West Coast Connection Forum
Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: djlocskeet on October 25, 2005, 01:39:20 PM
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Read this shit on cnn.com today. Another brother gone if Arnold the Terminator doesn't give him clemency.
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theres already a thread about this in the train of thought section
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Damn, he done a lot to turn his life around and give back to the kids.
He smoked three other gangsters so what fuck em they knew what the was in.
Im gonna read up on his two books 'Life in prison' and 'Blue rage and Black redemption'. the others books he did are for kids but those two should be powerful.
Monster kody wrote he used to kick it with him when he was a youth all Tookie had in his house was weights everywhere.
I wonder if 'crips' like Snoop n Dub-C will do tribute songs for him...
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ahh well
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I wonder if 'crips' like Snoop n Dub-C will do tribute songs for him...
most crips of now adays dont know or don't care who he is, plus he was from hoover so most crip niggaz aint gonna show no love to lur
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I wonder if 'crips' like Snoop n Dub-C will do tribute songs for him...
most crips of now adays dont know or don't care who he is, plus he was from hoover so most crip niggaz aint gonna show no love to lur
Thats a shame after all that money the likes of snoop n dub made from crip walking in videos.
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wanst there a movie based on his life starring jammie fox??
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wanst there a movie based on his life starring jammie fox??
yep. Some sort of tv drama apparently.
Heres the real O.G Tookie from back in the day (http://img.iskon.hr/kl/2005/03/25/0002003v.jpg)
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There was no Hoover then he was the Westside Crips general.
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Tookie interviews :
Stanley Williams co-founded the Los Angeles street organization, the Crips, in 1971 at the age of 17. Eager to get him off the streets, the Los Angeles Police Department charged Stan with four murders. Stan has always maintained his innocence. His conviction was based on circumstantial evidence and the testimony of several witnesses who were felony offenders testifying in order to lessen their sentences. In 1981, Stan was convicted and sent to San Quentin�s death row.
Stanley Williams (center) is surrounded by (l-r) Barbara Becnel, Duane Moody, Minister Farrakhan, and Minister Tony Muhammad.
From death row, Stan embarked on a journey of redemption. He decided to break away from the Crips and speak out against gang violence. He wrote a series of children�s books that discouraged gang activity. He also set up the Internet Project For Street Peace, which encourages gangs to end their fighting. A combination of his many efforts earned him several Nobel Peace Prize nominations.
An appeal has been sent to the Supreme Court. If it is rejected an execution date can be set as early as this summer. An increasing movement continues to work to stay that order against his life and end the unjust application of the death penalty in American courts.
Win the battle with the beast within self
Greetings to all of you. My name is Stanley? Tookie� Williams. I have been residing here on San Quentin�s death row for over 24 years. Indeed, it is an honor to speak to this noteworthy audience today, not with a �holier than thou� sermon, but with a viable message that promotes transition and redemption.
Admittedly back in the day, I used to be my own worst enemy. Oft times, I engaged in personal battles of turmoil. I didn�t know that to restore order with any conflict, be it internal or external, it begins with me.
Being incarcerated, akin to a caged animal, I inevitably had to challenge my existence with this simple self-analysis: Am I a man or a beast? It wasn�t until I was in solitary confinement during 1988 to 1994 when I was able to answer that question.
Gradually, my transformation began to develop through the disciplines of serious soul searching, education, spiritual cultivation, edification and redemption. It was during that critical phase when I discovered my humanity.
Henceforth, I chose the path of inflexible resistance, meaning I refused to allow the animalistic prison conditions, anyone or anything to define who I am. That�s when I knew I was not a beast.
For over a decade, I have developed an understanding that I�ve written and I�m obligated to share with all of you. The legitimacy of war is not with man. The nemesis is the enemy within oneself.
To conquer this personal demon brings life. To be defeated by it evokes death. Those who shy away from this life-altering battle will remain locked in mere conflicts with other men that have no true purpose or spiritual worth.
If a man must fight, let it be to the death against the beast within himself. Win that battle, no man, no woman, no racial hatred, no system, no vindictiveness and no Machiavellianism can ever defeat you.
Today, and forever more, I can honestly say to all of you and to the world that the war within me is over. I�ve battled my demons and I was triumphant.
Without trying to sound preachy, each of you possess the innate ability to transcend these prison walls by virtue of your own positive message to your loved ones in society and/or in prison. Teach them how to avoid our destructive footsteps. Teach them to strive for higher education. Teach them to promote peace and teach them to focus on rebuilding the neighborhoods that you, others and I helped to destroy. As men of honor and integrity, it is our responsibilty to reach out.
In conclusion, may all of you achieve your goals and reclaim your freedom. Moreover, I want to thank Minister Louis Farrakhan and Mr. Roderick Hickman for making this opportunity possible.
Bumani�That�s Swahili for �peace.�
Embrace the science of a social agenda
Greetings to all of you. Before I begin, let us pause for a brief moment of silence for those who have lost their loved ones to senseless violence.
Thank you.
Indeed, this is an honor for me to speak to all of you. My name is Stanley �Tookie� Williams. I have been residing on San Quentin�s death row for over 24 years. I also have the undesirable identity for being the cofounder of the Crips, which today is a genocidal legacy I regret.
Across this nation, countless Black youth and adults are ending up in juvenile halls, youth authorities, prisons and/or being murdered, due to drugs, gangs, crime and violence. Clearly, we, Black folks, have become our own worst enemy. To live nowadays is the greatest challenge you will ever have to face in life.
I say to all of you that we are going backwards, not forwards. Each time we initiate Black-on-Black brutallity, Black-on-Black crime, Black-on-Black drug sales and usage, and other anti-Black acts, we are going backwards and perpetuating our own extinction. It�s time to come anew.
My Brothers, there�s no disguising the social problems. We can no longer allow ourselves to remain victims of the negative conditions. Just as there is a science to boxing, playing basketball, rapping skills, computer technology and parenthood, there is a scientific approach to our problem.
To legitimately survive in this country, we must embrace the science of a social agenda, meaning a plan that will promote better access for all of us to an education, honest employment, health care, affordable housing and spiritual growth; a social agenda that won�t cause harm or death to another Black person.
Such an agenda can be initiated by any one of you.Take a page out of my peace protocol. Learn how to establish community meetings by contacting community leaders, parents, church leaders, local businesses, youth and adult centers, local politicians and other interested parties. Get in touch with local rappers, entertainers, professional athletes and other entrepreneurs-turned-multimillionaires to discuss their participation in helping promote social change. That, my Brothers, is social power.
With that in mind, I call on all of you to unite your thoughts, energy and fortitude on a new battlefield. Therefore, I, Stanley �Tookie� Williams, challenge each of you to stand up against this long war of crime, violence and drugs, to proclaim a new and visionary struggle.
I challenge each of you to discard your anger for wisdom, and to shed the skin of vengeance for peace. I can�t do this alone nor can anyone else. We need all of you.
In conclusion, may all of you develop a united front to address the social dilemmas within your community and across this country. I also want to thank Minister Louis Farrakhan for making this opportunity possible, and other persons. I thank you, my brother.
May the Almighty bless us all.
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There was no Hoover then he was the Westside Crips general.
tookie from hoover
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Fry him....
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Snoop didnt make money from crip walking.
He's not a dancer.
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i drove by san Q. this weekend.. that sux for him.. 4snitches ratted him out now he gonna die, if he innocent sux .. sux both ways.. cuz he was ratted out ....
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i always thought the death penalty was a bad idea
i mean the govt is punishiing theses ppl for murdering others and as a punishment they go ahead and murder them.
i understand that its a way to show that what the consequences r for such hatred crime but its just too "eye for an eye"
and i also learned in my psychology class that the death penalty doesnt even work. forgot the specifics but the murder rate doesnt change or some shit in the states wit death penaltys and shit
and the sad case wit this is that this guy has turned his life around. well i guess onli God can judge
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the govt. is all fuk up.. some ppl who are convicted of murder are free after few yrs. or they plea insanity or get 10yrs then they free.. or some other crap..
im not for the d.penalty..
the rapers..child molesters those are the 1 should be kill once they commit the crime before they go to court those ppl get a less of a sentence .
guy rapes a 10yr girl n few others get what 4yrs
guy shoots some1 who broke into their house and die gets life these are examples that happen over time
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^ Yeah, but this guy doesn't fit either of those scenarios. This is a guy who murdered (at least) 4 people.
Seems like he's turned his life around and turned into a much bigger man than he was before all this mess.
You know, sometimes things just aren't fair, there's no solution to the problem. Sometimes small choices we make in our lives, with short term benefits give us long term repercussions... and you end up with shit that just isn't fair, but there's no answer to it.
For instance, a woman hooks up with the wrong guy one night, gets pregnant, and basically gets her life ruined because she has a kid. No matter how great of a person she turns into, and no matter how many good choices she makes from there on out, she's still in a bad place because of one little choice she made.
So maybe this guy is just one of the coolest people walking the planet right now, and maybe he's a better man, now, than you or I... but because of a few bad decisions he made years ago, he's going to be murdered by the government. That's not fair, but neither would the alternative be fair.
When someone kills someone, there's no justice to be had, period. You can't say it's not just to murder them, because it wouldn't be just no matter what you did. If you let this guy out of prison, what's that say for the 4 people he murdered? If you let the guy rot in prison, how is that any different? There isn't a right choice in this situation, and the law believes that murdering people for some offenses is a deterrant to others. So that's what's going to happen.
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I say just let the guy live and give him life...
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Here's what I would do. If it was up to me, which it isn't. I'd murder him, as agreed in the court ruling 25 years ago. IF, however, he could get the immediate family members of all 4 people he murdered to plea for his life, I'd grant him a permanent waiver. If one family member wanted his head though, I'd do it.
Listen the only people this motherfucker matters to right now is himself, his family, and the families of the people he killed. He seems like a really good guy now, so I would give him the option of petitioning the immediate families of those 4 for mercy. By immediate family, I mean either the spouse, or the parent of the person he murdered. If he could get signed statements requesting his life spared, I'd do it.
It doesn't make a bit of difference to anybody else in the world whether he lives or dies, and of course we know his family wants him alive. The only people who have any right to overturn or request the judge's ruling of the death penalty to be overturned are him (which I'm sure he's appealed through the court system, and been denied), and the families involved.
His freedom is out of the question, because that would make it the business of the people of California, or the people of the world whether or not they wanted a killer walking amongst them. Locked up, though, it doesn't make any difference to the people of California if he stays locked up, or is murdered as agreed upon. He's already exhausted his requests for leniancy, so the only other option he has is for the people's families to plead for his life.
That's the only fair way I can see for him to get out of the death penalty. Even then it would take a personal appeal to the governor.
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^^^great suggestion on a possible way for him to get a second chance at life
i just hope that he gets that second chance cuz we all deserve it.
i still remember this story from a black man in south africa who raped and murdered this gurl and i think was sentenced for life but the mother forgave the man and iunno how but he was released and now the two of them, the mother of the murdered gurl and the murderer, are doin like seminars and talks in schools and shit bout forgiveness, getttin a second chance at life and how blacks and whites can live together in the rainbow nation that is south africa.
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^rape and murder? WOW talking about forgiveness.
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If you rape or murder someone, you shouldn't be released, period. You totally misunderstood my post. You have to think about who's affected.
If someone rapes or murders someone, they've just shown that they can't live in society and act right. You can't risk another rape or murder by letting them back out on the street... no matter who forgives them.
You can spare their life from the death penalty, though... because it wouldn't affect anyone whether they live or die. There's absolutely no way you can let them free, though.
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^^^great suggestion on a possible way for him to get a second chance at life
i just hope that he gets that second chance cuz we all deserve it.
i still remember this story from a black man in south africa who raped and murdered this gurl and i think was sentenced for life but the mother forgave the man and iunno how but he was released and now the two of them, the mother of the murdered gurl and the murderer, are doin like seminars and talks in schools and shit bout forgiveness, getttin a second chance at life and how blacks and whites can live together in the rainbow nation that is south africa.
Maybe the fucking mother hated the girl? I mean how would you know? He got released cause the mother forgave him? LOL. Like the mother was the one to make such a dicision.
I hate it when people act like children were the property of their parents btw.
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there was witness that said he did it .. only tookie knows.. if he didnt do it thats fuk up but this guy is not the only who been thru this last year same thing or 2 years ago.. but if he did do it .. and the family let the guy live the rest of his life in prison let him if they wish for him to be punish which the state of california gave him the death p. let him sit thru it..
i know person not personally but he killed 4 ppl mid 80s and getting out think sometime this decade..
but we cant make the choice to free him or not its the govt. we can only state our decision..
ppl that committed rape should face the death p.. their mind is all fuk up . not saying murderers are not at right or that they should of committed crime ..just rapers hold their victim at will and they live their life knowing they got rape..
I Want my Donation back... great response
prisoners that get put to death doesnt really matter .... they save us tax payers money...
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murder is murder...pay the price. He really needs to worry about the judgement from God.
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As nice as he may be ,,,,that is one fucked up legacy home boy is gonna leave....minorites all over north america bang colours
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http://www.savetookie.org/
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Rip cuzz,Southside87kitchen locz will miss ya.
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Sad Story
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As nice as he may be ,,,,that is one fucked up legacy home boy is gonna leave....minorites all over north america bang colours
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I feel for the guy because he turned his life around, but when you do the crime you gotta do the time and whatever sentence is handed to ya. God have mercy on him.
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I oppose the death penalty under any circumstances, but I'm a little skeptical about Tookie having found "redemption", and I do think he's pretty much been digging his own grave (literally) by refusing to take responsibility for the murders. If he had just admitted he was the killer (and had done so years before his appeals were winding down), he's sound more credible, but as it is right now, I have trouble believing he's sincere. Although the trial does seem suspect to me (the prosecutor made racist remarks and dismissed black jurors - he had two murder convictions overturned just a few years after Tookie was sentenced for the exact same reason).
And besides, regardless of whether or not Tookie is sincere, he does have a great deal of influence and he has been using it to form truces between Crips and Bloods sets. Personally, if he is granted clemency, I'd like to see him work on the truce between the Rollin' 60s' and '83 Gangsters - that's the biggest gang rivalry in L.A. right now, and ending it would be instrumental towards finalizing peace. It's rather ironic to me that most of the people calling for his execution don't seem to appreciate that he may actually be able to save more lives than he's ever taken.
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System is rawer than amuthafucka!!they can do what the fuck they want with brothas ,and sisters.....I only options are to RUN!!...cause we know white history.we where never part of the plane anyway(LYNC WILL)...I would plead the 5th to,every fucking time....hell the nigga was gonna burn any way.they just wanted to here him admit the shit.
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They just want brothers and sisters to die mainly because they ain't fit to this country. Pisses me off. >:(
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Interesting thread...Props to Predator for posting those interviews... I want to read more about him finding redemption and changing his life... so did he convert to Islam in prison?