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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: GangstaBoogy on August 17, 2005, 05:47:29 AM
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i remember when the rumors started circulating that nas was signing to murder inc, everyone was mad at nas for being a veteran signing to some young cats who were putting out "bubble gum rap"
but i dont see anyone saying the same thing about mobb deep & m.o.p. for signing to 50 "candy shop" cent.
theres no reason besides the same double standard that me, sgv, caution, and a few other cats been noticing
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well i think it might have something to do with Nas bein on top when those rumors where goin around and no one can claim that Mobb Deep or M.O.P. are anywhere near the top and they can´t sell records and Nas can so that might´ve been it. peeps might be happy that Mobb Deep and M.O.P. will finally put out albums that has a chance to sell a lot. i don´t know, i didn´t wanna see Nas on MI and i don´t wanna see Mobb Deep or M.O.P. on G-Unit.
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i didn´t wanna see Nas on MI and i don´t wanna see Mobb Deep or M.O.P. on G-Unit.
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lol, totally different situations.
Nas looked set to jump on Irv Gotti beats and get Ashanti hooks with Ja Rule adlibs and Cadillac Tah guest spots, while Mobb & M.O.P. just got access to producers like Dr.Dre, Scott Storch, Hi-Tek, Alchemist, JR, Focus, + they already had access to DJ Premier, Havoc, DR Period, etc.
Who cares if they will have 50 on a track or two, and Banks/Buck/Yayo on another, it's not like anybody in G-Unit is worse than Littles, Noyd, Infamous Mobb, or Fox. :D
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^Umm...add Eminem, The Neptunes & Timbaland to the producer list for M.O.P.
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^^ I think 50 used those as a example to prove that M.O.P. can get ANY producer they want now that they are on G-Unit..
I have yet to see 50 using Timbaland or Neptunes..
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Mobb Deep and MOP are such legends though that they shouldnt have to sell out at this point, its even kinda insulting to hear 50 say "MOP and Mobb Deep are the future" when those cats have like 10-15 years in the game. fuck 50 for thinkin he's helpin them out when he's just gonna water their shit down into another commercially viable bullshit g unit record. fuck him in his stupid asshole.
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mm maybe mop and mob deep not at the same level as nas..
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mm maybe mop and mob deep not at the same level as nas..
Yeah,they're not legends ::)
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what the fuck are u bitches babblin about? MOP might not be as strong, but Mobb are just as legendary as Nas, i dont maybe theres just a bunch of cats here who havent listened to hip hop before 98, kinda sad that they think theyre qualified to call a legend
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lol, totally different situations.
Nas looked set to jump on Irv Gotti beats and get Ashanti hooks with Ja Rule adlibs and Cadillac Tah guest spots, while Mobb & M.O.P. just got access to producers like Dr.Dre, Scott Storch, Hi-Tek, Alchemist, JR, Focus, + they already had access to DJ Premier, Havoc, DR Period, etc.
Who cares if they will have 50 on a track or two, and Banks/Buck/Yayo on another, it's not like anybody in G-Unit is worse than Littles, Noyd, Infamous Mobb, or Fox. :D
LMAO tell me who is better than Noyd on g-unit.. thats bs
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LMAO tell me who is better than Noyd on g-unit.. thats bs
Everybody except Yayo. :D
Banks/Buck is WAY better than Littles, Chinky & Infamous Mobb too.
mm maybe mop and mob deep not at the same level as nas..
Yeah,they're not legends ::)
I hope that was irony.
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Because at that time everyone hated Ja Rule. It wasn't about "Ashanti Hooks and Irv Gotti Beats." It was about Nas aligning himself with the most hated man in Rap. 50 is hated, but he still has his loyal followers (who were at one time Ja Rule fans).
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LMAO tell me who is better than Noyd on g-unit.. thats bs
Everybody except Yayo. :D
Banks/Buck is WAY better than Littles, Chinky & Infamous Mobb too.
mm maybe mop and mob deep not at the same level as nas..
Yeah,they're not legends ::)
I hope that was irony.
::) This smilie right here means "being sarcastic".Im a huge fan of M.O.P,both Tha Liks & M.O.P are my 2 favorite rap groups.lmao at just chillin till halloween,I expect some apologies.
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You're excused. ;D
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mop and mobb deep aint nowhere near nas level
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^Lyrically no.But when it comes to their status,yes,they are up there wit Nas.
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LMAO tell me who is better than Noyd on g-unit.. thats bs
Everybody except Yayo. :D
Banks/Buck is WAY better than Littles, Chinky & Infamous Mobb too.
mm maybe mop and mob deep not at the same level as nas..
Yeah,they're not legends ::)
I hope that was irony.
Have you ever heard the usual suspects EP? I was talking about Noyd. Fuck outta here with littles and infamous mobb i know they sucks. Maybe buck is the best out of g-unit but 50 and banks cant touch Big Noyd lyrically. Check out all his appearances on all Mobb deep's albums and tell me Noyd is wack.
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^Lyrically no.But when it comes to their status,yes,they are up there wit Nas.
nah nigga aint no way that either of em on nas level. maybe mobb deep might be a lil under nas but mop gotta look way up to see nas.
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M.O.P. catalog > Nas catalog
They're not really comparable because of the totally different styles, but if you look into it, M.O.P. released better albums than Nas, even if Nas released more albums.
Big Noyd isn't on Banks/Buck level, I've heard his albums, and I've heard every Mobb Deep album, he's just a sidekick with predictable rhymes and the occasional heated verse.
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nigga u trippin n u must be outta ur damn mind if u think mop got better albums than nas
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^Lyrically no.But when it comes to their status,yes,they are up there wit Nas.
nah nigga aint no way that either of em on nas level. maybe mobb deep might be a lil under nas but mop gotta look way up to see nas.
They've been doing this for years,they've worked wit numerous respected mc's/producers & have classic songs.Thats more than enough to call them legends.
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legends? nigga u out ur damn mind.
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nigga u trippin n u must be outta ur damn mind if u think mop got better albums than nas
mop and mobb deep aint nowhere near nas level
No, but with quotes like these, you show that you are either a Nas dickryder, or you haven't even heard M.O.P. or Mobb Deep's discography of classics.
Nas is the best lyricist of the 3 acts, but to say that Mobb Deep and M.O.P.'s catalogs can't compare to Nas discography, is blasphemy, cuz they're all hiphop legends.
Nas & M.O.P. started in 94, and Mobb Deep started in 93, and together they have released so many classic joints for over a decade, it's not even funny.
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nigga u trippin n u must be outta ur damn mind if u think mop got better albums than nas
mop and mobb deep aint nowhere near nas level
No, but with quotes like these, you show that you are either a Nas dickryder, or you haven't even heard M.O.P. or Mobb Deep's discography of classics.
Nas is the best lyricist of the 3 acts, but to say that Mobb Deep and M.O.P.'s catalogs can't compare to Nas discography, is blasphemy, cuz they're all hiphop legends.
Nas & M.O.P. started in 94, and Mobb Deep started in 93, and together they have released so many classic joints for over a decade, it's not even funny.
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ya together and most of that shit is nas and mobb deep's. mop aint nowhere near that shit.
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ya together and most of that shit is nas and mobb deep's.
Speak english.
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ya together and most of that shit is nas and mobb deep's. mop aint nowhere near that shit.
http://www.ohhla.com/YFA_mop.html
That discography doesn't include a whole army of classics ?? ??
I bet you're newschool and haven't heard close to half of it, how old are you son ?
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cuz they licked 50's weener, why else
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nah it doesnt include a whole shitload of "classics". nigga ur prolly sum european whos tryin 2 fit in. if any1 is a dick rider its u. i even said mobb deep was close 2 bein on nas level. that aint dickriding. i give mobb deep props but mop aint on nas level. ur riding mop dick.
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That settles it.
You're a 15 year old Nas fan who have never heard a M.O.P. record. Next.
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i think cause everybody hated or styll hatez Ja for seemingly tryna be like 2Pac.
altho 50 and affiliates hav raped Pac's vocalz to benefit them, he dun act like Pac.
another reason may be affiliationz. Ja is friendz wit Suge Knight, who a lot ppl that ive talked to hate.
meanwhile, 50 is with Dre and Eminem, who a lot of ppl seem to like.
so these may be a couple of potential reasonz.
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That settles it.
You're a 15 year old Nas fan who have never heard a M.O.P. record. Next.
wrong on both accusations. jus cuz i said mop aint on nas level dont mean im a dickrider. i coulda said the same for a comparison of mop and jay, mop and pac, or any1 of the greats. mop aint up there wit em and it takes sum1 who does sum serious mop dickriding 2 say that they are
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Ok, if you say so. :D
I consider the catalogs of Nas, M.O.P. and Mobb Deep on about the same level, you don't, let's leave it at that. :)
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yea we can leave it at that. but 2 say that mop up there wit the greats of hiphop like pac jay nas ice cube n dem niggas is blasphemy
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Depends on if you're looking at lyricism alone, or the music they make..
You can make very good hiphop music without being a extreme lyricist, I would never nominate M.O.P. or Mobb Deep for "Top 10 rappers" or "Best lyricist"
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First off, i don't blame either MOP or Mobb DEep for signing with 50. ANd that Outta Control remix is te tightest G-Unit related song since In da CLub, so its working so far. However, the guy who started the thread is absolutely right, its all double standards, and once again JOME is the culprit. I mean, MOP did songs with LFO and a Spice Girl, but its always SNoop wo's the sellout (which admittedly he can be).
50 has these guys on workout plans, this shit is ridicuolous, i hope the music is tight because MOP has made dope albums in the past (although their ROc album was shaping up to be a little wack).
Jome, to say MOP has a better catologue that NAS is crazy, statements like this explain why you have so little respect on the board. Nas dropped two 5 mic albums, plus Lost Tapes and It was Written (which, "If you look into it", is a surprisingly dope ass near classic album). Ya, MOp is mad talented and have their share of great songs, but only a diehard MOP fan (i won't say dickrider, if you're a fan you're a fan) would say MOp has released better albums than Nas.
Ain't know way MOP is getting close to seeing Nas, but still, MOP is tight, and if Prodigy shapes up these could be great signings for 50 Cent. And i guarantee Mase is gonna come back in a major way selling a few Million wen he drops on G Unit
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Another diehard Nas fan. :D
You say Nas have 2 classic albums, plus 2 as-good-as-classics, maybe we should look a little into our own bias here teecee.. ?? ;)
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I can see Mobb Deep at Nas' level, but M.O.P having an army of classics? ::)
And yes I`ve heard 4 of their albums so far...and I don`t hear classic material. Sorry.
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Jome, explain to me what you mean when you say ""Nas looked set to jump on Irv Gotti beats and get Ashanti hooks with Ja Rule adlibs and Cadillac Tah guest spots, while Mobb & M.O.P. just got access to producers like Dr.Dre, Scott Storch, Hi-Tek, Alchemist, JR, Focus, + they already had access to DJ Premier, Havoc, DR Period, etc. "??
What, because Nas was featured on that Tupac rip off song with MI? (can't remember the name). But the difference in all this that nobody else is mentioning is that NAS NEVER SIGNED WITH MURDER INC. You don't think he could have signed with MI and went pop like a motherfucker and clocked bank? Hell yeah he could but he didn't. Point blank MOP and MOBB DID sign with G-Unit. Off top, they're selling out. If 50 or anybody in G-Unit pops up on that album, if they make bitch ass club shit then they are sellouts. Like teecee said, they already admitted they got MOP in the gym - how long before they start posing in pictures with their shirts off??
If its just business, and no one from g-unit shows up, and they don't switch their style up, then it would be different. But its sounding to me like i'm gonna fuckin puke when i hear this shit.
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lol, totally different situations.
Nas looked set to jump on Irv Gotti beats and get Ashanti hooks with Ja Rule adlibs and Cadillac Tah guest spots, while Mobb & M.O.P. just got access to producers like Dr.Dre, Scott Storch, Hi-Tek, Alchemist, JR, Focus, + they already had access to DJ Premier, Havoc, DR Period, etc.
Who cares if they will have 50 on a track or two, and Banks/Buck/Yayo on another, it's not like anybody in G-Unit is worse than Littles, Noyd, Infamous Mobb, or Fox. :D
bullshiet, you just say that cuz you love mop & g-unit. nas never said nothin about getting ashanti on his hooks or none of that other shiet you listed. he was just lookin for more fame (just like mobb deep & mop are).
nas with ja rule and ashanti = a no no?
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mop with 50 cent & olivia = okay?
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as long as the music is hot I dont give a fuck
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Bottom line, if M.O.P. and Mobb Deep makes love songs and club hits with Lil Jon beats, and Tony Yayo adlibs on their albums, then they sold out.. until then, they haven't.
Nas never signed to Murder Inc., so he didn't really do anything, but the thought of Nas making Mesmerize 2 or I'm Real 2 feat. Jennifer Lopez scared the living shit out of most Nas fans, and as Nas had already made a track or two with Ja Rule, that looked way more likely than M.O.P. dancing around in the club with their shirts off.
nas with ja rule and ashanti = a no no?
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mop with 50 cent & olivia = okay?
I'd rather see Nas with 50, than Nas with Ja Rule and Ashanti, Olivia I don't care much about.
What part is it that you don't get ?
Also, I'd rather see Nas with Banks, Buck, Mobb Deep and M.O.P. on his album, than Ja Rule, Ashanti, Caddilac Tah and Irv Gotti. :wavey:
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^lol so as long as an artist is with g-unit its good?
i mean everything you sayin is speculation. nas couldve sold hella records just cuz he was on ja's team. look at the song they recorded together "The Pledge". was nas singin love songs?
mobb deep & mop are about to go real pussy. you see yayo is singin love songs & 50 was talkin about makin mop go to the gym
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Bottom line, if M.O.P. and Mobb Deep makes love songs and club hits with Lil Jon beats, and Tony Yayo adlibs on their albums, then they sold out.. until then, they haven't.
Nas never signed to Murder Inc., so he didn't really do anything, but the thought of Nas making Mesmerize 2 or I'm Real 2 feat. Jennifer Lopez scared the living shit out of most Nas fans, and as Nas had already made a track or two with Ja Rule, that looked way more likely than M.O.P. dancing around in the club with their shirts off.
Read Yayo's interview. He specifically says that he didn't release a street single as the lead because its too limited in its appeal. That's G-Unit's formula. What makes you think they're gonna switch it up for MOP? I'd say its a safe bet that 50 is gonna market MOP exactly how he markets anyone else. Now i'm all for people making money, especially veterans in the game who deserve much more than alot of these cats gettin money. But they're sellin out to do so.
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I don't even like Nas. Hell, I like M.O.P. 10x more. But, to say their catalog is on par with Nas'? Jomo... You really dickride too hard. You're also a grade A hater to say that. Eh... Whatever.
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^lol so as long as an artist is with g-unit its good?
i mean everything you sayin is speculation. nas couldve sold hella records just cuz he was on ja's team. look at the song they recorded together "The Pledge". was nas singin love songs?
mobb deep & mop are about to go real pussy. you see yayo is singin love songs & 50 was talkin about makin mop go to the gym
Nope and nope.
I'd rather see Nas signing with Star Trak than signing with Murder Inc.
I also believe that Nas could have sold millions on The Inc with the right promotion, but that doesn't mean I'd like to see him on Murder Inc, it's the music that counts for me.
I have yet to see a Nas-fan (except you) be positive about him signing with Murder Inc.
Read Yayo's interview. He specifically says that he didn't release a street single as the lead because its too limited in its appeal. That's G-Unit's formula. What makes you think they're gonna switch it up for MOP? I'd say its a safe bet that 50 is gonna market MOP exactly how he markets anyone else. Now i'm all for people making money, especially veterans in the game who deserve much more than alot of these cats gettin money. But they're sellin out to do so.
Time will tell, your guess is as good as mine. :)
I don't even like Nas. Hell, I like M.O.P. 10x more. But, to say their catalog is on par with Nas'? Jomo... You really dickride too hard. You're also a grade A hater to say that. Eh... Whatever.
Go back to bumping Mauzip, why don't you.
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I don't even like Nas. Hell, I like M.O.P. 10x more. But, to say their catalog is on par with Nas'?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. ;D
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^lol so as long as an artist is with g-unit its good?
i mean everything you sayin is speculation. nas couldve sold hella records just cuz he was on ja's team. look at the song they recorded together "The Pledge". was nas singin love songs?
mobb deep & mop are about to go real pussy. you see yayo is singin love songs & 50 was talkin about makin mop go to the gym
Nope and nope.
I'd rather see Nas signing with Star Trak than signing with Murder Inc.
I also believe that Nas could have sold millions on The Inc with the right promotion, but that doesn't mean I'd like to see him on Murder Inc, it's the music that counts for me.
I have yet to see a Nas-fan (except you) be positive about him signing with Murder Inc.
cuz i havent been programmed to hate murder inc. and besides im a fan so i dont care who he signs with. just like everyone was mad at kurupt for going to death roww; i didnt have a problem with it cuz im a fan.
like i said man its a double standard. i dont have the time or the energy to deal with you're dickryding right now.
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cuz i havent been programmed to hate murder inc. and besides im a fan so i dont care who he signs with. just like everyone was mad at kurupt for going to death roww; i didnt have a problem with it cuz im a fan.
like i said man its a double standard. i dont have the time or the energy to deal with you're dickryding right now.
AHHH, you're a fan, so you are not allowed to have a opinion of your own, I get it.
So, if I asked you, would you rather see Nas sign with DJ Premier's label, Murder Inc, G-Unit, Star Trak, or Koch, you couldn't answer because you're just a fan ?
There's a lot of artists I like better than G-Unit, but none of them have the financial power to have records promoted/released, that's why I'm positive about artists signing with G-Unit, instead of labels where they will be sitting on the shelves. Another main point is that G-Unit have access to all the top producers, not many labels have that.
That's why I was happy with M.O.P. signing with the ROC, because I thought it finally meant that they would get something released..
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dat nigga jome be trippin. i mean i agree i dont wanna see nas on murder inc but ur dickriding mop real hard. u got that groupie love for dem niggaz no joke. army of classics lol wtf man get that dick out yo mouth.
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haha fuck an apology. say what u mean dont use queer little smilies were not in middle school
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Another main point is that G-Unit have access to all the top producers, not many labels have that.
That's why I was happy with M.O.P. signing with the ROC, because I thought it finally meant that they would get something released..
Murder Inc has access to many Producers as well. Don't forget they're through Def Jam. Def Jam > G-Unit as far as love. The only people that Murder Inc won't have access to is Dre, Eminem and various people affiliate with them. But, being that it's NAS they COULD'VE had that access.
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^^^You're forgetting one thing about Murder Inc: They care more about R&B singers on that label than rappers. Ja Rule is the only rapper on that label who has released an album. That fag Lloyd got an album released shortly after he was signed, yet Black Child, Ronnie Bumps, Cadillac Tah, etc. Have been waiting for years to put out an album. What makes you think Nas would've been any different?
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You understand that it's VERY easy to market an R&B artist right? You realize Nas is a legend and has his loyal fan base right? Black Child and the rest are NOT Nas. They have NO fan base. They're careers had to be started from scratch. Nas had been in the game. He's a vet. Nas is uncomparable to Black Child and everyone else Murder Inc signed.
Also... Don't forget that they DID release a Murderer's album.
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haha fuck an apology. say what u mean dont use queer little smilies were not in middle school
What a fuckin moron,get wit the times.
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lol at mobb deep and mop in new tony yayo video doing that stupid thing that yayo does(covering his face).they look like idiots
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MOP = legends, denying they got classics out is stupid.
I'm not really into Mobb, not my taste, but I sure ain't happy with mop signing to g-unit, then again they gotta get an album out it's been a damn long time..
I can't tell how it's gon be though, on the one hand it's mop, they never sold out and it's kinda hard to believe they will, on the other hand I don't really believe 50's bitch ass when he talks about not wanting to change them since he loves how they are. He also talked about Ja being rnb, not hiphop, now he looks exactly like ja did with ashanti so he doesn't seem to have a problem with contradicting himself.
I think it's well possible though that MOP will release an album as we're used to, wit 2 or 3 club bangers (which is not a bad thing in their case, remember ante up, cold as ice.. club anthem in their case means robbery anthem lol, they ain't yet changed for shit EVER, even on the spice girl collabo) being the 'commercial' part. I know they won't change their subject matter or their flows, what's left to worry about is production and the hooks.. keep that joe faggot the fuck off the record.
as for the original topic, nas did that jlo joint around the same time and everybody expected the worst when they heard about him sigining with murder inc while in this case people are still hopin mop and mobb won't change on gunit records.
Once they released their album and it turns out to be a sell out and people are denying it, you can talk about double standards.. until then it's all speculation.
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MOP = legends, denying they got classics out is stupid.
Mobb Deep has tons more classics than MOP. Again, I like MOP more than Mobb Deep. People need to realize, MOP really aren't legends. They're the equivalent to The Luniz. One big hit and a few MINOR ripples outside of that.
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MOP = legends, denying they got classics out is stupid.
Mobb Deep has tons more classics than MOP. Again, I like MOP more than Mobb Deep. People need to realize, MOP really aren't legends. They're the equivalent to The Luniz. One big hit and a few MINOR ripples outside of that.
aite dis sgv nigga knows what hes talkin about. no1 hatin on mop they coo but they aint got no army of classics and they aint on the level of pac, big, krs, rakim, nas, etc. how the fuck can u even mention mop in the same line as these tight ass muthafuckas.
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lol at mobb deep and mop in new tony yayo video doing that stupid thing that yayo does(covering his face).they look like idiots
yeah, as if it wasnt gay enough with just yayo doin it