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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: mauzip on August 06, 2005, 06:34:26 PM
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Umm..im not gonna say
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Umm..im not gonna say
The poll exposes you.. :nawty:
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Havoc gets my vote.
His signature production style is one of my favorites especially his 90's work.
Mannie is dope too though.
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you already know
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Havoc
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Mannie can make some bangers, period
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havoc
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havoc but mannie goes hard too
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what made you compare these 2 ?
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In terms of Southern Production
Mannie Fresh >>> Havoc
In terms of East Coast Production
Havoc >>> Mannie Fresh
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In terms of Southern Production
Mannie Fresh >>> Havoc
In terms of East Coast Production
Havoc >>> Mannie Fresh
It's an obious comment. It's like you compare Dre to Premier, Pete Rock with Quik so you can hardly compare Fresh to Havoc in terms of production.
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In terms of Southern Production
Mannie Fresh >>> Havoc
In terms of East Coast Production
Havoc >>> Mannie Fresh
It's an obious comment. It's like you compare Dre to Premier, Pete Rock with Quik so you can hardly compare Fresh to Havoc in terms of production.
Which is why I made it.
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South or East, Havoc is better
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like havoc's work more so he got my vote.
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what made you compare these 2 ?
[03:33] <Cow`> mannie fresh shits on havoc
[03:34] <Cow`> and i don't even think havoc is horrible
[03:34] <Jome_> Havoc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mannie Fresh
[03:35] <Jome_> you only like Mannie because he makes r'n'b-beats
[03:35] <Cow`> wtf
[03:35] <Cow`> are you smoking crack again?
[03:36] <Jome_> make a thread: "POLL: HAVOC or MANNIE FRESH" on ANY hiphop-forum, and see people set it straight!
[03:36] <Cow`> ok
[03:36] <Cow`> i'll do it on dubcc
[03:36] <Jome_> do it
[03:36] <elduque> Mannie Fresh is dope Jome
[03:36] <elduque> I listen to more Mannie Fresh produced osngs than Havoc
[03:36] <Jome_> he's coo, but Havoc is a legend
[03:36] <Jome_> you're new school
[03:37] <Jome_> Havoc been doing it for over a decade
[03:37] <elduque> no doubt..Shook Ones Prt 2 > then any Mannie Beat
[03:37] <Cow`> back that ass up
[03:37] <Cow`> can't fuck with that one
[03:37] <elduque> but Mannie is a better producer
[03:37] <Cow`> http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=84736.0
[03:39] <Jome_> if Mannie Fresh wins, it's a sad day for Dubcc
[03:39] <Cow`> no
[03:39] <Cow`> it would confirm you don't appreciate good producers
[03:39] <Jome_> it will mean that r'n'b and commercial hiphop is more popular than raw hiphop
[03:39] <Cow`> mannie fresh is not an R&B producer
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Mannie´s catalogue shits all over Havoc´s and while Havoc can make a lot better beats then Mannie on his best days but on Hav´s worst days he´s one average mofo. so my vote goes to Mannie coz he´s pretty damn consistant.
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R&B? How many R&B cuts has Mannie Fresh Produced? Jome, you're an ass.
And btw, Mannie Fresh been Producing on a major level since about 1991.
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i'd say Havoc... 8)
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well anyways.....Havoc>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mannie Fresh
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you gotta be kidding, Mannie Fresh is garbage
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Fuck, HAVOC hands down!
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Id take the worst Havoc beat over the best Mannie Fresh one.
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Havoc. Man produced some classics. So did Mannie but Havocs sound is more fresh
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Completely different styles, but I prefer Havoc.
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R&B? How many R&B cuts has Mannie Fresh Produced? Jome, you're an ass.
And btw, Mannie Fresh been Producing on a major level since about 1991.
Do your The Vault (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=60043.0) homework before talking out your ass.
Mannie Fresh makes way softer hiphop-beats than Havoc, he may have made more club tracks and "hits", but Havoc got a classic catalog that he can't fuck with on a good day.
I'll never claim that the Southern audience should favor Havoc before Mannie, but the rest of the world should/will.
It's like comparing Premier to Jazze Pha, something mauzip might bring up next.. ::)
<Jome_> if Mannie Fresh wins, it's a sad day for Dubcc
The poll results show that Dubcc still know hiphop. 8)
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Do your The Vault (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=60043.0) homework before talking out your ass.
Mannie Fresh makes way softer hiphop-beats than Havoc, he may have made more club tracks and "hits", but Havoc got a classic catalog that he can't fuck with on a good day.
I'll never claim that the Southern audience should favor Havoc before Mannie, but the rest of the world should/will.
It's like comparing Premier to Jazze Pha, something mauzip might bring up next.. ::)
You're an idiot Jomo. "Softer" or "Club" tracks are NOT R&B. Now... Shut the fuck up and re-do your Vault homework before talking out of your ass.
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R&B? How many R&B cuts has Mannie Fresh Produced? Jome, you're an ass.
And btw, Mannie Fresh been Producing on a major level since about 1991.
Do your The Vault (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=60043.0) homework before talking out your ass.
Mannie Fresh makes way softer hiphop-beats than Havoc, he may have made more club tracks and "hits", but Havoc got a classic catalog that he can't fuck with on a good day.
I'll never claim that the Southern audience should favor Havoc before Mannie, but the rest of the world should/will.
How is Mannie Fresh R&B? He hasn't produced many R&B tracks. At least... only a very limited amount has been released. Also, how is Mannie Fresh "new"?
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How is Mannie Fresh R&B? He hasn't produced many R&B tracks. At least... only a very limited amount has been released. Also, how is Mannie Fresh "new"?
It's because Jomo is super gully. Anything that isn't "gutta" like him is R&B. And, he only acknowledges the length of time people he dickrides have been out. Everyone else doesn't matter.
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i like them both, but im gonig for havoc
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It's because Jomo is super gully. Anything that isn't "gutta" like him is R&B. And, he only acknowledges the length of time people he dickrides have been out. Everyone else doesn't matter.
You're an idiot Jomo. "Softer" or "Club" tracks are NOT R&B. Now... Shut the fuck up and re-do your Vault homework before talking out of your ass.
STFU Elliot, you missed the context of the lines mauzip copy/pasted from mIRC in the first place.
The point is that Mauzip is more of a r'n'b-fan than a hiphop-fan, that's why I said the stuff about r'n'b, when compared to Havoc! I never said Mannie doesn't do hiphop.
Sure, the boy got some dope tracks, like Back that azz up, some Big Tymers/Baby/Lil Wayne tracks, and a couple of cool tracks on the Mack 10 album.
I know you like to dance and get jiggy/crunk to your little club and singasong tracks, but that doesn't make Mannie beat Havoc in production skills, bottom line point blank. 8)
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The point is that Mauzip is more of a r'n'b-fan than a hiphop-fan, that's why I said the stuff about r'n'b, when compared to Havoc! I never said Mannie doesn't do hiphop.
Well, Mannie's known for his hard drums, but even if his beats would be soft... soft hip hop beats = R&B?
<Cow`> soft hip hop = R&B? :/
<Jome_> yeh
Jome has lost his mind.
:loco:
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Soft tracks with slow raps, soft beats and r'n'b-singing on the chorus is often just as much r'n'b as it is hiphop.
Nowadays the line between hiphop and r'n'b is getting whisked out, with all the r'n'b remixes with rappers on a verse or two.
It's almost like you can't have a r'n'b single without having a rapper on it, or at least on the remix..
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Soft tracks with slow raps, soft beats and r'n'b-singing on the chorus is often just as much r'n'b as it is hiphop.
Have you ever listened to one Cash Money track?
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Have you ever listened to one Cash Money track?
YUP, and I wasn't talking about Cash Money, way to steer the topic.
Sure Mannie can make some dope hiphop beats, if you wanna call them "hard" or "raw", then that's on you, but he's just no Havoc.
The poll results speak for themselves. :)
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No. You were talking about "slow raps, soft beats and r'n'b-singing on the chorus" while talking about Mannie Fresh.
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STFU Elliot, you missed the context of the lines mauzip copy/pasted from mIRC in the first place.
The point is that Mauzip is more of a r'n'b-fan than a hiphop-fan, that's why I said the stuff about r'n'b, when compared to Havoc! I never said Mannie doesn't do hiphop.
Sure, the boy got some dope tracks, like Back that azz up, some Big Tymers/Baby/Lil Wayne tracks, and a couple of cool tracks on the Mack 10 album.
I know you like to dance and get jiggy/crunk to your little club and singasong tracks, but that doesn't make Mannie beat Havoc in production skills, bottom line point blank. 8)
You're just an idiot.
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Great reply, Elliot lost. 8)
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Great reply, Elliot lost. 8)
LMAO... No. Your feeble attempt at justifying why Mannie Fresh is R&B is just ridiculous and doesn't deserve to be broken down.
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LMAO... No. Your feeble attempt at justifying why Mannie Fresh is R&B is just ridiculous and doesn't deserve to be broken down.
Cause you can't.
<Jome_> you only like Mannie because he makes r'n'b-beats
I can't see where I refer to Mannie Fresh as a r'n'b-producer, I only said mauzip thinks he's the greatest producer because he makes r'n'b-beats for his favorite r'n'b-artist TQ (16 tracks with TQ according to the Mannie Fresh C.V.) and his favorite rapper Lil Wayne, and if it wasn't for that, I doubt Mauzip would rank him so high.
Mannie Fresh is more hiphop than r'n'b, but he some times makes r'n'b records, and on another note, is not in the same class as Havoc. (Not that there's something wrong with r'n'b, I'm just saying that's why Mauzip thinks he's better than Havoc, which of course is wrong) The End.
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Hip hop tracks with an R&B singer on the hook are not R&B songs. Now count the number of R&B produced tracks in that C.V.. I count three (four if you include a prerelease) with TQ on it, but I didn't look for other R&B tracks.
You know, just as I know, Lil Wayne is not my favorite rapper. He is very dope, but not the best. Listen to The Carter, one of the best Cash Money albums. Also listen to Juve's Project English.
Either way, your arguments have no value.
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Some of Mannie's beats do have an RnB sound to them.....Not that theres anything wrong with that because Battlecat is the same way....Shit, half the RnB beats I hear nowadays I think to myself "shit so and so would have tore up this beat" but instead you have someone singing on it.....Its all the same shit anyway....Figures SGV is all over this thread tho :P
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Some of Mannie's beats do have an RnB sound to them..
Thank you. 8)
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Some of Mannie's beats do have an RnB sound to them..
Thank you. 8)
your welcome 8)
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Cause you can't.
There's no reason to.
What's R&B about "Go DJ" "Get Your Roll On" "Numba 1 Stunna" "Real Big" "In My Life" "Ha" "Bling Bling" "Cash Money Is An Army" "Shine" "Connected 4 Life" etc.? NOTHING.
He may have a few R&B beats, but any WELL ROUNDED PRODUCER will. His best and most well known beats on the other hand are NOT R&B. You are an idiot Jomo. And Plant... I think I seen a Snoop thread... Go find it.
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And Plant... I think I seen a Snoop thread... Go find it.
wow thats original, ive never heard that one from you before ::)
go find a stogie and a cheeseburger to take to the club with you
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What's R&B about "Go DJ" "Get Your Roll On" "Numba 1 Stunna" "Real Big" "In My Life" "Ha" "Bling Bling" "Cash Money Is An Army" "Shine" "Connected 4 Life" etc.? NOTHING.
He may have a few R&B beats, but any WELL ROUNDED PRODUCER will.
Can you read ?
I didn't say the r'n'b-beats takes away anything from his hiphop beats, I said that's why he's ranked on top of mauzips producer list.
Mannie Fresh is more hiphop than r'n'b, but he some times makes r'n'b records, and on another note, is not in the same class as Havoc.
There you go Elliot, now go hide in shame douchebag.
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What's R&B about "Go DJ" "Get Your Roll On" "Numba 1 Stunna" "Real Big" "In My Life" "Ha" "Bling Bling" "Cash Money Is An Army" "Shine" "Connected 4 Life" etc.? NOTHING.
He may have a few R&B beats, but any WELL ROUNDED PRODUCER will.
Can you read ?
I didn't say the r'n'b-beats takes away anything from his hiphop beats, I said that's why he's ranked on top of mauzips producer list.
Mannie Fresh is more hiphop than r'n'b, but he some times makes r'n'b records, and on another note, is not in the same class as Havoc.
There you go Elliot, now go hide in shame douchebag.
Can you make a list of 10 R&B songs Mannie Fresh produced?
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Since you're obviously not making a list of 10 Mannie Fresh produced R&B songs (cause you can't), you're showing the insignificance of your argument.
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Not at all, WCC already proved my main argument, HAVOC >>>>>> Mannie Fresh. :)
That I think of a r'n'b-sounding track or a club-track every time I see Mannie Fresh on a tracklist, is just a side point.
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wow thats original, ive never heard that one from you before ::)
go find a stogie and a cheeseburger to take to the club with you
Will do! Hey... Btw, you have some of Snoop's kids runnin' off your chin. You might want to uh... clean that up.
Jomo, the R&B shit was POINTLESS. It was your way of discrediting Mannie since Mauzip may or may not like R&B. It was your ASSUMPTION. And you just made an ass out of yourself.
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That I think of a r'n'b-sounding track or a club-track every time I see Mannie Fresh on a tracklist, is just a side point.
That shows you don't know what you're talking about. Noone except you would think of R&B sounding tracks when they see a B.G. tracklist, a Juvenile tracklist, a Lil Wayne tracklist or a Big Tymers Tracklist.
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Name 5 hits that Mannie's got that have an R&B feel Jomo... 5!
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lol i cant believe yall are arguing about this
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lol i cant believe yall are arguing about this
Mauzip and Jome are like a married couple
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lol i cant believe yall are arguing about this
Mauzip and Jome are like a married couple
truth
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Mannie Fresh's best work was on Connected for Life.
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mannie fresh is a musician and havoc is just a beat maker. musicians are more versitile and beat makers tend to stay in one genre. anyone with a traind ear can hear that.
god i wish i could spell
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NO DOUBT HAVOC LISTEN TO THE INFAMOUS ALBUM