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Title: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Real American on October 18, 2005, 06:59:52 PM
Who saw the footage on CNN, Fox News, etc from this past weekend. In Toledo, there was a march by a small group of Nazis who had come to protest crimes commited by black gangs against white people. Anyway, for some reason the blacks in the city began rrioting: attacking police officers, looting stores, burning down houses, etc. It was crazy.

Someone post the video footage......
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: BizzyR.I.P. on October 18, 2005, 07:09:18 PM
I wonder why they riotted ::)
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Real American on October 18, 2005, 07:13:07 PM
No one knows.
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Real American on October 18, 2005, 07:14:51 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,172477,00.html

Click on the video files on this page. They don't show the worst stuff, but you can get an idea. In one of the videos, you can see a bunch of black people surronding an ambulance and throwing rocks and bricks through its windows.
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: BizzyR.I.P. on October 18, 2005, 07:16:18 PM
They rioted because the Nazi's were allowed to protest, as in given permission.
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Real American on October 18, 2005, 07:23:57 PM
They rioted because the Nazi's were allowed to protest, as in given permission.

So why attack police officers and ambulances, and loot stores and set them on fire?

Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: eKardz on October 18, 2005, 07:26:07 PM
all that does is give those individuals in the riot a bad image and displays no lack of respect for authority or the community whether they were black white green anything.

i have many black friends.  i hate nazis.  they have the right to march.  however stupid it may seem, they have the right for a peaceful protest or march and have permits demonstrating that.  certain people, who were not pleased should have taken care of the situation in a more respectful and professional manner.  lighting businesses on fire and attacking municipal workers is not what should have went down, and its reasons like this that stereotypes are strong within certain communities.  the nazis won here, they didnt even have to protest and some blacks, im not saying all blacks, im sure this was a very minor precentage of the population in toledo, but the nazis won because look what happened.  this mass of people rioted and acted like assholes, and savages in their own community.  its terrible that they are given the right to march, but the nation of islam and farakkan can do the same thing.
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Ant on October 18, 2005, 07:27:09 PM
They rioted because the Nazi's were allowed to protest, as in given permission.

So why attack police officers and ambulances, and loot stores and set them on fire?



you're one of the dumbest people I've ever come in contact with.  what exactly do you do for a living? 
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Javier on October 18, 2005, 07:32:25 PM
There was going to be a counter and peacefull rally, but some idiot gangters decide to riot. 


Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: ωεεźγ ғ on October 18, 2005, 10:15:30 PM
They rioted because the Nazi's were allowed to protest, as in given permission.

So why attack police officers and ambulances, and loot stores and set them on fire?



you're one of the dumbest people I've ever come in contact with.  what exactly do you do for a living? 

LOL
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: TeeRaySix9Teen on October 18, 2005, 10:28:37 PM
Who saw the footage on CNN, Fox News, etc from this past weekend. In Toledo, there was a march by a small group of Nazis who had come to protest crimes commited by black gangs against white people. Anyway, for some reason the blacks in the city began rrioting: attacking police officers, looting stores, burning down houses, etc. It was crazy.

Someone post the video footage......


reminds me of some comedian i saw on tv once...

"Black people riot because of political injustices against them....White people riot when their favorite Hockey team wins..."
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: boycriedwolf619 on October 18, 2005, 10:30:28 PM
all that does is give those individuals in the riot a bad image and displays no lack of respect for authority or the community whether they were black white green anything.

i have many black friends.  i hate nazis.  they have the right to march.  however stupid it may seem, they have the right for a peaceful protest or march and have permits demonstrating that.  certain people, who were not pleased should have taken care of the situation in a more respectful and professional manner.  lighting businesses on fire and attacking municipal workers is not what should have went down, and its reasons like this that stereotypes are strong within certain communities.  the nazis won here, they didnt even have to protest and some blacks, im not saying all blacks, im sure this was a very minor precentage of the population in toledo, but the nazis won because look what happened.  this mass of people rioted and acted like assholes, and savages in their own community.  its terrible that they are given the right to march, but the nation of islam and farakkan can do the same thing.
u got a point there but at the same time i dont think correct me if im wrong but i dont think noi and farrakkan when protestin are say extreme out right racist shyt about whites like nazi foos say about blacks
They rioted because the Nazi's were allowed to protest, as in given permission.

So why attack police officers and ambulances, and loot stores and set them on fire?

i think black people are just fed up with the bullshyt. me personally im black dont think  shyt ever going to change especially the deep negative views the whole world has about the black race unless this whole world is destroyed and shyt starts from scratch  over again and that the only way.
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Don Jacob on October 18, 2005, 11:00:59 PM
all that does is give those individuals in the riot a bad image and displays no lack of respect for authority or the community whether they were black white green anything.

i have many black friends.  i hate nazis.  they have the right to march.  however stupid it may seem, they have the right for a peaceful protest or march and have permits demonstrating that.  certain people, who were not pleased should have taken care of the situation in a more respectful and professional manner.  lighting businesses on fire and attacking municipal workers is not what should have went down, and its reasons like this that stereotypes are strong within certain communities.  the nazis won here, they didnt even have to protest and some blacks, im not saying all blacks, im sure this was a very minor precentage of the population in toledo, but the nazis won because look what happened.  this mass of people rioted and acted like assholes, and savages in their own community.  its terrible that they are given the right to march, but the nation of islam and farakkan can do the same thing.
u got a point there but at the same time i dont think correct me if im wrong but i dont think noi and farrakkan when protestin are say extreme out right racist shyt about whites like nazi foos say about blacks
They rioted because the Nazi's were allowed to protest, as in given permission.

So why attack police officers and ambulances, and loot stores and set them on fire?

i think black people are just fed up with the bullshyt. me personally im black dont think  shyt ever going to change especially the deep negative views the whole world has about the black race unless this whole world is destroyed and shyt starts from scratch  over again and that the only way.

farrakkan did say he beleived that white people were created by a black scientist and are an inferior race on tv . i'm not 100% where he got that idea from but i have heard him say shit like that and other stuff that is equal to what the nazi's are sayin
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Sikotic™ on October 18, 2005, 11:18:51 PM
Those niggas shoulda ran up in your house too.
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: TeeRaySix9Teen on October 19, 2005, 02:01:15 AM
what people (assuming we count Cwalker as an actual person) dont understand is...this country has a past with every race within it. Its past with Black people is very...very negative. Black people over the decades have seen that when they speak...no one, including the government listens. So, normal human behavior would force you to create a new way to be heard. Yeah, it might sound crazy...but when youre not so narrow-minded as Cwalker you learn to see things from others perspectives. This wasnt a group of white people marching. It was a group of Nazi's. Very different thing. The whole idea of this organization is to hate other races, and in America the race they target the most would be Blacks. Sure, maybe the Black folks shouldnt have rioted the way they did. They should have beat the shit out of every one of those Nazi's to within an inch of their lives. Comparing Farrakhan to these fuckers is ridiculous. Yeah, he might have some prejudice views...i wouldnt argue that. But it is nowhere NEAR the same thing. His whole motivation isnt based on racism like these little pussy Nazi's are. Whats crazy is people like Jake who would compare the two. Youd be able to stand side by side with Farrakhan...he'd probably even shake your hand. The Nazi's would call you a stupid wetback and wish you were dead. I dont see how they are the same.
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: 7even on October 19, 2005, 06:30:43 AM
Comparing Farrakhan to these fuckers is ridiculous. Yeah, he might have some prejudice views...i wouldnt argue that. But it is nowhere NEAR the same thing. His whole motivation isnt based on racism like these little pussy Nazi's are. Whats crazy is people like Jake who would compare the two. Youd be able to stand side by side with Farrakhan...he'd probably even shake your hand. The Nazi's would call you a stupid wetback and wish you were dead. I dont see how they are the same.

you shouldnt downplay farrakhan like this.
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: ToOoOoN!!! on October 19, 2005, 07:15:07 AM
they sould have killed a couple a nazis  ;D

make a good action today,kill a nazi!
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Trauma-san on October 19, 2005, 07:34:34 AM
Nazi's have rights too... oh... wait, I forgot this is the new America.

Lemme tell you the awful little secret.  Liberals (who what, 90% of blacks ARE liberal democrats) believe in FREEDOM! They yell about it, gimme back what you owe me, I wanna be FREE! ... but they don't want YOU to be free. 

They don't want NAZI'S to be free, because they don't like the Nazi's.  They don't like Nazi's, because Nazi's are assholes.... so Nazi's shouldn't be free.  That's the same fucking mentality that started slavery, but these dumbasses out in the streets are too stupid to see that.  Literally.  They're fucking idiots.

Second, They don't attack the Nazi's, because the police protect them.  So instead, they burn buildings down, riot and bust up ambulances, and misdirect their anger, because they're incapable of having a rational discussion.

The Nazi's want these dumbasses to riot and act like fucking monkeys in the street, because then they can point at them and say "see, black people are inferior".  The black people in THIS mess rioting in the streets, were inferior in my opinion, because they got played by a bunch of fucking Nazi's. 

Remember, democrats want freedom for everyone... as long as you're not racist, conservative, or anything else they don't like. 
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: boycriedwolf619 on October 19, 2005, 11:33:04 AM
Remember, democrats want freedom for everyone... as long as you're not racist, conservative, or anything else they don't like.

Wow freedom for everyone as long as your not racist hmmmmmm damn u makin it seem like thats such a bad idea country w/o racism
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: J Bananas on October 19, 2005, 11:57:20 AM
What Trauma said...
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Javier on October 19, 2005, 12:37:49 PM
I dont get how this can turn into a democrat/republican debate.  There was a planned counter rally to the Nazi's doing their peaceful protest.  Just that some IDIOT GANGSTERS who probably do not even vote went all stupid and began to riot. 
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: 7even on October 19, 2005, 02:03:13 PM
Trauma killed this thread... even I can't make a better post, in this thread.
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Ant on October 19, 2005, 03:55:25 PM
Remember, democrats want freedom for everyone... as long as you're not racist, conservative, or anything else they don't like. 

You're an idiot.  How do democrats try to deny conservatives freedom?  No one is specifically targetting the freedom of conservatives.  You don't even know what the fuck a conservative is.  You just know what modern day republican pundits tell you conservatives are. 

It's not conservative to be pro-racism.  Real conservatives fought against racism a hundred years ago.  Modern day wanna-bes think its cool to diss black people cuz Limbaugh likes to do it. 

 

Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Trauma-san on October 19, 2005, 04:33:01 PM
Remember, democrats want freedom for everyone... as long as you're not racist, conservative, or anything else they don't like.

Wow freedom for everyone as long as your not racist hmmmmmm damn u makin it seem like thats such a bad idea country w/o racism

It's a fucking horrible idea.  If you're a racist, you have the right to be free to be a racist.  EVERYBODY should be free, not just the people you want to be free.  How is this hard to grasp? 
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Trauma-san on October 19, 2005, 04:35:44 PM
I dont get how this can turn into a democrat/republican debate.  There was a planned counter rally to the Nazi's doing their peaceful protest.  Just that some IDIOT GANGSTERS who probably do not even vote went all stupid and began to riot. 

They were black, right?  How do blacks vote?  90% Democrat.  Their reaction to the Nazi's is inline with their political beliefs.  Freedom for ME, no freedom for who I don't like.

In general, liberals are immature and don't have a grasp on concepts like freedom being for everyone, etc.  In America, it was the conservatives who abolished slavery, it was the southern democrats who had race problems linger on for decades and decades in the south.  Southern Democrats were the ones running around burning down churches, etc... it doesn't surprise me that you've got a group largely constructed of liberals running around denying Skin Heads and Nazi's their right to a protest. 
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: J Bananas on October 19, 2005, 04:37:23 PM
can we just leave it at a bunch of field niggas went crazy as usual and shit was bad? theres nothing relating to liberal/conservative ideals blah blah blah jus stop. Trauma had a reat point, even tho it didnt really have to do with the situation on the street. lets not turn this into a right left bitch fest.
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Javier on October 19, 2005, 04:46:42 PM
The Southernd Democrats switched political parties because they felt betrayed by the Democratic party and joined the Republican party during the Civil Rights era

Back then the region that you were apart of represented your ideas more than your political party, obviously today it is the other way around.
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Real American on October 19, 2005, 06:05:13 PM


you're one of the dumbest people I've ever come in contact with.  what exactly do you do for a living? 

I'm an accountant.
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Sikotic™ on October 19, 2005, 06:12:18 PM
I dont get how this can turn into a democrat/republican debate.

That helps people simplify and desensitize a very complex and difficult situation that goes back hundreds of years of frusteration, misunderstanding, and the tension from it. Fact of the matter is, none of this has anything to do with politics. You know it, I know it, cut the bullshit because it's ridiculous.

Oh and LMAO @ the fear Farrakhan puts in the hearts of people.
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Ant on October 19, 2005, 07:35:32 PM
I dont get how this can turn into a democrat/republican debate.  There was a planned counter rally to the Nazi's doing their peaceful protest.  Just that some IDIOT GANGSTERS who probably do not even vote went all stupid and began to riot. 

They were black, right?  How do blacks vote?  90% Democrat.  Their reaction to the Nazi's is inline with their political beliefs.  Freedom for ME, no freedom for who I don't like.

In general, liberals are immature and don't have a grasp on concepts like freedom being for everyone, etc.  In America, it was the conservatives who abolished slavery, it was the southern democrats who had race problems linger on for decades and decades in the south.  Southern Democrats were the ones running around burning down churches, etc... it doesn't surprise me that you've got a group largely constructed of liberals running around denying Skin Heads and Nazi's their right to a protest. 

You're an asshole.  Why the hell are you now fighting for the right to be racist?  It's really telling when you see people fighting for the rights of bigots.  You seem to have a closer affinity to nazis and KKK members than you do to America's black population, really odd for someone that is supposed appreciate hiphop music and culture.  Did you ever bother listening to tupac?  You're mind is missing so much common sense its a wonder your able to even make enough to put food on the table.  Really you deserve to get your ass beat.
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Ant on October 19, 2005, 07:39:58 PM


you're one of the dumbest people I've ever come in contact with.  what exactly do you do for a living? 

I'm an accountant.

I guess that makes sense. Accounting is a learned trade, all rules, and minimal thinking.  But I'm still not so sure, are you even a real accountant or just some office bitch? 



Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: J Bananas on October 19, 2005, 07:58:39 PM
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You're an asshole.  Why the hell are you now fighting for the right to be racist?  It's really telling when you see people fighting for the rights of bigots.  You seem to have a closer affinity to nazis and KKK members than you do to America's black population, really odd for someone that is supposed appreciate hiphop music and culture.  Did you ever bother listening to tupac?  You're mind is missing so much common sense its a wonder your able to even make enough to put food on the table.  Really you deserve to get your ass beat.

well dude, it is an asshole thing to say, but in America theres a lot of assholes and bullshit everyday that occurs with impunity and no reprocussions. Sure, racism is not admirable and can crush your feelings,but it is a human trait, and impossible to repress. What you call common sense I call the current state of things in mainstream culture, it can and will change overtime and the mainstream paradigm will inevitably change. There are enough people in power who recognize this (the smart ones) so that oppression of a way of thinking in a free society will not happen. Thats why groups like NOI, Black Panthers, various white supremacy groups, etc...are allowed to operate; because they are a natural rite for humans, reguardless of whether it fits with the modern standards of decency. The onyl reason you don't consider yourself worthy of an ass beating is because enough people agree with you that you can convince yourself you are right and righteous. Too bad you are an asshole, you want to deny a certain way of thinking from occuring in society, which is impossible. You're basically a liberal nazi, are you sure you're not a 40 year old dykeliving in Berkeley?
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Ant on October 19, 2005, 09:47:57 PM
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You're an asshole.  Why the hell are you now fighting for the right to be racist?  It's really telling when you see people fighting for the rights of bigots.  You seem to have a closer affinity to nazis and KKK members than you do to America's black population, really odd for someone that is supposed appreciate hiphop music and culture.  Did you ever bother listening to tupac?  You're mind is missing so much common sense its a wonder your able to even make enough to put food on the table.  Really you deserve to get your ass beat.

well dude, it is an asshole thing to say, but in America theres a lot of assholes and bullshit everyday that occurs with impunity and no reprocussions. Sure, racism is not admirable and can crush your feelings,but it is a human trait, and impossible to repress. What you call common sense I call the current state of things in mainstream culture, it can and will change overtime and the mainstream paradigm will inevitably change. There are enough people in power who recognize this (the smart ones) so that oppression of a way of thinking in a free society will not happen. Thats why groups like NOI, Black Panthers, various white supremacy groups, etc...are allowed to operate; because they are a natural rite for humans, reguardless of whether it fits with the modern standards of decency. The onyl reason you don't consider yourself worthy of an ass beating is because enough people agree with you that you can convince yourself you are right and righteous. Too bad you are an asshole, you want to deny a certain way of thinking from occuring in society, which is impossible. You're basically a liberal nazi, are you sure you're not a 40 year old dykeliving in Berkeley?

You're making a lot of assumptions.  There is a big difference between tolerating racism and being pro-racism.  I got black, white, vietnamese, hispanic, african friends, and also white racist friends.  I had a discussion the other day about racism in the workplace with a black friend and he got upset at me cuz I said I wouldn't fire someone for being racist.  So all this nonsense about me being this or that is really a bit ridiculous.

I called out Trauma, cuz a) trauma is stupid b) trauma an asshole and c) trauma is one of the biggest bigots on this board (tied for second with woodrow currently) and d) because Trauma is on here fighting for the rights of nazis after repeatedly bitching about liberal ideology being fucked to all hell (which i find a bit hypocritical). 

The point is, there is a huge difference between supporting individual freedoms and condoning the actions of groups like the nazis and the KKK.  We're not comparing apples to apples here.  There is a bit of a difference between the hippy that protests Bush at the whitehouse, and the KKK or nazi party.  Do I think we should punish everyone who has a racist thought or ideology? No. A large chunk of this country is racist in some way.  Even fuckin minorities are racist towards other minorities sometimes.  It's just human nature.  But there is a big difference between having racist prejudices and voicing support for a group that attempted to genocide an entire culture. 

Either way, in the future it would be helpful if you argued against positions i actually hold instead of fabricating my opinions and then telling me why my opinions, that you made up, are wrong. 
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: boycriedwolf619 on October 19, 2005, 10:25:42 PM
Remember, democrats want freedom for everyone... as long as you're not racist, conservative, or anything else they don't like.

Wow freedom for everyone as long as your not racist hmmmmmm damn u makin it seem like thats such a bad idea country w/o racism

It's a fucking horrible idea.  If you're a racist, you have the right to be free to be a racist.  EVERYBODY should be free, not just the people you want to be free.  How is this hard to grasp? 
u just prove how this world will never change. there should be no room for any type of negativity period u should not have the right to doanything if its for a negative cause period! u are making it seem like its okay to be a racist i dont care black white brown etc that goes for every race..
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Sikotic™ on October 19, 2005, 11:25:06 PM
Of course people should have the right to be racist and have hateful demonstrations. But for every action there's a reaction. So you can't really get upset when a bunch of people get angry and riot.
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: TeeRaySix9Teen on October 19, 2005, 11:33:40 PM
Someone post the video footage......

Bet this will be the last time you protest without your video camera huh??


Why do any of these retards who defend Nazi's come on a rap message board anyways? "Throw yah swastikas in the air...n wave em like you just dont care..." Sing it Cwalker!
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Real American on October 20, 2005, 03:21:11 PM

Why do any of these retards who defend Nazi's come on a rap message board anyways? "Throw yah swastikas in the air...n wave em like you just dont care..." Sing it Cwalker!

Who is defending the Nazis? I'm not. But you sure were defending the blacks who were burning down businesses, looting stores, and throwing rocks and bricks at innocent people.


You are a racist piece of shit.
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: TeeRaySix9Teen on October 20, 2005, 08:58:00 PM

Why do any of these retards who defend Nazi's come on a rap message board anyways? "Throw yah swastikas in the air...n wave em like you just dont care..." Sing it Cwalker!

Who is defending the Nazis? I'm not. But you sure were defending the blacks who were burning down businesses, looting stores, and throwing rocks and bricks at innocent people.


You are a racist piece of shit.


lol i dont agree with looting and burning down business and whatnot because of the protest. But i also dont agree with these Nazi bitches being able to protest. There is such a thing as a peaceful protest...which is fine. But these guys preach hate against other races...that is their SOLE reason for existence. And to let them parade around in front of others is only looking for trouble. Police would be all over a "protest" by a bunch of "gangbangers"...and gangbangers dont preach hate against every other race. But you do live in backwards ass Ohio. All that cousin fucking is bound to catch up to you eventually....
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Real American on October 21, 2005, 02:56:54 PM

But i also dont agree with these Nazi bitches being able to protest.

This is America, we have something called freedom of speech.

Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: 7even on October 21, 2005, 04:04:37 PM
you can hate nazis for protestin n shit.. but you cant hate the govt for allowing them to protest.. you can't say it's a free country, as soon as you forbid someone do to a protest because of his bad taste
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Teddy Roosevelt on October 21, 2005, 04:13:10 PM
you can hate nazis for protestin n shit.. but you cant hate the govt for allowing them to protest.. you can't say it's a free country, as soon as you forbid someone do to a protest because of his bad taste
Exactly. Its called free speech. You can't restrict it from some people and not from others. Thats how shit like dictatorship starts.
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Javier on October 21, 2005, 04:22:39 PM
I thought this was the point of the Patrioct Act?  Or it only applies when it's versus muslims extremists?
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Eihtball on October 21, 2005, 04:28:12 PM
OK, here's my take on this whole thing.  Let it be known that I generally consider myself a moderate who leans a bit to the left - even though I usually vote Democrat, there are times where I disagree enough with the party that I simply don't vote for them (which isn't to say that I vote Republican - I have yet to that since I started voting, and it'll probably remain that way).

First of all, hearing you people argue about the whole "liberal vs. conservative" thing is stupid - you're all products of the mass media which has for years perpetuated a misconception that "liberal" equals left-wing/socialist/Democrat and "conservative" = right-wing/neo-fascist/Republican, and both are perceived as "dirty words" by the other side.  The truth is a lot more complicated than this.  Since the 17th century, the term "liberal" has meant a proponent of capitalism and basic freedoms (such as human rights).  "Conservative" was not considered a political orientation - it was simply an adjective that meant adherence to earlier ways, whatever those were.  Almost all Democrats and Republicans are "liberals" in this sense - they believe in capitalism (though Republicans often like to insult Democrats by calling them "socialists") and freedom.  However, Republicans strive more for Libertarianism (essentially laissez-faire capitalism) because they believe that the Constitution is fine as-is and we should stick with it, and they fear that changing too much is going to lead us astray (they often point to the failure of the Roman Empire).  I can understand them, but I don't agree with them about 90% of the time.  Democrats are a bit more progressive and see this country as a work in progress - it's basically good and was founded with good goals in mind, but the world isn't the same way it was in the 18th century, and improvements are needed to keep things running smoothly.  So basically, despite how the media has perverted it, the tension between Democrats and Republicans is not a clash of "right-wing" vs. "left-wing" - it's simply matter of disagreement between "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and "we can always improve".  This is not to say that there aren't extremists on both sides, but they are the exceptions, not the rules.  If people would stop being so defensive and attacking each other over political matters, politics wouldn't so polarizing.

Furthermore, Cwalker (or Trauma or whoever) has been a dumbass this entire time - acting like he's so smart when he's really just buying into the same type of ignorance I've mentioned above.  His claim that Democrats (or "liberals") "suppress freedom" of people they don't like is partially true, but it is not something exclusive to Democrats.  Ever hung around on Republican or pro-gun message boards?  Many of them talk about the same shit - I regularly see them talk about how they think anti-war protests should be banned as "unpatriotic", and how the Million Mom March for gun control shouldn't be allowed, and how any Black Panthers/NOI marches (including the Million Man March) should be considered terrorist gatherings.  And of course, need I remind you that Republicans have typically been the biggest opponents of gangsta rap (as well as other genres, such as punk and heavy metal)?  The fact that they've succeeded in actually getting many rappers kicked off their labels and their albums banned is a perfect example of censorship, and that's quite reprehensible.  Point is, there are assholes on both sides who try to censor people they don't like - it is definitely NOT a Democrat or a Republican thing.

ANYWAY, since I've gotten that out of the way, here's my take on the whole Ohio thing.  I hate Nazis.  I think they're despicable motherfuckers and scumbags, and I wish they didn't exist.  But that's still wishful thinking - the fact is, they always will exist as long as there is ignorance in this world, and trying to ban their freedom of speech is just going to make them martyrs for their cause.  Ant's claim that they should be banned from protests simply because they're racists doesn't make any sense - there's a huge difference between having racist beliefs and acting on them.  As long as they're not engaging in violent racism (lynchings, shootings, burning black people at the crosses, whatever), I could care less if they want to be racist assholes.  I grew up in the South - I'm used to encountering people like that on a regular basis.  Therefore, I think that the rioting in Ohio was stupid and counter-productive.  I can understand being pissed off about them protesting, but attacking ambulances?  That's just fucking idiotic - as many people have said, doing that makes the Nazis look like they're right.

And don't tell me that there aren't plenty of racist black folks out there - in L.A. right now, there's a lot of gang violence between Latinos, blacks, and Asians that's racially motivated.  Look at the 1992 L.A. Riots - motherfuckers attacking the Korean and Jewish businesses out of pure jealousy.  Is it all understandable?  Absolutely, but that doesn't mean it should be condoned.  While I think black people do have a right to be pissed off about all the injustice that exists in this country (and it is something that needs to be dealt with), there are too many blacks who will use injustice as an excuse to act irresponsibly and hypocritically.  They're not interested in improving their communities or even their own lives - they're simply looking for a chance to snatch a TV to make a quick buck, simply because they think they can get away with it.  Furthermore, I'm sure you people have heard plenty of racist rap lyrics by now - ESPECIALLY by Ice Cube with all of his references to killing "crackers" and "devils" on record.  Just look through his albums at all of the racist songs he's made - "No Vaseline", "Black Korea", "Cave Bitch", "I Wanna Kill Sam", "Horny Lil Devil", "Enemy"...and that's just a few I can think of.  Not to mention the stuff he did with Da Lench Mob - that group put out a song called "Buck Tha Devil", for crissakes!  I've also heard racism in songs by Brand Nubian, Paris, Public Enemy, and a whole bunch of other rappers.  To me, it's ridiculous that they preach against racism and injustice and then turn around and do the same shit themselves.  So the big question to those of you who want the Nazis' right to protest banned is - do you think that these rappers should be banned for the racism in their lyrics?

So basically, that's my take on this whole debate.  I may have a specific political viewpoint, but I don't let it cloud my judgment the way some of you folks do.  Regardless of whether you consider yourself a Democrat or a Republican, you've gotta be willing to acknowledge that both sides do have plenty of ignorant assholes, and neither holds a monopoly on ignorance.
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Post by: Ant on October 21, 2005, 06:37:54 PM
Ant's claim that they should be banned from protests simply because they're racists doesn't make any sense - there's a huge difference between having racist beliefs and acting on them.

Where did I make that claim?
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Post by: Real American on October 22, 2005, 08:08:17 AM

Where did I make that claim?

Up above. You are the typical left winger that wants to censor and ban anyone who has a different opinion. 
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Post by: white Boy on October 22, 2005, 08:26:05 AM
trauma spits the truth
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Post by: Low Key on October 22, 2005, 09:10:19 AM
The fact of the matter is racism does offend people, but so does Michael Moore. You can't go around and put a gag on something just because you don't agree with it. Might as well be living in Cuba if that is the case. EVERYBODY has the right to demonstrate and protest as long as they keep it within the boundries and laws. If the Nazis were beating the shit out of the blacks, then it would be a hate crime and that is against the law. Just as the blacks going around, rioting and looting. Those actions themselves aren't hate crimes, but it's an unlawful protest against the Nazis. I don't like the fact that the Nazis were demonstrating, but this is America, and it is a land that is built on freedom.
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Post by: Ant on October 22, 2005, 10:36:15 AM

Where did I make that claim?

Up above. You are the typical left winger that wants to censor and ban anyone who has a different opinion. 

LOL. quote me then.  I said the opposite moron are you really that dumb?

Let me requote myself....

"Do I think we should punish everyone who has a racist thought or ideology? No. A large chunk of this country is racist in some way.  Even fuckin minorities are racist towards other minorities sometimes.  It's just human nature.  But there is a big difference between having racist prejudices and voicing support for a group that attempted to genocide an entire culture."

You're the dickheads coming on a hiphop message board choosing to defend the rights of nazis yet simultaneously attempting to denigrate the black population.  It's not that hard to grasp really.  I'm calling you an asshole for siding with nazis - I never called for a ban against nazi ideology.   Stop making shit up... if people wanna be Nazi's then thats their business... just because they have that freedom doesn't mean KKK and Nazi's can't be called assholes.  If you're in the KKK or call yourself a nazi, you're free to do so, but still an asshole in my book...

With that in mind, its disgusting to hear someone on this form align themself with the most racist demographic in America... that was my point... got it?  really dude, you and you're political brethren are the gayest motherfuckers on this board, hiding behind you're keyboards spouting bullshit all day... how many times are you gonna waste posts fabricating things I didn't even say to make yourself feel better?  You're a bitch and you need to recognize it, and the only reason u ever can get away with being such a bitch is cuz ur behind a computer screen.  keep that in mind.
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Post by: white Boy on October 22, 2005, 11:28:10 AM
^ its funny the way you state things, just like a politician. your basically twisting our words to make it seem that if we believe that in this FREE country were we have the right to FREE asembly and believe that all organazitions can FREELY do wat they gotta do as long as they aint hurting anyone, physically, if we beleive that, and say that Nazis should be allowed to have their assembly, then we sdie with the nazis. I am not racist and def not a nazi, but those nazis deserve to have the same freedom of speach and assembly as me and u, wether they will use it to spread their fucked up thoughts which i dont agree with. DOnt you get it, freedom of speach protects the kind of speach you dont like, not the kind you like. So quit callin people racist and nazis just cause they are protecting our freedom of speach.
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Post by: Javier on October 22, 2005, 12:35:07 PM
Im sure the government would punk a group of muslim extremists if they decide to have a peaceful protest. 
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Post by: Ant on October 22, 2005, 12:55:04 PM
^ its funny the way you state things, just like a politician. your basically twisting our words to make it seem that if we believe that in this FREE country were we have the right to FREE asembly and believe that all organazitions can FREELY do wat they gotta do as long as they aint hurting anyone, physically, if we beleive that, and say that Nazis should be allowed to have their assembly, then we sdie with the nazis. I am not racist and def not a nazi, but those nazis deserve to have the same freedom of speach and assembly as me and u, wether they will use it to spread their fucked up thoughts which i dont agree with. DOnt you get it, freedom of speach protects the kind of speach you dont like, not the kind you like. So quit callin people racist and nazis just cause they are protecting our freedom of speach.

What the fuck are you talking about... seriously, some of you should really be embarassed at the stupidity of your posts.  I don't even know who you are, but you're post makes you look like you're not even intelligent enough to read simple english. 
 
Let me requote yet again... "I'm calling you an asshole for siding with nazis - I never called for a ban against nazi ideology.   Stop making shit up... if people wanna be Nazi's then thats their business... just because they have that freedom doesn't mean KKK and Nazi's can't be called assholes."

So yeah, basically I've come across yet another jackass, that gets to sit behind a computer screen perpetually putting words in my mouth in a vain attempt to discredit what I've written.  Its really fuckni kinda humorous, because sure you can hide behind your keys and act like arrogant know-it-alls, but knowing that you and your gay friend have to put words in my mouth makes it quite obvious that you're both insecure lil bitches.  The nature of discourse on this board is beyond pathetic, when you idiots aren't using mindless insults as you're main form of argument, you have to fall back on making shit up.  It's humorous cuz at the end of the day, we both know that you're bullshit wouldn't fly in real life, but no worries, you got a screen in front of you so feel free to put more words in my mouth, or fall back on calling me names so you can maintain your cyber dignity even tho its quite obvoius you're an ignorant lil bitch and I don't doubt for a second that you recognize I speak the truth no matter how many times you try to pretend otherwise.  If you weren't ignorant lil bitches you'd give real opinions instead of making stuff up, but thats a rarity around here.   



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Post by: J Bananas on October 22, 2005, 01:06:20 PM
^^^
right...it's everybody else and not you. :'(
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: white Boy on October 22, 2005, 01:50:27 PM
^ its funny the way you state things, just like a politician. your basically twisting our words to make it seem that if we believe that in this FREE country were we have the right to FREE asembly and believe that all organazitions can FREELY do wat they gotta do as long as they aint hurting anyone, physically, if we beleive that, and say that Nazis should be allowed to have their assembly, then we sdie with the nazis. I am not racist and def not a nazi, but those nazis deserve to have the same freedom of speach and assembly as me and u, wether they will use it to spread their fucked up thoughts which i dont agree with. DOnt you get it, freedom of speach protects the kind of speach you dont like, not the kind you like. So quit callin people racist and nazis just cause they are protecting our freedom of speach.

What the fuck are you talking about... seriously, some of you should really be embarassed at the stupidity of your posts. I don't even know who you are, but you're post makes you look like you're not even intelligent enough to read simple english.
 
Let me requote yet again... "I'm calling you an asshole for siding with nazis - I never called for a ban against nazi ideology. Stop making shit up... if people wanna be Nazi's then thats their business... just because they have that freedom doesn't mean KKK and Nazi's can't be called assholes."

So yeah, basically I've come across yet another jackass, that gets to sit behind a computer screen perpetually putting words in my mouth in a vain attempt to discredit what I've written. Its really fuckni kinda humorous, because sure you can hide behind your keys and act like arrogant know-it-alls, but knowing that you and your gay friend have to put words in my mouth makes it quite obvious that you're both insecure lil bitches. The nature of discourse on this board is beyond pathetic, when you idiots aren't using mindless insults as you're main form of argument, you have to fall back on making shit up. It's humorous cuz at the end of the day, we both know that you're bullshit wouldn't fly in real life, but no worries, you got a screen in front of you so feel free to put more words in my mouth, or fall back on calling me names so you can maintain your cyber dignity even tho its quite obvoius you're an ignorant lil bitch and I don't doubt for a second that you recognize I speak the truth no matter how many times you try to pretend otherwise. If you weren't ignorant lil bitches you'd give real opinions instead of making stuff up, but thats a rarity around here.




nobody is siding with nazis, they are siding with the freedoms given to us in the constitution and the fact that those freedoms are given to EVERYONE.
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Post by: eKardz on October 22, 2005, 02:44:25 PM
who doesnt understand that everyone is free, which is why our country is great.

they have a NAACP for black college students.  there aint no white only college funds.  because that would be racist wouldnt it.
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Post by: boycriedwolf619 on October 22, 2005, 03:08:20 PM
who doesnt understand that everyone is free, which is why our country is great.

they have a NAACP for black college students.  there aint no white only college funds.  because that would be racist wouldnt it.
i dont think u understand how much white people have it some much better than other people. Its like why would u need such an organization for? You guys havnt even been thorough half of the shyt black people have faced over the years and still are facing cuz shyt aint ever goign to change. But i really i dont see why white people would need such a thing. maybe its just me
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Javier on October 22, 2005, 03:10:05 PM
I find it so fucking funny that nobody was saying that the American Nazi Party shouldnt be protesting. 


Everybody on this board agrees on this.

The Nazi Party had a right to protest
The Nazi's beliefs are a bit twisted
The ones who rioted in Ohio are fucking dumbasses





oh btw white people can take advantage of scholarships.  Every student can take advantage of scholarships u just gotta look around to see which one you can apply to
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Real American on October 22, 2005, 05:43:29 PM


nobody is siding with nazis, they are siding with the freedoms given to us in the constitution and the fact that those freedoms are given to EVERYONE.


That is beyond the comprehension of leftists like Ant. They think that freedom should only apply to people who think like them. Why do you think that the most oppressive and restrictive countries like China and Cuba are run by left wingers. If Ant had his wishes that is what America would be like.

By the way, Ant is getting thrashed in this thread.
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Post by: WestCoasta on October 22, 2005, 05:59:43 PM
the nazis won here, they didnt even have to protest and some blacks, im not saying all blacks, im sure this was a very minor precentage of the population in toledo, but the nazis won because look what happened.  this mass of people rioted and acted like assholes, and savages in their own community
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Javier on October 22, 2005, 06:54:33 PM
A lot of people really didnt understand what Ant stated.

This is what made people jump all crazy after Ant
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You're an asshole.  Why the hell are you now fighting for the right to be a racist?  It's really telling when you find people fighting for the rights to be bigots.  You seem to have a closer affinity to the nazis and KKK Members than you do to America's black population


Trauma was called an asshole because Ant believed that he was FIGHTING for the right to be a RACIST.  Unless Ant doesnt have the right to call Trauma an asshole, there is nothing in this statement that says he wants to ban the protest from the American Nazi party.

I guess since most of you guys viewed Ant as this liberal pest that u guys just wanted to jump on him right away.





And to Cwalker, STFU about China and Cuba...i dont even think we need to bring up examples of extreme right wingers do we? 


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Post by: Eihtball on October 22, 2005, 07:33:58 PM
That is beyond the comprehension of leftists like Ant. They think that freedom should only apply to people who think like them. Why do you think that the most oppressive and restrictive countries like China and Cuba are run by left wingers. If Ant had his wishes that is what America would be like.

By the way, Ant is getting thrashed in this thread.


First of all, I've said before that you're an idiot.  Anyone can throw out examples; whether or not you can put them in a context is what's relevent to a debate like this.  Yeah, there are bad left-wingers.  Big deal.  There are also right-wing countries that are oppressive.  You act as though there's a correlation between leftism and oppression vs. rightism and oppression, when there is none.  You're a stupid fucking kid who needs to stop reading GOA bullshit.

Second, why the fuck are you on a hip-hop site anyway?  Considering hip-hop has a history of embracing left-wing doctrine, how could you possibly listen to it seriously?
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Ant on October 22, 2005, 09:21:19 PM


nobody is siding with nazis, they are siding with the freedoms given to us in the constitution and the fact that those freedoms are given to EVERYONE.


That is beyond the comprehension of leftists like Ant. They think that freedom should only apply to people who think like them. Why do you think that the most oppressive and restrictive countries like China and Cuba are run by left wingers. If Ant had his wishes that is what America would be like.

By the way, Ant is getting thrashed in this thread.


lol, by who? a bunch of people who essentially argue with themselves.  No one said anything credible that refutes my position, and no one is going to in the near future.  Like I said, you can hide behind a computer screen all day and pretend to be an arrogant know-it-all, its easy, you just have to hit the keys and write whatever you want.  The screen hides you're emotions, lets you hide what you're really thinking, and gives you the leisure of continually writing entirely unrelated responses to my posts because the nature of online discourse makes it easy for you to throw an arguement off track in a pathetic attempt to save you're cyber dignity.

I know none of you idiots are ever gonna respond saying "Ant you're right" but I also know that every time I see you dumb fucks respond with immature insults, or respond by fabricating things I've never said you're essentially saying "Ant you'e right."  If you had the ability to refute me you'd all jump at the chance, but that doesn't happen for obvious reasons, and we both know it. Thats why you're still saying nonsensical bullshit like "Ant doesn't think everyone deserves freedom"  "Ant wishes the US was run by Castro." Its obvious you're just making shit up because I've never said things remotely close to that nonsense, and why do you have to still make stuff up?  Because its obvious that you don't possess the capacity to argue with me in a rational manner. So pretend all day, but we both know you're a bitch.
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Post by: J Bananas on October 23, 2005, 12:06:14 AM
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Considering hip-hop has a history of embracing left-wing doctrine, how could you possibly listen to it seriously?

go jerk off its also kinda ridiculous that european guys listen to west coast gangsta rap but look who started this shit. the idea that u need to follow a certain agenda to be down with hip hop is bullshit and i think everyone here has learned that firsthand by now.
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: TeeRaySix9Teen on October 23, 2005, 12:10:35 AM

But i also dont agree with these Nazi bitches being able to protest.

This is America, we have something called freedom of speech.



and you also cant yell "Fire" in a crowded movie theater...there are always limits to "freedom of speech". How fast do you think the police would break up a "protest" by a bunch of young black men in Beverly Hills? you and your Nazi friends dont deserve to live outside with the humans.
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: TeeRaySix9Teen on October 23, 2005, 12:15:46 AM
you can hate nazis for protestin n shit.. but you cant hate the govt for allowing them to protest.. you can't say it's a free country, as soon as you forbid someone do to a protest because of his bad taste

freedom of speech is one thing. but if roles were reversed...and this was a group of minorities preaching hate against white people...and a riot broke out. they would be accused of "inciting a riot". i agree, you should be able to think...even say anything you want. but i also agree that if your mom was dead, and i walked up to you and told you your mom was a stupid bitch, a slut, and its good that she's not alive anymore...you should have the right to knock me out. lol.
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Post by: 7even on October 23, 2005, 02:31:53 AM
you can hate nazis for protestin n shit.. but you cant hate the govt for allowing them to protest.. you can't say it's a free country, as soon as you forbid someone do to a protest because of his bad taste

freedom of speech is one thing. but if roles were reversed...and this was a group of minorities preaching hate against white people...and a riot broke out. they would be accused of "inciting a riot". i agree, you should be able to think...even say anything you want. but i also agree that if your mom was dead, and i walked up to you and told you your mom was a stupid bitch, a slut, and its good that she's not alive anymore...you should have the right to knock me out. lol.

technically yes, but it shouldnt get me off scott-free in court.
my attitude towards everything in general is: we are free, and freedom ends as soon as you harm the freedom of other ppl. which happens when you beat someone up or steal something from him etc. but not when you just have your opinon, no matter how ridiculous your state of mind might be. ppl have the right to be morons. you can tell them they're morons, but you shouldn't get physical as long as they don't. Im talkin about law stuff now, not streets stuff. of course on the streets when someone gets his ass clapped for sayin some stupid shit, I understand. but even though, in this case, the nazis played them rioters, like several people already said, because the nazis basically hold and promoted the belief that black people are monkeys, then there come black people acting like monkeys.. they got played pretty bad, which makes them the losers in law-related issues AND street-pride-related issues.


and about reversed issues.. I don't think I know what exactly would have happened, but what I do know is, if the protesters would have been handled differently, then the govt or whoever was responsible for forbidding them to protest would have been wrong.
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Post by: Eihtball on October 23, 2005, 07:37:31 AM
go jerk off its also kinda ridiculous that european guys listen to west coast gangsta rap but look who started this shit. the idea that u need to follow a certain agenda to be down with hip hop is bullshit and i think everyone here has learned that firsthand by now.

I never said you have to follow a certain agenda, just that I don't understand how anyone could possibly like music that preaches against their sensibilities.  I can't listen to Merle Haggard with all of his jingoistic, moralistic lyrics, and likewise, I don't expect his fans could listen to Public Enemy with their embrace of Muslim doctrine.  So yes, being a hip-hop conservative is basically oxymoronic to the extreme.
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Post by: Lincoln on October 23, 2005, 07:40:36 AM
go jerk off its also kinda ridiculous that european guys listen to west coast gangsta rap but look who started this shit. the idea that u need to follow a certain agenda to be down with hip hop is bullshit and i think everyone here has learned that firsthand by now.

I never said you have to follow a certain agenda, just that I don't understand how anyone could possibly like music that preaches against their sensibilities.  I can't listen to Merle Haggard with all of his jingoistic, moralistic lyrics, and likewise, I don't expect his fans could listen to Public Enemy with their embrace of Muslim doctrine.  So yes, being a hip-hop conservative is basically oxymoronic to the extreme.

You're an idiot. Music is music. Who cares if you agree with what they're saying?

By the way, I listen to both Merle Haggard and Public Enemy, often in the same day.
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Post by: 7even on October 23, 2005, 07:42:22 AM
Next thing: I can't listen to Pac because I "don't know about 'his struggle' ".
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: white Boy on October 23, 2005, 09:35:17 AM
I find it so fucking funny that nobody was saying that the American Nazi Party shouldnt be protesting.
who is to say they shouldnt be protesting.????
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Javier on October 23, 2005, 09:52:04 AM
All im saying is that some posters here assumed that the liberals wanted to ban the protest.  Which is completly not true
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Ant on October 23, 2005, 10:28:10 AM
All im saying is that some posters here assumed that the liberals wanted to ban the protest.  Which is completly not true

Thanks.  It really is sad it took this long to get to that point.  Really a lot of these guys like CWalker should be ashamed at themselves over this thread.  What does it say about the character and intelligence of this boards Cwalkers, when we find that it takes dozens of posts to settle a single issue which should have been obvious from the start?  No one said ban protesting, yet just a few posts up, after much discussion, Cwalker is still arguing about people wanting to ban protests, but even more disturbingly he's not alone making this baseless assertion. 

Either these guys a) can't read or b) are lil bitches and this whole discussion is a bullshit charade.  This isn't an oral conversation where there is a potential for hearsay and bad recollection.  It's a message board, if someone said something, you should be able to prove it, just scroll up and find a quote.  No one did that and for obvious reasons. 

So let's leave it at this... if you need to put words in someone's mouth to win an argument it's clear you've already lost, AND if you carry on to the extent witnessed in this thread I'd recommend you take a few moments to think about your character and try to figure out how to fix those innate flaws that are making you sound and act like a jackass.

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Post by: J Bananas on October 23, 2005, 05:47:31 PM
if youre so fucking intelligent ant be the bigger man and stop perpetuating this shit, you're constant remarks at the low levels of intelligence here compared to you are getting old and nobody takes u seriously when u come off like a whiny bitch. all legit points have been made already, c walker lock this shit please.
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Real American on October 23, 2005, 06:55:58 PM

and you also cant yell "Fire" in a crowded movie theater...there are always limits to "freedom of speech". How fast do you think the police would break up a "protest" by a bunch of young black men in Beverly Hills? you and your Nazi friends dont deserve to live outside with the humans.

Black people had a hate march a few weeks ago in Washington DC, so what are you talking about?
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Ant on October 23, 2005, 07:18:58 PM

and you also cant yell "Fire" in a crowded movie theater...there are always limits to "freedom of speech". How fast do you think the police would break up a "protest" by a bunch of young black men in Beverly Hills? you and your Nazi friends dont deserve to live outside with the humans.

Black people had a hate march a few weeks ago in Washington DC, so what are you talking about?

How is the million man march a hate march?
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: eKardz on October 23, 2005, 09:09:26 PM

and you also cant yell "Fire" in a crowded movie theater...there are always limits to "freedom of speech". How fast do you think the police would break up a "protest" by a bunch of young black men in Beverly Hills? you and your Nazi friends dont deserve to live outside with the humans.

Black people had a hate march a few weeks ago in Washington DC, so what are you talking about?

How is the million man march a hate march?

i think whites were allowed in that march too.  cwalker we all understand the freedom of speech, but you being a racist kind of puts a damper on your whole argument because its all biased and none of it is based on fact.  you sound like a jackass, hitler protege.  everything has been a knock on black people and there actions, when your just a hippicrite.  posting on a hip hop forum, hip hop which was created by black culture.  spread the argument of freedom of rights, not freedom of rasicm.
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Post by: eKardz on October 23, 2005, 09:13:20 PM
actually.  cwalker is marching through a hip hop community and being blatantly racist.
seems just like the nazis walkin through primarily black toledo
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Post by: Real American on October 24, 2005, 02:35:16 PM

How is the million man march a hate march?

Who organized and sponsored the Million Man March?

By the way, it is funny up above that you were complaining about people using insults instead of staying on topic. How many times have you called me names instead of address the subject at hand. Or get personal like attacking me foir being an accountant (as if that isnt a prominent, respected career). Just because you have no arguement doesn't mean you can resort to childish name calling and juvenille attacks. You never see me do that.
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Post by: Real American on October 24, 2005, 02:38:04 PM
actually.  cwalker is marching through a hip hop community and being blatantly racist.
seems just like the nazis walkin through primarily black toledo

Do you even know what the hell you are talking about? That area of Toledo had been a primarily Polish area until blacks started moving in and commiting lots of crime against the Polish residents. The Nazis were there protesting the attacks on white people.

There is nothing racist about me. I am 100% against any racial discrimination and believe all people should have equal rights. 
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Post by: Ant on October 24, 2005, 05:07:34 PM

How is the million man march a hate march?

Who organized and sponsored the Million Man March?

By the way, it is funny up above that you were complaining about people using insults instead of staying on topic. How many times have you called me names instead of address the subject at hand. Or get personal like attacking me foir being an accountant (as if that isnt a prominent, respected career). Just because you have no arguement doesn't mean you can resort to childish name calling and juvenille attacks. You never see me do that.

LOL. Me calling you ignorant, and bigotted isn't name calling.  You are an ignorant bigot.  You might argue it's unfair to call you a bitch, but IMO you are a bitch too.  You take advantage the nature of online discourse to throw a discussion off track whenever you start losing, and repeatedly tried to put words in my mouth to pretend like you were actually refuting me.  So yeah, you're a bitch.

Take this current post for example.  You got caught claiming bullshit, i.e. that the million man march is a hate march.  Then when you got called on it, you try to send the discussion in another direction. 

Anywayz, how is the Million Man March a hate march? Please explain.
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Post by: eKardz on October 24, 2005, 06:43:30 PM

Anywayz, how is the Million Man March a hate march? Please explain.

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Post by: Real American on October 24, 2005, 07:14:09 PM
As I asked above, but you guys conveniently chose to ignore:who organized the Million More March?
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Post by: Javier on October 24, 2005, 07:30:37 PM
Unity, Spiritual Values, Education, Economic Development, Political Power, Reparations, Prison Industrial Complex, Health, Artistic/ Cultural Development, Peace


Which of these ideas praise hate towards other races?
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Post by: Ant on October 24, 2005, 07:43:11 PM
As I asked above, but you guys conveniently chose to ignore:who organized the Million More March?

You don't answer a question with another question.  Seriously dude, quit playing games.  If you have a reason to call the Million Man March a hate march then by all means explain it.
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Post by: J Bananas on October 24, 2005, 10:21:43 PM
what does c walker care he's not even an American, he wishes he was sooo bad it hurts him when he confronts the fact he's just some two bit foriegner dazed by the American dream. what a sad sad boy.
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Post by: TeeRaySix9Teen on October 26, 2005, 02:30:50 AM

and you also cant yell "Fire" in a crowded movie theater...there are always limits to "freedom of speech". How fast do you think the police would break up a "protest" by a bunch of young black men in Beverly Hills? you and your Nazi friends dont deserve to live outside with the humans.

Black people had a hate march a few weeks ago in Washington DC, so what are you talking about?

wasnt exactly a "hate march" now was it? there isnt ONE minority organization with the history for hate that the Nazi's or KKK has in this country.  :stupid:
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Post by: TeeRaySix9Teen on October 26, 2005, 02:32:26 AM
actually.  cwalker is marching through a hip hop community and being blatantly racist.
seems just like the nazis walkin through primarily black toledo

Do you even know what the hell you are talking about? That area of Toledo had been a primarily Polish area until blacks started moving in and commiting lots of crime against the Polish residents. The Nazis were there protesting the attacks on white people.

There is nothing racist about me. I am 100% against any racial discrimination and believe all people should have equal rights. 

lol


arent you polish? i could have sworn i saw that on here before.
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Post by: Noname on October 26, 2005, 07:10:29 AM
As I asked above, but you guys conveniently chose to ignore:who organized the Million More March?

LOL its really funny reading your posts. The things you are preaching about black people, dont tell anything about black people they just show how stupid you are. Its so obvious that you are jealous for what ever reason.
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Post by: J @ M @ L on October 27, 2005, 01:23:11 AM
As I asked above, but you guys conveniently chose to ignore:who organized the Million More March?

LOL its really funny reading your posts. The things you are preaching about black people, dont tell anything about black people they just show how stupid you are. Its so obvious that you are jealous for what ever reason.

Here is why:

I don't really "measure up" to the black guys.
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Post by: Noname on October 27, 2005, 02:13:49 PM
As I asked above, but you guys conveniently chose to ignore:who organized the Million More March?

LOL its really funny reading your posts. The things you are preaching about black people, dont tell anything about black people they just show how stupid you are. Its so obvious that you are jealous for what ever reason.

Here is why:

I don't really "measure up" to the black guys.

LOL that was exactly what i was thinking. He has to put other people down to make himself feel better about himself. It just shows what a pathetic pussy he is.
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Post by: TeeRaySix9Teen on October 27, 2005, 11:20:26 PM
As I asked above, but you guys conveniently chose to ignore:who organized the Million More March?

LOL its really funny reading your posts. The things you are preaching about black people, dont tell anything about black people they just show how stupid you are. Its so obvious that you are jealous for what ever reason.

Here is why:

I don't really "measure up" to the black guys.

LOL that was exactly what i was thinking. He has to put other people down to make himself feel better about himself. It just shows what a pathetic pussy he is.

im tellin yah...i coulda sworn there was a post on here sayin he was Polish. i mean cmon...these are the same people who invented screen doors on submarines and ejection seats on helecopters...no wonder he's a moron.
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Post by: Real American on October 28, 2005, 06:13:14 PM

im tellin yah...i coulda sworn there was a post on here sayin he was Polish. i mean cmon...these are the same people who invented screen doors on submarines and ejection seats on helecopters...no wonder he's a moron.

Actually I am an American.

And how can a Mexican make fun of any other nationality? No offense dude, but you are a Mexican. Does anything else need to be said?
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Post by: Javier on October 28, 2005, 06:16:34 PM

im tellin yah...i coulda sworn there was a post on here sayin he was Polish. i mean cmon...these are the same people who invented screen doors on submarines and ejection seats on helecopters...no wonder he's a moron.

Actually I am an American.

And how can a Mexican make fun of any other nationality? No offense dude, but you are a Mexican. Does anything else need to be said?


And you still have the balls to say that you are not a racist? 
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Post by: Sikotic™ on October 28, 2005, 06:17:58 PM

im tellin yah...i coulda sworn there was a post on here sayin he was Polish. i mean cmon...these are the same people who invented screen doors on submarines and ejection seats on helecopters...no wonder he's a moron.

Actually I am an American.

And how can a Mexican make fun of any other nationality? No offense dude, but you are a Mexican. Does anything else need to be said?

Your thread is dead, son. Stop trying to resurrect it with weak ass shock tactics.
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Post by: Real American on October 28, 2005, 06:35:20 PM


And you still have the balls to say that you are not a racist? 

But calling Polish people dumb is OK, huh? I love how you chose to ignore what he said. Besides, all I said is that Mexicans have no right to bash another group. That is not racist.

You have to love the double standards on this board.....
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Real American on October 28, 2005, 06:36:15 PM

Your thread is dead, son. Stop trying to resurrect it with weak ass shock tactics.

I just responded to someone making racist comments. Butt out, dude.....
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Post by: Javier on October 28, 2005, 07:33:34 PM


And you still have the balls to say that you are not a racist? 

But calling Polish people dumb is OK, huh? I love how you chose to ignore what he said. Besides, all I said is that Mexicans have no right to bash another group. That is not racist.

You have to love the double standards on this board.....


No shit it was stupid.  But You are the one that have stated that u are not a racist.  dont dance around that shit. And if you think im ignoring shit, check out the DVD and Christians thing...u completely ignored when christains fucking  busted a riot against Muslims bac in 1997. 
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all I said is that Mexicans have no right to bash another group


The only possible way you can believe that is that if you think Mexicans are inferior and you thinking a whole population from a nation is inferior is fucking stupid and is racist. 
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Post by: Real American on October 28, 2005, 07:59:06 PM
No man you are the racist, not me. You think it is OK to call Polish people stupid, but not Mexicans.

What kind of racist double standard is that? You have been exposed, man.....
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Post by: Javier on October 28, 2005, 08:00:44 PM
No shit it was stupid.- Mr Pink


Please do not call me racist when you have no fucking proof.
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Post by: TeeRaySix9Teen on October 28, 2005, 10:11:54 PM

im tellin yah...i coulda sworn there was a post on here sayin he was Polish. i mean cmon...these are the same people who invented screen doors on submarines and ejection seats on helecopters...no wonder he's a moron.

Actually I am an American.

And how can a Mexican make fun of any other nationality? No offense dude, but you are a Mexican. Does anything else need to be said?

first, the Polish thing was a joke...and im pretty sure youre not "American". As for me...do your research, im not Mexican. Besides, Mexicans have EVERY right to call YOU stupid...no matter what race you are. I did that Polish shit to you on purpose. People always claim NOT to be racist...until they get angry, and their true feelings come out. Quit making posts only in order to disrespect other races...then, like a coward claim you arent racist. Just admit what you are...and quit bein such a pussy behind a computer screen.
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Post by: King Tech Quadafi on October 28, 2005, 10:59:43 PM

Your thread is dead, son. Stop trying to resurrect it with weak ass shock tactics.

I just responded to someone making racist comments. Butt out, dude.....


ahaha ha...."butt out dude".....Ritz over here is killin me...lol
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Post by: [sepehr] on October 29, 2005, 12:47:15 AM


And you still have the balls to say that you are not a racist? 

But calling Polish people dumb is OK, huh? I love how you chose to ignore what he said. Besides, all I said is that Mexicans have no right to bash another group. That is not racist.

You have to love the double standards on this board.....

Wow, if you actually think that saying " And how can a Mexican make fun of any other nationality? No offense dude, but you are a Mexican. Does anything else need to be said?" isnt racist, then you my friend are a moron, and I understand why everyone hates you so much
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Post by: [sepehr] on October 29, 2005, 12:47:43 AM
Oh, and change your username, it has nothing to do with polish people
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Post by: Sikotic™ on October 29, 2005, 02:15:14 AM

Your thread is dead, son. Stop trying to resurrect it with weak ass shock tactics.

I just responded to someone making racist comments. Butt out, dude.....

Don't puss out on what you said. At least man up to it.

LOL @ telling me to butt out on a message board.
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Post by: Ant on October 29, 2005, 02:41:31 PM

im tellin yah...i coulda sworn there was a post on here sayin he was Polish. i mean cmon...these are the same people who invented screen doors on submarines and ejection seats on helecopters...no wonder he's a moron.

Actually I am an American.

And how can a Mexican make fun of any other nationality? No offense dude, but you are a Mexican. Does anything else need to be said?

LOL now you want to respond to posts that are way off topic... Stop being a bitch and respond to the original discussion.  You said the Million Man March is a hate march.  I'm still waiting on your explanation.
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Sikotic™ on October 29, 2005, 02:48:52 PM
CWalker turned on the TV, saw a million black men walking in Washington, and probably thought the world was ending.
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Real American on October 29, 2005, 05:47:08 PM

LOL now you want to respond to posts that are way off topic... Stop being a bitch and respond to the original discussion.  You said the Million Man March is a hate march.  I'm still waiting on your explanation.

Who organized and sponsored the Million More March?

When you answer that question, you will answer your own question.
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Post by: Ant on October 30, 2005, 12:53:25 PM

LOL now you want to respond to posts that are way off topic... Stop being a bitch and respond to the original discussion.  You said the Million Man March is a hate march.  I'm still waiting on your explanation.

Who organized and sponsored the Million More March?

When you answer that question, you will answer your own question.

You want a make a statement, then you outline the explanation cuz I'm not doing your work for you.  This is juvenile. Seriously, if you're gonna try to make a point then stop taking advantage of your computer screen to dodge substantive debate.  Everytime you get stuck you try to change subjects and given that online discussions don't occur in real-time you make a simple discussion over one statement take weeks, when you could have responded directly in one post.  Obviously your just hoping to drag small discussion out so long that no one even cares about your answer anymore.   

Look at yourself in this thread.  How many posts did you waste putting words in my mouth?  What did that accomplish?  Nothing.  Now you make another bullshit claim to deflect the orginal discussion, and I call you on it, and you waste a few more posts deflecting.  You obviously take the time to come on here, read, and post.  So why not write a real response instead of acting like a lil bitch? I don't even know why you respond to me, its clear you don't care to have a real discussion.  All your doing on this is acting like an immature bigot by wasting my time and yours repeatedly writing responses that are either off topic, nonsensical, or a complete waste of time.  You could have settled this one point almost a week ago, but you've refused to.  Really you should be ashamed. 
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Post by: Real American on October 30, 2005, 07:09:57 PM
Maybe you need to re-read some of your own posts, Ant. In this thread you have resorted to namecalling by calling me a bitch, brought up what I do for a living, then made  personal attacks against my job after you found out what I do. it sounds to me like you are the one who avoids the subject at hand and takes the discussion to a more juvenille level. You don't see me name calling or making personal attacks do you?

Now Ant, as usual you conveniently chose to ignore my quesation. So I will ask again: who sponsored and organized the Milllion More March? Please don't dodge the question or resort to namecalling this time.
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Post by: Javier on October 30, 2005, 08:27:11 PM
Oh Man.

The American Nazi Party has a peaceful protest.

Cwalker's response 'hey they have a right'.  Ok Fine but u never mention that it was a hate march


Louis Farrakhan organizes a million man march that brings up these issues
Unity
Spirituall Values
Eduaction
Economic Development
Political Power
Repreations
Prison Industrial Complex
Health
Cultural Development
Peace


And your response.  It's a hate march.


BRILLIANT!
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Post by: Wicked977 on October 30, 2005, 10:43:16 PM
Whos dissing Mexicans  >:(








 :bandit:
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Sikotic™ on October 30, 2005, 11:29:59 PM
Oh Man.

The American Nazi Party has a peaceful protest.

Cwalker's response 'hey they have a right'.  Ok Fine but u never mention that it was a hate march


Louis Farrakhan organizes a million man march that brings up these issues
Unity
Spirituall Values
Eduaction
Economic Development
Political Power
Repreations
Prison Industrial Complex
Health
Cultural Development
Peace


And your response.  It's a hate march.


PWNED!
Title: Re: The blacks here in Ohio rioted again.......
Post by: Ant on October 31, 2005, 02:39:28 PM
Maybe you need to re-read some of your own posts, Ant. In this thread you have resorted to namecalling by calling me a bitch, brought up what I do for a living, then made  personal attacks against my job after you found out what I do. it sounds to me like you are the one who avoids the subject at hand and takes the discussion to a more juvenille level. You don't see me name calling or making personal attacks do you?

Now Ant, as usual you conveniently chose to ignore my quesation. So I will ask again: who sponsored and organized the Milllion More March? Please don't dodge the question or resort to namecalling this time.

Wow this is really pathetic dude.

1. I call you names because your posts are so ignorant and immature thats silly trying to talk to you in a mature manner.  If you were able to stop being arrogant bigot I wouldn't be so inclined to call you names, but as it stands you are one of the top bigots on dubcc.  Either you or Trauma take top prize and I tend to think your even worse than he is.

2. You just wasted yet another post talking about nothing instead of trying to address the topic at hand. 

It's really not that hard dude.  I've known who organized this thing the whole time.  I had a few friends that went to it even.  But I'm sick of playing your bullshit games.  If you want a make a real argument why the million man march is a hate march by all means do so.  You think you're the bigger man, then go ahead and prove it.  Right now its obvious that alll you're doing is trying to shift the discussion somewhere else.