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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Drudge on September 23, 2005, 07:44:53 AM
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http://www.gigwise.com/news.asp?contentid=8712
Jay-Z aka Shawn Carter has hit out at white folk encroaching on the predominantly black hip hop scene.
The president of Def Jam appreciates those white folk who contribute to the scene and culture but dislikes those who just jump on the urban band wagon.
After winning the GQ Award for International Man Of The Year he said to the magazine: "They think they can say those words and take ownership of hip-hop. You can't. It's a lifestyle. It's a culture. It's not just music.
"It's the way you present yourself, the way you talk, it's all that. You can't just say 'holler back' and you're in. It doesn't work like that."
Is he talking about Gwen Stefani there d’ya think?
He went onto say: "Look at Eminem. He grew up around the culture his whole life. He's not capitalising off the culture, in my opinion. It's what he is."
Well, sor-ry Jay-Z, didn’t know you owned hip hop…oh sorry, you practically do.
Yeah, hiphop aint about color Jay. Hiphop is a lifestyle. The problem, aint about saying "hollaback", its about talented rappers not getting the opportunity to show off their skills.
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I'm sure a lot of black people and people of other races have jumped on the bandwagon too.
It happens to everything successful.
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fuck gay-z ;D
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I'm sure a lot of black people and people of other races have jumped on the bandwagon too.
great point, i didn't know only white people could leech off hip hop
i look at all these pop rappers and see the same thing jay is talking about, fakeness has no color boundry
i hate it when black people say shit like this
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Jay Z should think before he opens his mouth. How come Beyonce (who grew up middle class in the south) can have rappers all over her videos, but Gwen Stefani can't do it herself? Music doesn't belong to anybody, and to be honest I'd rather hear Gwen Stefani's cd than Jay's last one. Maybe he just feels threatened, lol.
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White rappers and producers r doin a betta job than black people anyway, jus look at Scott Storch and JR, eminem, then u look at luda chingy and Nelly?
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White rappers and producers r doin a betta job than black people anyway, jus look at Scott Storch and JR, eminem, then u look at luda chingy and Nelly?
co-sign
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lol people calm down,its not like Jay has something against us.Its all about white people who watch MTV all day who think they listen to hip hop but in reality the only rappers they listen to is 50 & co,white music artists who just started working wit hip hop artists cause of its popularity & so on.
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White rappers and producers r doin a betta job than black people anyway, jus look at Scott Storch and JR, eminem, then u look at luda chingy and Nelly?
look at Vanilla Ice and then look at Rakim ::)
and I have so much sympathy for Jay, I can hardly take it
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immigrants taking all our jobs :'(
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White rappers and producers r doin a betta job than black people anyway, jus look at Scott Storch and JR, eminem, then u look at luda chingy and Nelly?
suuuuuuurrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ::)
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theres gonna be a lot of butthurt euros on this site
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theres gonna be a lot of butthurt euros on this site
no offense to all of you guys, but LMAO
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White rappers and producers r doin a betta job than black people anyway, jus look at Scott Storch and JR, eminem, then u look at luda chingy and Nelly?
LOL. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, great choices of artists to prove your point ::)
Look at all these guys gettin butthurt over the opinion of one man.
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White rappers and producers r doin a betta job than black people anyway, jus look at Scott Storch and JR, eminem, then u look at luda chingy and Nelly?
look at Vanilla Ice and then look at Rakim ::)
lol
but the comment about doing better was in itself an ignorant comment. You can't fight ignorance with more ignorance.
I agree with Hov on it should be what you are and who you are and not about jumping on a bandwagon, but jumping on a bandwagon has no color lines.
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The president of Def Jam appreciates those white folk who contribute to the scene and culture.......
yeah dumbass, which is an overwhelming percentage, majority of whites buy your garbage so shut up
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White rappers and producers r doin a betta job than black people anyway, jus look at Scott Storch and JR, eminem, then u look at luda chingy and Nelly?
co-sign
Did he really say that? Scott Storch one producer who is hot at the moment...Eminem the only non-black MC on this level, his last cd was garbage by the way..Look at Timbaland, Talib Kweli, Dr. Dre, Most Def, Common, Dead Prez
Jay-Z seems to be really be talking about people who aren't apart of the culture cashing in while its hot....Just bandwagon jumping straight up..
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kinda true in some cases tho
if some of the "successful" white ppl in the industry were black they wouldn't have achieved as much
i can see where he is coming from
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I never knew Jay-Z got down with reverse racism.
It's like if I were to say that Jay shouldn't act white by dressing in suits and go to meetings now that he runs Def Jam.
There are whites that bastardize hip hop, but there are blacks that do the same thing too.
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isnt Jay-Z gonna be helpin out Mike Shinoda (from Linkin Park, who is white) for a rap album or sumthin?
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theres gonna be a lot of butthurt euros on this site
no offense to all of you guys, but LMAO
hahaha
Not that I can really take what Jay-Z seriously, considering all the questionable music he has made over the years. He's coming accross as a hypocrite.
I do agree with the general premise that white owned media conglomerates and record labels are having way too much say in what music is heard on teh media outlets and what albums are promoted and released. Jimmy Iovine vetoing the Rakim/Dre project while putting out 50 Cent's garbage is perfect example of that.
I feel that we (black folks and anyone else who really cares about hip hop as a music and culture) need to have control over the media outlets, record labels and what music gets to be put out since it is our culture. Right now we have zero control.
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I never knew Jay-Z got down with reverse racism.
It's like if I were to say that Jay shouldn't act white by dressing in suits and go to meetings now that he runs Def Jam.
There are whites that bastardize hip hop, but there are blacks that do the same thing too.
It's not reverse racism, it's just straight up racism, no matter what colors you're talking about. Reverse racism doesn't exist.
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I never knew Jay-Z got down with reverse racism.
It's like if I were to say that Jay shouldn't act white by dressing in suits and go to meetings now that he runs Def Jam.
There are whites that bastardize hip hop, but there are blacks that do the same thing too.
It's not reverse racism, it's just straight up racism, no matter what colors you're talking about. Reverse racism doesn't exist.
No it isn't. You can't see what he's talking about? It's pretty obvious. For example, picture a white kid, ok he doesn't have to be white, he could be asian, whatever and then he uses the word "nigga" to show everyone how "down" he is. That's the type of shit that Jay-Z is talking about and yes, most black hip hop heads do find that type of shit insulting. There is a huge difference between someone who's real, and I've met plenty of white heads who are real and grewup in the shit, versus someone who tries to act down by talking with a fake accent and saying "nigga" every other word. That's whta he's referring too.
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I like how the article jumps to conclusions and basically puts words in Jay's mouth. I'm not even one to defend this guy, but where does he bash Gwen Stefani and white people with his own words? Mentioning Eminem and saying "holler back", which is said by lots of people, doesn't really prove any racism on Jay's part.
Don't believe everything that's presented to you.
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I like how the article jumps to conclusions and basically puts words in Jay's mouth. I'm not even one to defend this guy, but where does he bash Gwen Stefani and white people with his own words? Mentioning Eminem and saying "holler back", which is said by lots of people, doesn't really prove any racism on Jay's part.
Don't believe everything that's presented to you.
TRUE INDEED!!!!
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isnt Jay-Z gonna be helpin out Mike Shinoda (from Linkin Park, who is white) for a rap album or sumthin?
if you dont know the difference between artists and culture vultures ten maybe you just need to take off the sean john and do some homework. it didnt say jay hated hated white people.
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White rappers and producers r doin a betta job than black people anyway, jus look at Scott Storch and JR, eminem, then u look at luda chingy and Nelly?
lol ok pick the top white producers/rappers then compare em to the weakest black rappers
dr. dre > scott storch
timbaland > jr
nas > eminem
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isnt Jay-Z gonna be helpin out Mike Shinoda (from Linkin Park, who is white) for a rap album or sumthin?
if you dont know the difference between artists and culture vultures ten maybe you just need to take off the sean john and do some homework. it didnt say jay hated hated white people.
Yeah, Shinoda was a lyricist way before Linkin Park started puttin music out. He's not one of those cats that Juronimo mentioned either.
Fact of the matter is, some asshole wrote a bullshit article and treat it like it's law.
lol ok pick the top white producers/rappers then compare em to the weakest black rappers
dr. dre > scott storch
timbaland > jr
nas > eminem
That still cracks me up lol.
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White rappers and producers r doin a betta job than black people anyway, jus look at Scott Storch and JR, eminem, then u look at luda chingy and Nelly?
What were u thinking when u wrote this? stupid example. Here's three producers better still helping the hip hop game: Dre, quik, timbaland. There is alot of great 'black' underground artists on the west and east. Ras kass, crooked, xzibit, saigion...I will just stop right there. For real WTF were u thinkin before u wrote this?
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The president of Def Jam appreciates those white folk who contribute to the scene and culture.......
yeah dumbass, which is an overwhelming percentage, majority of whites buy your garbage so shut up
reasonable doubt >>> any album in your sig
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The president of Def Jam appreciates those white folk who contribute to the scene and culture.......
yeah dumbass, which is an overwhelming percentage, majority of whites buy your garbage so shut up
reasonable doubt >>> any album in your sig
Dogg Food>Reasonable Doubt
Kurupt in the 90's>>>>>>>>>>>Jay-Z
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The president of Def Jam appreciates those white folk who contribute to the scene and culture.......
yeah dumbass, which is an overwhelming percentage, majority of whites buy your garbage so shut up
reasonable doubt >>> any album in your sig
Dogg Food>Reasonable Doubt
Kurupt in the 90's>>>>>>>>>>>Jay-Z
lol
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The president of Def Jam appreciates those white folk who contribute to the scene and culture.......
yeah dumbass, which is an overwhelming percentage, majority of whites buy your garbage so shut up
reasonable doubt >>> any album in your sig
Dogg Food>Reasonable Doubt
Kurupt in the 90's>>>>>>>>>>>Jay-Z
kurupt in his prime >>> jay
reasonable doubt >>>> dogg food... one of the most overatted albums by west coast heads.
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The president of Def Jam appreciates those white folk who contribute to the scene and culture.......
yeah dumbass, which is an overwhelming percentage, majority of whites buy your garbage so shut up
reasonable doubt >>> any album in your sig
Dogg Food>Reasonable Doubt
Kurupt in the 90's>>>>>>>>>>>Jay-Z
kurupt in his prime >>> jay
reasonable doubt >>>> dogg food... one of the most overatted albums by west coast heads.
Just because you think it's overrated doesn't mean it is. Let's see how this sounds, Reasonable Doubt......one of the most overrated albums by eastcoast heads ::)
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Well, I take it back, because I don't see an actual quote from Jay where he singles out people based on race, so I apologize. Fuckin' media.
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what about a white kid from the suburbs who likes hip hop, loves the whole idea of rap, not neccessarily the culture, but the idea of rap, and doesnt want to be considered just some punk fake ass taking advantage of hip hop being "popular" and "poppy." See its not fair to us cause were autimatically considered "wiggers" and fakes even though i love hip hop, fuck the racial and class differences everybodys talkin about, i love ice cube, i love snoop, i love this guy named tonedeff, i love the best of eminem, i love jay-z, i love tupac, but i fuckin hate lil jon, i hate paul wall, i hate mike jones....ect, ect. everything always goes back to race, why cant it just be a genre of music. why cant people dislike what they dislike and like what they like.
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The president of Def Jam appreciates those white folk who contribute to the scene and culture.......
yeah dumbass, which is an overwhelming percentage, majority of whites buy your garbage so shut up
reasonable doubt >>> any album in your sig
Dogg Food>Reasonable Doubt
Kurupt in the 90's>>>>>>>>>>>Jay-Z
kurupt in his prime >>> jay
reasonable doubt >>>> dogg food... one of the most overatted albums by west coast heads.
Just because you think it's overrated doesn't mean it is. Let's see how this sounds, Reasonable Doubt......one of the most overrated albums by eastcoast heads ::)
its is but regardless
RD>>>DF
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^^ you're fucking crazy talking about RD is better then "dogg food" :grumpy:
fuck jay-z and his wack ass albums
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"Reasonable Doubt" is not wack AT ALL. jay-z ripped every verse on that album (except "Aint No Nigga")
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everything always goes back to race, why cant it just be a genre of music.
That's what I'm sayin. Everyone complicates life with pointing out race.
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lol at Dogg Food being overrated, one of the best rap albums EVER
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White rappers and producers r doin a betta job than black people anyway, jus look at Scott Storch and JR, eminem, then u look at luda chingy and Nelly?
Eminem ?......................lmao
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White rappers and producers r doin a betta job than black people anyway, jus look at Scott Storch and JR, eminem, then u look at luda chingy and Nelly?
Eminem ?......................lmao
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Seriously, this rap game becomes more and more wack. Everyday another rapper disses someone, drops invalid, interestless comments and talks BS in order to be in the spotlight. Make good music, try to use your voice, power to help your community instead of being very narrow minded. Rap is wack because of these (wannabe) rappers . White people, 12 year old girls or whoever aren't responsible for that. Plus this white-black shit and doubles standards are :puke:
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im sure he wont mind those same white people buying his albums!!!
peace
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im sure he wont mind those same white people buying his albums!!!
peace
Of course he won't,
did you see that shit 60 minutes had about him a few years ago where his manager said that 85% of his fans are White and they showed one of his performances and there was barely any black peopole there ?
When i saw that shit it was shocking....................
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Jay is right. Whats happening to rap = what happened to rock n roll. The number of people that wanna be down is way higher than the number of people who actually are.
For the guy from the suburbs who loves rap, thats cool, listen to it, enjoy it, love it and all that shit, but just remember that you are not a product of the same environment that made these guys what they are. I remember a time when rap was really the voice of the strets. It spoke to the streets and it spoke for the streets. How many suburban gangsta rappers have you come across these days? Kids tryin to rap about a lifestyle that theyve only heard about in the rap musc they love? Just the fact that that shit is even widespread enough for there to be hollywood feature films about it should tell you something about how much shit like that is really goin on.
For dude that said whites are making better rap than black people, to quote Snoop," Quit bullshittin witchaself." lol Scott Storch and Eminem, be serious for a minute. Im pretty sure most people here will agree that both of these guys are very talented at what they do, but neither one of them have the soul of a Sean T, Mike Mosely, The Roots, Sam Bostic, Bosko, Battlecat, Quik, Funk Daddy, Messy Marv, San Quinn, Mac Mall, Mac Dre, Nas, Suga Free, KRS One, 8ball, E-40, King Tee, etc,etc,etc. There's a certain level of authenticity that needs to remain a big part of rap. Without it, you are just talkin. Dont get me wrong now, eminem is talented, but why do you think he dont get love in the streets? His skin color probably is a factor, but it is very small compared to other factors like his content, his background, his voice, etc and shit like that. He's not authentic hood music and therefore can never get the love in the streets that somebody like Messy Marv and Turf Talk gets. The hood cant relate to the best white artists (Paul Wall is the exception, boy got spits!) even with Dre to cosign them, like they can relate to a lot of black artists that may or may not be less talented lyrically, but have roots in the hood and can let that aspect shine through their music. Before you send all the hate mail, no I'm not racist and I do believe white people can make solid positive contributions to rap, but like Jay said, its these bandwagon people comin in, capitalizing on it cause its the "in" thing thats fuckin shit up (among other things). Just my pennies...
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theres gonna be a lot of butthurt euros on this site
Chuuuuuch
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if you, as a hip hop artist, make songs like "I Just Wanna Love You" & "Change Clothes" and collaborate with white boy group Linkin Park you shouldn't whine about white people talking about hip hop
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if you, as a hip hop artist, make songs like "I Just Wanna Love You" & "Change Clothes" and collaborate with white boy group Linkin Park you shouldn't whine about white people talking about hip hop
I thought linkin park was mexicans.
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^^ you're fucking crazy talking about RD is better then "dogg food" :grumpy:
coming from a guy with Kurupt in his screen name, I guess this was a very objective comment.
RD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DF, 10 times. And I like DF and I´m not a big Jay-Z fan
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^^ you're fucking crazy talking about RD is better then "dogg food" :grumpy:
RD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DF, 10 times. And I like DF and I´m not a big Jay-Z fan
exactly how i feel.... odds are most of these people going on about how much RD sucks have never heard RD except for maybe the songs cant knock the hustle an aint no nigga
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id say rd blueprint and black album are all better than dogg food
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If I listen to "RD" i'm pretty sure i'll hated and probably fall a sleep.."Dogg Food Is A Classic Album,I still listen to it..& BTW
Dogg Food>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1,000,000 times better then "Un-RD"
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If I listen to "RD" i'm pretty sure i'll hated and probably fall a sleep.."Dogg Food Is A Classic Album,I still listen to it..& BTW
Dogg Food>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1,000,000 times better then "Un-RD"
Just tell us you like Dogg Food, dont comment on Reasonable Doubt then
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And people please read the article first! The writer is the one that implies racism
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If I listen to "RD" i'm pretty sure i'll hated and probably fall a sleep.."Dogg Food Is A Classic Album,I still listen to it..& BTW
Dogg Food>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1,000,000 times better then "Un-RD"
Just tell us you like Dogg Food, dont comment on Reasonable Doubt then
i was embarrass to say i have the album,i have heard that album, is garbage,i want to trade it for the new tony yayo album ;D
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fuck your opinion and the lakers cracker...juss playin,big up to the lakers, but really u should stop listening to rap
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if you, as a hip hop artist, make songs like "I Just Wanna Love You" & "Change Clothes" and collaborate with white boy group Linkin Park you shouldn't whine about white people talking about hip hop
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Yeah but he doesnt whine about white people. Read the god damn article
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Yeah but he doesnt whine about white people. Read the god damn article
Catching Feelings.......................? :eh:
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No. Is just that how many people are going to continue and talk shit about Jay Z for something he didnt say ?
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It just goes to show how many people actually read the article and thought about what it said lol. I'm sure it happens in other threads too.
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wow this is for all the white guys who said black people are too sensitive when it comes to race. OOOHHHH :'( GAY Z :'( :'( :'( FUCK HIM BOO HOO HOO!
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isnt Jay-Z gonna be helpin out Mike Shinoda (from Linkin Park, who is white) for a rap album or sumthin?
if you dont know the difference between artists and culture vultures ten maybe you just need to take off the sean john and do some homework. it didnt say jay hated hated white people.
calm down, wut i meant by my comment was referring to Gwen Stefani and how she came out wit "Hollaback Girl", a hip hop style song which is different from her normal music. him helpin out Shinoda make a hip hop album would mean the article twisted around his wordz in the sense that he duznt mind if they are rappers or artists or even grow up that way culturally, he's pissed that they startin actin all hood and shyt.
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Well, sor-ry Jay-Z, didn’t know you owned hip hop…oh sorry, you practically do.
Yeah, hiphop aint about color Jay. Hiphop is a lifestyle. The problem, aint about saying "hollaback", its about talented rappers not getting the opportunity to show off their skills.
OK Jay, put your money where your mouth is... up to 70% of all sales of hip hop come from white people, thats not counting other things like clothes etc.. so Jay if you're serious, give back 70% of your money... whats that? didnt think so... yeah it's ok to sell to them but not let em participate.. damn... is benzino-itis setting in already?
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Well, sor-ry Jay-Z, didn’t know you owned hip hop…oh sorry, you practically do.
Yeah, hiphop aint about color Jay. Hiphop is a lifestyle. The problem, aint about saying "hollaback", its about talented rappers not getting the opportunity to show off their skills.
OK Jay, put your money where your mouth is... up to 70% of all sales of hip hop come from white people, thats not counting other things like clothes etc.. so Jay if you're serious, give back 70% of your money... whats that? didnt think so... yeah it's ok to sell to them but not let em participate.. damn... is benzino-itis setting in already?
loll, benzino-itis; thas good
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what about a white kid from the suburbs who likes hip hop, loves the whole idea of rap, not neccessarily the culture, but the idea of rap, and doesnt want to be considered just some punk fake ass taking advantage of hip hop being "popular" and "poppy." See its not fair to us cause were autimatically considered "wiggers" and fakes even though i love hip hop, fuck the racial and class differences everybodys talkin about, i love ice cube, i love snoop, i love this guy named tonedeff, i love the best of eminem, i love jay-z, i love tupac, but i fuckin hate lil jon, i hate paul wall, i hate mike jones....ect, ect. everything always goes back to race, why cant it just be a genre of music. why cant people dislike what they dislike and like what they like.
They can. Do what you want to do, fuck what other people think, you're not hurting anybody. Music is a gift from God, it's one of the most spiritual things on earth (along with sex, nature, children, animals, stuff like that). Don't let anybody like Jay Z tell you what you can and can't listen to.
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OK Jay, put your money where your mouth is... up to 70% of all sales of hip hop come from white people, thats not counting other things like clothes etc.. so Jay if you're serious, give back 70% of your money...
LOL jesus white kids are sensetive as fuck these days. He obviously dont mind white kids and their white rap too much cause he did a song with eminem. And besides that, someone buying a cd and trying to make one when they got no business doin so is 2 completely different things. lol "give the white kids their money back." Just because you buy rap cds and enjoy the music, you enjoy dressin the part, reading all the mags and shit, that dont mean you got no business tryin to be a rapper. What Jay said was the equivalent of David Stern saying "If you have no background in basketball, you shouldnt be in the NBA." I enjoy watching basketball, I bought some jersies, I go to the games, I watch it on tv, I play NBA Live, so the fuck what? That dont mean I deserve a 72 million dollar contract to play for the Warriors, and since they aint gonna give me a contract does that mean they need to refund meverything I ever spent on basketball?
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I never knew Jay-Z got down with reverse racism.
It's like if I were to say that Jay shouldn't act white by dressing in suits and go to meetings now that he runs Def Jam.
There are whites that bastardize hip hop, but there are blacks that do the same thing too.
I never knew that if u wore nice suits and attended meetings u are acting white
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LOL jesus white kids are sensetive as fuck these days. He obviously dont mind white kids and their white rap too much cause he did a song with eminem. And besides that, someone buying a cd and trying to make one when they got no business doin so is 2 completely different things. lol "give the white kids their money back." Just because you buy rap cds and enjoy the music, you enjoy dressin the part, reading all the mags and shit, that dont mean you got no business tryin to be a rapper. What Jay said was the equivalent of David Stern saying "If you have no background in basketball, you shouldnt be in the NBA." I enjoy watching basketball, I bought some jersies, I go to the games, I watch it on tv, I play NBA Live, so the fuck what? That dont mean I deserve a 72 million dollar contract to play for the Warriors, and since they aint gonna give me a contract does that mean they need to refund meverything I ever spent on basketball?
i like the analogy, nicely said makes sense to me. Thats exactly how i look at it cept i think anyone can even try to make a cd whether your from the hoods of new york or the suburbs as long as you come real. if your not ghetto dont be ghetto, just spit what you truly feel and think, and people will connect. Thats why eminem and beastie boys were successful and vannilla ice and marky mark werent. It's the same as me or you going outside and playing some pick up basketball, Kobe is never gonna get on tv and be like if you dont have the talent to play in the NBA you shouldnt touch a basketball ever. Its always gonna happen too because just like a kid watching basketball wants to be like them and be good at basketball, we listen to tupac and wanna be like him and make people feel how he makes you feel, whether your white, black or purple. its the fake gimmicky shit thats the problem not people who arent from the streets tryin to rap.
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if your not ghetto dont be ghetto, just spit what you truly feel and think, and people will connect.
Thank you. That shit is so retarded. It seems like every dork, homo and internet geek wants to claim thug shit these days. Its fine to be a dork as long as you dont try to act like somethin else. Just look at Pharrell. He dont try to be no thug. In fact he seems like he takes pride in being the king of the dorks and it loks like its workin out pretty well for him.
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those damn white people
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^^ thats another problem
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LOL jesus white kids are sensetive as fuck these days. He obviously dont mind white kids and their white rap too much cause he did a song with eminem. And besides that, someone buying a cd and trying to make one when they got no business doin so is 2 completely different things. lol "give the white kids their money back." Just because you buy rap cds and enjoy the music, you enjoy dressin the part, reading all the mags and shit, that dont mean you got no business tryin to be a rapper. What Jay said was the equivalent of David Stern saying "If you have no background in basketball, you shouldnt be in the NBA." I enjoy watching basketball, I bought some jersies, I go to the games, I watch it on tv, I play NBA Live, so the fuck what? That dont mean I deserve a 72 million dollar contract to play for the Warriors, and since they aint gonna give me a contract does that mean they need to refund meverything I ever spent on basketball?
I'm not white so it doesn't do anything to me on a personal level. I hear your point, but the fact is more white people buy rap than black. They are just a bigger audience period. Naturally this is why vanill aice and marky mark had any success whatsoever. Your analogy is flawed because you say they have no business trying to be a rapper..BZZZZ wrong. They can try to be whatever they want. Thats like telling a thug not to try to be a business man. Now if they don't have the marketability (skill, talent, whatever) then they will fail regardless of background and chosen profession. Don't be scurred, they're only white folk.
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I never knew Jay-Z got down with reverse racism.
It's like if I were to say that Jay shouldn't act white by dressing in suits and go to meetings now that he runs Def Jam.
There are whites that bastardize hip hop, but there are blacks that do the same thing too.
I never knew that if u wore nice suits and attended meetings u are acting white
Same here
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White rappers and producers r doin a betta job than black people anyway, jus look at Scott Storch and JR, eminem, then u look at luda chingy and Nelly?
shut the fuck up rookie.bitch, you makeing your self sound like a racist...ride with your peeps,I understand that.but just dont let bullshit roll out your mouth,son.....you must be a shady-math-unit freak...fucking wigger in denail. 8)
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if your not ghetto dont be ghetto, just spit what you truly feel and think, and people will connect.
Thank you. That shit is so retarded. It seems like every dork, homo and internet geek wants to claim thug shit these days. Its fine to be a dork as long as you dont try to act like somethin else. Just look at Pharrell. He dont try to be no thug. In fact he seems like he takes pride in being the king of the dorks and it loks like its workin out pretty well for him.
So everyone who isnt a thug is labeled as a dork???Great logic ::)
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Music has no colour.
It is heard through the ears, not seen with the eyes.
End of story.
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if your not ghetto dont be ghetto, just spit what you truly feel and think, and people will connect.
Thank you. That shit is so retarded. It seems like every dork, homo and internet geek wants to claim thug shit these days. Its fine to be a dork as long as you dont try to act like somethin else. Just look at Pharrell. He dont try to be no thug. In fact he seems like he takes pride in being the king of the dorks and it loks like its workin out pretty well for him.
So everyone who isnt a thug is labeled as a dork???Great logic ::)
Thats not what I said, but if it makes you feel better, replace dork with square.
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LOL jesus white kids are sensetive as fuck these days. He obviously dont mind white kids and their white rap too much cause he did a song with eminem. And besides that, someone buying a cd and trying to make one when they got no business doin so is 2 completely different things. lol "give the white kids their money back." Just because you buy rap cds and enjoy the music, you enjoy dressin the part, reading all the mags and shit, that dont mean you got no business tryin to be a rapper. What Jay said was the equivalent of David Stern saying "If you have no background in basketball, you shouldnt be in the NBA." I enjoy watching basketball, I bought some jersies, I go to the games, I watch it on tv, I play NBA Live, so the fuck what? That dont mean I deserve a 72 million dollar contract to play for the Warriors, and since they aint gonna give me a contract does that mean they need to refund meverything I ever spent on basketball?
I'm not white so it doesn't do anything to me on a personal level. I hear your point, but the fact is more white people buy rap than black. They are just a bigger audience period. Naturally this is why vanill aice and marky mark had any success whatsoever. Your analogy is flawed because you say they have no business trying to be a rapper..BZZZZ wrong. They can try to be whatever they want. Thats like telling a thug not to try to be a business man. Now if they don't have the marketability (skill, talent, whatever) then they will fail regardless of background and chosen profession. Don't be scurred, they're only white folk.
Yeah, more white kids buy rap music than black folks, but I dont see how purchasing a product (regardless of race) is a qualification to become a rapper. People need to quit with that argument cause one has nothin to do with the other.
My analogy is not flawed, it fits perfectly. Im not saying no white people deserve to be in the game or have any business rapping. I'm talking about anybody who dont have the background. I only talked more about whites because people keep sayin shit like "white kids buy more rap cds than black kids so all white kids who like rap should be rappers."
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see theres the flaw, its not about background. hip hop is an attitude, its who you are. you dont have to be from the streets and thugged out and broke to be involved. its about struggle and persaverence and confidence in who you are. its about poetry and intelligence not being broke. thats just what everybody loves because thats the shit that moves people. those are the poeple who have the stories to tell that people want to listen to and can relate to or want to relate to in some way. i dont wanna hear the bull shit about only the bottom barrell of classes can be hip hop, hip hop has expanded. other people can relate and if you ask anyone involved theyll tell you that its a good thing hip hop has expanded.
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and no one said all white boys who like rap should rap, but its in no way your right to say that they cant. its so ignorent to think that anyone on this earth is not aloud to try somethin like rapping, they can try if they wnat, the only way your opinion matters in any way is whether or not you want to buy their cd. dont take the mainstream shit so personally no ones out to destroy rap they just doin what they do. people jumping on the "bandwagon," its annoying, i know but you gotta ignore and go on with your life.
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Background aint important? Well fuck it then, I'm gonna go perform open heart surgery then.
The way I see it, if it aint street shit it aint official. Even the party shit used to be street shit. Anything else is an imitation to me. But to each his own. It dont bother me like you think it does, thats just my pennies...
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Background aint important? Well fuck it then, I'm gonna go perform open heart surgery then.
The way I see it, if it aint street shit it aint official. Even the party shit used to be street shit. Anything else is an imitation to me. But to each his own. It dont bother me like you think it does, thats just my pennies...
I don't understand what you mean when you say not being able to do something if you don't come from it. You say you shouldn't be in the NBA if you don't come from basketball, but if you are a fan and you buy all the merchandise and watch the games, are you saying you have no right playing the game at all? You don't ever play basketball or shoot around on the hoop. If a white kid from Ohio likes rap and is really into it he should be able to rap if he wants to and if he is very good then I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed to make money off his skills.
You say if it isn't from the streets it isn't official. I don't get that either. Going back to basket ball. Basket Ball was created by a Canadian White guy. Should American Black guys not be able to play it because they don't come from the origin. If they are good then they should be able to showcase their talent.
Personally I hate it when white kids that walk slanted wear pants below their and talk with fake accents, but I hate it when black kids do it. It's just the way I feel about the style, but I would never force them not to act the way they wish (unless they were my kids).
I just hopeJay Z realizes that if it weren't for white people with no knowledge of hip hop or the street culture using their dollars and marketing techniques that Jay would still be selling drugs on a street corner.
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I never knew Jay-Z got down with reverse racism.
It's like if I were to say that Jay shouldn't act white by dressing in suits and go to meetings now that he runs Def Jam.
There are whites that bastardize hip hop, but there are blacks that do the same thing too.
I never knew that if u wore nice suits and attended meetings u are acting white
And I never knew if you wore baggy pants you are acting black, but that seems to be what people think. What Jay said in that interview says to me is if you aren't from the streets, don't act like you are. But he isn't from corprate America, so how the hell is he going to tell someone not to be a certain way? It doesn't make sense at all. It's a double standard.
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Background aint important? Well fuck it then, I'm gonna go perform open heart surgery then.
The way I see it, if it aint street shit it aint official. Even the party shit used to be street shit. Anything else is an imitation to me. But to each his own. It dont bother me like you think it does, thats just my pennies...
I don't understand what you mean when you say not being able to do something if you don't come from it. You say you shouldn't be in the NBA if you don't come from basketball, but if you are a fan and you buy all the merchandise and watch the games, are you saying you have no right playing the game at all?
Being a fan and purchasing mershandise does not mean you should be participating. Wether they do or not, I really dont give a fuck, but they shouldnt be surprised or offended when they get laughed outta town neither.
You say if it isn't from the streets it isn't official. I don't get that either. Going back to basket ball. Basket Ball was created by a Canadian White guy. Should American Black guys not be able to play it because they don't come from the origin. If they are good then they should be able to showcase their talent.
If you dont get why rap aint official if it aint from the streets, I dont think I got the patience to try to explain it. The heart of the streets is at the heart of rap. Its the essense. Eminem will tell you that. Paul Wall will tell you that. You take the streets away from rap, thats like takin the country out of country music.
You're acting like I said white kids should not participate and thats not what I said. I actually like some of the stuff that the beastie boys and mc serch's of the world have contibuted, but they were not acting like something they weren't or jumping on the bandwagon or just trying to get bitches or none of that type of shit.
I just hopeJay Z realizes that if it weren't for white people with no knowledge of hip hop or the street culture using their dollars and marketing techniques that Jay would still be selling drugs on a street corner.
Off top, jay z didnt say he dont want white people to rap. 2nd, can someone explain to me why everybody keeps bringing up this non-point about white kids buying rap? We all know this shit, but that dont mean that a gang of B-Rad's should be turnin rap into a joke. Fuck it though, it is what it is.
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If you dont get why rap aint official if it aint from the streets, I dont think I got the patience to try to explain it. The heart of the streets is at the heart of rap. Its the essense. Eminem will tell you that. Paul Wall will tell you that. You take the streets away from rap, thats like takin the country out of country music.
I couldnt've explained it better myself. Great analogy.
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Background aint important? Well fuck it then, I'm gonna go perform open heart surgery then.
The way I see it, if it aint street shit it aint official. Even the party shit used to be street shit. Anything else is an imitation to me. But to each his own. It dont bother me like you think it does, thats just my pennies...
I don't understand what you mean when you say not being able to do something if you don't come from it. You say you shouldn't be in the NBA if you don't come from basketball, but if you are a fan and you buy all the merchandise and watch the games, are you saying you have no right playing the game at all?
Here's what I said. I was talking about Basketball.
Being a fan and purchasing mershandise does not mean you should be participating. Wether they do or not, I really dont give a fuck, but they shouldnt be surprised or offended when they get laughed outta town neither.
Here's what you said. How am I putting words in your mouth. I almot got offended by your insults about Elvis and Berry towards me, but I rest at ease knowing you are an idiot who makes no sense. Learn to read fuck head.
You say if it isn't from the streets it isn't official. I don't get that either. Going back to basket ball. Basket Ball was created by a Canadian White guy. Should American Black guys not be able to play it because they don't come from the origin. If they are good then they should be able to showcase their talent.
If you dont get why rap aint official if it aint from the streets, I dont think I got the patience to try to explain it. The heart of the streets is at the heart of rap. Its the essense. Eminem will tell you that. Paul Wall will tell you that. You take the streets away from rap, thats like takin the country out of country music.
I'm not arguing that rap isn't from the streets now. I'm arguing why it has to be. Go back20 years and you'll hear major rappers claim that it has tobe from New York, and if it's not it's not real. The LA scene was hated on by New York. Now I understand saying something like you shouldn't act like your from the streets if you aren't, but if some white kid from Ohio wants to gt into music and use samples and a drum machine to make the track like Kraftwerk and Pink Floyd used to in thr late 60s early 70s, and then rhyme very fast over that track like Bob Dylan in the 60s or Aerosmith in the '70s, or even like Gilbert and Sullivan did in the 1890s, then I don't see how that would be a problem.
You're acting like I said white kids should not participate and thats not what I said. I actually like some of the stuff that the beastie boys and mc serch's of the world have contibuted, but they were not acting like something they weren't or jumping on the bandwagon or just trying to get bitches or none of that type of shit.
So by this token you don't like the majority of black rappers who pretend to be something just to make money. Dre was no gangster, he admitted so. Jay Z changes a bit everytime the scene changes. Just wondering if you are consistent.
Now look at Rick Rubin. He was a very big force in rap for a long time. He wasn't from the streets, and he's doneeverything from metal, to funk, to country, and he gets respected in each. Why should we have to label someone and stick them in that label for life.
I just hopeJay Z realizes that if it weren't for white people with no knowledge of hip hop or the street culture using their dollars and marketing techniques that Jay would still be selling drugs on a street corner.
Off top, jay z didnt say he dont want white people to rap. 2nd, can someone explain to me why everybody keeps bringing up this non-point about white kids buying rap? We all know this shit, but that dont mean that a gang of B-Rad's should be turnin rap into a joke. Fuck it though, it is what it is.
I was talking about White record execs, who know nothing about rap, pouring money into rap to make it commercial.
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I don't understand what you mean when you say not being able to do something if you don't come from it. You say you shouldn't be in the NBA if you don't come from basketball, but if you are a fan and you buy all the merchandise and watch the games, are you saying you have no right playing the game at all?
Here's what I said. I was talking about Basketball.
Being a fan and purchasing mershandise does not mean you should be participating. Wether they do or not, I really dont give a fuck, but they shouldnt be surprised or offended when they get laughed outta town neither.
Here's what you said. How am I putting words in your mouth. I almot got offended by your insults about Elvis and Berry towards me, but I rest at ease knowing you are an idiot who makes no sense. Learn to read fuck head.
Show me where that says that fans should not participate? How many time do I gotta say the same shit to get this through your thick inbred skull? All I said was buyin fan merchandise does NOT FUCKIN QUALIFY NOBODY TO DO SHIT. EMINEM IS A PISTONS FAN BUT THAT DONT MEAN HE SHOULD BE ON THE COURT WITH EM. Looks like you're the one that need to learn how to read.
You say if it isn't from the streets it isn't official. I don't get that either. Going back to basket ball. Basket Ball was created by a Canadian White guy. Should American Black guys not be able to play it because they don't come from the origin. If they are good then they should be able to showcase their talent.
If you dont get why rap aint official if it aint from the streets, I dont think I got the patience to try to explain it. The heart of the streets is at the heart of rap. Its the essense. Eminem will tell you that. Paul Wall will tell you that. You take the streets away from rap, thats like takin the country out of country music.
I'm not arguing that rap isn't from the streets now. I'm arguing why it has to be. quote]
It dont have to be but it aint official otherwise.
You're acting like I said white kids should not participate and thats not what I said. I actually like some of the stuff that the beastie boys and mc serch's of the world have contibuted, but they were not acting like something they weren't or jumping on the bandwagon or just trying to get bitches or none of that type of shit.
So by this token you don't like the majority of black rappers who pretend to be something just to make money. Dre was no gangster, he admitted so. Jay Z changes a bit everytime the scene changes. Just wondering if you are consistent.
Exactly. Who likes Dre for his raps anyway? And I never did like jay z but at least they are both from the streets, gangstas or not.
Now look at Rick Rubin. He was a very big force in rap for a long time. He wasn't from the streets, and he's doneeverything from metal, to funk, to country, and he gets respected in each. Why should we have to label someone and stick them in that label for life.[/b]
But he wasnt rappin and he damn sure never tried to act like he was from the hood.
I just hopeJay Z realizes that if it weren't for white people with no knowledge of hip hop or the street culture using their dollars and marketing techniques that Jay would still be selling drugs on a street corner.
Off top, jay z didnt say he dont want white people to rap. 2nd, can someone explain to me why everybody keeps bringing up this non-point about white kids buying rap? We all know this shit, but that dont mean that a gang of B-Rad's should be turnin rap into a joke. Fuck it though, it is what it is.
I was talking about White record execs, who know nothing about rap, pouring money into rap to make it commercial.
That still has nothing to do with the topic. So you're sayin rap dont need to be authentic anymore since white people are puttin money into it now? You just talkin out your ass at this point to save face, just ease up cuzzin, take a breath, smoke somethin. I know white people got good weed.
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And fuck elvis. he said all a black man can do for him is shine his shoes. Nevermind creating the artform that provided his lavish life of luxury.
And white kids WERE hearing Little Richard songs, but it just wasnt Little Richard singin em. Remember Pat Boone?
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Show me where Elvis said that. Elvis's chef wasa black lady and even after his death she had nothing but nice things to say about him. And Pat Boone may have sang Tutti Frutti, but Little Richard is still somewhat famous now. Most people wouldn't know Pat Boone from Carl Perkins.
You said that people that buy merchandise don't have the right to participate, and would get laughed at. How does someone get into something if they weren't a fan first? I'll bet 99% of the NBA were fans before they were players.
What makes you the judge of what is official?
Dre still acted like a thug at one point. Puffy likes to play business man and gangsta. Is the music they put out official. Dre dsold records largely because of his image back in the day. he was seen as a ruthless gangster who beat up talk show hosts and shot off guns.
Ludacris was born in a small town in Illinois.
That clown from the Neptunes was a skate boarder.
Explain to me why you have to be from the ghetto to be oficial hip hop.
Oh and by the way. I don't smoke, (or drink). I think it's stupid to pollute your body and mind that much, to the point where you can become dependent on those substances.
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You said that people that buy merchandise don't have the right to participate, and would get laughed at. How does someone get into something if they weren't a fan first?
For the last time, I never said fans shouldnt participate, I said that just because somebody buys some shit (cds) that does not make them a fuckin artist. "Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken."
What makes you the judge of what is official?
what makes you think some why boy (outsider) who dont even come from this shit has the right to question my credibility when its obvious that this shit is not something you have a very firm understanding of? you probably know your rock n roll history pretty well but you have displayed a fundamental lack of understanding of what this shit is about.
Dre still acted like a thug at one point.
So? I think that had more to do with the company he kept than it had to do with him trying to fit some image that a record company made up. Either way, he is still from the streets and makes street music. So what are you really trying to say here?
Puffy likes to play business man and gangsta. Is the music they put out official. Dre dsold records largely because of his image back in the day. he was seen as a ruthless gangster who beat up talk show hosts and shot off guns.
Off top , I dont got nothin to say about puff other than I admire his work ethic. And Dre did not sell records because of no image, he sold because he knows how to make records that appeal to large audiences.
Ludacris was born in a small town in Illinois.
Lots of people are born in lots of places, what does that even mean? UGK is from a small town is Texas. Does that mean they aint turf affiliated?
That clown from the Neptunes was a skate boarder.
So?
Explain to me why you have to be from the ghetto to be oficial hip hop.
Do your own homework.
Oh and by the way. I don't smoke, (or drink). I think it's stupid to pollute your body and mind that much, to the point where you can become dependent on those substances.
What does that got to do with anything? Was that ever a topic? You just felt the need to broadcast your square bearish ways?
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I like how you avoided the Elvis part, then answered most querstions with questions.
Whether you belive me or not, I'm from the streets. I grew up on hip hop. I'm no outsider. I simply grew up and grew out of what was a phase. I see thugs and gangsters as losers who can't make it in life and destroy themselves more than anyone else does. I just don't find rap as appealing as I did before I became a fan of all other kinds of music. I'm not a teenager anymore.
You can through all the racist remarks and prejuduces you want. You still haven't answered the question. Why does it have to be from the ghetto to be considered hip hop? Does it have to be from the Memphis to be considered Rock and Roll. Keith Urban is from Australia and he'sa very sucessful country singer in the US. Aerosmith was rapping on Walk This Way 11 years before Run DMC rapped with the same flow and lyrics. Why is what Steven Tyler did singing while what Run DMC did rapping? Because Run DMC are from the hood?
Was Eminem even really from the streets. He was from a trailer park and now it's become apparant that he lived a far better life then he likes to talk about when he moved in with his aunt and uncle. I guess he isn't official hip hop. Lil' John lived a lavish life way from the ghetto. Is he official?
If you think Dre's chronic would have sold the way it did if his image was that of a nerd who likes to read, or a holy man then you are mistaken. The music was catchy (unoriginal, but catchy), but the lyrics and subject matter had a lot to do with it. Look how much less he sold when he stopped pretending to be a gangster and how much more he sold when he started again. The point is a lot of guys bullshit their lives to look tougher than they are. These are the same kind of guys as the guys on the streets who go along wit the real gangsters sit back and watch while someone else does all the dirty work and then take credit. The real thugs don't mind because all the heat is off them. They almost encourage it. I know a guy who went to jail for being in on a murder that happened at my highschool about 9 years back. He didn't do a goddamn thing and went to jail for purgery and assault, but he still claims the murder and brags about getting off. Meanwhile the guy that really killed the guy never said a word about it and never got charged. He had no problem letting the guy run his mouth. I assume the same thing happens with rappers today. THe real gangsters they steal their stories from don't care because it separates them from the event.
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I like how you avoided the Elvis part, then answered most querstions with questions.
I didnt really care to address the elvis shit because its going farther off the topic than we need to. And I answered one questioon with a question because I dont believe you are in a position to question my credibility.
Whether you belive me or not, I'm from the streets. I grew up on hip hop. I'm no outsider. I simply grew up and grew out of what was a phase.
If it was a phase for you it probably just wasnt real for you from jump.
I see thugs and gangsters as losers who can't make it in life and destroy themselves more than anyone else does.
Thats great but when did somebody ask you how you felt about thugs and gangsters? Just because somebody is in the streets that dont mean they gotta be a thug. Im sayin rap should be the streets, not that it should all be gang/thug shit.
You can through all the racist remarks and prejuduces you want. You still haven't answered the question. Why does it have to be from the ghetto to be considered hip hop?
I answered this question already. As I said before, the heart of the streets is at the heart of rap. Takin the streets out of rap is like takin the country out of country music. Its like a muslim with no Allah. Its ham no burger type shit.
If you think Dre's chronic would have sold the way it did if his image was that of a nerd who likes to read, or a holy man then you are mistaken. The music was catchy (unoriginal, but catchy), but the lyrics and subject matter had a lot to do with it. Look how much less he sold when he stopped pretending to be a gangster and how much more he sold when he started again.
Anything you or I have to say about wether or not he would have sold as much with a different image is just speculation. You're probably right he wouldnt have sold like that at that particular point in time with a nerdy ass image but the world will never know. These days you got squares like pharrell and kanye goin multi platinum, but I dont think that means necesarrily that they wouldnt sell as much with a different image. As far as Dre sellin less when he started Aftermath I think that has a lot more to do with the fact that his music wasnt nearly as appealing musically as his previous shit, plus he deviated from the shit that people wanted to hear at that point in time. i doubt it has as much to do with his image as you would like to believe because he was still gettin major love in cali and probably more love in the east than he ever had before at that point.
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1) You didn't address Elvis because you have no factual evidence to base it on. And you are in no positon to question me credibility, if I am not in one to question yours. I asked a question to get an answer. You took it as some sort of insult. It shows your stupidity.
2) I consider childhood a phase that you are supposed to grow out of. Unfortunately some people never do.
3) As far as I'm concerned the "streets" and crime go hand in hand. Every time you hear about street cred you hear about a guy being from a gang or gang related. Why do rappers who are from bad areas diss each other for not being real? Because one considers the other not to be a gangster and calls him on it.
4) There is no ham in a hamburger. You can be from the city and sing country. They don't have a rule about that. If the music is good then that's all that matters. Talent counts more than credibility. It doesn't happen often because city folk rarely ever like country.
5) If you think image isn't a big part of selling records then you are mistaken. It shouldn't be, but it is and it always will be. Dre became famous, not because he stole music from the 70s and made it seem like he composed it, but because he was seen as a gangster. I'm not saying that the music had nothing to do with it. But image played a role.
Why did you avoid the Lil' John question?
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1. I really dont give a fuck about elvis, but I have heard that about him from more than a few sources, plus that shit has nothing to do with what we are talking about, you just dragged that here from the other thread.
2. Childhood? Who the fuck is talking about childhood? You said your love of rap was a phase, not childhood.
3. MC Hammer is from the streets, would you ever in your life consider him a gangster? How bout Nelly? How bout Wyclef? How bout Redman? How bout Cee Lo? How bout Raphael Saadiq?
4. Of course you can be from the city and sing country, but it wouldn't be official because the essence of it would be missing. It would not be authentic. Its like the difference between grape juice and grape kool aid.
5. I never said image has nothing to do with record sales, there you go putting words in my mouth again. I just think it doesnt have as much to do with it as you think it does.
6. Lil Jon is not a rapper.
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1. You brought it up and you can't prove it. Your fake sources are worthless.
2. I meant my streets phase, not my rap phase. I haven't grown out of rap, I just don't listen to it as much anymore.
3. I would consider everyone you named at leat gang related at one time. Hammer has changed not but he gets no love in streets and hasn't since his first album. Nelly, Clef, Cee Lo, and Saadiq aren't even considered rappers don't get the same respect Big, Pac, or Jay get. Red is definately gang related.
4. So now you're a country expert. David Allan Coe wasn't from the country and no one questions his authenticity. Shaniah Twain is from Canada and not from the prairies. She is one of country's biggest stars.
5. I wasn't putting words in your mouth. I said "if" you think.....
6. What would you call him? Just because he produces too doesn't mean he doesn't rap. And he puts on a strong street front.
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Its like the difference between grape juice and grape kool aid.
This sums the shit up perfectly, Turf Hitta earning his strips with this one. Shallow if you can't see why the streets are such an important part of Hip Hop then you don't understand the essence of the culture and really have no place commenting.
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Music has no colour.
It is heard through the ears, not seen with the eyes.
End of story.
I agree.
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Its like the difference between grape juice and grape kool aid.
This sums the shit up perfectly, Turf Hitta earning his strips with this one. Shallow if you can't see why the streets are such an important part of Hip Hop then you don't understand the essence of the culture and really have no place commenting.
I'm not denying the importance of the street culture in hip hop. Every other genre of music changes with who adopts it. The Blues weren't created in the city but a large Blues style and scene emerged from Chicago. It was alittle different from the southern Blues scene and the Louisiana blues scene, but it was still Blues. The street culture in New York is a lot different from the one in LA, why was it okay for LA to adopt hip hop and have a very different sound, but not okay for Idaho. Why was it okay for the South to adopt it. Ever been to Atlanta? It's hardly New York. What else you have to realize that that New York rappers would call non-New York rap second rate or not official.
Once again, ny opinoon stands the same as Chuck D's when it comes to what rap or hip hop is. It's the the next wave of Rock and Roll. First it was Rhythm and Blues, then Rockabilly, then Bristish Invasion, then Pshychodelic, then Folk rock, then Metal, then Punk (but metal re-emerged), then Grunge (which was basically a new punk), and now Hip Hop. Each of those musics took something from each of the ones before them and did something a little different. If the next wave of Rock and Roll comes from Idaho by white kids who rap while playing instruments or not, then it'll be the next wave of rock and roll. Whether Turf considers it official doesn't mean shit to me. Whether it's called hip hop doesn't matter either. Whatver emerges as the next attitude is the next wave of rock.
P.S. Is Bubba Sparxx official hip hop according to you guys?
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1. You brought it up and you can't prove it. Your fake sources are worthless.
2. I meant my streets phase, not my rap phase. I haven't grown out of rap, I just don't listen to it as much anymore.
3. I would consider everyone you named at leat gang related at one time. Hammer has changed not but he gets no love in streets and hasn't since his first album. Nelly, Clef, Cee Lo, and Saadiq aren't even considered rappers don't get the same respect Big, Pac, or Jay get. Red is definately gang related.
4. So now you're a country expert. David Allan Coe wasn't from the country and no one questions his authenticity. Shaniah Twain is from Canada and not from the prairies. She is one of country's biggest stars.
5. I wasn't putting words in your mouth. I said "if" you think.....
6. What would you call him? Just because he produces too doesn't mean he doesn't rap. And he puts on a strong street front.
1. There is a good possibility that I am wrong about elvis, but either way his music still sucked and i dont give no fuck about elvis so lets drop this shit.
2. So you're "from the streets," but it was just a "street phase." "You can leave the ghetto, but the ghetto wont leave you." LOL @ "streets phase."
3. The question wasnt about rappers. the question was are these people (who are from the streets) gangsters or thugs? And what exactly do you mean by gang related? Just knowing people in a gang, having family members in a gang? In that case you're right, damn near everybody on the turf is "gang related" but that dont mean we are all gangsters or thugs just because we know some.
4.You like to say irrelevant things. Why do you keep missing the point? Of course people who aint fromt he country can sing country and maybe a lot of people will like it, that is not the issue. And according to you, all you gotta do is have the right image to sell records anyway. The point is that it wont be authentic if country music comes from the city.
5. "If you think..." implies that I think that way or that I said that I think that way at some point.
6. Lil Jon is not a rapper OR street to me. He's more like a hype man who also produces.
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1. fine by me. and please say "I don't like his music". You have no authority to say it sucked.
2. It's called growing up. How old are you? 16? The "street" can leave you, like it left Malcom X, Tony Danza, or Bill Cosby. What I mean by that is acting like you are from the street when you reach adulthod is immature and stupid. Committing petty street crimes is immature and stupid. That is what being from the streets means to me and everyone else I know.
3. Gang related means you associate with gansters and socialize them while maybe getting in a little trouble. As opposed to be a full fledged gang member.
4. The point is that Coe is respected in the country community as authentic.
5. I wasn't trying to imply that. In fact I belive it was your own prejudice that you lead you to think that, but I will better explain in the future.
6. So what about Bubba?
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Its like the difference between grape juice and grape kool aid.
This sums the shit up perfectly, Turf Hitta earning his strips with this one. Shallow if you can't see why the streets are such an important part of Hip Hop then you don't understand the essence of the culture and really have no place commenting.
I'm not denying the importance of the street culture in hip hop. Every other genre of music changes with who adopts it. The Blues weren't created in the city but a large Blues style and scene emerged from Chicago. It was alittle different from the southern Blues scene and the Louisiana blues scene, but it was still Blues. The street culture in New York is a lot different from the one in LA, why was it okay for LA to adopt hip hop and have a very different sound, but not okay for Idaho. Why was it okay for the South to adopt it. Ever been to Atlanta? It's hardly New York. What else you have to realize that that New York rappers would call non-New York rap second rate or not official.
Once again, ny opinoon stands the same as Chuck D's when it comes to what rap or hip hop is. It's the the next wave of Rock and Roll. First it was Rhythm and Blues, then Rockabilly, then Bristish Invasion, then Pshychodelic, then Folk rock, then Metal, then Punk (but metal re-emerged), then Grunge (which was basically a new punk), and now Hip Hop. Each of those musics took something from each of the ones before them and did something a little different. If the next wave of Rock and Roll comes from Idaho by white kids who rap while playing instruments or not, then it'll be the next wave of rock and roll. Whether Turf considers it official doesn't mean shit to me. Whether it's called hip hop doesn't matter either. Whatver emerges as the next attitude is the next wave of rock.
P.S. Is Bubba Sparxx official hip hop according to you guys?
If thats the case then it won't be official, it will be a different genre all together just like Punk isn't Metal. The thing with HipHop is the purist mentality and refusal to adapt even within our own community let alone bringing in influence by those considered to be outsiders/spectators.
And to me Bubba Sparxx is a rapper not official HipHop.
P.S. Anything that is shoved down our thoarts enough can be the next wave of rock and roll.
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1. fine by me. and please say "I don't like his music". You have no authority to say it sucked.
2. It's called growing up. How old are you? 16? The "street" can leave you, like it left Malcom X, Tony Danza, or Bill Cosby. What I mean by that is acting like you are from the street when you reach adulthod is immature and stupid. Committing petty street crimes is immature and stupid. That is what being from the streets means to me and everyone else I know.
3. Gang related means you associate with gansters and socialize them while maybe getting in a little trouble. As opposed to be a full fledged gang member.
4. The point is that Coe is respected in the country community as authentic.
5. I wasn't trying to imply that. In fact I belive it was your own prejudice that you lead you to think that, but I will better explain in the future.
6. So what about Bubba?
1. blah blah blah
2. The streets will never leave a person who is really from the streets. You can change your ways but the streets will always be a contributing factor to who you are as a person. The streets never left Malocolm X. His experiences in the street were a major factor when it came to who he was. If it wasnt for the streets he would have never found Islam and would never have bettered himself through education in the way that he did.
3. Being gang related does not make you a gangster. Now on that note, there are millions of individuals who are from the streets who are not involved in gang/thug shit. There is more to life in the streets than just being involved in negative activities. Like Allen Iverson said, theres a lot of squares and dorks in the streets too. The streets can be just as diverse as far as the types of people you will encounter as any other side of town.
4. Whatever you say.
5. What are you talking about? My own prejudices led me to believe what?
6. no, bubba is a decent rapper at best, but he is not official to me.
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1. stop being ignorant.
2 and 3. So then what constitutes being street? You can't be official unless you're from the streets eventhough you can be from the streets and be just like someone not fromn the streets? Explain that to me. So can a dork from the streets make official hip hop?
5. I mean you just assume that I'm trying to antagonize you when I'm simply trying to get an answer.
6. Hey SGV why don't you come in here and argue with this guy about the authenticity of Bubba?
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Arguing for the sake of arguing is boring as fuck, this will be the last time address this shit. No need to respond unless getting a last word in is gonna make you feel like somebody.
1. Anything you got to say to me about elvis, you might as well tell it to your own asshole, then you can tell us what your asshole had to say about it once you get your head out of it.
2. What constitutes being street? I dont know, being from the fuckin streets maybe. People from the block will never be JUST like someone who aint because of the experience you get from living on the block. E 40 may not actually be no dope man, but I'll believe what he got to say about it before I believe what White Dawg (remember him) got to say about it. You do not have to be a criminal to be street or to experience street life. Its a common perception but its not the only thing out here. Is anybody gonna tell me that KRS One aint street just because he aint slangin crack and robbin people?
5. Asking a question? Putting words in my mouth is not asking a question. You kept implying that I said certain things and then youre arguing against shit that nobody even said.
6. LMAO "HELP ME SGV, COME SIDE GUARD FOR ME CAUSE I AINT GOT SHIT TO SAY!"
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You never actually told me how old you were kid. (probably because you're 15)
And I wasn't asking SGV's help, I was just trying to see if he goes out of his way to defend what you said like he does whenever I say something he disagrees with.
Just a quick thing about the streets. What I meant was if you are a "dork" as Iverson put it then you are one of the kids that never came outside to the block and never saw anything go down. In that case you may as well be from out of town. Of course you can see a lot of underhanded shit go down in different ways while living in a suburb or a smaller town. Of course that doesn't meran shit to me. An artist is an artist and talent is talent.
If a white guy from Idaho came to New York and battled all the top rappers in the scene and beat them, you think he'd be laughed at if he seriously possesed more talent? Laughed at by you maybe, but you are a noboady that no one gives a shit about.
Going back to your basketball analogy; if a guy with no background in ball picked it up and started playing and over the course of a few months became a great player and better than a lot of the NBA players, would he still have no place playing in the NBA?
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You know what, the shit is really simple.
Not every rapper is from the hood, the block, the ghetto, the inner city, whatever. Kanye West may not be "hood", but he's respected because he makes good music and he doesn't try to act hard. Beastie Boys is respected because they're just being themselves doing their own thing. Vanilla Ice is not respected because he tried to act like something he's not.
However if you were to eliminate that aspect from the culture, the hood, the street, were the hip hop coulture got its start in the first place then it's no longer hip hop, it then morphs into something else.
Shallow you used the country music example. I'm not an expert on country and yeah, I guess there are "non country" country music artists taht are popular, but the whole aspect of "country" still exists, doesn't it? In raggae, not every single raggae artist is from Jamaica or even has a Jamaican accent yet the Jamaican, flavor is still there, isn't it? If you were to take that element away, then it's no longer raggae, it turns into something else.
I think that's the point that is being made in this thread.
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You know what, the shit is really simple.
Not every rapper is from the hood, the block, the ghetto, the inner city, whatever. Kanye West may not be "hood", but he's respected because he makes good music and he doesn't try to act hard. Beastie Boys is respected because they're just being themselves doing their own thing. Vanilla Ice is not respected because he tried to act like something he's not.
However if you were to eliminate that aspect from the culture, the hood, the street, were the hip hop coulture got its start in the first place then it's no longer hip hop, it then morphs into something else.
Shallow you used the country music example. I'm not an expert on country and yeah, I guess there are "non country" country music artists taht are popular, but the whole aspect of "country" still exists, doesn't it? In raggae, not every single raggae artist is from Jamaica or even has a Jamaican accent yet the Jamaican, flavor is still there, isn't it? If you were to take that element away, then it's no longer raggae, it turns into something else.
I think that's the point that is being made in this thread.
I never said the hood aspect should eliminated or that hip hop can leave the streets. I just don't understand why you have to be from the streets to rap (according to Turf), and be accepted. If you are a good rapper then that should be the end of it. Like he said about basketball; if a guy who doesn't come from a ball background can still steal the ball off Iveson 9 times out of ten and sink shots then he should be given a spot because he's good enough.
I'm not arguing that white kids from the mid west should dress and talk like thugs and not be laughed at, or not be called fake. I don't have a problem with that, although I realize how fake the black rappers from the street can be as well. That's not the point though. The point is why should it be comical for a white guy from the mid west to rap, if he's genuinely good at it. That is what Turf was saying. He claims you aren't official and have no business rapping if you aren't from the streets.
Like you said about Reggae; it isn't Reggae if it doesn't sound like Reggae, but it can still be Reggae if it's not from Jamaica. That's exactly what I was saying about hip hop.
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Wow some of you guys are really ignorant.
Vanilla Ice is not respected because he tried to act like something he's not.
How was Vanilla trying to be some he wasn't? He made music to dance to, and from what I saw of his performances, that is what he did. He wasn't killing or robbing anybody on his CDs.
PS: That comment at the top wasn't directed at you.
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holy shit this thread is 5 pages! u guys are really sensitive about ur race
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holy shit this thread is 5 pages! u guys are really sensitive about ur race
I'm defending an ideal. I could be chinese and still be here in this thread. If a thread pops up about blacks not being work on wallstreet because the stock market is a white thing, I'd defend that too.
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You know what, the shit is really simple.
Not every rapper is from the hood, the block, the ghetto, the inner city, whatever. Kanye West may not be "hood", but he's respected because he makes good music and he doesn't try to act hard. Beastie Boys is respected because they're just being themselves doing their own thing. Vanilla Ice is not respected because he tried to act like something he's not.
However if you were to eliminate that aspect from the culture, the hood, the street, were the hip hop coulture got its start in the first place then it's no longer hip hop, it then morphs into something else.
Shallow you used the country music example. I'm not an expert on country and yeah, I guess there are "non country" country music artists taht are popular, but the whole aspect of "country" still exists, doesn't it? In raggae, not every single raggae artist is from Jamaica or even has a Jamaican accent yet the Jamaican, flavor is still there, isn't it? If you were to take that element away, then it's no longer raggae, it turns into something else.
I think that's the point that is being made in this thread.
I never said the hood aspect should eliminated or that hip hop can leave the streets. I just don't understand why you have to be from the streets to rap (according to Turf), and be accepted. If you are a good rapper then that should be the end of it. Like he said about basketball; if a guy who doesn't come from a ball background can still steal the ball off Iveson 9 times out of ten and sink shots then he should be given a spot because he's good enough.
I'm not arguing that white kids from the mid west should dress and talk like thugs and not be laughed at, or not be called fake. I don't have a problem with that, although I realize how fake the black rappers from the street can be as well. That's not the point though. The point is why should it be comical for a white guy from the mid west to rap, if he's genuinely good at it. That is what Turf was saying. He claims you aren't official and have no business rapping if you aren't from the streets.
Like you said about Reggae; it isn't Reggae if it doesn't sound like Reggae, but it can still be Reggae if it's not from Jamaica. That's exactly what I was saying about hip hop.
Fair enough. I pretty much agree with what you're saying there, it makes sense.
I don't think I ever said a rapper has to be black or from the streets in order to be real and respected. Look at Kanye West, who dropped one of the best albums of the year. He may not be from the streets, but he really caught the essence of hip hop in his last album, in his last album. I think De La Soul is from the suburbs, I'm not sure though. They made good music that was real and they didn't pretend to be something they're not. Look athe the Beasty Boys' 18 year run. It's just that if you eliminate the element the streets from hip hop, you're pretty much tearing the heart and soul out of the culture.
Anyway, I'm out.