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Same-sex marriage bill passes in Commons
CTV.ca News Staff
Canada will become the third country in the world to officially sanction same-sex marriage.
In a 158 to 133 vote, the House of Commons adopted Bill C-38 -- the controversial legislation legalizing same-sex marriage from coast to coast -- on its third and final reading Tuesday night.
The Liberals had the support of almost all New Democrat and Bloc Quebecois MPs for the vote.
The bill will become official once it receives Senate approval, which is expected to happen within days. An earlier Conservative motion to send the bill back to committee was voted down 158 to 127.
"(This) is about the Charter of Rights,'' Prime Minister Paul Martin said earlier Tuesday.
"We are a nation of minorities. And in a nation of minorities, it is important that you don't cherry-pick rights.
"A right is a right and that is what this vote tonight is all about."
The decision marks the end of a long and divisive debate, with fierce opposition coming from Conservative members, religious groups, and even members of the Liberal Party.
The legislation applies to civic weddings at public venues like city halls and courthouses. Religious groups still have the right to refuse to sanctify same-sex marriages, but opponents of the bill are vowing to keep up their fight.
Conservative Leader Stephen Harper is promising that he won't let the issue rest; he says he'll revisit the new law if he becomes the next prime minister. He also repeated his claim that the law lacks legitimacy because it passed with the support of the separatist Bloc party.
"I don't think Canadians are going to accept as a final word a decision taken by only a minority of federalist MPs," he said. But Harper didn't specify how he would address the issue if the Tories were to form the next government.
Liberal Justice Minister Irwin Cotler said Harper is going to have to come clean and acknowledge that he would have to invoke the Constitution's notwithstanding clause to override the new law.
"They're going to have to acknowledge that they want to override the (Charter of Rights); override constitutional-law decisions in nine jurisdictions in this country; override a unanimous decision of the Supreme Court of Canada; override the rule of law in this country," Cotler said.
The clause is available to provinces to override federal laws that
intrude on provincial jurisdiction.
But almost every provincial and territorial government has already legalized same-sex marriage; and the new legislation will ensure that the four "hold-out" jurisdictions that yet haven't -- Alberta, Prince Edward Island, Nunavut and the Northwest Territories -- now must.
"It's an historic moment, it's about equality for gays and lesbians," said NDP MP Libby Davies.
Alberta Premier Ralph Klein, who is "strongly opposed" to the bill on moral grounds, acknowledged Tuesday that little can be done to stop same-sex marriages in his province.
"Since this is federal legislation, to use the notwithstanding clause as contained in our own Marriage Act would be frivolous," Klein told reporters in Calgary. "It wouldn't stand up in any court of law. So there are some other options that we would have to consider."
Klein said although some members of his caucus are threatening to use every legal weapon at their disposal to get around the legislation, "there are no legal weapons; there's nothing left in the arsenal."
As expected, about three dozen Liberal MPs voted against the measure. Martin declared it a free vote for backbench MPs, but cabinet ministers were under orders to vote in favour of the bill.
On Tuesday, a junior cabinet minister chose to resign and return to the backbenches rather than vote in favour of same sex marriage.
Joe Comuzzi, the minister of state for economic development in northern Ontario, informed the prime minister of his decision in the early morning.
"I promised faithfully to the people of Thunder Bay-Superior North that I would defend the traditional definition of marriage," he explained to reporters on Parliament Hill.
After the same-sex vote was put to bed, the House immediately adjourned for the summer, thus ending one of the stormiest sessions of parliament in Canadian history. MPs won't meet again until Sept. 26.
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good for you!
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My thoughts written out:
Wow. It finally happened. Same sex marriage, as Liberals socialists and seperatists call it. Supposedly a defining moment in Canada. In reality, this is one of the worst days in the country's history. The Liberals pushed through this terrible legislation. Pearson, King, St. Laurent and the other Liberal PMs of the country must be rolling over in their graves. Even Tommy Douglas of the NDP (whom many forget was A CHRISTIAN MINISTER) must be shaking his head. It is time for change. Harper needs to stand up and use the Notwithstanding Clause of the Charter, and make it damn clear he will. Realistically speaking, the positive that will come out of this terrible legislation will be the Liberals' demise. When nearly the whole country is against the sinful marriage bill, the Liberals will have no chance at defending against this one. Let's see you dither through this one Mr. Martin.
I pray for God's mercy upon my country and pray for change.
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i thought this was legalized ages ago....i don't like gays at all...but i don't give a shit about this bill
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Realistically speaking, the positive that will come out of this terrible legislation will be the Liberals' demise. When nearly the whole country is against the sinful marriage bill, the Liberals will have no chance at defending against this one. Let's see you dither through this one Mr. Martin.
I pray for God's mercy upon my country and pray for change.
The Liberals will never lose. Martin is invincible.
I hate to say it but it's true.
As far as this issue is concerned, I could really care less. But I hate it when these clowns call it a "human rights" issue or something along those lines. That's bullshit.
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I pray you don't kill yourself when you find out Christianity is just a brainwashing program created to gain loyalty throughout the weakminded populace. Ooh ouch, thats your feelings being crushed. And my karma being taken down in response. But for real though, this means you don't have to lie to yourself anymore and you can marry that man from church you've had a crush on.
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Just like heterosexuals, gays are human beings as well. Gay couples should have the same rights as straight couples because they are human beings. They can't help it they're gay, they just are. Therefore I think that everybody that does not support this bill is not a good person.
But I hate it when these clowns call it a "human rights" issue or something along those lines. That's bullshit.
Why is that bullshit? This is discrimination.
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I don't think it's a religious issue. I think that's one of the silliest things I've ever heard. If you have two people married that aren't religious, that's just as bad as having two gays married in god's eyes, it's still either way not how he would have it done... that is if you believe in any kind of organized religon. The bible stresses monogamy but nobody listens to it. Kids are born to people that get divorced and leave the kids hanging the rest of their lives, or dads that get women pregnant and then just walk out the door. You think god's down with two Christians getting divorced and leaving their kids without a family anymore than he's down with two gays living together, and raising adopted kids or kids from an earlier relationship? I think people speak out against gay marriage but they don't speak out against the other problems we have.
Second, to me, gay marriage is rediculous. It's a common sense thing. That's like me saying I'm being discriminated against because I can't go in a public bathroom with women. Or I can't go to school any later than 19 or 20. that's not discrimination, that's just inherent differences in people. Men are not women, women are not men, it's impossible for two men to marry, because it's nonsensical. Marriage is between a man and a woman, a fucking 3 year old can tell you that, but grown faggots can't.
They're not being discriminated against, they have the EXACT same rights i have. I too, cannot marry a man. The only problem is, it's a law they don't like, so they bitch about it, and do it anyways. That's not discrimination, that's a flagrant disrespect for the law. Deviant behavior is behavior that strays from the norms set by society. Homosexuality is deviant behavior. We should not bend laws that are rooted in human GENDER, a friekin' law of the universe like gravity, heat and math, to satisfy the deviants amongst us.
If they want to live together, fine, I'm happy for them... but how can you get married to a man? It's not possible, it's just cut and dry like me telling you I'm going to go walk in the sky. That's impossible, it's against the law of gravity. That's like me telling you I'm going to add 2 and 2 and get 3. It's against the law of math, there's simply no way to do that.
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Homosexuality is deviant behavior.
Maybe so, but since homosexuals can't help it they're homosexual they should be treated equal to bisexuals and heterosexuals. If the law implies so otherwise, the law should be changed. If a religion says it's unnatural, that religion is wrong.
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I don't think it's a religious issue. I think that's one of the silliest things I've ever heard. If you have two people married that aren't religious, that's just as bad as having two gays married in god's eyes, it's still either way not how he would have it done...
I never looked at it that way, why the hell do non religious people get married if it's a religious institution?
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you don't have to marry in church
over here non religious people marry in the city hall and religious people marry in their church
a long time ago already marriage has become normal for non religious people as well
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I don't have a problem with same sex couples or gays in general, as long as they keep that shit away from me.
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But I hate it when these clowns call it a "human rights" issue or something along those lines. That's bullshit.
Why is that bullshit? This is discrimination.
Trauma pretty much summed it up.
For example: I, as a heterosexual man, if I wanna get married I have to do so with someone of the opposite sex. You as a homosexual man, if you wanna get married you have to find someone of the opposite sex. Both groups have the same rights, neither group can married someone of the same sex. Everyone's equal.
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:banana_dss:
silly boys, dicks are for chicks
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I think Trauma is on to something, but I wouldn't mind if two gay guys wanted to be joined like a married couple, just don't call it marriage. There are certain things you can't have when you are a certain way. I have a dick, so I can't go into the ladies room like it's where I'm supposed to be, just like Trauma said. My neighbor, who I have known my entire life, is gay. If that is how he so chooses to live or how he was born, so be it, but it's not the natural circle of life, therefore they can't get married, which is natural.
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Trauma pretty much summed it up.
For example: I, as a heterosexual man, if I wanna get married I have to do so with someone of the opposite sex. You as a homosexual man, if you wanna get married you have to find someone of the opposite sex. Both groups have the same rights, neither group can married someone of the same sex. Everyone's equal.
1. I am straight.
2. In your eyes a homosexual man can't get married to the person (s)he loves. A heterosexual person can. That is not equal.
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I'm for it because Bush is against it :D
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Homosexuality is deviant behavior.
Maybe so, but since homosexuals can't help it they're homosexual they should be treated equal to bisexuals and heterosexuals. If the law implies so otherwise, the law should be changed. If a religion says it's unnatural, that religion is wrong.
So men born without penises should have penises surgically grafted on, and paid for by the state? Come on man, you can't go around and say "They're born that way!" which can't be proven, ANYWAYS, and expect to bend the laws for them.
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Trauma pretty much summed it up.
For example: I, as a heterosexual man, if I wanna get married I have to do so with someone of the opposite sex. You as a homosexual man, if you wanna get married you have to find someone of the opposite sex. Both groups have the same rights, neither group can married someone of the same sex. Everyone's equal.
1. I am straight.
2. In your eyes a homosexual man can't get married to the person (s)he loves. A heterosexual person can. That is not equal.
What if you're in love with a child? You still can't get married. That's discrimination too, then , heh? Where do you draw the line? Dogs? Horses? Children? How Old? Your argument is seriously flawed, mine is unfalliable.
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So men born without penises should have penises surgically grafted on, and paid for by the state? Come on man, you can't go around and say "They're born that way!" which can't be proven, ANYWAYS, and expect to bend the laws for them.
I don't know in detail how the medical system in the USA works, but if it's necessary then it should be paid like any other necessary surgery. If it's not a necessary surgery, it should be treated like any other unnecessary surgery.
P.S. what does that comment have to do with this topic?
What if you're in love with a child? You still can't get married. That's discrimination too, then , heh? Where do you draw the line? Dogs? Horses? Children? How Old? Your argument is seriously flawed, mine is unfalliable.
That comment is low. You're smarter than that.
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It is low. Comparing homosexuals to faunasexuals (or whatever they're called) and pedosexuals is low, very low.
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I agree Mauzip.
I hate having to read things like
<example>I dont have a problem with gays aslong as they dont bum me.</example>
Things like that show that you dont understand or want to understand gay people, or just that you are a homophobe.
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The Church or any other religion shouldn't have to marry gays under any circumstances. If it goes against the belief system then it's as simple as that. If you marry a man with a man, then what is stopping a brotyher and sister, father and daughter, or father and son from getting married. In each case you consenting adults who want to get married. If you shouldn't stop homosexuality then you shouldn't stop incest.
Now the state should be able to grant civil unions to anyone of citizens in question want it that way. You can call it a legal marriage if you want. Doesn't make a difference.
There it is plain and simple. Religion should stay true to it's religion and a democracy should stay true to it's people.
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Yeah religions should have the right to decide weather or not they marry people but if 2 (wo)men want to have a civil service i see no problem in allowing it.
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I don't think it's a religious issue. I think that's one of the silliest things I've ever heard. If you have two people married that aren't religious, that's just as bad as having two gays married in god's eyes, it's still either way not how he would have it done... that is if you believe in any kind of organized religon. The bible stresses monogamy but nobody listens to it. Kids are born to people that get divorced and leave the kids hanging the rest of their lives, or dads that get women pregnant and then just walk out the door. You think god's down with two Christians getting divorced and leaving their kids without a family anymore than he's down with two gays living together, and raising adopted kids or kids from an earlier relationship? I think people speak out against gay marriage but they don't speak out against the other problems we have.
Second, to me, gay marriage is rediculous. It's a common sense thing. That's like me saying I'm being discriminated against because I can't go in a public bathroom with women. Or I can't go to school any later than 19 or 20. that's not discrimination, that's just inherent differences in people. Men are not women, women are not men, it's impossible for two men to marry, because it's nonsensical. Marriage is between a man and a woman, a fucking 3 year old can tell you that, but grown faggots can't.
They're not being discriminated against, they have the EXACT same rights i have. I too, cannot marry a man. The only problem is, it's a law they don't like, so they bitch about it, and do it anyways. That's not discrimination, that's a flagrant disrespect for the law. Deviant behavior is behavior that strays from the norms set by society. Homosexuality is deviant behavior. We should not bend laws that are rooted in human GENDER, a friekin' law of the universe like gravity, heat and math, to satisfy the deviants amongst us.
If they want to live together, fine, I'm happy for them... but how can you get married to a man? It's not possible, it's just cut and dry like me telling you I'm going to go walk in the sky. That's impossible, it's against the law of gravity. That's like me telling you I'm going to add 2 and 2 and get 3. It's against the law of math, there's simply no way to do that.
bingo
now if u would only apply logic to political posts....
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It is low. Comparing homosexuals to faunasexuals (or whatever they're called) and pedosexuals is low, very low.
It's deviant behavior. Deviance is difference from the norm. It is very un-normal to have sex with another male. They're in the exact same category.
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I don't think it's a religious issue. I think that's one of the silliest things I've ever heard. If you have two people married that aren't religious, that's just as bad as having two gays married in god's eyes, it's still either way not how he would have it done... that is if you believe in any kind of organized religon. The bible stresses monogamy but nobody listens to it. Kids are born to people that get divorced and leave the kids hanging the rest of their lives, or dads that get women pregnant and then just walk out the door. You think god's down with two Christians getting divorced and leaving their kids without a family anymore than he's down with two gays living together, and raising adopted kids or kids from an earlier relationship? I think people speak out against gay marriage but they don't speak out against the other problems we have.
Second, to me, gay marriage is rediculous. It's a common sense thing. That's like me saying I'm being discriminated against because I can't go in a public bathroom with women. Or I can't go to school any later than 19 or 20. that's not discrimination, that's just inherent differences in people. Men are not women, women are not men, it's impossible for two men to marry, because it's nonsensical. Marriage is between a man and a woman, a fucking 3 year old can tell you that, but grown faggots can't.
They're not being discriminated against, they have the EXACT same rights i have. I too, cannot marry a man. The only problem is, it's a law they don't like, so they bitch about it, and do it anyways. That's not discrimination, that's a flagrant disrespect for the law. Deviant behavior is behavior that strays from the norms set by society. Homosexuality is deviant behavior. We should not bend laws that are rooted in human GENDER, a friekin' law of the universe like gravity, heat and math, to satisfy the deviants amongst us.
If they want to live together, fine, I'm happy for them... but how can you get married to a man? It's not possible, it's just cut and dry like me telling you I'm going to go walk in the sky. That's impossible, it's against the law of gravity. That's like me telling you I'm going to add 2 and 2 and get 3. It's against the law of math, there's simply no way to do that.
bingo
now if u would only apply logic to political posts....
Everything I say is 100% completely logical, you're just a fucking moron who thinks it's cool to be anti everything. Fuck you, don't respond to threads I grace, bitch.
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Everything I say is 100% completely logical
Where's the WMD in Iraq? Everybody wants to know that, right?
Well, Where's Saddam, Bin Ladin, Jimmy Hoffa, Amelia Earhart, the mummy that was in the great pyramid?
Just because you can't find something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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It's deviant behavior. Deviance is difference from the norm. It is very un-normal to have sex with another male. They're in the exact same category.
You are putting homosexuals in the same category as pedosexuals. You really don't see what's wrong with that, do you? You really think that they're just as bad, huh?
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It's deviant behavior. Deviance is difference from the norm. It is very un-normal to have sex with another male. They're in the exact same category.
You are putting homosexuals in the same category as pedosexuals. You really don't see what's wrong with that, do you? You really think that they're just as bad, huh?
thats a good point... you cant really put homos and pedo's in the same category, coz pedo's manipulate and trick children into doin shit they dont want to do, i remember seein on oprah the pedo said, its not so much the sex they enjoy but more the manipulation and getting there...
you cant really compare a pedo to a homo...
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Pedos need to die a painful death. Homos need to chill on that expressing their mutual affection to each other in public just to make a political statement shit. If they chill on that, Im down.
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It's deviant behavior. Deviance is difference from the norm. It is very un-normal to have sex with another male. They're in the exact same category.
You are putting homosexuals in the same category as pedosexuals. You really don't see what's wrong with that, do you? You really think that they're just as bad, huh?
What about incest?
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Who cares this shit is already for ages here in netherlands and i dont really give a fuck, they are people 2... most of em are friendlier then fucking straight mofo's 8)
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^Exactly
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Everything I say is 100% completely logical
Where's the WMD in Iraq? Everybody wants to know that, right?
Well, Where's Saddam, Bin Ladin, Jimmy Hoffa, Amelia Earhart, the mummy that was in the great pyramid?
Just because you can't find something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
lol....that was some trauma talkin shit to tech, before he finishes talkin, jamal emerges from the entourage to clap him in his mouth
stickl to talkin about homos, homo
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It's deviant behavior. Deviance is difference from the norm. It is very un-normal to have sex with another male. They're in the exact same category.
You are putting homosexuals in the same category as pedosexuals. You really don't see what's wrong with that, do you? You really think that they're just as bad, huh?
What about incest?
is there a difference between gay and strait incest ? or is it just as bad ?
look i dont agree with gays, because i dont understand them... but did gays excist 3000 years ago ? when they had no lube ? thats the 25$ question...
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look i dont agree with gays, because i dont understand them... but did gays excist 3000 years ago ? when they had no lube ? thats the 25$ question...
In the ancient Greece it was very normal to be gay.
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look i dont agree with gays, because i dont understand them... but did gays excist 3000 years ago ? when they had no lube ? thats the 25$ question...
In the ancient Greece it was very normal to be gay.
ok 15,000 years ago
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look i dont agree with gays, because i dont understand them... but did gays excist 3000 years ago ? when they had no lube ? thats the 25$ question...
In the ancient Greece it was very normal to be gay.
Until Jesus showed up and cleaned that up. LOL.
Seriously though it wasn't as comon as youd think. It was really only for like two types of people, the rich, and the Spartans (who were fucked up in a lot of ways worse than fucking guys, like speculation of drinking human blood). The average Greek man who was the large majority of Greek men were just normal citizens who didn't have time to think about philosophy. Ancient Greece was very mysonginistic and the philosopers deduced the theory that since a man is superior to a woman that a man's love is superior to a woman's love. The average Greek had no time to think about the meaning of life or the substance of human mind, they just made up mythological stories to answer those questions nice and easy. Ancient Greece really wasn't as homosexual as people think it was. Alexander may or not have been gay, but it hardly represents the masses. Saying Alexander was gay therefore Greeks were would be almost like saying all Americans are rich, war loving, oil tycoons like George W.
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Yeah, you Europeans are pretty gay.
Unless you are a Native American or Black then you are also European.
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Unless you are a Native American or Black then you are also European.
::)
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Gays should NOT be allowed to marry. Being gay is not natural, what message is this sending out to children if they see gays getting married? And if they get married I suppose they would want to adopt children too - which should not be allowed. Why do they deserve equal rights?
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Its true, most Americans are decended from Europeans.
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Unless you are a Native American or Black then you are also European.
haha, or South American or Asian or Middle Eastern.
Go read an atlas you jerk ass
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He does stay in the US, dick.
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Now all they have to do is legalize marijuana 8)
as for the same sex marriage though, I dont really care either way
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Realistically speaking, the positive that will come out of this terrible legislation will be the Liberals' demise. When nearly the whole country is against the sinful marriage bill, the Liberals will have no chance at defending against this one. Let's see you dither through this one Mr. Martin.
I pray for God's mercy upon my country and pray for change.
The Liberals will never lose. Martin is invincible.
I hate to say it but it's true.
As far as this issue is concerned, I could really care less. But I hate it when these clowns call it a "human rights" issue or something along those lines. That's bullshit.