking every non black teacher that sends them to the office or every non black citizen that gives them a hard time it's because of racism.
Is there racism? Of course, but every time a white does something to a black it isn't always racist. Some people are just assholes in general. Some people also may be looking out for your best interest by using tough love, but if you confuse tough love with racism than you'll never learn the right messages.
I have friends that do the stupidest things get in shit for it and then say it's because they were black. A know a guy that wasn't allowed to run for class president because he was a trouble case from day one, skipped class on a reg, told teachers to go suck themselves, had been in too many fights to count, suspended multiple times, and expelled in middle school, but according to him it was because he was black.
If I take a pole of all my black friends and separate the ones with that blame racist whites for their misfortunes with the ones that don't, 99% of the ones on the racism side have next to no promise in their future and 99% of the other side a good upstanding human beings that are either going places or are places.
Whether society is racist or not is not the issue. The point is if you think the world is against you because you're black, or whatever colour, and you live by that philosophy you set yourself up for failure because you give yourself an excuse for every bad thing you do.
the thing i see, is that its hard for other races to really speak on this stuff. Its basically impossible to know how it feels to be another race, and impossible to REALLY see things from their point of view. Its kind of like, if your mother died tomorrow and mine was still here. And you dealt with your pain in a certain way, and i tried to give u advice on how to deal with it. You wouldnt necessarily respect my opinion cus you would know that i know nothing about how it feels to be in your shoes. Like u said, its a fact....there is racism in this country. And its worse then most white people WANT to believe. Like i said, when u dont experience it...you dont notice it. And yeah, i would imagine that a lot of black folks have a bit of a chip on their shoulders about racism, and who wouldnt? Obviously there's all types of people (in every race). So you always have certain people who point the finger for EVERYthing. Just like a white person who might bring about some frivoulous law suit for something that was their own fault. Just like a white person who might blame the countries economy problems on illegal immigrants....etc. What people have to understand is that you have NO idea what its like to live in another persons shoes. We are all equal, but not all the same. And if our roles were reversed...we'd all act the same way other races act based on their experiences. Its probably a hard line to define between "not pointing the finger for racism" and "not taking any racism from anyone".
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the thing i see, is that its hard for other races to really speak on this stuff. Its basically impossible to know how it feels to be another race, and impossible to REALLY see things from their point of view. Its kind of like, if your mother died tomorrow and mine was still here. And you dealt with your pain in a certain way, and i tried to give u advice on how to deal with it. You wouldnt necessarily respect my opinion cus you would know that i know nothing about how it feels to be in your shoes. Like u said, its a fact....there is racism in this country. And its worse then most white people WANT to believe. Like i said, when u dont experience it...you dont notice it. And yeah, i would imagine that a lot of black folks have a bit of a chip on their shoulders about racism, and who wouldnt? Obviously there's all types of people (in every race). So you always have certain people who point the finger for EVERYthing. Just like a white person who might bring about some frivoulous law suit for something that was their own fault. Just like a white person who might blame the countries economy problems on illegal immigrants....etc. What people have to understand is that you have NO idea what its like to live in another persons shoes. We are all equal, but not all the same. And if our roles were reversed...we'd all act the same way other races act based on their experiences. Its probably a hard line to define between "not pointing the finger for racism" and "not taking any racism from anyone".
To me, all of that sounds like excuses. I know a few black people that got ahead in life just because they are black. One kid I know works at a bank, but about 4 years ago, he robbed two girls at gunpoint right in front of a bank. He is going to a prestigious college and he is working on a couple different political campaigns. He got the job because of the "equal opportunity" deal, he got in to the college because of affirmative action, and he is the token black guy to these people he is campaigning for. I'm not knocking him though. He is a smart kid, but he got a lot of stuff handed to him just because the color of his skin. There are so many laws in place that minorities can take advantage of and get ahead in life, I don't see what the problem is. If you are making 100G's a year, who cares what someone says to you? A couple of my black friends have also told me about a few incidences where people said something that could be taken as racist, my friends didn't even make the connection, but the people start apologizing like crazy. Maybe the Twin Cities is different, but I think so many white people are so afraid to be called racist, the catch themselves quicker than the minorities.
You are right about one thing though. I haven't experienced it from a black person's point of view. Maybe it's different, but from what I've heard, it seems like a couple black people are ruining it for everyone else trying to point out racist stuff too much. I believe that if people stopped worrying about what unimportant people thought of them and put this racist stuff on the backburner, a lot of problems would just go away. If everyone didn't let comments bother them, where's the power? Stereotypes only exist because people let them. The kid who I was talking about earlier, his mom is from Cabrini Greens, but she works 3 jobs, and she is a decent person. As far as I'm concerned, her skin could be blue, the respect is still there. Opporunity is color blind with hard work. She wanted her kids to grow up safe, so she worked more and bought a house in the suburbs. And you see the chain reaction, right? She got to the suburbs, now her son is a sophmore in a good college working 40 hours a week at a bank. That isn't very stereotypical. It sounds more like the American Dream. Everyone wants that. That isn't just a white thing.
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the thing i see, is that its hard for other races to really speak on this stuff. Its basically impossible to know how it feels to be another race, and impossible to REALLY see things from their point of view. Its kind of like, if your mother died tomorrow and mine was still here. And you dealt with your pain in a certain way, and i tried to give u advice on how to deal with it. You wouldnt necessarily respect my opinion cus you would know that i know nothing about how it feels to be in your shoes. Like u said, its a fact....there is racism in this country. And its worse then most white people WANT to believe. Like i said, when u dont experience it...you dont notice it. And yeah, i would imagine that a lot of black folks have a bit of a chip on their shoulders about racism, and who wouldnt? Obviously there's all types of people (in every race). So you always have certain people who point the finger for EVERYthing. Just like a white person who might bring about some frivoulous law suit for something that was their own fault. Just like a white person who might blame the countries economy problems on illegal immigrants....etc. What people have to understand is that you have NO idea what its like to live in another persons shoes. We are all equal, but not all the same. And if our roles were reversed...we'd all act the same way other races act based on their experiences. Its probably a hard line to define between "not pointing the finger for racism" and "not taking any racism from anyone".
To me, all of that sounds like excuses. I know a few black people that got ahead in life just because they are black. One kid I know works at a bank, but about 4 years ago, he robbed two girls at gunpoint right in front of a bank. He is going to a prestigious college and he is working on a couple different political campaigns. He got the job because of the "equal opportunity" deal, he got in to the college because of affirmative action, and he is the token black guy to these people he is campaigning for. I'm not knocking him though. He is a smart kid, but he got a lot of stuff handed to him just because the color of his skin. There are so many laws in place that minorities can take advantage of and get ahead in life, I don't see what the problem is. If you are making 100G's a year, who cares what someone says to you? A couple of my black friends have also told me about a few incidences where people said something that could be taken as racist, my friends didn't even make the connection, but the people start apologizing like crazy. Maybe the Twin Cities is different, but I think so many white people are so afraid to be called racist, the catch themselves quicker than the minorities.
You are right about one thing though. I haven't experienced it from a black person's point of view. Maybe it's different, but from what I've heard, it seems like a couple black people are ruining it for everyone else trying to point out racist stuff too much. I believe that if people stopped worrying about what unimportant people thought of them and put this racist stuff on the backburner, a lot of problems would just go away. If everyone didn't let comments bother them, where's the power? Stereotypes only exist because people let them. The kid who I was talking about earlier, his mom is from Cabrini Greens, but she works 3 jobs, and she is a decent person. As far as I'm concerned, her skin could be blue, the respect is still there. Opporunity is color blind with hard work. She wanted her kids to grow up safe, so she worked more and bought a house in the suburbs. And you see the chain reaction, right? She got to the suburbs, now her son is a sophmore in a good college working 40 hours a week at a bank. That isn't very stereotypical. It sounds more like the American Dream. Everyone wants that. That isn't just a white thing.
Problem is, for white males they see affirmative action as an unfair advantage for minorities. They dont see that its actually only really throwing them a bone (like u said, token black guy). It helps, but it isnt gonna make the problem go away overnight. Youre talking about a country that has pushed ONE group (white males) to the forefront for hundreds of years. And now, to think that affirmative action which hasnt been around that long is making it too easy for minorities is crazy. Its not that white males are more or less racist then everyone else. They are JUST as racist as everyone else. BUT, they have the unfair advantage of basically running this country because of the past racism. So, seeing as how EVERYone has prejudices. Everyone discriminates to some extent. When one group holds the power...then they will ALWAYS hold the power without any type of laws to keep them from suppressing the advancement of others. Im not sure how old you are man, but if youre of an age where youve been working for a long period of time....you cant tell me youve never seen any type of prejudiceness in the workplace when it comes to hiring minorities. Im in a position to hire, so i can hire whoever the hell i want and the percentage of good to bad employees have been the same for me no matter what race they were. Its always been more of an economical disparity more then race. And its the rich kids who were far worse workers then the poor kids. But ive flat out seen managers, when asked if they would hire someone say "Are u serious? He's black.". The company im in doesnt have an affirmative action program and most of the hiring is done by white people. So assuming that we all have some sort of prejudice, who is more likely to get the job when the one doing the hiring is a white male? Besides that, race is only one part of the equations when it comes to minorities. If this country was all one race. White for example. No one would dispute the fact that the poor would be at a disadvantage. Crime infested neighborhoods, poor education, etc. Unfortunately this countries "ghettos" are filled with minorities. So for white males, they turn their eyes to that disadvantage and only focus on something like affirmative action to say, "wow...they have the upperhand" when really the white male has had the upperhand since birth.
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I was just talking about this with some friends the other day.
I have a friend who has a couple kids and I'm trying to tell him that if he tells them the world will be against them because they're black when they're young it will most likely have a terrible affect on how they grow up. You tell a kid that society hates you because it's racist then every time a non black does anything negative it's racism to them. They're going to go through childhood thinking every non black teacher that sends them to the office or every non black citizen that gives them a hard time it's because of racism.
Is there racism? Of course, but every time a white does something to a black it isn't always racist. Some people are just assholes in general. Some people also may be looking out for your best interest by using tough love, but if you confuse tough love with racism than you'll never learn the right messages.
I have friends that do the stupidest things get in shit for it and then say it's because they were black. A know a guy that wasn't allowed to run for class president because he was a trouble case from day one, skipped class on a reg, told teachers to go suck themselves, had been in too many fights to count, suspended multiple times, and expelled in middle school, but according to him it was because he was black.
If I take a pole of all my black friends and separate the ones with that blame racist whites for their misfortunes with the ones that don't, 99% of the ones on the racism side have next to no promise in their future and 99% of the other side a good upstanding human beings that are either going places or are places.
Whether society is racist or not is not the issue. The point is if you think the world is against you because you're black, or whatever colour, and you live by that philosophy you set yourself up for failure because you give yourself an excuse for every bad thing you do.
the thing i see, is that its hard for other races to really speak on this stuff. Its basically impossible to know how it feels to be another race, and impossible to REALLY see things from their point of view. Its kind of like, if your mother died tomorrow and mine was still here. And you dealt with your pain in a certain way, and i tried to give u advice on how to deal with it. You wouldnt necessarily respect my opinion cus you would know that i know nothing about how it feels to be in your shoes. Like u said, its a fact....there is racism in this country. And its worse then most white people WANT to believe. Like i said, when u dont experience it...you dont notice it. And yeah, i would imagine that a lot of black folks have a bit of a chip on their shoulders about racism, and who wouldnt? Obviously there's all types of people (in every race). So you always have certain people who point the finger for EVERYthing. Just like a white person who might bring about some frivoulous law suit for something that was their own fault. Just like a white person who might blame the countries economy problems on illegal immigrants....etc. What people have to understand is that you have NO idea what its like to live in another persons shoes. We are all equal, but not all the same. And if our roles were reversed...we'd all act the same way other races act based on their experiences. Its probably a hard line to define between "not pointing the finger for racism" and "not taking any racism from anyone".
I see where you're coming from but in all fairness and honesty, I would gladly take any advice from you or anyone else on any subject if it's out of respect and if it's with good intentions. I've never been one of those fuck head "you can't understand what I've been though" losers. As for me on the racisim side, I grew up a white kid in a black area. I know a thing or two about being looked at as different and treated with prejudice. I also come from a Greek family that's been to Turkey, a country that enslaved the Greeks for a longer time than the US enslaved blacks, at about the same time (1400-1800). Let's not even get into the attempted genocides Turkey has tried. If I see a Turk or go to Turkey I could care less about all that.
You see we're talking about different things. You seeem to be talking about adult blacks not getting promoted or being looked st oddly in the white collar, I'm talking about children and teens who (true story) are banging on a door rather loudly in the middle of the day and calling the woman next door a racist for asking what's going on. I'm talking about telling a teacher to go suck her self, getting suspended and then blaming it on racism. I'm not talking about the developed adult mind. My point in this is to say that teaching a kid that when someone isn't nice to you or gets you in trouble they're racist is not good for them while they're developing. I'm basing this based on multiple people I know from both sides of that spectrum. And I'm saying it for their sake. Kids that grow up lie that only really hurt themselves. Do I hate being called racist? Yes, much more than being a victim of racism, but I could care less at the end of the day. What bothers me is a when kids use racism as an excuse for every bad thing they do and end up learning nothing in life, which leads to a terrible future and makes them hatefull or ignorant people.
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I was just talking about this with some friends the other day.
I have a friend who has a couple kids and I'm trying to tell him that if he tells them the world will be against them because they're black when they're young it will most likely have a terrible affect on how they grow up. You tell a kid that society hates you because it's racist then every time a non black does anything negative it's racism to them. They're going to go through childhood thinking every non black teacher that sends them to the office or every non black citizen that gives them a hard time it's because of racism.
Is there racism? Of course, but every time a white does something to a black it isn't always racist. Some people are just assholes in general. Some people also may be looking out for your best interest by using tough love, but if you confuse tough love with racism than you'll never learn the right messages.
I have friends that do the stupidest things get in shit for it and then say it's because they were black. A know a guy that wasn't allowed to run for class president because he was a trouble case from day one, skipped class on a reg, told teachers to go suck themselves, had been in too many fights to count, suspended multiple times, and expelled in middle school, but according to him it was because he was black.
If I take a pole of all my black friends and separate the ones with that blame racist whites for their misfortunes with the ones that don't, 99% of the ones on the racism side have next to no promise in their future and 99% of the other side a good upstanding human beings that are either going places or are places.
Whether society is racist or not is not the issue. The point is if you think the world is against you because you're black, or whatever colour, and you live by that philosophy you set yourself up for failure because you give yourself an excuse for every bad thing you do.
the thing i see, is that its hard for other races to really speak on this stuff. Its basically impossible to know how it feels to be another race, and impossible to REALLY see things from their point of view. Its kind of like, if your mother died tomorrow and mine was still here. And you dealt with your pain in a certain way, and i tried to give u advice on how to deal with it. You wouldnt necessarily respect my opinion cus you would know that i know nothing about how it feels to be in your shoes. Like u said, its a fact....there is racism in this country. And its worse then most white people WANT to believe. Like i said, when u dont experience it...you dont notice it. And yeah, i would imagine that a lot of black folks have a bit of a chip on their shoulders about racism, and who wouldnt? Obviously there's all types of people (in every race). So you always have certain people who point the finger for EVERYthing. Just like a white person who might bring about some frivoulous law suit for something that was their own fault. Just like a white person who might blame the countries economy problems on illegal immigrants....etc. What people have to understand is that you have NO idea what its like to live in another persons shoes. We are all equal, but not all the same. And if our roles were reversed...we'd all act the same way other races act based on their experiences. Its probably a hard line to define between "not pointing the finger for racism" and "not taking any racism from anyone".
I see where you're coming from but in all fairness and honesty, I would gladly take any advice from you or anyone else on any subject if it's out of respect and if it's with good intentions. I've never been one of those fuck head "you can't understand what I've been though" losers. As for me on the racisim side, I grew up a white kid in a black area. I know a thing or two about being looked at as different and treated with prejudice. I also come from a Greek family that's been to Turkey, a country that enslaved the Greeks for a longer time than the US enslaved blacks, at about the same time (1400-1800). Let's not even get into the attempted genocides Turkey has tried. If I see a Turk or go to Turkey I could care less about all that.
You see we're talking about different things. You seeem to be talking about adult blacks not getting promoted or being looked st oddly in the white collar, I'm talking about children and teens who (true story) are banging on a door rather loudly in the middle of the day and calling the woman next door a racist for asking what's going on. I'm talking about telling a teacher to go suck her self, getting suspended and then blaming it on racism. I'm not talking about the developed adult mind. My point in this is to say that teaching a kid that when someone isn't nice to you or gets you in trouble they're racist is not good for them while they're developing. I'm basing this based on multiple people I know from both sides of that spectrum. And I'm saying it for their sake. Kids that grow up lie that only really hurt themselves. Do I hate being called racist? Yes, much more than being a victim of racism, but I could care less at the end of the day. What bothers me is a when kids use racism as an excuse for every bad thing they do and end up learning nothing in life, which leads to a terrible future and makes them hatefull or ignorant people.
you could take advice from someone without them knowing, being in, or having any real understanding of your situation. But at the same time, youd listen far more to someone who was actually IN your situation. Its normal, and anyone would. As for u knowing what its like to be treated "different", thats good. Everyone should KNOW what its like. Problem is, what we're talking about is on a FAR larger scale then just being different in your neighborhood u know? I feel what youre saying as far people pointing the finger for problems that THEY cause. Thats wrong, i agree. Thing is, its Americans that do that...not just black people. Americans point the blame at others for everything. Shit, apparently TV is the reason why theres so much violence. Rap music is the reason why white teens in the suburbs steal candy bars from the 7-11 lol. Iraq is the reason for 9-11....etc. Everything wrong, is always someone elses fault. You cant expect that black folks should be even BETTER then everyone else in the country when it comes to that shit. People do have to be responsible for themselves, i agree. Thing is, theres issues that minorities deal with that whites dont. And racism is definetely one of them in this country. Its almost like white people still have that mentality with black people where they want them to just smile and accept shit. Thats where the problem is. Just as you say its wrong for black people to point out things that might not be racist, as racist. Its equally as wrong for white people to pretend like there isnt racism, where there obviously is.
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I ain't black or white, but I wouldn't use the race card, because I think it's disrespectful to those who have been a victim
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I was just talking about this with some friends the other day.
I have a friend who has a couple kids and I'm trying to tell him that if he tells them the world will be against them because they're black when they're young it will most likely have a terrible affect on how they grow up. You tell a kid that society hates you because it's racist then every time a non black does anything negative it's racism to them. They're going to go through childhood thinking every non black teacher that sends them to the office or every non black citizen that gives them a hard time it's because of racism.
Is there racism? Of course, but every time a white does something to a black it isn't always racist. Some people are just assholes in general. Some people also may be looking out for your best interest by using tough love, but if you confuse tough love with racism than you'll never learn the right messages.
I have friends that do the stupidest things get in shit for it and then say it's because they were black. A know a guy that wasn't allowed to run for class president because he was a trouble case from day one, skipped class on a reg, told teachers to go suck themselves, had been in too many fights to count, suspended multiple times, and expelled in middle school, but according to him it was because he was black.
If I take a pole of all my black friends and separate the ones with that blame racist whites for their misfortunes with the ones that don't, 99% of the ones on the racism side have next to no promise in their future and 99% of the other side a good upstanding human beings that are either going places or are places.
Whether society is racist or not is not the issue. The point is if you think the world is against you because you're black, or whatever colour, and you live by that philosophy you set yourself up for failure because you give yourself an excuse for every bad thing you do.
the thing i see, is that its hard for other races to really speak on this stuff. Its basically impossible to know how it feels to be another race, and impossible to REALLY see things from their point of view. Its kind of like, if your mother died tomorrow and mine was still here. And you dealt with your pain in a certain way, and i tried to give u advice on how to deal with it. You wouldnt necessarily respect my opinion cus you would know that i know nothing about how it feels to be in your shoes. Like u said, its a fact....there is racism in this country. And its worse then most white people WANT to believe. Like i said, when u dont experience it...you dont notice it. And yeah, i would imagine that a lot of black folks have a bit of a chip on their shoulders about racism, and who wouldnt? Obviously there's all types of people (in every race). So you always have certain people who point the finger for EVERYthing. Just like a white person who might bring about some frivoulous law suit for something that was their own fault. Just like a white person who might blame the countries economy problems on illegal immigrants....etc. What people have to understand is that you have NO idea what its like to live in another persons shoes. We are all equal, but not all the same. And if our roles were reversed...we'd all act the same way other races act based on their experiences. Its probably a hard line to define between "not pointing the finger for racism" and "not taking any racism from anyone".
I see where you're coming from but in all fairness and honesty, I would gladly take any advice from you or anyone else on any subject if it's out of respect and if it's with good intentions. I've never been one of those fuck head "you can't understand what I've been though" losers. As for me on the racisim side, I grew up a white kid in a black area. I know a thing or two about being looked at as different and treated with prejudice. I also come from a Greek family that's been to Turkey, a country that enslaved the Greeks for a longer time than the US enslaved blacks, at about the same time (1400-1800). Let's not even get into the attempted genocides Turkey has tried. If I see a Turk or go to Turkey I could care less about all that.
You see we're talking about different things. You seeem to be talking about adult blacks not getting promoted or being looked st oddly in the white collar, I'm talking about children and teens who (true story) are banging on a door rather loudly in the middle of the day and calling the woman next door a racist for asking what's going on. I'm talking about telling a teacher to go suck her self, getting suspended and then blaming it on racism. I'm not talking about the developed adult mind. My point in this is to say that teaching a kid that when someone isn't nice to you or gets you in trouble they're racist is not good for them while they're developing. I'm basing this based on multiple people I know from both sides of that spectrum. And I'm saying it for their sake. Kids that grow up lie that only really hurt themselves. Do I hate being called racist? Yes, much more than being a victim of racism, but I could care less at the end of the day. What bothers me is a when kids use racism as an excuse for every bad thing they do and end up learning nothing in life, which leads to a terrible future and makes them hatefull or ignorant people.
you could take advice from someone without them knowing, being in, or having any real understanding of your situation. But at the same time, youd listen far more to someone who was actually IN your situation. Its normal, and anyone would. As for u knowing what its like to be treated "different", thats good. Everyone should KNOW what its like. Problem is, what we're talking about is on a FAR larger scale then just being different in your neighborhood u know? I feel what youre saying as far people pointing the finger for problems that THEY cause. Thats wrong, i agree. Thing is, its Americans that do that...not just black people. Americans point the blame at others for everything. Shit, apparently TV is the reason why theres so much violence. Rap music is the reason why white teens in the suburbs steal candy bars from the 7-11 lol. Iraq is the reason for 9-11....etc. Everything wrong, is always someone elses fault. You cant expect that black folks should be even BETTER then everyone else in the country when it comes to that shit. People do have to be responsible for themselves, i agree. Thing is, theres issues that minorities deal with that whites dont. And racism is definetely one of them in this country. Its almost like white people still have that mentality with black people where they want them to just smile and accept shit. Thats where the problem is. Just as you say its wrong for black people to point out things that might not be racist, as racist. Its equally as wrong for white people to pretend like there isnt racism, where there obviously is.
I don't disagree with anything you said. Also, I meant to write that my situation in the neighborhood is nothig like the issue in the US with blacks. However, the family I come from is not that different. My grandfather came here from Greece with his family in the late 50s. His grandfather was a slave. He left Greece because after two wars and a huge nation reform the propaganda spread by the US and Canada at the time made it seem like North America was the place to be. Farm land as far as the eye can see. Problem was there wasn't too much farm land in Toronto. But there was a surplus of remedial jobs. So upon coming here, instead of huge farms that you can grow anything on, he got placed in a ghetto and forced to work in either labour or labour. When he got to the immigration office and said his name "Epaminondas", the white Canadians told him it wouldn't work here so they gave him the name Peter. His friend was Thanasee Haridopoulos, which became Tom Harris to sound more Canadian. My grandfather was close to 60 at the time so labour wasn't going to fit him too well. Instead he took a job in night security while his children dropped out of school to work during the day. The family had system, whatever money you make you bring home and give it to him. My father who was making 150 a week in the 60s while the rest of the fam was making between 35 and 50 had to give it all to his father and came out with maybe 10 bucks at the end of the week for himself. With no education and thick accents anthing outside of construction or house painting wasn't possible, unless you wanted to take the chance of opening a restaurant (something that later became very profitable for a number of Greek families but hurt many others). Belive me when I tell you the difference between being an immigrant back then and being black now isn't all that different. The whites can tell the difference and they can certainly hear the difference between themselves and Greek at the time. I can pass and my hardships are nothing, but I've seen the same hardships as current blacks in the eyes of my grandfather. And he had seen the hardships of pre and post 1860 blacks in the eyes of his grandfather.
That being said. I don't think and never meant to imply that only blacks blame hardships or problems on other things, but that was the issue at hand in this thread. However I feel that the way blacks do it hurts them in a way that many others were able to fight off. The Greeks sasid the same thing when they first came, so did the Italians and Japanese, and Chinese, but what they also did was say because I'm Greel, Itlaian, Chinese etc I'm going to overcome this. They have such a strong sense of culture and heritage they stayed strong and built themselves up as a community. Now every race has their problems, and a large share of them. For every black man that gets killed in the US there are 2.9 white men that kill themselves. There are huge smuggling issues with people in the Asian community. Etc, etc. The bottom line is that I truly believe that blackscan fix their problems at home by banding together for the greater good and leaning on each other. Can they become as rich as the upper class whites? No, but 95% of whites can't either.
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I was just talking about this with some friends the other day.
I have a friend who has a couple kids and I'm trying to tell him that if he tells them the world will be against them because they're black when they're young it will most likely have a terrible affect on how they grow up. You tell a kid that society hates you because it's racist then every time a non black does anything negative it's racism to them. They're going to go through childhood thinking every non black teacher that sends them to the office or every non black citizen that gives them a hard time it's because of racism.
Is there racism? Of course, but every time a white does something to a black it isn't always racist. Some people are just assholes in general. Some people also may be looking out for your best interest by using tough love, but if you confuse tough love with racism than you'll never learn the right messages.
I have friends that do the stupidest things get in shit for it and then say it's because they were black. A know a guy that wasn't allowed to run for class president because he was a trouble case from day one, skipped class on a reg, told teachers to go suck themselves, had been in too many fights to count, suspended multiple times, and expelled in middle school, but according to him it was because he was black.
If I take a pole of all my black friends and separate the ones with that blame racist whites for their misfortunes with the ones that don't, 99% of the ones on the racism side have next to no promise in their future and 99% of the other side a good upstanding human beings that are either going places or are places.
Whether society is racist or not is not the issue. The point is if you think the world is against you because you're black, or whatever colour, and you live by that philosophy you set yourself up for failure because you give yourself an excuse for every bad thing you do.
the thing i see, is that its hard for other races to really speak on this stuff. Its basically impossible to know how it feels to be another race, and impossible to REALLY see things from their point of view. Its kind of like, if your mother died tomorrow and mine was still here. And you dealt with your pain in a certain way, and i tried to give u advice on how to deal with it. You wouldnt necessarily respect my opinion cus you would know that i know nothing about how it feels to be in your shoes. Like u said, its a fact....there is racism in this country. And its worse then most white people WANT to believe. Like i said, when u dont experience it...you dont notice it. And yeah, i would imagine that a lot of black folks have a bit of a chip on their shoulders about racism, and who wouldnt? Obviously there's all types of people (in every race). So you always have certain people who point the finger for EVERYthing. Just like a white person who might bring about some frivoulous law suit for something that was their own fault. Just like a white person who might blame the countries economy problems on illegal immigrants....etc. What people have to understand is that you have NO idea what its like to live in another persons shoes. We are all equal, but not all the same. And if our roles were reversed...we'd all act the same way other races act based on their experiences. Its probably a hard line to define between "not pointing the finger for racism" and "not taking any racism from anyone".
I see where you're coming from but in all fairness and honesty, I would gladly take any advice from you or anyone else on any subject if it's out of respect and if it's with good intentions. I've never been one of those fuck head "you can't understand what I've been though" losers. As for me on the racisim side, I grew up a white kid in a black area. I know a thing or two about being looked at as different and treated with prejudice. I also come from a Greek family that's been to Turkey, a country that enslaved the Greeks for a longer time than the US enslaved blacks, at about the same time (1400-1800). Let's not even get into the attempted genocides Turkey has tried. If I see a Turk or go to Turkey I could care less about all that.
You see we're talking about different things. You seeem to be talking about adult blacks not getting promoted or being looked st oddly in the white collar, I'm talking about children and teens who (true story) are banging on a door rather loudly in the middle of the day and calling the woman next door a racist for asking what's going on. I'm talking about telling a teacher to go suck her self, getting suspended and then blaming it on racism. I'm not talking about the developed adult mind. My point in this is to say that teaching a kid that when someone isn't nice to you or gets you in trouble they're racist is not good for them while they're developing. I'm basing this based on multiple people I know from both sides of that spectrum. And I'm saying it for their sake. Kids that grow up lie that only really hurt themselves. Do I hate being called racist? Yes, much more than being a victim of racism, but I could care less at the end of the day. What bothers me is a when kids use racism as an excuse for every bad thing they do and end up learning nothing in life, which leads to a terrible future and makes them hatefull or ignorant people.
you could take advice from someone without them knowing, being in, or having any real understanding of your situation. But at the same time, youd listen far more to someone who was actually IN your situation. Its normal, and anyone would. As for u knowing what its like to be treated "different", thats good. Everyone should KNOW what its like. Problem is, what we're talking about is on a FAR larger scale then just being different in your neighborhood u know? I feel what youre saying as far people pointing the finger for problems that THEY cause. Thats wrong, i agree. Thing is, its Americans that do that...not just black people. Americans point the blame at others for everything. Shit, apparently TV is the reason why theres so much violence. Rap music is the reason why white teens in the suburbs steal candy bars from the 7-11 lol. Iraq is the reason for 9-11....etc. Everything wrong, is always someone elses fault. You cant expect that black folks should be even BETTER then everyone else in the country when it comes to that shit. People do have to be responsible for themselves, i agree. Thing is, theres issues that minorities deal with that whites dont. And racism is definetely one of them in this country. Its almost like white people still have that mentality with black people where they want them to just smile and accept shit. Thats where the problem is. Just as you say its wrong for black people to point out things that might not be racist, as racist. Its equally as wrong for white people to pretend like there isnt racism, where there obviously is.
That being said. I don't think and never meant to imply that only blacks blame hardships or problems on other things, but that was the issue at hand in this thread. However I feel that the way blacks do it hurts them in a way that many others were able to fight off. The Greeks sasid the same thing when they first came, so did the Italians and Japanese, and Chinese, but what they also did was say because I'm Greel, Itlaian, Chinese etc I'm going to overcome this. They have such a strong sense of culture and heritage they stayed strong and built themselves up as a community. Now every race has their problems, and a large share of them. For every black man that gets killed in the US there are 2.9 white men that kill themselves. There are huge smuggling issues with people in the Asian community. Etc, etc. The bottom line is that I truly believe that blackscan fix their problems at home by banding together for the greater good and leaning on each other. Can they become as rich as the upper class whites? No, but 95% of whites can't either.
Every other minority group in this country, other then Black and Native American...have come here on their own. Those immigrants would naturally have a FAR stronger sense of culture, because their culture was never stolen from them like Blacks and Native Americans were in this country. Mexicans have Mexican culture. Their ancestors, grandparents, parents...or even themselves are FROM mexico. Asians...the same. Italians...the same. Greeks...the same. Black peoples ancestors, are African. But Black people, are not African. You see? Because of slavery, there was a whole NEW culture created basically which would only be a couple hundred years old. Not to mention, a culture that was not developed by choice, but by force from an outside race. So you could understand how it would hard, and even confuzing for an entire "culture" of people to have a real grasp of who they are, what they are, or what theyre capable of under those conditions. The entire black "culture" was started during slavery (before that point, there was no "black people", only African people) and not really allowed to grow in this country until this century, without even having the same rights as others in this country until 40 yrs ago. So for white people to turn around now, and say..."just do it yourself" is fucking amazing. If I were to take a group of 10 infants. And raise them from birth. Say the only difference between the infants were that 5 had blond hair, and 5 had brown hair. I allowed the 5 blond haired children to have their freedom. I allowed them to play. I taught them things...how to speak...how to read. How to interact with other people. Encouraged them. Gave them love and built up their self-esteem so they could be strong adults. Then, at the same time did the opposite with the 5 brown haired infants. I locked them indoors. Taught them nothing. Did not teach them how to speak, how to read, anything. They were beaten for even attempting to learn on their own. They were told they were inferior. They were nothing. And that they could not survive when they became adults without the blond haired kids to take care of them. By the time all of these kids became adults, what kind of effect would those years have on them? And we're talking a time span of only 10-15 yrs. Imagine this being done for generations. And now, within the last 30 yrs or so....telling the brown haired kids to quit complaining, and work your way up.
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I always say "it's because im foreign right ! you rascist ! " ;D
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Every other minority group in this country, other then Black and Native American...have come here on their own. Those immigrants would naturally have a FAR stronger sense of culture, because their culture was never stolen from them like Blacks and Native Americans were in this country. Mexicans have Mexican culture. Their ancestors, grandparents, parents...or even themselves are FROM mexico. Asians...the same. Italians...the same. Greeks...the same. Black peoples ancestors, are African. But Black people, are not African. You see? Because of slavery, there was a whole NEW culture created basically which would only be a couple hundred years old. Not to mention, a culture that was not developed by choice, but by force from an outside race. So you could understand how it would hard, and even confuzing for an entire "culture" of people to have a real grasp of who they are, what they are, or what theyre capable of under those conditions. The entire black "culture" was started during slavery (before that point, there was no "black people", only African people) and not really allowed to grow in this country until this century, without even having the same rights as others in this country until 40 yrs ago. So for white people to turn around now, and say..."just do it yourself" is fucking amazing. If I were to take a group of 10 infants. And raise them from birth. Say the only difference between the infants were that 5 had blond hair, and 5 had brown hair. I allowed the 5 blond haired children to have their freedom. I allowed them to play. I taught them things...how to speak...how to read. How to interact with other people. Encouraged them. Gave them love and built up their self-esteem so they could be strong adults. Then, at the same time did the opposite with the 5 brown haired infants. I locked them indoors. Taught them nothing. Did not teach them how to speak, how to read, anything. They were beaten for even attempting to learn on their own. They were told they were inferior. They were nothing. And that they could not survive when they became adults without the blond haired kids to take care of them. By the time all of these kids became adults, what kind of effect would those years have on them? And we're talking a time span of only 10-15 yrs. Imagine this being done for generations. And now, within the last 30 yrs or so....telling the brown haired kids to quit complaining, and work your way up.
It happened in Greece. The Muslims enslaved them for 400 years, forced their language and religion on them, worked them like pigs. Greece revolted and got most of their land back. Their culture didn't suffer because from day one of slavery they had created underground schools and churches to retain their heritage. Why the greeks were able to hold on to their culture while the blacks weren't, I don't know. Maybe a lot of different African slaves came from different parts of Africa with different cultures.
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Every other minority group in this country, other then Black and Native American...have come here on their own. Those immigrants would naturally have a FAR stronger sense of culture, because their culture was never stolen from them like Blacks and Native Americans were in this country. Mexicans have Mexican culture. Their ancestors, grandparents, parents...or even themselves are FROM mexico. Asians...the same. Italians...the same. Greeks...the same. Black peoples ancestors, are African. But Black people, are not African. You see? Because of slavery, there was a whole NEW culture created basically which would only be a couple hundred years old. Not to mention, a culture that was not developed by choice, but by force from an outside race. So you could understand how it would hard, and even confuzing for an entire "culture" of people to have a real grasp of who they are, what they are, or what theyre capable of under those conditions. The entire black "culture" was started during slavery (before that point, there was no "black people", only African people) and not really allowed to grow in this country until this century, without even having the same rights as others in this country until 40 yrs ago. So for white people to turn around now, and say..."just do it yourself" is fucking amazing. If I were to take a group of 10 infants. And raise them from birth. Say the only difference between the infants were that 5 had blond hair, and 5 had brown hair. I allowed the 5 blond haired children to have their freedom. I allowed them to play. I taught them things...how to speak...how to read. How to interact with other people. Encouraged them. Gave them love and built up their self-esteem so they could be strong adults. Then, at the same time did the opposite with the 5 brown haired infants. I locked them indoors. Taught them nothing. Did not teach them how to speak, how to read, anything. They were beaten for even attempting to learn on their own. They were told they were inferior. They were nothing. And that they could not survive when they became adults without the blond haired kids to take care of them. By the time all of these kids became adults, what kind of effect would those years have on them? And we're talking a time span of only 10-15 yrs. Imagine this being done for generations. And now, within the last 30 yrs or so....telling the brown haired kids to quit complaining, and work your way up.
It happened in Greece. The Muslims enslaved them for 400 years, forced their language and religion on them, worked them like pigs. Greece revolted and got most of their land back. Their culture didn't suffer because from day one of slavery they had created underground schools and churches to retain their heritage. Why the greeks were able to hold on to their culture while the blacks weren't, I don't know. Maybe a lot of different African slaves came from different parts of Africa with different cultures.
it would be easier to hold down your shit on home turf, rather than on foreign land where there seems like there is no hope.
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Every other minority group in this country, other then Black and Native American...have come here on their own. Those immigrants would naturally have a FAR stronger sense of culture, because their culture was never stolen from them like Blacks and Native Americans were in this country. Mexicans have Mexican culture. Their ancestors, grandparents, parents...or even themselves are FROM mexico. Asians...the same. Italians...the same. Greeks...the same. Black peoples ancestors, are African. But Black people, are not African. You see? Because of slavery, there was a whole NEW culture created basically which would only be a couple hundred years old. Not to mention, a culture that was not developed by choice, but by force from an outside race. So you could understand how it would hard, and even confuzing for an entire "culture" of people to have a real grasp of who they are, what they are, or what theyre capable of under those conditions. The entire black "culture" was started during slavery (before that point, there was no "black people", only African people) and not really allowed to grow in this country until this century, without even having the same rights as others in this country until 40 yrs ago. So for white people to turn around now, and say..."just do it yourself" is fucking amazing. If I were to take a group of 10 infants. And raise them from birth. Say the only difference between the infants were that 5 had blond hair, and 5 had brown hair. I allowed the 5 blond haired children to have their freedom. I allowed them to play. I taught them things...how to speak...how to read. How to interact with other people. Encouraged them. Gave them love and built up their self-esteem so they could be strong adults. Then, at the same time did the opposite with the 5 brown haired infants. I locked them indoors. Taught them nothing. Did not teach them how to speak, how to read, anything. They were beaten for even attempting to learn on their own. They were told they were inferior. They were nothing. And that they could not survive when they became adults without the blond haired kids to take care of them. By the time all of these kids became adults, what kind of effect would those years have on them? And we're talking a time span of only 10-15 yrs. Imagine this being done for generations. And now, within the last 30 yrs or so....telling the brown haired kids to quit complaining, and work your way up.
It happened in Greece. The Muslims enslaved them for 400 years, forced their language and religion on them, worked them like pigs. Greece revolted and got most of their land back. Their culture didn't suffer because from day one of slavery they had created underground schools and churches to retain their heritage. Why the greeks were able to hold on to their culture while the blacks weren't, I don't know. Maybe a lot of different African slaves came from different parts of Africa with different cultures.
it would be easier to hold down your shit on home turf, rather than on foreign land where there seems like there is no hope.
I've never been a slave for 400 years in either way so I wouldn't know. How is the progress of Africans in Africa who were once slaves? (not a rhetorical question)
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shiiiiiiiit always some shit goin down about brother, haha.....
nah but for real, i didnt read much of the thread at all cuz i couldbt be bothered but truth is......if anyone of y'all think live we live in a world with equality for all races and that white boys aint on top of the food chain, y'all livin in another planet.
anyways to the question, naaaaaaaa never would i use the is it because im black or cuz he was racist line unless it was truth, fuck a excuse.
speakin of blacks in africa, niggaz be looked down in the own back yard their, its worse in some places, nigga still be used as slaves, check southafrica, white boys on top of the food chain even in that muthafuckin region, its just old dumb beleifs that if u got dark skin, like a brother u aint shit.
my post make some of y'all white dudes who be touchy a lil pink but for those who u realise my post aint tryna diss white ppl, u know.....thats my opinion. i aint racist, i aint got no hate towards another race but i also know wat up.
oh and i think it aint really fair for someone of another race to try and speak for another race
pz
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oh and i think it aint really fair for someone of another race to try and speak for another race
pz
If that were the case then you wouldn't be able to speak about whites, based on your logic.
Anyway, I agree with you more or less. Of course there's racism and of course it's easier for a white guy to succeed than a black guy in the rich world, North America and Europe anyway. However I also think it's be easier for a black guy from a well to do family to succedd than a white hick from the back woods. But anyway, I have no problem acknowledging the racism in the white collar world. What I don't understand is what white people can do to make black teenage thugs from getting teen girls preganant, stabbing and shooting their peers, skipping school to smoke weed and drink, and basically waste their lives. I feel that can only be solved by the 25+ year old black males that have been though that and realize it's stupid. Of course they don't do that, in the ghetto at least, instead that not only condone that behaviour but the reward it with praise and respect. That has to stop, because no black preacher, black single mother, black father, black schoolteacher or black principal can solve the problem as a whole. As long as the young gangsers look up to the old gangsters they are headed for doom.
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Every other minority group in this country, other then Black and Native American...have come here on their own. Those immigrants would naturally have a FAR stronger sense of culture, because their culture was never stolen from them like Blacks and Native Americans were in this country. Mexicans have Mexican culture. Their ancestors, grandparents, parents...or even themselves are FROM mexico. Asians...the same. Italians...the same. Greeks...the same. Black peoples ancestors, are African. But Black people, are not African. You see? Because of slavery, there was a whole NEW culture created basically which would only be a couple hundred years old. Not to mention, a culture that was not developed by choice, but by force from an outside race. So you could understand how it would hard, and even confuzing for an entire "culture" of people to have a real grasp of who they are, what they are, or what theyre capable of under those conditions. The entire black "culture" was started during slavery (before that point, there was no "black people", only African people) and not really allowed to grow in this country until this century, without even having the same rights as others in this country until 40 yrs ago. So for white people to turn around now, and say..."just do it yourself" is fucking amazing. If I were to take a group of 10 infants. And raise them from birth. Say the only difference between the infants were that 5 had blond hair, and 5 had brown hair. I allowed the 5 blond haired children to have their freedom. I allowed them to play. I taught them things...how to speak...how to read. How to interact with other people. Encouraged them. Gave them love and built up their self-esteem so they could be strong adults. Then, at the same time did the opposite with the 5 brown haired infants. I locked them indoors. Taught them nothing. Did not teach them how to speak, how to read, anything. They were beaten for even attempting to learn on their own. They were told they were inferior. They were nothing. And that they could not survive when they became adults without the blond haired kids to take care of them. By the time all of these kids became adults, what kind of effect would those years have on them? And we're talking a time span of only 10-15 yrs. Imagine this being done for generations. And now, within the last 30 yrs or so....telling the brown haired kids to quit complaining, and work your way up.
It happened in Greece. The Muslims enslaved them for 400 years, forced their language and religion on them, worked them like pigs. Greece revolted and got most of their land back. Their culture didn't suffer because from day one of slavery they had created underground schools and churches to retain their heritage. Why the greeks were able to hold on to their culture while the blacks weren't, I don't know. Maybe a lot of different African slaves came from different parts of Africa with different cultures.
Like someone else said, those were Greek People in Greece. Not the same as Africans in America. Theres obviously a different effect to being taken captive to a foriegn land and having a new culture, religion, etc forced upon you. Once "slavery" ended these werent Africans in Africa. They were Black people in America. The Greeks were still Greek, in Greece. Basically, the bottom line is this. If you believe that all people are created equal, then you also agree that the differences between how we act in this society are based on the experiences that each one of us, or our particular "group" has had. And if we are created equal, then any of our "groups" would react the same way if dealing with eachothers situations. Best believe if American White people were kidnapped and taken to Africa as slaves for the same amount of time at the same period in time. They would lose all of their culture as well. They would becomete People in Africa, not Americans anymore. On the other hand, if you (not YOU personally, just anyone on here) want to generalize and critisize an entire race for their behavior...then White people have been by far, without a shadow of a doubt, the most evil people on the planet lol. I dont believe that, but look at their history of destruction. By the way, im half white myself. I just know that everyones situation is different. And yes, some people in this world or country are in a worse situation then others...people need to know where they are on that scale and not pretend that they would "do a better job IF they were in someone elses shoes".
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Every other minority group in this country, other then Black and Native American...have come here on their own. Those immigrants would naturally have a FAR stronger sense of culture, because their culture was never stolen from them like Blacks and Native Americans were in this country. Mexicans have Mexican culture. Their ancestors, grandparents, parents...or even themselves are FROM mexico. Asians...the same. Italians...the same. Greeks...the same. Black peoples ancestors, are African. But Black people, are not African. You see? Because of slavery, there was a whole NEW culture created basically which would only be a couple hundred years old. Not to mention, a culture that was not developed by choice, but by force from an outside race. So you could understand how it would hard, and even confuzing for an entire "culture" of people to have a real grasp of who they are, what they are, or what theyre capable of under those conditions. The entire black "culture" was started during slavery (before that point, there was no "black people", only African people) and not really allowed to grow in this country until this century, without even having the same rights as others in this country until 40 yrs ago. So for white people to turn around now, and say..."just do it yourself" is fucking amazing. If I were to take a group of 10 infants. And raise them from birth. Say the only difference between the infants were that 5 had blond hair, and 5 had brown hair. I allowed the 5 blond haired children to have their freedom. I allowed them to play. I taught them things...how to speak...how to read. How to interact with other people. Encouraged them. Gave them love and built up their self-esteem so they could be strong adults. Then, at the same time did the opposite with the 5 brown haired infants. I locked them indoors. Taught them nothing. Did not teach them how to speak, how to read, anything. They were beaten for even attempting to learn on their own. They were told they were inferior. They were nothing. And that they could not survive when they became adults without the blond haired kids to take care of them. By the time all of these kids became adults, what kind of effect would those years have on them? And we're talking a time span of only 10-15 yrs. Imagine this being done for generations. And now, within the last 30 yrs or so....telling the brown haired kids to quit complaining, and work your way up.
It happened in Greece. The Muslims enslaved them for 400 years, forced their language and religion on them, worked them like pigs. Greece revolted and got most of their land back. Their culture didn't suffer because from day one of slavery they had created underground schools and churches to retain their heritage. Why the greeks were able to hold on to their culture while the blacks weren't, I don't know. Maybe a lot of different African slaves came from different parts of Africa with different cultures.
Like someone else said, those were Greek People in Greece. Not the same as Africans in America. Theres obviously a different effect to being taken captive to a foriegn land and having a new culture, religion, etc forced upon you. Once "slavery" ended these werent Africans in Africa. They were Black people in America. The Greeks were still Greek, in Greece. Basically, the bottom line is this. If you believe that all people are created equal, then you also agree that the differences between how we act in this society are based on the experiences that each one of us, or our particular "group" has had. And if we are created equal, then any of our "groups" would react the same way if dealing with eachothers situations. Best believe if American White people were kidnapped and taken to Africa as slaves for the same amount of time at the same period in time. They would lose all of their culture as well. They would becomete People in Africa, not Americans anymore. On the other hand, if you (not YOU personally, just anyone on here) want to generalize and critisize an entire race for their behavior...then White people have been by far, without a shadow of a doubt, the most evil people on the planet lol. I dont believe that, but look at their history of destruction. By the way, im half white myself. I just know that everyones situation is different. And yes, some people in this world or country are in a worse situation then others...people need to know where they are on that scale and not pretend that they would "do a better job IF they were in someone elses shoes".
I don't know exactly what the problem is oir how to fix it, but when I look at the black population up here in Canada I notice that the black kids in Toronto are crime driven hooligans (not all, or even most, but some). They live the street life and all that business. 90% of the blacks in Canada weren't even here 30 years ago. Most of the them came from the carribean in the late 60s and ealy 70s. The 10% or so that have lived here for hundreds of years were and are mainly in Nova Scotia. I'm not sure if you've seen it on Oprah when they did a special on Canadian blacks but you should see what a group that comes together can accomplish. They had to battle racism the same way, they were slaves from down south seeking refuge, and they came to Nova Scotia stuck together and lifted themselves up. They act and speak like any other east coast Canadian. They have extremely low crime and murder rates, as well as next to no unemployment. They didn't become like this because of hand outs, or affirmative action (neither of which I am opposed to, I'm just saying). They simply leaned on each other and worked with the their white neighbours to builde a strong community.
I'm not sure how it is in the US every where, but from what I understand there are places in the south where they have striving black communities as well. Bottom line is it can happen.
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why do we call blacks "Folks" when we would never use that word in daily life ever?
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why do we call blacks "Folks" when we would never use that word in daily life ever?
I use the word "folks" in my vocabulary. Not to describe blacks, but in general.
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why do we call blacks "Folks" when we would never use that word in daily life ever?
i use that word everyday...
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why do we call blacks "Folks" when we would never use that word in daily life ever?
we ?
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Every other minority group in this country, other then Black and Native American...have come here on their own. Those immigrants would naturally have a FAR stronger sense of culture, because their culture was never stolen from them like Blacks and Native Americans were in this country. Mexicans have Mexican culture. Their ancestors, grandparents, parents...or even themselves are FROM mexico. Asians...the same. Italians...the same. Greeks...the same. Black peoples ancestors, are African. But Black people, are not African. You see? Because of slavery, there was a whole NEW culture created basically which would only be a couple hundred years old. Not to mention, a culture that was not developed by choice, but by force from an outside race. So you could understand how it would hard, and even confuzing for an entire "culture" of people to have a real grasp of who they are, what they are, or what theyre capable of under those conditions. The entire black "culture" was started during slavery (before that point, there was no "black people", only African people) and not really allowed to grow in this country until this century, without even having the same rights as others in this country until 40 yrs ago. So for white people to turn around now, and say..."just do it yourself" is fucking amazing. If I were to take a group of 10 infants. And raise them from birth. Say the only difference between the infants were that 5 had blond hair, and 5 had brown hair. I allowed the 5 blond haired children to have their freedom. I allowed them to play. I taught them things...how to speak...how to read. How to interact with other people. Encouraged them. Gave them love and built up their self-esteem so they could be strong adults. Then, at the same time did the opposite with the 5 brown haired infants. I locked them indoors. Taught them nothing. Did not teach them how to speak, how to read, anything. They were beaten for even attempting to learn on their own. They were told they were inferior. They were nothing. And that they could not survive when they became adults without the blond haired kids to take care of them. By the time all of these kids became adults, what kind of effect would those years have on them? And we're talking a time span of only 10-15 yrs. Imagine this being done for generations. And now, within the last 30 yrs or so....telling the brown haired kids to quit complaining, and work your way up.
It happened in Greece. The Muslims enslaved them for 400 years, forced their language and religion on them, worked them like pigs. Greece revolted and got most of their land back. Their culture didn't suffer because from day one of slavery they had created underground schools and churches to retain their heritage. Why the greeks were able to hold on to their culture while the blacks weren't, I don't know. Maybe a lot of different African slaves came from different parts of Africa with different cultures.
Like someone else said, those were Greek People in Greece. Not the same as Africans in America. Theres obviously a different effect to being taken captive to a foriegn land and having a new culture, religion, etc forced upon you. Once "slavery" ended these werent Africans in Africa. They were Black people in America. The Greeks were still Greek, in Greece. Basically, the bottom line is this. If you believe that all people are created equal, then you also agree that the differences between how we act in this society are based on the experiences that each one of us, or our particular "group" has had. And if we are created equal, then any of our "groups" would react the same way if dealing with eachothers situations. Best believe if American White people were kidnapped and taken to Africa as slaves for the same amount of time at the same period in time. They would lose all of their culture as well. They would becomete People in Africa, not Americans anymore. On the other hand, if you (not YOU personally, just anyone on here) want to generalize and critisize an entire race for their behavior...then White people have been by far, without a shadow of a doubt, the most evil people on the planet lol. I dont believe that, but look at their history of destruction. By the way, im half white myself. I just know that everyones situation is different. And yes, some people in this world or country are in a worse situation then others...people need to know where they are on that scale and not pretend that they would "do a better job IF they were in someone elses shoes".
I don't know exactly what the problem is oir how to fix it, but when I look at the black population up here in Canada I notice that the black kids in Toronto are crime driven hooligans (not all, or even most, but some). They live the street life and all that business. 90% of the blacks in Canada weren't even here 30 years ago. Most of the them came from the carribean in the late 60s and ealy 70s. The 10% or so that have lived here for hundreds of years were and are mainly in Nova Scotia. I'm not sure if you've seen it on Oprah when they did a special on Canadian blacks but you should see what a group that comes together can accomplish. They had to battle racism the same way, they were slaves from down south seeking refuge, and they came to Nova Scotia stuck together and lifted themselves up. They act and speak like any other east coast Canadian. They have extremely low crime and murder rates, as well as next to no unemployment. They didn't become like this because of hand outs, or affirmative action (neither of which I am opposed to, I'm just saying). They simply leaned on each other and worked with the their white neighbours to builde a strong community.
I'm not sure how it is in the US every where, but from what I understand there are places in the south where they have striving black communities as well. Bottom line is it can happen.
bottom line is, if it can happen...why isnt it? Like i said before, do you agree that we are are born equal? If you do, then you have to admit that the reason why this progress isnt taking place isnt necassarily because the people dont want it. Or else youre saying that if you were in the same situation youd act the same (remember, the equality part. lol). I cant speak on Canada, its a completely different country then the US. Like you said, i know Toronto has a very big population of people from the Carribbean. I dont think i know one person from the Carribbean lol.
To me, its just funny that people cant see that there is a problem here. And it isnt that minorities, or black people for our argument LIKE living in poverty, its that theyve been forced too for so long and only very recently had the same rights as whites in this country. Every country out there has wealthy, and poor people. Why in America is there such a dispairity between races? You cant honestly believe that one race works harder then the other. Thats fuckin ridiculous. Like i said, where i work im in charge of hiring/firing...etc. Ive had everybody work for me from white to black to hispanic to asian to middle eastern and even african. And by FAR, the worse workers were the white people. Most of them didnt want to work. Mommy and Daddy were just making them or some shit. And once they went to college, they were made to quit their job because Mom and Dad were going to take care of them. Others didnt have that luxury. So there has to be something else thats holding certain people back in this country. Anyways, im getting kinda tired of this subject and its only going back n forth...without really going anywhere lol. The way i see things is this. White people in this country (in the past) have created exactly what they wanted, a country for them...ran by them. they used others in order to create that, and now they have to deal with those "others". They dont want to, but have to. Its such a cop out to say "pull yourself up", when youre the one on top. Especially, when most of the time you didnt even work your way there. To expect others to work 10 times as hard as you, to get where youre at...and then critisize them for failing is bullshit. If the roles were reversed we would all go through the same struggles as everyone else. If a white person can tell a black person that they need to look at themself as the problem for why they are where they are. Then that same white person needs to look at themself, because like they say if youre not part of the solution...youre part of the problem.
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Every other minority group in this country, other then Black and Native American...have come here on their own. Those immigrants would naturally have a FAR stronger sense of culture, because their culture was never stolen from them like Blacks and Native Americans were in this country. Mexicans have Mexican culture. Their ancestors, grandparents, parents...or even themselves are FROM mexico. Asians...the same. Italians...the same. Greeks...the same. Black peoples ancestors, are African. But Black people, are not African. You see? Because of slavery, there was a whole NEW culture created basically which would only be a couple hundred years old. Not to mention, a culture that was not developed by choice, but by force from an outside race. So you could understand how it would hard, and even confuzing for an entire "culture" of people to have a real grasp of who they are, what they are, or what theyre capable of under those conditions. The entire black "culture" was started during slavery (before that point, there was no "black people", only African people) and not really allowed to grow in this country until this century, without even having the same rights as others in this country until 40 yrs ago. So for white people to turn around now, and say..."just do it yourself" is fucking amazing. If I were to take a group of 10 infants. And raise them from birth. Say the only difference between the infants were that 5 had blond hair, and 5 had brown hair. I allowed the 5 blond haired children to have their freedom. I allowed them to play. I taught them things...how to speak...how to read. How to interact with other people. Encouraged them. Gave them love and built up their self-esteem so they could be strong adults. Then, at the same time did the opposite with the 5 brown haired infants. I locked them indoors. Taught them nothing. Did not teach them how to speak, how to read, anything. They were beaten for even attempting to learn on their own. They were told they were inferior. They were nothing. And that they could not survive when they became adults without the blond haired kids to take care of them. By the time all of these kids became adults, what kind of effect would those years have on them? And we're talking a time span of only 10-15 yrs. Imagine this being done for generations. And now, within the last 30 yrs or so....telling the brown haired kids to quit complaining, and work your way up.
It happened in Greece. The Muslims enslaved them for 400 years, forced their language and religion on them, worked them like pigs. Greece revolted and got most of their land back. Their culture didn't suffer because from day one of slavery they had created underground schools and churches to retain their heritage. Why the greeks were able to hold on to their culture while the blacks weren't, I don't know. Maybe a lot of different African slaves came from different parts of Africa with different cultures.
Like someone else said, those were Greek People in Greece. Not the same as Africans in America. Theres obviously a different effect to being taken captive to a foriegn land and having a new culture, religion, etc forced upon you. Once "slavery" ended these werent Africans in Africa. They were Black people in America. The Greeks were still Greek, in Greece. Basically, the bottom line is this. If you believe that all people are created equal, then you also agree that the differences between how we act in this society are based on the experiences that each one of us, or our particular "group" has had. And if we are created equal, then any of our "groups" would react the same way if dealing with eachothers situations. Best believe if American White people were kidnapped and taken to Africa as slaves for the same amount of time at the same period in time. They would lose all of their culture as well. They would becomete People in Africa, not Americans anymore. On the other hand, if you (not YOU personally, just anyone on here) want to generalize and critisize an entire race for their behavior...then White people have been by far, without a shadow of a doubt, the most evil people on the planet lol. I dont believe that, but look at their history of destruction. By the way, im half white myself. I just know that everyones situation is different. And yes, some people in this world or country are in a worse situation then others...people need to know where they are on that scale and not pretend that they would "do a better job IF they were in someone elses shoes".
I don't know exactly what the problem is oir how to fix it, but when I look at the black population up here in Canada I notice that the black kids in Toronto are crime driven hooligans (not all, or even most, but some). They live the street life and all that business. 90% of the blacks in Canada weren't even here 30 years ago. Most of the them came from the carribean in the late 60s and ealy 70s. The 10% or so that have lived here for hundreds of years were and are mainly in Nova Scotia. I'm not sure if you've seen it on Oprah when they did a special on Canadian blacks but you should see what a group that comes together can accomplish. They had to battle racism the same way, they were slaves from down south seeking refuge, and they came to Nova Scotia stuck together and lifted themselves up. They act and speak like any other east coast Canadian. They have extremely low crime and murder rates, as well as next to no unemployment. They didn't become like this because of hand outs, or affirmative action (neither of which I am opposed to, I'm just saying). They simply leaned on each other and worked with the their white neighbours to builde a strong community.
I'm not sure how it is in the US every where, but from what I understand there are places in the south where they have striving black communities as well. Bottom line is it can happen.
bottom line is, if it can happen...why isnt it? Like i said before, do you agree that we are are born equal? If you do, then you have to admit that the reason why this progress isnt taking place isnt necassarily because the people dont want it. Or else youre saying that if you were in the same situation youd act the same (remember, the equality part. lol). I cant speak on Canada, its a completely different country then the US. Like you said, i know Toronto has a very big population of people from the Carribbean. I dont think i know one person from the Carribbean lol.
To me, its just funny that people cant see that there is a problem here. And it isnt that minorities, or black people for our argument LIKE living in poverty, its that theyve been forced too for so long and only very recently had the same rights as whites in this country. Every country out there has wealthy, and poor people. Why in America is there such a dispairity between races? You cant honestly believe that one race works harder then the other. Thats fuckin ridiculous. Like i said, where i work im in charge of hiring/firing...etc. Ive had everybody work for me from white to black to hispanic to asian to middle eastern and even african. And by FAR, the worse workers were the white people. Most of them didnt want to work. Mommy and Daddy were just making them or some shit. And once they went to college, they were made to quit their job because Mom and Dad were going to take care of them. Others didnt have that luxury. So there has to be something else thats holding certain people back in this country. Anyways, im getting kinda tired of this subject and its only going back n forth...without really going anywhere lol. The way i see things is this. White people in this country (in the past) have created exactly what they wanted, a country for them...ran by them. they used others in order to create that, and now they have to deal with those "others". They dont want to, but have to. Its such a cop out to say "pull yourself up", when youre the one on top. Especially, when most of the time you didnt even work your way there. To expect others to work 10 times as hard as you, to get where youre at...and then critisize them for failing is bullshit. If the roles were reversed we would all go through the same struggles as everyone else. If a white person can tell a black person that they need to look at themself as the problem for why they are where they are. Then that same white person needs to look at themself, because like they say if youre not part of the solution...youre part of the problem.
btw, like i said...im kinda done with this thread lol. peace man...
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do people not realize that it takes time to heal the wounds that racism in america has caused?
you don't break your leg and expect it to heal overnight.
you don't oppress a whole group of people for hundreds of years and expect it to change over a fraction of that time...
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bottom line is, if it can happen...why isnt it? Like i said before, do you agree that we are are born equal? If you do, then you have to admit that the reason why this progress isnt taking place isnt necassarily because the people dont want it. Or else youre saying that if you were in the same situation youd act the same (remember, the equality part. lol). I cant speak on Canada, its a completely different country then the US. Like you said, i know Toronto has a very big population of people from the Carribbean. I dont think i know one person from the Carribbean lol.
To me, its just funny that people cant see that there is a problem here. And it isnt that minorities, or black people for our argument LIKE living in poverty, its that theyve been forced too for so long and only very recently had the same rights as whites in this country. Every country out there has wealthy, and poor people. Why in America is there such a dispairity between races? You cant honestly believe that one race works harder then the other. Thats fuckin ridiculous. Like i said, where i work im in charge of hiring/firing...etc. Ive had everybody work for me from white to black to hispanic to asian to middle eastern and even african. And by FAR, the worse workers were the white people. Most of them didnt want to work. Mommy and Daddy were just making them or some shit. And once they went to college, they were made to quit their job because Mom and Dad were going to take care of them. Others didnt have that luxury. So there has to be something else thats holding certain people back in this country. Anyways, im getting kinda tired of this subject and its only going back n forth...without really going anywhere lol. The way i see things is this. White people in this country (in the past) have created exactly what they wanted, a country for them...ran by them. they used others in order to create that, and now they have to deal with those "others". They dont want to, but have to. Its such a cop out to say "pull yourself up", when youre the one on top. Especially, when most of the time you didnt even work your way there. To expect others to work 10 times as hard as you, to get where youre at...and then critisize them for failing is bullshit. If the roles were reversed we would all go through the same struggles as everyone else. If a white person can tell a black person that they need to look at themself as the problem for why they are where they are. Then that same white person needs to look at themself, because like they say if youre not part of the solution...youre part of the problem.
I'm not sure where in the states you're from, but if you travel the country and read the sats you'll notice there are way more poor down and out white people than poor black people. It may not be the same percentage wise but that is irrelevant. The point is for every ghetto there is a trailer park or two. For ever black homicide there are 2.9 white suicides. Maybe where you're from, a northen city I presume, whites are on top of the world, but if you go to parts of Arkansas, Montana, Michigan etc, you'll see more than your fair share of whites with nothing.
Let's go back in time to the slave trade era. The population about 100 years ago was 90% white 10% black. So it was at most about that 400 years ago, maybe even less blacks. But for argument's sake we'll say 10%. There is no way humanly or logically possible 10% of the nation enslaved could support the other 90%. What does this mean, we'll plantation owners had dozens of slaves, and well to do folks a had a few here and there for cleaning and such. But the vast majority of whites had no slaves and had no benefits because of slaves. While the fertile land was taken by the rich so the slaves could work on it, the shit land and mountain tops were given to the common white, who was only needed in times of war, possible slave revolt, or taxes. Everything else they had to fend for themselves, and they didn't get much out of it. When you say the worst wrkers by far are the whites at your work place, that leads me to believe you live in avery nice area where there are plenty of rich whites, or at least well off whites, because believe me there are a lot of places across the country with all whites know is hard work.
P.S. Does anyone live in the South? Someone told me that the black population in the south is filled with nice small towns and not much crime.
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I Agree with Lyrical G. Forget about racism in another country, but in your own home. You have some seven year old white girl talking smack to a forty year old black man in South Africa! >:(
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Fuck racial excuses, I don't use that as an advantage.
My race has nothing to do with an issue. Now if my person has an issue with my race and hold a grudge against me because of it, that's a different situation. Unlike some black people, who want to be equal with everyone else unless it benefits them, I like to be treated fairly always.