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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: mellowman on June 08, 2002, 11:43:23 AM
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wow, its seems like ages ago since i was here. i know i said I was never coming back but that doesn't really matter right now. don't expect me to be coming here very much, but i have gotten my life to the place i wanted to get to when i left here last year. i've cut all the excess and unnecessary bullshit that was wasting my time and taking my time away from the most important things in my life. i am real happy and my focus is solely on music and family and thats it. no bling bling, no watching tv, none of that stupid shit. so i will probably drop by every once in a while. (not too often though). For some reason today as i arrived in the studio i was just overcome with the urge to check in with y'all motherfuckers. I had to step into a side office and have one of our engineers get me online. i didn't know if I'd remember my password, or how to type, but i did. Anyway, how has everybody been? i hope all is well. the board and some of the names on this board have changed since i left but thats great. I'm sure some of you are happy to see me back and some aren't. but thats fine. if you like me, fine. if you don't like me, fine. if you believe me ,fine. if u don't believe me, fine. I don't care. my life and my attitude is at a positive place so anyone who's negative to me won't faze me. i WILL NOT respond or even acknowledge any negative feelings, accusations whatever. I aint letting anything negative enter my mind. imma stay positive. whatever you wanna do is up to you. well, enough about that shit. I got a few things to share with you. i won't talk about much news cause it looks like anything that comes out is finding its way onto this board. i just got a few things you may want to hear. i'll post this and then reply with some comments.
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nice. welcomebackthen
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Great to see you came back to the board mellow...as a silent member who rarely posts and just comes to read dope news and info, i'd like to thank you...and btw, what's up with the dre/snoop situation--those two not cool anymore or just some bullshit rumors?
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thats great mellow!!!!
welcome to the board!
there is not many haters here, just ppl that dont know what to belive ya know..
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Great To See Ya Back - Even If Just To Call In Occasionally! :)
Glad You've Got Things Sorted And I Look Forward To Hearing More Great Info Off You In The Not To Distant Future!
People Have Asked After You Here And There So You Mustve Been Missed! ;D
peace
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welcome back man.
umm.. a few things have changed...business wise here.... biggest upsets/news .. bigjake got booted.. and Rud is now co-admin. we've expanded our horizons a bit.. we got sports and a separate forum for non-westcoast topics. yada yada yada ;D
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well, if it ain't the famous MELLOWMAN. Sup dogg. I just started coming to this board when you left. You post good shit. Wellcom back.
-Tha Rev
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S'up Mellowman...This Is Great To Have You Back!
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Welcome back,
Mellow... I got a question. Did Dre ever been in contact with Dresta or BGKO since Real Muthafuckin' Gz? just wondering if you may know.
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its FUCKIN GREAT to have you back mellow!!! nice to hear you got your life together, im looking forward to your posts!
ppppppeeeeeace
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well, things here at aftermath are as you would expect VERY exciting. Em's album blew up, as expected. there was a little apprehension here about how it would do, but we weren't too worried. like i said before i left, em is getting closer to the classic album he's capable of making. he's just gonna keep maturing and talking about diiferent things. Subconciously, one of the reasons I wanted to visit the forum was to promote Truth Hurt's album. It's scheduled, as you probably know to be released on June 25th. Unfortunately, right before going to press R kelly was indicted for child pornography. That put dre and interscope in a tough dilema as R Kelly is on truth's album. I haven't been in the studio or talked to Dre since wednesday so i haven't heard if they have decided to go ahead and press the album or put a hold on pressing and redo the title track. if they redo it the album will be delayed. the other guys in the studio don't know either. hopefully when larry or dre show up they'll know. its a VERY tough decision I'm sure. back to truth's album, I am very very impressed. its unlike anything you've heard for a while. dre's tracks are crazy and truths singing puts others to shame. some will complain that dre only did a few tracks but he mixed and remixed every song on the album and was there 95% of the time when truth was doing the vocals. so keep your eye out for any changes in the release date and when it does come out PLEASe go buy it.
a few other tidbits, dre and snoop aren't really beefing, but.....
before i left i talked about scott storch's situation with aftermath. as you know there were a few lawsuits to hit us because scott basically took things from other artists songs without permission, replayed them for dre and told dre they were things he came up with on his own. dre put the keyboard melodies on a few songs and we were hit with the lawsuits. it shook dre a lot and his trust in scott was broken. its a shame cause scott is so fuckin talented and a good guy. he don't need to take shit from others. so scott probably wont do much with dre anymore. dre is running a tight ship right now and I don't blame him. i dont listen to much outside music because i want to make sure i come up with shit that is not influenced by anyone elses music. i won't let dres trust in me be broken. dre allows me to present my ideas or creations to him and he allows us to expand on his ideas but believe me dre is coming up with almost everything off the top of my head and what is ending up on records is being done in his presence. most of the time us and dre just create beats and then dre adds the vocals and mixes it later. i come in to replay or add some things to the tracks, but only about half the time am i in the studio while the artists are.
dre vs. jd? should have never happen. dre ain't taking back what he said, but he wishes he would have keep silent. jermaine's pathetic cockyness pissed me off though. i give him credit for what hes accomplished, but he aint or never will be close to dre. oh well, some people live in a dream world. plus i think it has given dre something to prove and thats dangerous. ill talk about dre in my next reply.
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welcome back man.
umm.. a few things have changed...business wise here.... biggest upsets/news .. bigjake got booted.. and Rud is now co-admin. we've expanded our horizons a bit.. we got sports and a separate forum for non-westcoast topics. yada yada yada ;D
Dont know if I was MOD last time you posted.. Welcome back.
Ax
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interesting. yeah ima buy truth for sho. from what i heard its :o :o :o
bout scott, thats fucked up.. he had some dope shit.. but i guess thats how it is :-/
peace
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Thanks For The News Mellow-Man. The Truth Hurt Album Is Going To Be Great - Do You Know How Many Remixes Off Addictive They've Done?
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i think we lost a post where we came to the same conclusion about the storch situation in the big data loss we had this time lsat week (we lost the last 3 weeks of may).
What about Quik? is he involved in more Aftermath stuff?
ohh and whats the deal with Hittman now he's off the math.
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Yo mellow Welcome back Homie, good to see u back, Now we will get all the information we will need... :D
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does mellowman work for aftermath? i dunno..i was just wondering...
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Hell yeah Mellowman, you always bring the dope posts and news. I am glad you are back.
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yes.
'mellowman' is something to do with the camp somehow. dont ask more coz it just makes things awkward. you dont have to believe what he says... just dont bitch on about not believing. he's been around (on and off) since before WCC existed on the Dre board and followed us here.
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today in the studio, whenever andre shows up, (which you never know when hes gonna come), we're gonna keep working on Xzibit's last track for man vs machine. saturdays are usually a day when dre don't really wanna work too hard so he probably won't get here for a while yet. but as hard as dre works during the weeks he's around I can't get too mad. some people seem to think dre is lazy and thats such bullshit. yeah he does disappear for a few days every once in a while to fly off to some tropical island or his sea house, but when he's in the studio he tires all of us out. an example was 3 weeks ago when The God was here. dre came in on a tuesday and didn't leave the studio until friday. a lot of times is in the studio before everyone else and is the last to leave. the dude will work all night. dre likes working when he thinks everyone else is sleeping or partying. the sad thing is that Dre spends all this time doing all these amazing tracks and only a few are heard by you, the public. i wish he would release more stuff but dre ain't ever gonna change. i feel bad for all you cause you'd love a lot of those tracks. dre just wants you to get the best and make sure your hard earned money ain't wasted and he will always be a perfectionist.
just a little advanced incite into Xzibit's man vs machine - i actually like it better than eminems album, and thats saying a lot. he's really stepped it up and dre's additions have made it ever better. shaunta' s sweet ass is about done with her album but i would guess it would come out next year. it depends on Oh My God and DETOX. for those of you doubting dre these days, keep doubting him. he wants you to. ill speak my peace about his work on em's album on that topic that now-i-know posted. but his work on OH MY GOD. "OH MY GOD"!! i get chills up my spine. and rakim - well lets just say as good as em is as a mc - he can't touch Rakim. sorry i missed informing you about Rakim's aftermath debut on Addictive before i left. dre wasn't going to put rakim on anything until oh my god but when dre, ra and truth were in the studio alone ra's verse was a perfect fit so dre decided to feature him in Addicitve. i didn't even know til i heard it on the radio driving home. i was like thanks dre! oh well dre likes to surpise people, from the people he works with and trusts to you the general public. just like hes gonna surpise you with Rakim's album. dre and ra are putting together an album that will go down in history. so keep doubting dre if you dare, that's fine. what is the status of Detox? Dre has changed his mind about the direction of this album a few times. It doesn't look like DETOX will be strictly a musical with the hit man plot. there will be elements but it won't be quite what dre told MTV it would be. however the musical direction of the album will sound like a musical. its gonna be so creative and inventive it will take years for others to catch up. from sound affects, change ups in the beats during tracks, orchestra and opera sounds, dre is really upping the ante. and it isn't anything like what hes done the last 3 years.. ill keep you up to date when i come back. it will probably be few months. for now peace to all of you. and may the funk never die. later y'all.
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thanks for the infos! i CANT WAIT for xzibits album shit is goin to be HOT!!
i hope ra and dre drop their albums before 2003 both but i doubt it :-/ shaunta seeems pretty tight too! physiclly and lyrically lol!
thanks again
peace
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dope ass news
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i think we lost a post where we came to the same conclusion about the storch situation in the big data loss we had this time lsat week (we lost the last 3 weeks of may).
What about Quik? is he involved in more Aftermath stuff?
ohh and whats the deal with Hittman now he's off the math.
along with these 2... i just remembered something else.
In a recent interview The DOC hinted that mel-man may be upset with the amount of credit he is given, comparing it to the situation Dre had at Death Row with Daz etc.
Is there any truth in this?
btw.. on hittman altho its not been seen on any big news sites ben baller has 'hitt has officially left the aftermath camp but is still cool with dre+mel-man' up on his site.
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YO, nice to have u back mellowman, and dope news, i cant wait for xzibits and rakims album... damn...
-{bLaDe}
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Yo...This producer named Phiasko who posts on this board made a thread saying how Dre Doesnt produce his own shit...He was saying how other people in the studio come up with the melodies and dres not even there whent they do it He said Dre doesnt do 95% of the work, and he just gets production credits because more people would wanna hear a Dre produced track, because Dres name is big...Can you make a thread explaining, cuz its kinda confusing what Dre does and doesnt do, and this guy, Phiasko, is giving Dre way too little credit...
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Damn, I'm so excited to have you back Mel. It's nice to see you takin care of all the fans.
the sad thing is that Dre spends all this time doing all these amazing tracks and only a few are heard by you, the public. i wish he would release more stuff but dre ain't ever gonna change.
When the aftermath compilation was released, dre eventually wasn't happy with it, because it was dubbed as ''sub-par'', he didn't like having his name on other peoples stuff. Because this made him look bad because of other peoples music. So why doesn't Dre do the opposite with leftovers? If he has a leftover, and isn't too sure about it, why doesn't he just give it to another Aftermath producer and let them put their name on it instead? That way everyones happy.
AND WHEN AM I GONNA GET TO HEAR MEL-MAN RAPPING AGAIN?
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Now- I- know, to address your question, people are gonna believe what they wanna believe. but dre DOES NOT put his name on something he doesn't do. if he did he would say he produced every song on the Eminem show or every song on truth's album, etc. dre is real careful not to take credit where he shouldn't. this phiaska guy can believe what he wants to believe. but his comments are nothing new. dre is so good that people will say anything to bring him down. but they can't. the only thing they can do is create lies. one lie is to challenge his manhood, call him gay. that is so lame and untrue its funny and its cowardly and weak for people to accuse dre of being gay. dre's wife and the other females he's had relationships and babies with will tell you that dre is definelty not gay. so thats one way to try and bring dre down. the second and most obvious lie to try and bring dre down is to accuse him of not doing the work he says he does. that is VERY MUCH a lie and pure bullshit. just ask artists from ren to cube to DOC to eminem to truth to snoop to busta to rakim and they will tell you dre most definetly does his own shit and is the lead creator of all the sounds, instruments and melodies. does he get help? of course he does. he gets help from co producers like mel man once in a while and he gets help from the musicians. do us musicians sometimes come up with melodies on our own? yes we do. prior to the scott storch incidents probably 20 to 30 percent of the tracks use melodies that we created away from dre's presence. but that is part of our job - we are musicians. this don't mean dre aint the producer. he still has to organize, mix and add things to our melodies to put the track together. after all that is what a producer is. idiots like this phiaska guy need to go to the fuckin dictionary and read the definitions of musicians and producer. sometimes dre takes completed songs and just adds his ideas and remixes and rearranges. when he does that he is credited as mixer only. on truths album dre organized, changed and remixed most of the tracks, but did not credit himself as producer. he used instrumentals other producers like quik and hi-tek gave him and added truth's vocals and remixed the track to make the completed song. but still he only credits himself as mixer in those cases. once in a while dre will take anothers producers track and add an instrument like a flute or additional keyboard part and give himself co producer credit, as he should. when a track is Produced by dre, dre is the man behind the sound. like i mentioned before, before the storch problems about 20 to 30 percent of the tracks used melodies that they created when dre wasn't in the studio. the other 70 to 80 percent were tracks dre was the creative force behind everything you hear. soemtimes dre makes melodies on keyboards and has the musicians play it and add our own touches to it or apply changes that dre suggests or hums to us. a lot of times dre comes up with sounds in his head and hums it to us. we pick up a bass guitar or sit down at the keyboard and play the melody or sound dre created in his head. dre chooses the instruments and sounds he wants. dre is basically an orchestra conducter. he puts all these different instruments, basslines, melodies, and sound affects together, organizes and mixes it. since scott got us in trouble dre is creating and dictating what every track sounds like. dre still trusts me enough to let me go to a different room or just go to the corner when hes doing something else and I create some chords, basslines, etc. ill take it to him and he'll either like it, hate it or tell me what i need to change or add. a lot of dres time is adding vocals to instrumentals we've already made or mixing already done tracks, so im not in the studio most of the time when hes doing the other stuff, so the scenerio i just mentioned don't happen often. if i am there when hes doing that other stuff its usually to be there in case dre needs something musical added. i just hang out with the artists, getting high or hitting on the females in the studio. like today, im typing and waiting for dre to call me in. but usually when i'm in the studio its to create new instrumentals with dre. dre, the engineers, and the musicians are there and its a jam session. we play all night once in a while. and dre is doing his conducting. he comes us with so many diiferent sounds and ideas its tough to keep up. but man is it fun. and the last six months we have been in a zone - dre is in a zone - and we've been literally creating orchestral pieces for Oh My God and Detox that are amazing. and trust me - dre is the man in charge - the originator, creator and innovator of it all. so fuck what you heard and fuck all the liars trying to bring dre down. it ain't working you punks. their just jealous and hateful cause dre is doing shit they can only dream of and making money they won't make in 100 lifetimes. well im gonna go check out whats going on cause dre's getting off the mixing board. hopefully hes done so i can get out of here. i doubt it though, he's probably just taking a food break. <sigh> i'm sure he'll keep remixing it for another 5 hours til its perfect. it probably won't even get finshed and ill have to come back on monday. uh oh - veto's pointing at me to get myself off the computer and into the main studio area. either cause dre wants me or to talk and plot how we're gonna steal dre's cheetos when he comes back. got to go. peace y'all. Now-I-Know, i posted a very indepth post about dre's recording process last year. have someone find it for you.
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getting high or hitting on the females in the studio.
lol dawn, that must be funny
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i believe everything you say except the relative statements you made (concerning dre's quality)
dre is still the best in my mind and very dope but everything he drops isn't up to snuff as it once was....eminem shows for example....Business is dope as he ever was,My dads gone crazy is experimental and very effective....say what u say....eh,it's still good compared to most hip-hop but it doesn't even sound like dre let alone his usual quality,my guess is dre wanted us to focus more on lyrics and lyrics alone so he put a not-so-attention-grabbing beat,because i refuse to believe that's the best he can do so i'm irked when you say he holds back great tracks because say what u say i doubt is the best out of a pack of dre's beats....either way eminem show is a masterful expansion on eminem's persona and in due time we'll be able to state if it's classic or not which it may be..now that he's covered his 3 personas he should get more experimental,no? eh either way great to hear from you and great to hear aftermath stuff,em and nas's latest is the only rap i've dug in awhiiile......peace-Tanjint
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[size=8]'Sup MellowMan[/size]
Man, I hope Truth drops the 25th, cause my ass is FIENDIN! Can't wait for that. Sorry to hear Storch may not be working with Dre again but that won't make a difference. I think Em's album is a classic and I can't wait to hear "Man Vs. Machine."
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Hey Mellow If you still have time to post could you give some info on Hittman? Im sure everyone on this board would GREATLY appriciate it. Like how long has it been since you've been in the studio with him and is he taking so long because of legal reasons since he left Aftermath? I havent forgotten about him but this is getting tiresome. He must have about 400 songs by now and I'm sure he could put out a dope album with what he has. Also his shit's getting out dated. He's been working on this since...... hell its been about 3 years at least hasn't it? Anyways thanks for the news and I hope you come by more than you said you would.
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welcome back Mello!
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these are the kind of threads that i like to see.
its good to see you posting again man,
just out of curiosity, what plans does dre have for snoops new album?
welcome back mellowman
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Yo what up... welcome back Mellow!...
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Welcome Bacc Mellow..
Your post's always entertain and catch the eye.
Your pressence & know-how about the music industry is much appreciated.
Keep it poppin', and the Platinum will continue to rain.
I'm defo feinding for that "truth hurt's", I wanna see another video, Cause she's fire :o
Mr X to the Z...........I'm Fiendin'
Detox.....................I'm Fiendin'
some more Mellow updates we are all fiendin'
Peace
Hatesrats 2oo2
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what up thanks for coming back....
props to eminem and dre for another dope aftermath release...
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Great info. Almost too much to take in all at once. hahaha..
All I know is that any release from Aftermath (that gets release:)) I will support. Aftermath production is top notch and unmatched in the game. Honored to get such exclusive information here first.. AT WCC!
Axle Fohley
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am i trippen
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Well well well. I am soo glad you are back. I never get tired of reading your stuff. Hope everything is well and thanks for all the information.
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Yeah! welcome back Mellow!!!
I always enjoy your posts and i dont doubt you for a second!
Those fools that doubts you are jealous bitches (no names)
so dont bother...
Keep coming up with the good shit as usual then im happy.
BUT PLEASE!!! post some very very dope info on Rah´s album, cuz u cant get enough of that. Like what the songs sound like, who features, producers, how many Dresongs there will be ya know, everything that worth to tell, cuz you gotta have tons of info on "Oh my god"
Peace
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My Man Mellow, cool to see you back. You allways bring some tight news, gotta admit I've missed reading your posts, and the things you've written today are, as allways, really informative and a cool read ;)
WELCOME BACK 8)
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Wooooooooooo, Mellow's back. Thanks for the info homie. Great to see from you again.
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mellowman> i in no way was ever tryin' to bring dre down. i mean this is only a small board on the internet that a majority of the people don't read. i was just brining up the question because i myself began questioning when i read something from Eminem's ANgry Blonde book. I had never questioned Dre before, cuz i love his music, but what made me question was someting i read in Eminem's explination for hte REAL SLIM SHADY lyrics, when he was like "dre wasn't in the studio, and thats when we came up with the meldoy loop for the song", so it got me thinking, if they did this for one song, how many other songs are made like this? im not in the studio, and neither are the people that tried to explain it to me, so i nor we don't know. then i started questioning what a producer really does, which lately after talking with a few music professionals i know i have eased up on. but after what u say about dre, i can only believe you, cuz u obviously are there and know whats giong on for sure. but my motives were never to bring down dre, cuz i even hated to think that he wasn't doing any work, but i became skeptical to think that he was doing most of the work... but now i know.. thanks.... one!
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Thats Phiasko^^^
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Hey mellow, I got a question 'bout Rakim's album...
Is it gonna be produced by Dre only - like Snoop's Doggystyle or D.O.C.'s No One Can Do It Better (with additional help from co-producers & musicians, of course) - or will it be a "typical" album in the sense that multiple producers contribute to it? 'Cause if it's Dre + Rakim only, it'll be a monster big enough to leave every other monster on the planet - from Mickey Mouse to Godzilla - in its shade...
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people are gonna believe what they wanna believe. but dre DOES NOT put his name on something he doesn't do.
R U kidding me? Tha Next Episode beat aint his at all, He just added some bass, but he still put his name on it.
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the beat was original. the main sample used wasnt.. so whut.
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that is the newz that i wanted to hear bout ra.....but i already had a feelin that it will be a classic and change the gsme of hip-hop, especially when the best mc and producer collide.......good newz youngin....holla back
peace
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Wahey, Mellow ;D Good to see you back man, glad you've got your shit sorted out and that you've decided to grace us with your inside info once again :)
Oh yeah, Mellow, cop a WCC hoody. Represent ;D ;) Lol.
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R U kidding me? Tha Next Episode beat aint his at all, He just added some bass, but he still put his name on it.
U know the originator of the beat for "The Next Episode" complimented Dre on how he just took it and made it sound THAT MUCH better...
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yo mellowman, u kno how many tracks dre is hookin up for snoops new album?
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Sup,
thanks for posting this amazing news.
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does anyone know the name and artist for the original song that Dre sampled THE NEXT EPISODE from. i didn't know that that was a remake. Although, if anyone has heard the TASH album, there is a dope track that uses that same sample, and the beat is very similar to THE NEXT EPISODE, it even does the thing at the begning, but it does it differently. Its a dope track. For you DJ's, it's a fun track to mix back and forth with, with Dre's version. But back to my previous question, does anyone know that original aritst and track title to the sample used on THE NEXT EPISODE?
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yes.
He sampled from David McAllum - The Edge.
The song was produced by a guy called David Axelrod.
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What's up with the supposed DR.DRE-SNOOP DOGG BEEF?
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Mel ...
one question:
Interview with aftermath the artists and producers for www.Aftermathmusic.com and tha WCC ...
we ask - the aftermath camp answers
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good to have u back
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Ay, i can't find that track THE EDGE by David McAllum, does anyone have it that can send it to me, i'm dying to hear it
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i only have a low quality 57 second clip of it. I've been searcing everywhere for it, but i can't find it.
U know the originator of the beat for "The Next Episode" complimented Dre on how he just took it and made it sound THAT MUCH better..
yeah i believe he siad it was "genious" the way he used the intro in the middle of the song like that. And the way he mixed it was "amazing".
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yeah it was.. and the man giving props was David Axlerod.. i really ought to scan it in